White House proposes pay increase for federal workers

posted at 1:50 pm on January 6, 2012 by Tina Korbe

The “pay freeze” on federal workers has always been a bit of a misnomer; throughout the freeze, workers have still been eligible for step increases and (rightly) increased pay for promotions. But, today, the White House officially ended the freeze with the announcement of a slight pay increased for federal government employees. Ed O’Keefe reports:

The White House will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees as part of its 2013 budget proposal, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the plans.

The modest cost of living increase in federal compensation would be the first pay jump for federal workers since before President Obama ordered a two-year freeze in late 2010.

The proposal, which requires congressional approval, differs from Republican plans supported by lawmakers and presidential candidates that would freeze federal compensation for at least one more year. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have called for extending the pay freeze as a way to pay for a payroll tax extension.

The increase is somewhat of a compromise position — less than the 3.6 percent cost of living adjustment that went into effect for Social Security and other benefits to keep pace with inflation and less than the 2.1 percent average increase in private-sector earnings in 2011. Still, the decision to bump federal pay is yet another move to pander to potential voters (that would be those federal workers!). Any increase is more than we can afford for two reasons. In the first place, Congress continues to debate the payroll tax cut extension (still a bad policy) — and paying for that cut with tax hikes elsewhere is counterproductive, so Republicans have suggested paying for it by continuing the federal pay freeze. Obviously, this increase alters that possibility. In the second place, federal workers are already highly overpaid. The Heritage Foundation’s James Sherk offers a helpful list of facts to anchor this debate:

  • The average federal employee earns 57 percent greater cash pay and 85 percent greater total compensation (which includes benefits) than the average private-sector worker.
  • This is an apples-to-oranges comparison because federal employees have more education and experience than private-sector workers.
  • Controlling for observable skills and characteristics allows economists to make an apples-to-apples comparison between private-sector and federal employees.
  • Doing so shows that the federal pay system gives the average federal employee hourly cash earnings 22 percent above the average private worker’s.
  • Including benefits raises the average compensation disparity to between 30 and 40 percent.
  • Federal workers receive automatic seniority-based raises irrespective of performance. President Obama’s suspension of the annual cost-of-living adjustment does not affect these raises.
  • Despite these average pay differences, many federal employees are not overpaid. The General Schedule does not connect pay with performance. Many of the hardest-working and most highly skilled federal employees receive at or below market compensation.
In light of those stats, it’s easy to see that if the White House or Congress want to tinker with federal pay, they ought to do it in a more comprehensive fashion that brings pay in line with performance — and renders the entire system more affordable for taxpayers.

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Good evening delightful Jackie!! How goes it with you?

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM
You are referring to the fiscal cliff. Quite a big difference than the sequester.

Barred on February 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Again.

Barred on February 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Sleep Walk -Santo And Johnny ( 1959)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Miss Jackie….

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

War is Peach.

Ignorance is Strength.

Increases are [draconian] Cuts.

Amnesty is Earnesty.

VorDaj on February 26, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Criminals are free

Bayam is still dumb.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Good evening, Spritely One! I’m much improved after a nights rest and a hot bubble bath, thank you! :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Beautiful!!

Not even I can write such a lovely poem :-)

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

obama is the master beta.

VorDaj on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Click on her blog. Pretty impressive.

a capella on February 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM

I’ve read a lot of it and tweeted it out to all my followers down there at my name. I get big responses on her abortion stuff.

JPeterman on February 26, 2013 at 11:15 PM

And she has good taste in music… ;)

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Tis a shame really, that none of us here will have the pleasure of watching the agony you suffer when reality finally arrives

And what reality is that, the one you hear from Wall Street experts, Bloomberg, or the one that makes you shake in anger, delivered by daytime radio entertainers?

No reason to raise the debt ceiling then.

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:23 PM

If you believe that the federal budget should be immediately balanced, during a weak recovery, yes. Yes the deficit’s strong downward trajectory remains highly dependent upon continued economic growth.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Evening all.

I was out a good part of the day. When I read today’s highlights I was how in the heck can so much chit happen in one day with those idiots in D.C. but was totally appalled when I heard the AZ sheriff say that Nappy and Immigration never even bothered to call them and let them know they were letting criminals out in their neighborhoods.

And we are even at sequestration yet.

CoffeeLover on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Evening Jackie

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

The State run media has killed the America most of us have known…

d1carter on February 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Good evening d1carter.

JPeterman on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

“He is a world-class bulls*** artist,” a Senate aide said in response to Obama’s speech today.

Uh, please tell me they are NOT just now realizing this.

SouthernGent on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Good evening, Ken. Dance the next slow dance with me? :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

The IBD article was written in reference to the fiscal cliff, but it’s no less relevant to the sequester. The main point is that the deficit is already falling rapidly (a fact you’ll never hear on right wing radio) and immediate cuts in spending in today’s weak economy risks slowing GDP growth.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Thanks. That is great to know.

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

When will the pain be felt in Washington DC?

And what form will this pain take?

williamg on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

and immediate cuts in spending in today’s weak economy risks slowing GDP growth.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:20 PM

LOL. The feral government borrows and spends over 8% of GDP and then turns around and crows about 2% of GDP “growth”, which even if it were real GDP growth would be nothing to crow about, especially coming out of a recession (if we ever come out of it)? ROFLMAO! I guess I should go borrow a million dollars so I can claim that I just made a million dollars. Too funny. And none of that even includes the trillions of dollars that are printed and subsidized through artificially (and insanely) low interest rates. If a house is worth $300,000 at a mortgage rate of 3.75%, what do you think it would be worth at a more normal rate of 7%? LOL.

You’re not too swift, are you?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

And what reality is that, the one you hear from Wall Street experts, Bloomberg, or the one that makes you shake in anger, delivered by daytime radio entertainers?

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

The one from the CBO numbnuts

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Thanks, Scrumps.

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Good evening, my friend. Always a pleasure to see you. I hope you’re well. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I’ve checked the websites of Reuters, abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, and no mention of Obama’s little criminal release move. Pillars of treason.

Jackalope on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM

You’re an idiot.

And a liar.

But then, you’re an obot……

Solaratov on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

http://youtu.be/pVmra6tPTYU

cry

fred

jrsrigmvr on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Hey, can someone in the know help me out? We have not had a budget for four years and I believe have been running on what is called a Continued Resolution instead. I thought Congress had to spend the same amount of money as what they continued? So how is it that it that the amount just gets bigger and bigger each year?

Cindy Munford on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

“He is a world-class bulls*** artist,” a Senate aide said in response to Obama’s speech today.

Uh, please tell me they are NOT just now realizing this.

SouthernGent on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

The problem is I’ve known and liked BS artists. This fkr is the artist for velvet paintings. Tacky, loud and wrong.

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

When will the pain be felt in Washington DC?

And what form will this pain take?

williamg on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

I honestly and sincerly hope it comes in the form of politicans+Stout Hemp Rope+Streetlamps, (Batteries not included, your mileage may vary, and some assembly required)

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Exclusively for bayam

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

The IBD article was written in reference to the fiscal cliff, but it’s no less relevant to the sequester. The main point is that the deficit is already falling rapidly (a fact you’ll never hear on right wing radio) and immediate cuts in spending in today’s weak economy risks slowing GDP growth.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:20 PM

If you read the comments, it only references 2010 as the latest year and that much of the decrease (eg. 1.4 trillion to 1.2 trillion) is due to the ineffective Stimulus spending of 2009 slowing to an end.

sentinelrules on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Sleep Walk – Santo and Johnny ( extended version)

I found this… let’s listen to it together. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Your heart is like some icy lake
On whose cold brink I stand
Oh buckle on my spirit’s skate
And lead me living saint the way
To where the ice is thin
That it may break beneath my feet
And let a lover in!

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Well said, Arnold! Great imagery, too. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Oh yeah, bayam, and what are these immediate cuts that are taking place on March 1?

Apart from your brain cell count going from 3 to 2.

sentinelrules on February 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Since I am surprise at the lack of whining about the gas prices, it’s hard for me to believe that the effects of the sequester will even be noticed.

Cindy Munford on February 26, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

I like it. Did you do that just now?

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

JPeterman on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

*clink*…LOL.

d1carter on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Hi Coffee JP Arnie POP WG VD!

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Well done, well written, Spritely One!

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Hey, can someone in the know help me out? We have not had a budget for four years and I believe have been running on what is called a Continued Resolution instead. I thought Congress had to spend the same amount of money as what they continued? So how is it that it that the amount just gets bigger and bigger each year?

Cindy Munford on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

When the media are finished consuming Obama’s caca they’ll get back to you.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

well done Scrumpy…kudos

CoffeeLover on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

No, somthing I wrote a long time ago :-)

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Gonna put somthing together now tho :-)

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

When the media are finished consuming Obama’s caca they’ll get back to you.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

So, not until a republican is elected President again eh?

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

When the media are finished consuming Obama’s caca they’ll get back to you.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

omg LOL too true though. Well said.

CoffeeLover on February 26, 2013 at 11:35 PM

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I’m well-intended :)

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Cool. I wrote mine on a notepad tonight so I didn’t lose it. I was almost done with another one last night and never came close after I lost it.

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:37 PM

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Blushing…

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Moonlight Serenade – Santo and Johnny

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:38 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

So, the deficit is down? That’s a fact?

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Cool. I wrote mine on a notepad tonight so I didn’t lose it. I was almost done with another one last night and never came close after I lost it.

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I told you to get the firefox addon Lazarus, it will solve that problem. ;p

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

“He is a world-class bulls*** artist,” a Senate aide said in response to Obama’s speech today.

No he’s not, he’s less than a second rate one. He’s not fooling anyone that has two functioning brain cells to rub together. It’s doesn’t take ‘world-class’ effort to fool functionally moronic imbeciles.

Midas on February 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:38 PM

:)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

I’m going to. I was on my iphone though.

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Excellent, my friend. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

The government borrows and spends over 8% of GDP and then turns around and crows about 2% of GDP “growth”, which even if it were real GDP growth would be nothing to crow about, especially coming out of a recession

You’re not too swift, are you?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

It’s meaningless to throw out numbers without any context, at least in any serious discussion about economic policy.
You failed to address the larger point that the deficit is falling at a rate that’s historic and impressive by any measure.

http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/112012-634082-federal-deficit-falling-fastest-since-world-war-ii.htm

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I’m well-intended :)

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Personally, I aim to misbehave… Unfortunately, as I continue getting older, my eyesight aint what it used to be and my aim aint so good anymore either… o_O

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Come Back To Me – Orbison

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2013 at 11:29 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

You butt munching imbecile, even you can’t be so stupid as to not understand how incredibly moronic it makes you look to argue math…. With a professional Mathematician…

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

As long as you’re well, and you’re having a good time, Walker, live it up! :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I said “well-intended” not well-behaved :)

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

The deficit is falling, yet we keep borrowing at an obscene rate.

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Walk On – Orbison

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Personally, I aim to misbehave…

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Opps. Looks like I will have to invoke Marshall Law and arrest you for aiming a deadly misbehaver at people.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

bayam said the deficit is lower due to the ‘grand’ economic recovery, then complained about the slow recovery.

It’s been snapsed all day, the poor thing. See the criminals released thread for more idiocy.

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Running Scared Live

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

and immediate cuts in spending in today’s weak economy risks slowing GDP growth.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:20 PM

What GDP growth?

VorDaj on February 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Opps. Looks like I will have to invoke Marshall Law and arrest you for aiming a deadly misbehaver at people.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Oh come on Sheriff Taylor, you aren’t gonna take my one bullet away again are you… ;p

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Where did everybody go?

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:48 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

So, the deficit is down? That’s a fact?

Rusty Allen on February 26, 2013 at 11:39 PM

You’ll never hear about the historically falling federal deficit on right wing radio (it won’t help ratings) but it’s an irrefutable fact.

The IBD article was written in reference to the fiscal cliff, but it’s no less relevant to the sequester. The main point is that the deficit is already falling rapidly (a fact you’ll never hear on right wing radio) and immediate cuts in spending in today’s weak economy risks slowing GDP growth.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:20 PM

If you read the comments, it only references 2010 as the latest year and that much of the decrease (eg. 1.4 trillion to 1.2 trillion) is due to the ineffective Stimulus spending of 2009 slowing to an end.

sentinelrules on February 26, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Most estimates forecast the deficit to fall to about 3.5% of GDP by 2014, but only if the economy remains on track. You can cut spending, but there are many precedents for lower spending that’s accompanied by higher deficits (read Richard Koo in Barrons).

I’m not saying that spending it’s a huge problem. It is. But the problem is entitlement programs, not the type of cuts about to become reality.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Buy ammo.

wolly4321 on February 26, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Already have plenty – but still buying more when I find it at ‘reasonable’ prices. :)

Midas on February 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Just for bayam, you hypocritical weasels

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I said “well-intended” not well-behaved :)

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Well I-ntended to misbeave too, but like I said, my aim aint so good as it used to be… ;p

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Sleep Walk -Santo And Johnny ( 1959)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

You might think I’m just a pig, and that’s overall true. But anyway I’ve been working on a time machine and am fixin to finish up. You ready to be co-test pilot? Yes, the mrs is ok w/it. It’s a time machine van. We can all go.

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Ok, who likes snard?

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Remarkable. It just seemed to flow from him effortlessly. What a talent. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

You’ll never hear about the historically falling federal deficit on right wing radio (it won’t help ratings) but it’s an irrefutable fact.

Mmmm, no – it’s OMB/CBO estimates (based on the trumpeting sites I’ve seen and accompanying BS charts – hey, they’re simply reporting what OMB/CBO said) – which we know categorically are not ‘fact’; they are estimates that are crafted using a specific set of prescribed parameters and assumptions (eg: double-counting revenues, counting as ‘savings’ monies that weren’t ever going to be spent anyway, etc).

You’re more gullible than I thought, wow.

Midas on February 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

From the other sequester thread

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 10:19 PM

You can’t be serious posting a snippet from a leftist economic policy blog that totally ignores unfunded mandates and uses percentages as opposed to hard numbers to make it’s case. If you were honest at all you would state the IBD article was quoting The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

voiceofreason on February 26, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Oh come on Sheriff Taylor, you aren’t gonna take my one bullet away again are you… ;p

SWalker on February 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

The Marshall will enforce the Martial Law.

VorDaj on February 26, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Ok, who likes snard?

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Don’t everyone raise your hand at once. Sheesh.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Love is kind generous and unspoiled
Love is faithful but not of this world
Love is patient forgiving and true
Love will chase away all of your blues
Love is honest and never misleads
Love is happy and worry free
Love is all in this world that is good
Love is never misunderstood
Love is caring and knowing no wrong
Love is expressed in beautiful songs
Love will support you and set you free
Love is freely given and forever will be
Love protects and is never too late
Love destroys and devours hate
Love most of all is from heaven above
Love is God and God is love…

Based on 1 Corinthians 13:4–8

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:48 PM

So, in your personal life, when things get tight financially, do you spend, borrow or cut you output? Of course, you could get another source of income, like a part time job. Hmmmm, I can’t wait until that laser focus Obama has on jobs, produces more revenue by adding taxpayers to the rolls. Face it, the rabblerouser doesn’t have a clue, stirring up sh!t is all he knows.

Cindy Munford on February 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

I’m not saying that spending it’s a huge problem. It is. But the problem is entitlement programs, not the type of cuts about to become reality.

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:48 PM

It’s both. But Zero will deal with neither.

KCB on February 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

I’ll bite, what is snard?

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

arnold ziffel on February 26, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Oh, I’m in!

And, Arnold, I’m wise to the fact that you’re not a pig at all. I’m willing to let you keep up the illusion for others, if you insist, but be advised, I see you as you are green eyes. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

You failed to address the larger point that the deficit is falling at a rate that’s historic and impressive by any measure.

http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/112012-634082-federal-deficit-falling-fastest-since-world-war-ii.htm

bayam on February 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM

HA, HA, Ha, ha, ha … That’s funny. Did you even read that moronic article? They are measuring pure percentages as some sort of absolute data. It’s hysterical and for any math literate people it would be called mixing up multiplicative and additive measures. Let me quote the idiocy of their “measure”:

From fiscal 2009 to fiscal 2012, the deficit shrank 3.1 percentage points, from 10.1% to 7.0% of GDP.

Well, you blithering idiot, our deficits have very, very rarely ever been even 7% of GDP, let alone 10%, so there’s not much of an additive measure of the absolute percentage difference they could make – i.e. if the deficit is only 2% of GDP then even HALVING it to 1% of GDP would register as “not much” by the asinine. math-illiterate measure of your “article”. Learn the difference between additive and multiplicative, you blithering idiot.

BTW, what’s the deficit running this fiscal year? Do you know? It must be something you’re proud to crow about, as small as it is (in your mind). Let’s hear it, bayam. What is this year’s deficit projected at (and/or currently running)? Will it finally get under a trillion? LOL. Seeing how the Fed is still buying up almost $600 billion of government debt with printed money, I would guess that it’s still quite a bit bigger than that. Let’s hear the great figure of the massively reduced deficit for fiscal 2013.

Get a friggin brain. Well, that might be too much for you. Get a friggin brain stem, man.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

VorDaj on February 26, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Since I’m the Fire Marshall I can impose Marshall law and reverse Rove E Wade because of the statue of limitations.

Disobey and you will be sequestered.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Bravo, Scrumpy! Excellent. I believe in Love. M.

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Scrumpy on February 26, 2013 at 11:54 PM

Well its a substance that is sticky and mucus-like.

I guess a snail would leave a trail of snard unless it was really dehydrated.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Ok now that I’ve got SWalker all locked up for aiming Dire will have to bail him out for 1 million dollars. That’s a 1 with 5 zeros for you people that can’t add.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:59 PM

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Me to!

Cindy Munford on February 27, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Ok now that I’ve got SWalker all locked up for aiming Dire will have to bail him out for 1 million dollars. That’s a 1 with 5 zeros for you people that can’t add.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Conspiracy is a serious crime.

KCB on February 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

I used to believe in Love

Then Love and I fell out

Now I believe in one Love

Gods’ Love

There is no other

Scrumpy on February 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Schadenfreude on February 26, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Remarkable. It just seemed to flow from him effortlessly. What a talent. :)

thatsafactjack on February 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

His best friend and favorite toy as a small child was a plastic bag his mother gave him to play with… Oh how warm and fuzzy and secure inside it makes him feel, even to this very day, to have that plastic bag hugging his face and scalp.

SWalker on February 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM

The Book of Corinthians – The Book of Revelation…..

Six of one…..an Avogadro’s Number of the other……

williamg on February 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Tear Drop – Santo and Johnny ( 1959)

For Arnold. Here’s some traveling music for our van trip. :)

thatsafactjack on February 27, 2013 at 12:03 AM

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh SPARKY!!!!!

Scrumpy on February 27, 2013 at 12:03 AM

Ok now that I’ve got SWalker all locked up for aiming Dire will have to bail him out for 1 million dollars. That’s a 1 with 5 zeros for you people that can’t add.

SparkPlug on February 26, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Conspiracy is a serious crime.

KCB on February 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Hey not, I was not conspiring… I was aiming…. ;p

SWalker on February 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Conspiracy is a serious crime.

KCB on February 27, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Can we get you to say that under oath? Or is that too conspiratorial for you?

SparkPlug on February 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Scrumpy on February 27, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Love conquers all, Scrumpy. And I believe in Love. There are many kinds of love, and it comes in many forms, and often when we least expect it. :)

thatsafactjack on February 27, 2013 at 12:06 AM

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