Perry: I’m looking forward to a primary of real Republicans in South Carolina

posted at 8:20 pm on January 4, 2012 by Allahpundit

Explain a few things to me. One: Why did he announce publicly last night that he was “reassessing” if he truly hadn’t decided to quit yet? If you want to push the talking point that Iowa doesn’t mean anything and that the real race begins in South Carolina, then push it. Don’t show everyone that the caucuses have left you so badly shaken that you’re thinking of getting out. And if that was simply a ploy to give him an excuse to skip campaigning in New Hampshire, where he has no shot, then why immediately turn around this morning and announce that you’re back in? (“I was out on the trail when it kind of came to me.”) Lie low for a few days as the New Hampshire scrum gets going and then announce that you’re back in and headed for Carolina. Even some of his advisors are confused about the reversal: “It seemed like everything was going to wind down and life was gonna be good, and now there’s an explosion and I don’t know what’s going on.”

Two: He says in the clip that he’s looking forward to a primary with real Republicans, not the Democratic infiltrators for which Iowa is known. But … South Carolina’s an open primary. If you want to make mischief for a conservative, it’s probably easier to do it there than in Iowa. And even if Iowa’s teeming with independents and liberals, how did that hurt Perry last night? Ron Paul was the big beneficiary of the non-Republican vote and surely will be again in South Carolina. Perry’s problem isn’t squishes lining up to torpedo him, it’s conservatives who have given up on him after one too many goofs. What he’s really saying here, I take it, is that he’s looking forward to a primary of southerners, which is fair enough — but then so is the guy who beat him out for fourth place last night.

Three: How does he win South Carolina? The Times has a theory:

While the campaign spent millions of dollars in Iowa, Mr. Perry may still have enough money to compete effectively in South Carolina, where television is less expensive than in New Hampshire and Florida, and his super PAC will likely provide additional firepower. While Mr. Perry will probably need to reboot his fund-raising to raise enough money to compete strongly in Florida’s primary on Jan. 31, his supporters believe the results in Iowa, however inauspicious for Mr. Perry, showed a hunger among Republicans for a more conservative alternative to Mr. Romney.

“Think how early we are in the process,” said a person with knowledge of the campaign, who asked for anonymity in order to discuss deliberations among Mr. Perry’s aides. “The reality is, not one delegate was committed yesterday. We are still early enough in the process that if the candidate has the drive to go forward, he ought to.”

“If we can get this back to a Perry versus Romney field,” the person said, “Perry can win.”

If he does well there, he’ll burst Santorum’s bubble, finish off Gingrich, and lay to rest whatever remains of Huntsman’s campaign after his likely defeat in New Hampshire. But that all depends on how well Santorum does in NH, of course. If Santorum gets a major bounce from Iowa and finishes a respectable second to Mitt up north, he’ll arrive in South Carolina as the presumptive social-con Not Romney, which makes things very hard for Perry. Perry fans, in fact, are now in the strange position of needing a Romney landslide next Tuesday to prove that Santorum’s a paper tiger whom South Carolinians shouldn’t bother taking a chance on.

And even if that Romney landslide happens, that’s dangerous too. The big rap on Mitt is that he has a low ceiling because most of the party hates him, but once there’s solid proof to the contrary of that in some state, it might shake loose undecideds elsewhere. Plus, Romney will have Nikki Haley campaigning for him in South Carolina, so if he shows up with lots of momentum, lots of endorsements, and a four-way split among the Not Romney vote, I wonder if he ends up winning there and suddenly looks so inevitable that no one can catch him even in a two-way race. That is to say, the assumption all along has been that anyone in the field (except Ron Paul) has a good shot of taking Romney out head to head. But maybe not. Maybe, if Romney runs the table early, the media buzz about inevitability and electability becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy in which even undecideds who prefer Perry or Santorum ideologically choose to opt for the guy with all the money and organization who can beat O. And on top of all that, for Perry to come back in South Carolina would be unprecedented: Since 1980, everyone who won there had also won in either Iowa or New Hampshire. Perry finished a distant fifth in the former and will do similarly in the latter. Are those long odds good enough to justify continuing, knowing that his participation will deepen the split in the conservative vote and inadvertently help Romney?

Next debate is Saturday night, by the way. Yesterday that looked like it was going to be an “everyone against Romney” affair, but with Perry back in and eager to take Santorum down, Mitt now has himself an unlikely ally.

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Bluray on January 4, 2012 at 9:04 PM

SC also loves veterans. Only Perry and Paul have served their country in uniform.

Aslans Girl on January 4, 2012 at 9:23 PM

bw222 on January 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

You forget that the other criteria is an average of 7% in certain polls — Perry is polling right about there now in SC. It’s been awhile since SC was polled, so we’ll see :)

Aslans Girl on January 4, 2012 at 9:24 PM

This is why SC primaries have made me nauseated for 25 years. 2% economy, 10% national security, 88% abortion, gay sex, etc. Santorum is a one-trick pony on that so-con broken record. Of course Reed will endorse him if he’s polling over single digits…

MTLassen on January 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Santorum is also a sniveling Yankee and don’t think the southern brethren Newt & Perry won’t use it…

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:24 PM

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

+1,000 :)

Aslans Girl on January 4, 2012 at 9:25 PM

The three best presidents according to Perry are Andrew Jackson, Thomas Jefferson and… and… that one with the, uh, you know, the thing and that other stuff… er… ?

Ooops.

profitsbeard on January 4, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I am pretty sure he would say the 3 best Presidents are – and in this order:

Sam Houston, David Burnet, and Mirabeau Lamar. Since Anson Jones presided over the annexation he’d have to rank last.

batterup on January 4, 2012 at 9:25 PM

From my understanding, Perry will not likely even be in the SC debate. They have criteria to limit number of debaters (including only having the top four from the Iowa primary and top performers in NH).

bw222 on January 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

No, it’s unknown at this point. Perry needs 7% in SC polls. He had 6% during the last poll in mid-Dec. We have no idea what SC looks like now.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 9:25 PM

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:18 PM

The emails went to a large number of people who have supported conservatives, not necessarily aimed at Perry supporters.

I received one although I have never had any contact with the Santorum campaign and am definitely not a Perry supporter.

bw222 on January 4, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I’m still waiting for a count on all of those who voted rogue in Iowa last night. Did anyone feel the earthquake?

JPeterman on January 4, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Vote Rogue came in ahead of Henrietta Huntsman in the Lee County Republican caucus at Keokuk High School, Sarah Palin, five votes; and U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman, two votes.

That’s all I’ve been able to find out about the Vote Rogue effort so far.

Flora Duh on January 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM

What’s the big deal about Perry saying “real Republicans”, especially when he clarified what he meant by the statement? He was talking about Democrats and lots of them voted last night, so I don’t give much credence to the results – especially since most of them went for Paul, who is totally unelectable. conservativemusician on January 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Because there were 100,000 other Republicans who voted for other candidates in the primary that were “Real Republicans”. If Paul had not been in the race at all, Newt still would have been 3rd and Perry would have been 4th.

Bluray on January 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM

My hopes rest on a strong regional candidate to stop Massachusetts Mitt. So, Southerners of Hot Gas, does Perry qualify as a true Southerner? He seems kind of cowboy/western to me.

Ted Torgerson on January 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Explain a few things to me. One: Why did he announce publicly last night that he was “reassessing” if he truly hadn’t decided to quit yet?

If, AP, you’d ever played Texas Hold ‘em or studied the Battle of San Jacinto or even the Thrillah from Manilla, you’d have your answer.

TXUS on January 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM

carbon_footprint on January 4, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Same to you..:)

Dire Straits on January 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Are those long odds good enough to justify continuing, knowing that his participation will deepen the split in the conservative vote and inadvertently help Romney?

He has the money Santorum lacks, doesn’t change colors like the chameleon, nor is crazy like the fox.

Yep.

rukiddingme on January 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Perry: I’m looking forward to a primary of real Republicans in South Carolina

Apparently Rick doesn’t yet realize that the South Carolina primary is an open primary.

steebo77 on January 4, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I think Perry was referring to Ron Paul’s supporters. How is Ron Paul polling in South Carolina?

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I’m glad he’s staying in and Bachmann is getting out. Did Palin write her speech for her? Because it sounded exactly like what she said on Fox Business yesterday – lol. Now if Santorum and Newt would clear the decks, Perry might gain some traction.

As for what happened, I think it probably is what it is. Perry was disappointed in his showing last night and was sincerely unsure whether he’d continue. Obviously he spoke with some folks overnight — whether they be family, friends, contributers, confidantes, potential endorsers — who encouraged him to soldier on. I doubt there’s any more to it than that.

NoLeftTurn on January 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I hope Perry can rebound.

He’s not my first choice but he’s sure a hell of a lot better than mandate Mitt Romney and William Jennings Bryan-wannabe populist Santorum.

Perry actually has some solid conservative positions on monetary policy and the Fed.

Nelsen on January 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Perry’s job is to see that Santorum doesn’t make it out of South Carolina. Let’s see if he can do it.

Mr. Arkadin on January 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Perry was coaxed into this thing by folks with deep pockets and I wonder if it wasn’t for the express purpose of fracturing the conservative vote and paving the way for the Establishments favorite son….Mitt!

look forward to Newt going all out at Mittens after the despicable ads and attacks from Mitts PAC.

ConcealedKerry on January 4, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Gov. as a resident of S.C.i wish you would have done the right thing today withdraw.According to the polls here you are at a whopping 6%.You only help Romney by staying in.Just a though Gov.did Romney call you today and ask you to stay in?Something is up your own internal polls tell you that you can,t win in New Hampshire or S.C. .Have you been promised something for staying in the race?

logman1 on January 4, 2012 at 9:29 PM

This is why SC primaries have made me nauseated for 25 years. 2% economy, 10% national security, 88% abortion, gay sex, etc. Santorum is a one-trick pony on that so-con broken record. Of course Reed will endorse him if he’s polling over single digits…

MTLassen on January 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

The most important issue listed in the 08 SC exit polls last time was the Economy not Abortion…

Bluray on January 4, 2012 at 9:30 PM

So happy he’s still in. I don’t care if he’s a long shot or not.

gophergirl on January 4, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I think Perry was referring to Ron Paul’s supporters. How is Ron Paul polling in South Carolina?

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

10% give or take. I really wouldn’t expect that to change much at all no matter what happens.

Nelsen on January 4, 2012 at 9:32 PM

My hopes rest on a strong regional candidate to stop Massachusetts Mitt. So, Southerners of Hot Gas, does Perry qualify as a true Southerner? He seems kind of cowboy/western to me.

Ted Torgerson on January 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Texas has deep southern ties as well as Southwestern & Western ties…So Perry should do well in SC.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM

nswider on January 4, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I know Sheppard Smith always makes a point of saying the journalist of Fox News are objective as in there is no conservative bias, liberal bias is acceptable LOL! But it’s pretty obvious he’s not a conservative.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM

nswider on January 4, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Yes, Santorum had a lot of nerve calling on Perry last night. Just the other day, Santorum made fun of Perry’s “oops”, ABC has the video. It was a personal attack against Perry who has always kept his attacks on policy. It showed Santorum to be an immature and juvenile. Not to mention that it made him look like his IA poll numbers went to his head.

Aslans Girl on January 4, 2012 at 9:35 PM

The rest of your write-up was a head spinner, AllahP.

Too many “What-If” scenarios.

Here is my take:

1. Santorum is not a short-term nor a long-term viable Not-Romney.

Santorum is a one-hit Iowa wonder that is now about to undergo his ‘anal’ exam (pun intended) and it won’t be pretty.

2. Neither Santorum nor Gingrich pose that much of a threat to Romney.

Perry’s brief re-assessment period sent conservatives panicking last night. At least, it sent me panicking.

Face it, without Perry in the race, Romney wins in a blowout.

There was a lot of jubilation at Mittcentral last night when they thought Perry was dropping out. His decision to soldier on provoked outrage from the usual suspects: the Romney media and Mittbots.

I also find it funny that some perennial Perry haters were out in force last night trying to get us to settle for Romney. “He is better than Obama”, they argued. Once Perry indicated he would press on, these ones broke out the F-bombs and vitriol making Perry out to be worse than Obama.

It’s all fun.

The primary continues. Next stop for the Perry Team: SC.

We shall prevail.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Santorum’s fundraising letter he sent multiple times didn’t help either…many Perry supports got them in their e-mail this morning.
workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I received one too…and I am not a Perry supporter…but it felt kind of pushy to me too.

AZgranny on January 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Vote Rogue came in ahead of Henrietta Huntsman in the Lee County Republican caucus at Keokuk High School, Sarah Palin, five votes; and U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman, two votes.

That’s all I’ve been able to find out about the Vote Rogue effort so far.

Flora Duh on January 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM

I read over at C4Palin earlier that the results would not be known for another 14 days. So much for going rogue and the earth moving.

Thanks!

JPeterman on January 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I wonder if McCain has sold my email address to Romney yet.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

10% give or take. I really wouldn’t expect that to change much at all no matter what happens.

Nelsen on January 4, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I think this is what Perry was referring to, his campaign team no doubt crunched all the numbers after the caucus last night. On the one hand Ron Paul brought people into the process, but not necessarily republicans. Over all for the republican party it looked good for them to have the turn out they did Iowa. I was commenting in another thread, that if Ron Paul brought in Independents and libertarians, and the turn out wasn’t as large as 2008 Iowa caucus, it means they displaced the republican folks that didn’t turn out last night. The media is quick to jump on voter participation in the caucuses and primaries. The democrats have to hope that the republicans don’t have big voter turn out in November 2012 for Obama to have an edge.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Perry was coaxed into this thing by folks with deep pockets and I wonder if it wasn’t for the express purpose of fracturing the conservative vote and paving the way for the Establishments favorite son….Mitt!

I wouldn’t be surprised. I have a soft spot for Perry, but I could never figure out why so much money and power would get behind George W. Bush II, who, despite what you think of him, is still essentially persona non grata in this election.

Perry’s entrance into the race certainly helped to blow Michele Bachmann out of the water.

Mr. Arkadin on January 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Santorum’s fundraising letter he sent multiple times didn’t help either…many Perry supports got them in their e-mail this morning.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Doesn’t look like it hurt.

Reports: Rick Santorum has raised $1 million since his 2nd place finish in the Iowa caucuses, staffer says – @NBCNews, @politicoStory metadata:
Submitted 1 hour ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on January 4, 2012 at 9:32 PM

sharrukin on January 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I know Sheppard Smith always makes a point of saying the journalist of Fox News are objective as in there is no conservative bias, liberal bias is acceptable LOL! But it’s pretty obvious he’s not a conservative.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Years ago Shep Smith used to be on WSVN in Miami with Rick Sanchez, yeah, that Rick Sanchez. They were both the same smug, cocky azzholes then as they are today. They helped turn Channel 7 News into laughing stock in South Florida.

Flora Duh on January 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Vote Rogue came in ahead of Henrietta Huntsman in the Lee County Republican caucus at Keokuk High School, Sarah Palin, five votes; and U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman, two votes.

That’s all I’ve been able to find out about the Vote Rogue effort so far.

Flora Duh on January 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Hi-larious.

NoLeftTurn on January 4, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Just stay in the race, shipmate. A bunch of California Democrats will be voting for Romney in the primary here too. World’s turned upside down. Not staying in the fight is the one thing that guarantees failure. Get to the convention. Dems can’t make the decision there.

J.E. Dyer on January 4, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Iowa Caucus Results:

Rick Perry 10.3% 2012
John Mcain 13.03% 2008

Ain’t over yet folks….

Just saying….

Tim Zank on January 4, 2012 at 9:45 PM

As Woody Allen would say: 90 percent of success is just showing up.

John the Libertarian on January 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Gov. as a resident of S.C.i wish you would have done the right thing today withdraw.According to the polls here you are at a whopping 6%.You only help Romney by staying in.Just a though Gov.did Romney call you today and ask you to stay in?Something is up your own internal polls tell you that you can,t win in New Hampshire or S.C. .Have you been promised something for staying in the race?

logman1 on January 4, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Boy you don’t know Rick Perry…He’d stay in the race just to piss off Mitt.

IA – 28 delegates
NH – 12 delegates
SC – 25 delegates


He’s staying in until Texas (April) which has 155 delegates
& California (June) has 172. By then the field will be considerably narrowed.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Perry’s job is to see that Santorum doesn’t make it out of South Carolina. Let’s see if he can do it.

Mr. Arkadin on January 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM

And, please tell us, who was the shooter on the grassy knoll? Also, can you name names as to who really
brought down the towers on 9/11. Were they CIA, FBI, or one of our contractors? No one dislikes Romney more than Perry, including Gingrich, and for you to suggest that Perry is a sock-puppet for Romney cries out for a really cool tin foil hat to add to your collection.

TXUS on January 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM

The most important issue listed in the 08 SC exit polls last time was the Economy not Abortion…

Bluray on January 4, 2012 at 9:30 PM

They always find a way to make it about social issues. Always. The media guarantees it always goes there…..every.single.time.

MTLassen on January 4, 2012 at 9:48 PM

From my understanding, Perry will not likely even be in the SC debate. They have criteria to limit number of debaters (including only having the top four from the Iowa primary and top performers in NH).

bw222 on January 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

That is all good.

One lesson I believe Perry took from his Iowa campaign is that he needs to focus less on debates and more on retail politics.

It is his Iowa retail politicking that caused him to move from single digits (bachmann territory) to finish at 10%.

And it only lasted two weeks.

Now just imagine he had done this for over a month. I believe he would have finished in the top three at least.

Perry will have to ramp up more retail politicking and leave the debates to the ‘smart alecs’ that suck at retail politicking and rather prefer debates followed by puff pieces from their media buddies.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Reports: Rick Santorum has raised $1 million since his 2nd place finish in the Iowa caucuses, staffer says – @NBCNews, @politicoStory metadata:
Submitted 1 hour ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on January 4, 2012 at 9:32 PM

After he tanks in NH it’s over for Santorum.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Perry will have to ramp up more retail politicking and leave the debates to the ‘smart alecs’ that suck at retail politicking and rather prefer debates followed by puff pieces from their media buddies.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM


Yeah they have 7 debates scheduled in January.
..Folks are getting sick of them.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:51 PM

So….Ol’ Rick is going to really shine when only Republicans are voting even though South Carolina is an OPEN PRIMARY where any Demoncrat can vote in a much easier fashion than they had infiltrating caucuses in Iowa?

He’s a smart one, that boy is.

FIFTH place in Iowa! That’s a great selling point. Vote for Perry – He’s The No.5 Choice of Corn Pickers Everywhere!

Wonder if he blew away any coyotes while is was out ridin’ the trail last night.

Horace on January 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM

You also have to love the Mittbots posing as conservatives and asking Perry to drop out to consolidate the Not-Romney vote.

Yeah right.

You better thank your lucky stars that Perry decided to soldier on. Otherwise, the media would have been out with articles declaring the primaries to be effectively over and decided in favor of Romney.

Let’s wait a couple of weeks for Santorum to crash and burn and Gingrich to continue his downward trajectory. When that happens, Perry supporters, please take note of these commenters and ask them whether Santorum and Gingrich should drop out to consolidate the Not-Romney vote.

You will be surprised.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Perry’s entrance into the race certainly helped to blow Michele Bachmann out of the water.

Mr. Arkadin on January 4, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Looks like he finished her off this morning. She gave her concession speech, and he tweeted he was on his way to South Carolina.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

It is his Iowa retail politicking that caused him to move from single digits (bachmann territory) to finish at 10%.

And it only lasted two weeks.

Now just imagine he had done this for over a month. I believe he would have finished in the top three at least.
TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM

10 debates are scheduled between Jan 7 – Mar 19

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Looks like he finished her off this morning. She gave her concession speech, and he tweeted he was on his way to South Carolina.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Bluff?

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Bwahahaha :)

Aslans Girl on January 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Bluff?

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I’m beginning to think so. Even if it wasn’t – it’s cool to think about.

gophergirl on January 4, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Bwahahaha :)

Aslans Girl on January 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

I think Mitt threwup in his cornfakes this morning…He lost is Chihuahua and gained a hobbit slayer

Epic!

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Looks like he finished her off this morning. She gave her concession speech, and he tweeted he was on his way to South Carolina.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Bluff?

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:58 PM

It sure was an odd coincidence are there really any coincidences in politics?

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Look to all who think Perry or anyone else should drop out.

Those that run put a lot of time, money and effort into it.
As long as someone has a shot I think they should stay in.

Even if they do it to just bring some of their ideas to the forefront.

I am 100% behind Perry.
I am standing by his RECORD which is better than anyone else’s who is running.

I tweeted, blogged and called his campaign office today to ask that he stay in the race.
I am glad that he is.

And to all who say he is ‘dumb’ stupid etc please, just look at how Texas is doing compared to the rest of the Country.
I believe he can replicate that all over the US.
That is why I believe in him.

ArmyAunt on January 4, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I’m beginning to think so. Even if it wasn’t – it’s cool to think about.

gophergirl on January 4, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I dunno…it sounded off last night so I decided to wait and see what wuz up. When I read he cancelled SC his events I thought ok he’s goin home to think it through and chat with his team…then I read that MB was having a press conference and I smiled…Then the Perry tweet.

So there ya go…The Perry Rodeo is a bit unpredictable but that’s 1/2 the fun.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Looks like he finished her off this morning. She gave her concession speech, and he tweeted he was on his way to South Carolina.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

And it was pure genius. He came in 5th place and still managed to be the talk of the blogs today.

JPeterman on January 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Bachmann quit, Paul is trending down, Newt is treading aside Romney and Santorum will deflate after his vetting. Newt will shred Romney in the debates while Romney tries to shred Santorum.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I’m guessing Romney will ignore Santorum, for the most part. In order to pull off a second-place finish in Iowa, Santorum canvassed every inch of that state, visiting every county, talking to whatever groups would listen or gather. Meanwhile, Romney and his people were gathering, collating, and organizing mountains of data to profile and pinpoint the target voters they needed to reach in order to garner the support necessary for a win, combined with a ground game of seasoned professionals combined with the help of scads of already pinpointed knowledgeable Mitt volunteers. And lots of money. Romney and his people can use the same approach in every state. It is highly unlikely Santorum can successfully replicate his Iowa effort. If Santorum tries doing what he did in Iowa everywhere, he’ll be dead of exhaustion before the month is out. But hey, Santorum’s likely getting an influx of cash right about now. He might be able to copy Romney’s methods, at least to a lesser extent.

Romney will likely keep bashing Gingrich, whom he views not as someone who can beat him in the primaries but as someone who can hurt him in the general election, whose attacks might have lasting effect. Newt’s due for an emotional meltdown any day now. If Romney keeps the pressure on, that meltdown will happen sooner rather than later.

Perry’s a dark horse, one with money. Even so, Perry can’t afford to place behind either Gingrich or Santorum in South Carolina. He might need another reassessment if that happens.

I predict Ron Paul will remain mentally unstable throughout the campaign. His repeated calls for someone to please God stop the black helicopters of the Illuminati hovering over his house and buzzing in his brain will go unheeded.

troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It sure was an odd coincidence are there really any coincidences in politics?

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Perry is an evil Machiavellian genius, right?

Coincidence or not, I do wonder if Bachmann did drop out after Perry just to save face.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It sure was an odd coincidence are there really any coincidences in politics?

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Perry’s last race was a hoot…he campaigned in every county (254) in Texas and by the end f it he was practically telling Texans KBH was no longer a true Texan but one of them a dreaded creature of washington…He trounced her in the polls.

It was a hoot…drove people nuts.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:16 PM

What’s the big deal about Perry saying “real Republicans”, especially when he clarified what he meant by the statement? He was talking about Democrats and lots of them voted last night, so I don’t give much credence to the results – especially since most of them went for Paul, who is totally unelectable.

conservativemusician on January 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Because there were 100,000 other Republicans who voted for other candidates in the primary that were “Real Republicans”. If Paul had not been in the race at all, Newt still would have been 3rd and Perry would have been 4th.

Bluray on January 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Point taken, but what is not talked about much today is that Perry was going up in the IA polls the week before the primary – just not as fast as Santorum was. Newt was lucky to hold on to 4th last night after withering all the attacks from Romney and others. I am surprised that Perry didn’t finish ahead of Newt, but it is what it is.

I agree with Rush today in that he also thought Perry should stay in the race and I still think that he is far more dangerous to Romney than Gingrich is. Gingrich is almost in Romney’s rear view mirror now, so if Perry had dropped out today, then it really would have been smooth sailing for Romney from here on out to the nomination.

Perry’s problem is that he is perceived as being stupid, but just because he is not the most articulate communicator doesn’t mean that he is void of substance, intelligence, and vision. He obviously loves this country and is a true patriot. It really is a shame that so many are writing him off just because of this one element and not looking at his entire record in TX, which is very impressive. He is doing much better overall because he is excellent on the stump, he connects with people on a personal level, and his ads are terrific.

Of course I know the current narrative could hold sway through SC in that he won’t gain any traction, but it’s not over yet, in spite of the stupidity of the IA voters. He will have my support until he drops out and, hopefully, many others will see what I see in Perry and he will survive to be our nominee.

Perry 2012.

conservativemusician on January 4, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I, for one, very much do not want Perry to drop out.

Slapstick and corny comedies are great stress-relievers during campaigns.

Heck, I almost cried, like Jr. Samples did, when they cancelled “Hee-Haw.” I certainly don’t want to go through THAT again.

So, on to SC, where only “real Republicans” will be voting in an OPEN PRIMARY! Everything’s comin’ up roses for Ol’ Rick!

Horace on January 4, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Coincidence or not, I do wonder if Bachmann did drop out after Perry just to save face.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

She dropped out cause she’s broke and she thought she’d done her job and gotten Perry out…They want Perry out before Texas.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

It comes down to who is the most politically savvy, Perry’s got a good campaign team. I think they should hunker down, and work on his campaign positives – when all the others are going to be attacking each other – rise above. Focus on the voters not the other candidates. Allah was right, the last video for Iowa, America Is Calling was an excellent ad, they need to focus on strengthening the Perry brand.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Looks like he finished her off this morning. She gave her concession speech, and he tweeted he was on his way to South Carolina.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Perry’s move was a masterpiece.

Ha ha ha ha…

- Announced he was re-assessing his campaign, which was dutifully reported by the media to mean he was dropping out.

- An ecstatic Romney gives the go-ahead for his attack dog, Bachmann, to drop out.

- Bachmann drops out.

- Perry tweets: “…South Carolina here we come”

I wonder what happened afterwards. Romney and Bachmann must have been so PO’d.

Now no more shrill Tardasil to detract from an otherwise serious debate.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Horace on January 4, 2012 at 10:18 PM

It’s good to see you’ve come around Horace. And you speak the truth if Perry drops out, the republican primaries get real dull, real fast.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

She dropped out cause she’s broke and she thought she’d done her job and gotten Perry out…They want Perry out before Texas.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Bachmann said in her Iowa concession speech that she would not let the pundits decide the race and that she will be the one who will take on Obama.

Then in the morning she called a press conference and just dropped out…

That 180 degree turn can’t be explained solely by a lack of funds.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:28 PM

She dropped out cause she’s broke and she thought she’d done her job and gotten Perry out…They want Perry out before Texas.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Nevermind. Misread your post.

They = Romney?

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Well she thought Perry was done…

PSYCHE!

Gig Em’
Perry 2012

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Dr Evil

I and the entire cast of “Green Acres” thank you.

Giddy-up!

Horace on January 4, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Now just imagine he had done this for over a month. I believe he would have finished in the top three at least.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Uh huh, Perry was able to go from 6% to 10% because he spent a few million dollars on advertizing, that is not retail politicking that is wholesale. Imagine if he had done that for a month to get into the top three? He would have had to have quadrupled his 2 week gain, you think that the same effort would have garnered exponentially greater gains from simply doubling the time frame? Yeah, your grounded in reality, yeah, that is what it is.

I am tending to think that your sanity is taking a bit of a beating. Are you really sure it is worth it? How much can he possibly be paying you?

astonerii on January 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

They = Romney?

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Th liberals on both sides of the game who are making tons of money off the present dysfunctional system.

Perry’s 10th amendment fixation has them scared outta their wits!

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Romney is running out of stalking horses.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Your theory will be validated if Bachmann endorses Romney. Until that happens, I really don’t want to think she is such an awful person as to act in such a despicable manner.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

You’re saying Romney and Bachmann had an arrangement? I don’t buy it. Although her former campaign manager, Ed Rollins, has said Bachmann once insinuated she wanted the VP slot on a Romney ticket, everything Rollins says is suspect since he has a made a talking head media career out of bad-mouthing former clients. Another thing: I don’t think either Romney or Bachmann are the type of people to game the primaries the way you imply. Romney may be something of a white bread Machiavellian schemer, and Bachmann may be given to hyperbole and nonsense in national debates, but neither strikes me as bad people–and certainly not the B-movie villains you describe.

troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Now no more shrill Tardasil to detract from an otherwise serious debate.

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Rick Tardasil King Perry is still in the race making a muck of it all. So, its all still there.

astonerii on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Dr Evil

I and the entire cast of “Green Acres” thank you.

Giddy-up!

Horace on January 4, 2012 at 10:32 PM

GRIN

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:35 PM

astonerii on January 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

The only way for Perry is UP….sorry but your panties are gonna be in a wad for months.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Uh huh, Perry was able to go from 6% to 10% because he spent a few million dollars on advertizing, that is not retail politicking that is wholesale. Imagine if he had done that for a month to get into the top three? He would have had to have quadrupled his 2 week gain, you think that the same effort would have garnered exponentially greater gains from simply doubling the time frame? Yeah, your grounded in reality, yeah, that is what it is.

I am tending to think that your sanity is taking a bit of a beating. Are you really sure it is worth it? How much can he possibly be paying you?

astonerii on January 4, 2012 at 10:33 PM

He went up to 14% in the polls thanks to his stronger debate performances, the commercials and his ground game. What made him bounce back to 10% was Santorum’s surge and cannibalization of his supporters. Perry was the #2 choice for a significant amount according to some of the polls I’ve read.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:38 PM

You’re saying Romney and Bachmann had an arrangement? I don’t buy it troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Bachmann never went after Romney in the debates until the last one….and that was mild.

She was hoping either He’d throw her a bone or he’d settle her debt.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM

You’re saying Romney and Bachmann had an arrangement? I don’t buy it. Although her former campaign manager, Ed Rollins, has said Bachmann once insinuated she wanted the VP slot on a Romney ticket, everything Rollins says is suspect since he has a made a talking head media career out of bad-mouthing former clients. Another thing: I don’t think either Romney or Bachmann are the type of people to game the primaries the way you imply. Romney may be something of a white bread Machiavellian schemer, and Bachmann may be given to hyperbole and nonsense in national debates, but neither strikes me as bad people–and certainly not the B-movie villains you describe.

troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

But we still don’t have a good explanation on why Bachmann dropped out right after she said she would stay in.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I’m glad Perry is staying in. He’s been my candidate before he announced. He has jobs, jobs, jobs going for him. I love what he did to the idiot from Politco this week and to Wallace on FNS. He’s got the personality, it’s Fox News, Rove and the rest saying all the bad things about him that hurt him. The man had major back surgery in July and announced a month later. I have had neck surgeries, same type I’m sure and I can’t stand for long periods of time, never mind two hours at a BORING debate.
Bachmann attacked him unfairly in the first debate over Guardasil, he apologized, enough was enough. They all attacked him because he was such a threat to the establishment Romeney.
Bachmann probably started her run with hopes (dismal at best for a congresswoman) and ended up as the attacker. I know she hopes for a VP slot with Romney.
I got five emails today asking for $ for the one true conservative-Santorum today. I deleted all of them.

carolt2 on January 4, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Another thing: I don’t think either Romney or Bachmann are the type of people to game the primaries the way you imply. Romney may be something of a white bread Machiavellian schemer, and Bachmann may be given to hyperbole and nonsense in national debates, but neither strikes me as bad people–and certainly not the B-movie villains you describe.
troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

This is what Newt meant when he said Romney was trying to buy the election (Pawlenty)…Newt is an old political hand and the old sod’s probably seen everything and tried 1/2 of it himself.

Sheeesh!

This is Politics C’Mon

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Rick Tardasil King Perry is still in the race making a muck of it all. So, its all still there.

astonerii on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Which one of the candidates left in the race is going to go on television, and claim that the vaccine HPV causes retardation? Point them out to me, I want to record it when it happens. Santorum will claim HPV vaccine causes retardation? Maybe Gingrich will claim he read it in a tweet so you know he’s just passing along what he read on twitter. There is a reason Bachmann came in last in Iowa. Some how I don’t think the other candidates want to follow her trajectory.

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM

troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Did you forget the sarc tag?

Dr Evil on January 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM

But we still don’t have a good explanation on why Bachmann dropped out right after she said she would stay in.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM

No we don’t except that after Perry’s speech Bachmann woke up to news that Perry had canceled 11 SC events.

Meanwhile Perry lays low in Iowa.

Then she has the press conference.

Then Perry’s Tweet complete with a scrappy photo & a “It just came to me while I was jogging…”

*snicker*

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I got five emails today asking for $ for the one true conservative-Santorum today. I deleted all of them.

carolt2 on January 4, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I feel kind of left out – I didn’t get one.

gophergirl on January 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Next debate is Saturday night, by the way.

NFL playoff game vs Debate number eleventy hundred.

a capella on January 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I got five emails today asking for $ for the one true conservative-Santorum today. I deleted all of them.

carolt2 on January 4, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I did too…checked the spam box b4 I deleted.

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM

But we still don’t have a good explanation on why Bachmann dropped out right after she said she would stay in.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Tell me, did any aspect of Bachmann’s campaign look well-executed? The best explanation is the most straightforward: she didn’t know what she was going to do until she did it. We’re not talking a well-oiled machine, here.

This is what Newt meant when he said Romney was trying to buy the election (Pawlenty)…Newt is an old political hand and the old sod’s probably seen everything and tried 1/2 of it himself.

Sheeesh!

This is Politics C’Mon

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Newt’s sleazy, all right, which doesn’t exactly lend credence to any insinuation he might make regarding his chief political rival.

I’m uncomfortable defending Romney or Bachmann since I don’t have any feelings about either one way or the other. I guess it’s the demonization process usual to political campaigns, where you ascribe the very worst motives to the other side. The problem with that kind of thinking is, it isn’t true.

troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:57 PM

NFL playoff game vs Debate number eleventy hundred.

a capella on January 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Ratings killer

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:58 PM

troyriser_gopftw on January 4, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Maybe we are both a little right in that her campaign had problems and she was kissing up a bit to Romney?

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Perry needs to drop out now. He’s only helping RINO Romney.

This race is down to good guy conservatives Santorum and Gingrich vs. evil establishment “moderate” (i.e. liberal) Romney.

Like an old Godzilla movie.

cyclo on January 4, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Perry needs to drop out now. He’s only helping RINO Romney.

This race is down to good guy conservatives Santorum and Gingrich vs. evil establishment “moderate” (i.e. liberal) Romney.

Like an old Godzilla movie.

cyclo on January 4, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Gingrich expressed his support for an individual mandate during the 1993 debates over Hilarycare and again in 2005 during a lecture on healthcare. It is the only conservative, moral thing to do, he said.

Gingrich isn’t the one.

ZGMF_Freedom on January 4, 2012 at 11:24 PM

I feel kind of left out – I didn’t get one.

gophergirl on January 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Well, I could send you one on behalf of the ‘Santorum’ campaign.

*Mischievous grin*

We will just route it through my bank account.

:)

TheRightMan on January 4, 2012 at 11:32 PM

MTLassen on January 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I see quite a few limp wristed rino twats slipped through in the last open registration. It’s like the Frum Forum or LGF with all the irrational hatred for social conservatives – The most reliable conservative and GOP constituency of them all.

Daemonocracy on January 5, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I am happy to hear Perry plans to at least press on in South Carolina, withdrawing after Iowa would have made no sense since Santorum is a weak candidate with a shakey fiscal record and Romney has an uphill battle in the South.

Perry’s Social Conservatism and States Rights Federalism should play well in both South Carolina and Florida.

Daemonocracy on January 5, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Rick Perry will love this…

“It’s not just Rick Santorum knocking Jim DeMint (!!!) when not hiding behind DeMint to claim tea party bona fides, Santorum is also going to have trouble in South Carolina because of his voting record. He opposed National Right to Work legislation.

In the 104th Congress Sen. Santorum joined all Democrats and a minority of Republicans in voting to filibuster the bill S. 1788, the National Right to Work Act of 1995. (“On the Cloture Motion (motion to invoke cloture on motion to proceed to consider S.1788),” Senate Bill Clerk, Vote Number: 188, http://www.senate.gov, 7/10/1996)

During that same congressional session, Santorum also voted to retain the 1930s-era Davis-Bacon Act that forces taxpayers to pay union wages in government-funded construction and gives Big Labor an unfair advantage over non-union companies and workers (“On the Motion to Table (motion to table Kennedy Amendment No. 4031 to S.Amdt. 4000 to S.Con.Res. 57),” Senate Bill Clerk, Vote Number: 134, http://www.senate.gov, 5/22/1996)

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/04/this-wont-play-well-in-south-carolina/

workingclass artist on January 5, 2012 at 12:35 AM

— “Explain a few things to me. One: Why did he announce publicly last night that he was “reassessing” if he truly hadn’t decided to quit yet? If you want to push the talking point that Iowa doesn’t mean anything and that the real race begins in South Carolina, then push it. Don’t show everyone that the caucuses have left you so badly shaken that you’re thinking of getting out. And if that was simply a ploy to give him an excuse to skip campaigning in New Hampshire, where he has no shot, then why immediately turn around this morning and announce that you’re back in? ”

Dear Allahpundit;

Last night was a very trying night. You spoke of “being human” (or something like that, in an earlier post today.) Why don’t you give that a try yourself? What do you say we just give the candidates a chance to be themselves, perhaps catch their breath after the Big Show, and move forward?

Hearing Michele Bachmann today, I was struck by her lucidity and honesty. She didn’t have to be an on-camera politician anymore. I wish she could have spoken that genuinely from the heart during the run-up to Iowa. There is just way too much pressure on these candidates. And way too much focus. After all, there is little that the executive branch can do without the acceptance of the legislative branch.

Do you not agree with me that it is a little weird how little coverage we have had of the 2012 election outside of the presidency?

What is with all the intra-party knife work? I don’t see the libtards engaging in such self-destructive perfectionism.

minnesoter on January 5, 2012 at 1:15 AM

And it was pure genius. He came in 5th place and still managed to be the talk of the blogs today.

JPeterman on January 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

I was thinking the same thing :smiles:

Aslans Girl on January 5, 2012 at 1:27 AM

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:31 PM

LOL, I said to my mom today that Perry must be thinking “psyche!” and then you say it! I know it was a popular expression in the ’80s when I was growing up, glad to see it used still :)

Aslans Girl on January 5, 2012 at 1:35 AM

astonerii on January 4, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Somebody’s cranky about this, roflol ;) I believe you were a big Bachmann supporter, no?

Aslans Girl on January 5, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Then Perry’s Tweet complete with a scrappy photo & a “It just came to me while I was jogging…”

*snicker*

workingclass artist on January 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

The news that Bachmann dropped out is probably what “came to him while jogging” ;)

Aslans Girl on January 5, 2012 at 1:49 AM

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