“We have nearly reached the Rubicon when the ‘not Romney’ crowd is pining for Jon Huntsman”

posted at 6:05 pm on January 3, 2012 by Allahpundit

So says Erick Erickson. Is he right?

I think it was a big mistake for Huntsman to write off Iowa. Today I am convinced of it. Every time the subject come up with Iowans I encounter, not to mention other conservatives here for the Hawkeye Caucii, they lament what might have been Jon Huntsman.

While I have issues with his record as Governor, it is much more conservative than Mitt Romney’s and he has a much, much greater cross-party and independent appeal than Mitt Romney. People kind of like he doesn’t give a crap about pandering.

But everyone closes their lament feeling Huntsman made a strategic decision to not ignore conservatives like Romney, but to give them the middle finger.

Can he atone for that flipping of the bird before next Tuesday? Ninety-five percent of you will say “NO” in the comments, but let’s see how that looks tomorrow morning if/when Romney’s just been crowned king of Iowa and there’s suddenly a real chance of him stomping his opponents into dust this month. Remember this too: Not since 1976 has the winner of the caucuses in a contested election gone on to win the New Hampshire primary, and in 1976 it only happened because Gerald Ford was an incumbent president trying to fend off a challenge from Reagan. Matthew Dowd says the frontrunner has to stumble somewhere:

In the last few open races for the Republican presidential nomination, voters have shown great reluctance in anointing someone too quickly. They have put up various road bumps along the way. In 2000, when George W. Bush came back after losing the New Hampshire primary and won South Carolina, and everyone thought he was now on a path to victory, he lost the Michigan primary three days later. In 2008, John McCain won New Hampshire, and then a week later lost Michigan to Romney…

Up until Tuesday’s Iowa caucuses, Romney has shown no capacity over the course of this campaign to grow his support above 30 percent outside of New Hampshire. This will become more and more of a problem as the field is winnowed to only a few candidates. Romney must show at some point after New Hampshire that he can win a much larger share of the vote in places like South Carolina or Florida and beyond — a big challenge for him.

For all the lip service paid to momentum after Iowa, not once in 35 years has that momentum been strong enough to propel the winner of a contested race to a second victory in New Hampshire. That’s explainable partly by demographics, of course — social cons do better in the midwest while, er, “mavericks” do better in the northeast — but it’s astounding to think that no candidate’s been able to play well enough to both electorates to win both states. The obvious question: Is there some segment of New Hampshire undecideds who vote against the Iowa winner simply for strategic reasons, whether to make the race “interesting” or to distinguish New Hampshire or for some other reason? If so, and if Romney wins tonight, who’s the likely beneficiary of that next week? Santorum will get a bounce of some sort, but he seems like a bad match for those voters. Paul is as maverick-y as they come, but Huntsman’s been hitting him with brutal ads over the newsletters so there may be a low ceiling for him now. Come Wednesday, Huntsman might be the only guy in the field who hasn’t lost a contested primary — yet — to Romney, which gives him a little extra “Not Romney” buzz, and if he gets the sort of second look from conservative media that Erickson’s hinting at, it could start to tilt undecideds towards him. All he has to do is hope for the best, do well at the debates this weekend, and then, um, figure out a way to win anywhere besides New Hampshire and he’s golden.

The hour of caucusing approacheth. Here’s something to cleanse the palate while we wait, in honor of Iowa’s near-irrelevance to the nomination. There’s only one truly good result that could come out of all this. It’s time, America.


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I know, right? Huntsman would sell our a$$ to China in a heartbeat.

BettyRuth on January 3, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Errr.. I think that was already done by his holeyness BHO.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I actually agree. But let’s get back to the real issue at hand: Huntsman is not (or at least has never articulated) a conservative, who believes in conservatism, small and decentralized government, etc.
Timin203 on January 3, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I disagree. Have you seen his campaign website? Compare it to every other candidate in the race, and you tell me who you think articulates in real sentences and paragraphs (not individual words, catchphrases) the best vision of conservatism. I honestly thought his was the most effective argument for small government conservatism.

Then again, I also loved McCain, so take my RINO sentiments with a grain of salt.

HTnFBCoachnTX1980 on January 3, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I’m a proud Huntsman supporter. When True Conservatives start looking to Huntsman as a solution to Romney, they’re showing their hand. This was never about ideology.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Oh, then what are you suggesting the anti-Romney position is about then? I consider myself a conservative and am a Huntsman supporter.

McDuck on January 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

So what is it?? The fact that Mitt is an empty suit with no convictions? That works

Southernblogger on January 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Here is a fun scenario:

Romney finishes in 4th place after Santorum, Gingrich, and Ron Paul. The media coverage tomorrow is so bad for him (He did after all say he’d come in first place tonight, yesterday), that it kills his momentum going into New Hampshire. This is coupled by Huntsman’s 100% percent focus in New Hampshire paying off like Santorum’s did in Iowa, and he builds enough momentum to win narrowly to Romney. Romney has now lost the first two contests, one of which he was the heavy favorite to win for several months. The electability argument is shot to hell, and he drops away from the top of the pack. The moderates and establishment forces in the party now coalesce around Huntsman, and the notRomney position is now called notHuntsman.

vegconservative on January 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Dr. Octavius Barron von Huntsman (call me ‘Doc Oc‘) 2012!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Uh. No.
There are only two candidates that are WORSE than Romney and they are Ron Paul and Biff Huntsman.
And, why can’t we have the dirty version? If Ron Paul wins, we’re all screwed and we will sure need a humpbot to make it feel better.

HornetSting on January 3, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Huntsman > Mitt

So sorry to see the race become more about who can perceivably beat Obama other than who is the best for the country.

burserker on January 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM

The obvious question: Is there some segment of New Hampshire undecideds who vote against the Iowa winner simply for strategic reasons, whether to make the race “interesting” or to distinguish New Hampshire or for some other reason?

Really? Serious voters will go choose not to vote for their preferred candidate just to make the race interesting? That’s not an obvious question, it’s a stupid question.

entropent on January 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Nobody’s talking about the Latter-day Saints but you, friend.

Religion has nothing to do with it.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:37 PM

No, it really doesn’t- but that seems to be the fall back position for a large portion of the Romney haters. Kind of reminds you of someone who likes to throw the race card. or something.

BettyRuth on January 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Wow, almost 100 comments on a Huntsman thread in a short time, and many of them not openly hostile.

HTnFBCoachnTX1980 on January 3, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Gawram fricken-fraken mudda-fudda rino-racken hon juntsman11!!1!!1

OTTO on January 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

I want to see what you write if he doesn’t win.

Flapjackmaka on January 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM

You be happy, and you’ll find yourself wondering why you ever doubted Allah.

csdeven on January 3, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Huntsman > Mitt

So sorry to see the race become more about who can perceivably beat Obama other than who is the best for the country.

burserker on January 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I’m not understanding why you have a problem with that. There are many who are hugely disappointed with Obama, but they aren’t going to go uber right as an alternative. They just aren’t.

BettyRuth on January 3, 2012 at 6:46 PM

So what is it?? The fact that Mitt is an empty suit with no convictions? That works

Southernblogger on January 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM

If that were the case, he’d have been an unacceptable replacement for McCain, and we all know it.

Truth be told, I have no idea why Romney got demonized. He’s farther away from the “RINO establishment” than Great Conservative Hope Newt Gingrich, and he also ponied up money to help no-hoper True Conservatives Angle and O’Donnell – something not all of the candidates can claim.

My best guess, extrapolating from the 2010 primaries as well as the debt deal and payroll tax debacle, is that True Conservative media figures believe that in order to get market share, they have to demonize Republicans and further marginalize the Tea Party from electoral victory. But that’s just a stab in the dark.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Gawram fricken-fraken mudda-fudda rino-racken hon juntsman11!!1!!1

OTTO on January 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

I love this – like right out South Park…

Anyway, did anyone catch what Huckabee said about too many people focusing on Obama and not enough candidates with real plans if they did win. Again, I am going to say that Huntsman has articulated a much better plan than Romney.

HTnFBCoachnTX1980 on January 3, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Huntsman is a conservative DEMOCRAT. He should be running in the democratic primary

gerrym51 on January 3, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Huntsman? Huntsman? Sorry… can’t place him. Is he that creepy looking guy who shows up occasionally at the debates? Looks like he wants to sell me a time share in Boca? Is that the guy? I thought his first name was ‘Raul’…

Snorkdoodle Whizbang on January 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM

九 九 九

has a hook to it john. try it.

jiǔ jiǔ jiǔ

t8stlikchkn on January 3, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Looks like he wants to sell me a time share in Boca?

Snorkdoodle Whizbang on January 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Now I know what it is about Huntsman. Reminds me of Crist with a lot less tan.

OTTO on January 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Bob Huntsfield, Bob Huntsfield, Bob Huntsfield … really don’t know him. Bob Huntsfield. Hmmm.

Paul-Cincy on January 3, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I’m a proud Huntsman supporter. When True Conservatives start looking to Huntsman as a solution to Romney, they’re showing their hand. This was never about ideology.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Of course. It’s about the anti-Mormon bigots thinking about supporting another Mormon. Right?

ddrintn on January 3, 2012 at 6:56 PM

“The five states that bucked national Republican Party rules by moving up their primary or caucus dates have been penalized with the loss of half their delegates to the August nominating convention in Tampa, Fla. — and there is no chance they’re getting them back.

Republican National Committee officials said Tuesday that there is no mechanism for New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona and Michigan to restore any of their lost delegates. And at the party’s winter meeting in New Orleans in January, the Rules Committee will decide whether to levy additional penalties on recalcitrant states, including unfavorable hotel assignments and convention seating arrangements.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-presidential-primary/202155-rnc-5-states-to-lose-half-of-gop-delegates

workingclass artist on January 3, 2012 at 6:56 PM

He’s farther away from the “RINO establishment” than Great Conservative Hope Newt Gingrich

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Not really. The establishment has directly or indirectly been pimping Romney ever since November 5, 2008. Gingrich until about a month and a half ago was considered even less “electable” and more “poison” than the hated/despised/wishshe’djustdiealready Palin.

ddrintn on January 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I love this – like right out South Park…

HTnFBCoachnTX1980 on January 3, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Yeah, watch it every night.
Still the smartest show on TV.

OTTO on January 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Politico and the White House hope for this response from GOP voters:

“Yes. I will vote for Mitt Vick Huntenman”

/ Note to the WH: 78% of the American Electorate are awake and standing ready to defeat you. We don’t want to give you any talking points, but your class warfare strategy is just brilliant. Please create more Occupy people. They are really making a difference in the 202 area code.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I’m a proud Huntsman supporter. When True Conservatives start looking to Huntsman as a solution to Romney, they’re showing their hand. This was never about ideology.
KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Oh, then what are you suggesting the anti-Romney position is about then? I consider myself a conservative and am a Huntsman supporter.
McDuck on January 3, 2012 at 6:40 PM

McDuck: agreed. I like Jon as well. Romney is garbage by comparison.

KG: WTF are you babbling about? You’re the among the biggest mittbots here.

angryed on January 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Olufamea(click)efalayo(click-click)donkun(click) ndege daayoe(click-click-click-click-click) Huntsman, ftw!
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Of course. It’s about the anti-Mormon bigots thinking about supporting another Mormon. Right?
ddrintn on January 3, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Same thinking that says supporting Cain was racist. Liberals all all the same. Romney = Obama. Romneybots = Obamabots.

angryed on January 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

No 2nd or 3rd look he is an arrogant elitist

evergreenland on January 3, 2012 at 7:05 PM

No, it really doesn’t- but that seems to be the fall back position for a large portion of the Romney haters. Kind of reminds you of someone who likes to throw the race card. or something.

BettyRuth on January 3, 2012 at 6:43 PM

You’re the one throwing it.

and he also ponied up money to help no-hoper True Conservatives Angle and O’Donnell –

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Whose chances, by the way, were probably better than either Romney’s or Huntsman’s would be.

ddrintn on January 3, 2012 at 7:05 PM

love you longtime jin hunts-ban

t8stlikchkn on January 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM

First look at ex-Obama employee?

So..what’s good about Huntsman? ….
His wife is very attractive?

Umm…..what else?

ZGMF_Freedom on January 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Not really. The establishment has directly or indirectly been pimping Romney ever since November 5, 2008. Gingrich until about a month and a half ago was considered even less “electable” and more “poison” than the hated/despised/wishshe’djustdiealready Palin.

ddrintn on January 3, 2012 at 6:59 PM

And how many of you were pimping him before then, when John McCain was on the line with an arguably more conservative platform?

Sheesh. Buy some consistency, or at least a clue.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Billy Rasputin Huntsman tells the mother of four on her way back home from the grocery store “sorry your iced cream melted in the sun, here’s some shade for you” and the roundtable discussion paddles back in time? No thanks.

ahlaphus on January 3, 2012 at 7:10 PM

People kind of like he doesn’t give a crap about pandering.

Ericson has lost his mind. Did he not see Huntsman on SNL? I like to think that my years of following politics have allowed me to build up a tolerance for shameless pandering. Even so, Huntsman tripped my gag reflex several times that night.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Same thinking that says supporting Cain was racist. Liberals all all the same. Romney = Obama. Romneybots = Obamabots.

angryed on January 3, 2012 at 7:04 PM

I’ve been waiting for several weeks for any shred of evidence or proof against Cain.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 7:10 PM

“We have nearly reached the Rubicon when the ‘not Romney’ crowd is pining for Jon Huntsman”

Leave Bryan Huntsman Alone!!!!

Dr Evil on January 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM

And how many of you were pimping him before then, when John McCain was on the line with an arguably more conservative platform?

Sheesh. Buy some consistency, or at least a clue.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Truth be told, we supported Romney in 2008 and were delivered a stunning blow by McCain winning the nod.

It will not happen again. Mitt Romney will NOT be the nominee IMHO, but if he is, I’ll support him.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 7:13 PM

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Romney would have been our best choice in 2008. I don’t think he’s our best choice this time around. Times change.

McDuck on January 3, 2012 at 7:14 PM

People kind of like he doesn’t give a crap about pandering.

Ericson has lost his mind. Did he not see Huntsman on SNL? I like to think that my years of following politics have allowed me to build up a tolerance for shameless pandering. Even so, Huntsman tripped my gag reflex several times that night.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Not to mention his nauseating reference to not participating in the Donald Trump showcase during the last debate. From completely out of left field. Talk about reaching.

fitzfong on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I have lost so much respect for Erickson this election cycle. He has simply lost touch with reality. He’s completely blinded by his own personal biases without the ability to adjust his opinion along with the changing political landscape.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Great. Romney will declare untsman his VP pick and we will have two compromisers to tell each other they are doing the right thing.

davod on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

but if he is, I’ll support him.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 7:13 PM

And that’s what separates you from dregs like angryed, who is basically pledging to work actively against Romney if he’s nominated.

KingGold on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Thunderbolt Grease Slapper Huntsman takes the Checkered Flag!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 7:18 PM

Sorry Erick, yesterday former FL Senator Paula Dockery tried to convince me why I should consider Heloise Huntsman. She couldn’t do it either.

Flora Duh on January 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM

I have lost so much respect for Erickson this election cycle. He has simply lost touch with reality. He’s completely blinded by his own personal biases without the ability to adjust his opinion along with the changing political landscape.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I agree, Redstate used to be among my favorite conservative blogs. The last time I was there was months ago. The only RS blogger I read now is Moe Lane.

Flora Duh on January 3, 2012 at 7:23 PM

If the “conservatives” are so into one night stands, they should give a second look to BJ Clinton.

galtani on January 3, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Moxie Crimefighter Huntsman–Kickin Tail & Takin Names in 2012

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 7:30 PM

I pick corn, not metrosexual President wannabes.

Next…

MNHawk on January 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM

If it came down between Huntsman and Romney….I don’t know what I’d do.

joekenha on January 3, 2012 at 7:45 PM

“We have nearly reached the Rubicon when the ‘not Romney’ crowd is pining for Jon Huntsman”

With all due respect,.. A lot of us don’t and never did hate Romney, we just found him uninspiring, a lot different than hating him. But Huntsman? No, he was never in the cards, to favor him now after all the conservatives were hammered endlessly to drive their numbers south, you’d have to have no core convictions at all to go with Huntsman.

This has nothing to do with who’s the best choice anymore..

It’s about who the media has to destroy to get their favorite liberal republican nominated, so they can then crucify him during the general.

mark81150 on January 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Cmdr. Swiftboat Potemkin Huntsman blasts right through his 2012 competition

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I have lost so much respect for Erickson this election cycle. He has simply lost touch with reality. He’s completely blinded by his own personal biases without the ability to adjust his opinion along with the changing political landscape.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I agree, Redstate used to be among my favorite conservative blogs. The last time I was there was months ago. The only RS blogger I read now is Moe Lane.

Flora Duh on January 3, 2012 at 7:23 PM

And I want to say, the problem I have with him now does not stem from the fact that I disagree with what he is saying. I read and like many people I disagree with. Its that he seems to have tossed intellectual honesty out the window. And by that, I don’t believe he’s purposely lying or trying to deceive. I just think that he has become so emotionally invested in one single POV that he can’t cope with facts and opinions that pose a challenge to his conclusions. I’ve just lost respect for him as a thinker.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I have lost so much respect for Erickson this election cycle. He has simply lost touch with reality. He’s completely blinded by his own personal biases without the ability to adjust his opinion along with the changing political landscape.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 7:16 PM

In case nobody else already mentioned it… That’s why Glenn Beck quit CNN.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Huntsman? Huntsman? Sorry… can’t place him. Is he that creepy looking guy who shows up occasionally at the debates? Looks like he wants to sell me a time share in Boca? Is that the guy? I thought his first name was ‘Raul’…

Snorkdoodle Whizbang on January 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Romney’s shadow. He’s like Mittens but even less substantial.

Sultanofsham on January 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

And I want to say, the problem I have with him now does not stem from the fact that I disagree with what he is saying. I read and like many people I disagree with. Its that he seems to have tossed intellectual honesty out the window. And by that, I don’t believe he’s purposely lying or trying to deceive. I just think that he has become so emotionally invested in one single POV that he can’t cope with facts and opinions that pose a challenge to his conclusions. I’ve just lost respect for him as a thinker.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Is he emotionally or financially invested in his most recent opinions?

That is the question. When he pulled up his tent and high tailed it to CNN, he lost a lot of credibility and a lot of readers. I hope finance Trumps integrity in the end… at least for him.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Pancho Arturo de Consuelo Maldonado Chi-Chi Huntsman immigrates to the White House in 2012!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Who is Jon Huntsman and when did he get a first look?

Ellis on January 3, 2012 at 8:12 PM

To hell with you people saying Huntsman went to work for the opposition. You are disgusting people and totally un-American. Huntsman served Regan, Bush I, Bush II and then Obama. A big F U to you frauds on HA touting this crap. So sick of it.

SuperBunny on January 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Erick Erickson wants to be Dick Morris when he grows up.

Capitalist Hog on January 3, 2012 at 6:30 PM

That’s funny! Morris is wrong so much I laugh every time I see him on the tube. When we finally get a candidate, I hope to God I never hear Morris say, “He’s gonna win in a landslide!”

And second look at Huntsman? No. I’m still wiping the used car salesman oil from my eyes from the first look.

Rational Thought on January 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

To hell with you people saying Huntsman went to work for the opposition. You are disgusting people and totally un-American. Huntsman served Regan, Bush I, Bush II and then Obama. A big F U to you frauds on HA touting this crap. So sick of it.

SuperBunny on January 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

But he did work for Obama? Did he not?

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

That isn’t the Rubicon out there… nope… it might be that river in Egypt that Erick Erickson is looking at, but it isn’t the Rubicon.

Remember who crossed the Rubicon.

It didn’t have a good ending to it for all the immediate success.

ajacksonian on January 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Is he emotionally or financially invested in his most recent opinions?

That is the question. When he pulled up his tent and high tailed it to CNN, he lost a lot of credibility and a lot of readers. I hope finance Trumps integrity in the end… at least for him.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I actually think the only question worth asking is “is he worth reading?” For me, that answer is a shake of the head and “nope.”

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Hopefully huntsman will be capable of sticking it to china!!!!!

gopackgo on January 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Another reason to be incredibly excited about 2012:

Not only will America fire its corrupt politicians, they will also retire their legacy MSM.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Pancho Arturo de Consuelo Maldonado Chi-Chi Huntsman immigrates to the White House in 2012!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Let’s just call him Fee-Fee-Frontman.

Take another look. You KNOW that fits.

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

To hell with you people saying Huntsman went to work for the opposition. You are disgusting people and totally un-American. Huntsman served Regan, Bush I, Bush II and then Obama. A big F U to you frauds on HA touting this crap. So sick of it.

SuperBunny on January 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Oh,.. like we haven’t heard that before.. so Huntsman is your choice,

and you can’t deal with the fact, many people felt betrayed by him, when he gave up his seat to serve a president totally opposed to everything we believe in. Not just opposed either, but actively waging a war to make this country a one party state..

I used to believe, that Americans could be united in war, united in a common defense against an enemy not happy to merely defeat us, they demand religous conversion at gunpoint. The two terms of Bush, kicked that idea out of me.

He may have been thinking he was serving America, and probably did so. That he was used as a club to beat other opposition voices into silence, or that he was serving a president who treats opposing views with utter contempt.. (kind of like your post),… never seemed to sink in, till he finally had to resign.

But because you like him.. the rest must bow in suplication, and forget the way he left us in a lurch. Letting Obama use him, to get another seat, use him to play the moderate, when he was never that.. Huntsman chose his career, over party, over the heartfelt concerns most of us had..

he’s not going to jail dammit, he’s just not going to get any support..

but you call us unAmerican, for what?… not supporting your pick?

even if many of us were not veterans, you’d still be a clown for that statement. UnAmerican, for rejecting Huntsman?

That’s just comical, the sterotype of a mindless rethuglican, dreamt of in the kos fever swamps.. The only way you can be unAmerican in voting for someone else, would be if Castro were on the ballot.

You argue like an enraged teen,.. FU,.. isn’t a substitute for an argument, it’s a grunt of disapproval… and about as intelligent a response as a belch.

try again, still not liking Huntsman.

mark81150 on January 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Key West Reader on January 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Hey, quit harshing my mellow, Dudette! Most of the time I ain’t that serious; just laying in the cut having myself a ball (it’s good for the ulcers don’cha know)…funnin–like I do with Mighty Quinn Jo Yeung Huntsman (Gonnnnng)!
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 3, 2012 at 9:00 PM

oh and Bunny,.. it’s spelled Mr. Reagan,.. sir to you.

you aren’t his niece or something are you?

mark81150 on January 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Huntsman I mean..

mark81150 on January 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

mark81150 on January 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Well said. I just wish we had a webcam on Bunny when he/she reads that.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Huntsman is Frazier’s brother, Nles Crane… minus the rugged masculinity.

Need any more ?

M240H on January 3, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Can’t wait for his time in the sun. He rode his way into my heart on a smirk and a zinger.

onetrickpony on January 3, 2012 at 9:25 PM

But everyone closes their lament feeling Huntsman made a strategic decision to not ignore conservatives like Romney, but to give them the middle finger.

They never ever get it.

Reagan didn’t pander to us, or ignore us, he was one of us. He was the greatest voice in showcasing the virtues of being conservative. He was a proud conservative, unashamed of what he was, despite the snearing from the media and the party establishment. He led the movement, sometimes changing course, to embrace a different tack, but he never apologized, he explained, and usually, won us over as a good leader does..

Romney may ignore us, Huntsman treat us as the unspoken of crazy uncle,.. that is something no decent leader would do.. to alienate the most passionate of your base, makes zero sense.

Unless you plan to win with democrats by pandering to the left.

Huntsman took a reservoir of trust, and threw it away, insulting us as he did so. I’d vote for Mitt, hoping to get him to turn around, before voting for Huntsman, who was shameless in his desire to play democrat lite. He’s infected with the same disease most establishment types are..

if I only jab those hicks and rubes with a stick hard enough, the media and entertainment left will love me.

You get tired of being the whipping boy and scapgoat of every fool with a column or TV show to show how enlightened and free thinking they are.. by acting in rank bigotry.

Mr. Reagan was one of our own, and we haven’t had one even close to him as a conservative voice, till Sarah Palin came on the scene. She wasn’t ready, wasn’t ;prepared for what the media would do to savage any strong voice in our favor. She’s learning, and even if she never runs,… she drives the media left nutz just by existing.

Whoever wins..

will always be standing in a shadow..

Till one of our own steps up again.

mark81150 on January 3, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I’m sure that Bunty Manshunt is a great guy, and I hear he speaks Marinade..which is a plus in todays world of global interaction…but he’s not really going anywhere.

Mimzey on January 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM

He is an awkward debater but he would beat Obama. The Independents and frustrated Dems will vote for him. Anybody but BO

southernms on January 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Gawram fricken-fraken mudda-fudda rino-racken hon juntsman11!!1!!1

OTTO on January 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Normally, I’d agree with you, but we have to compare him to:

rassa frassa couch-boy right-wing engineer guy

muvvah huggah socialized medicine dude

twithead heartless amnesty gaffer

gardasill gal

scary wack-job isolationist tin-foil hat from outer-space

Given this field, Ron Paul is the only one I can give a definite HELLS NO to. I’m not going to feel great about voting FOR any of them.

Laura in Maryland on January 3, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I actually agree. But let’s get back to the real issue at hand: Huntsman is not (or at least has never articulated) a conservative, who believes in conservatism, small and decentralized government, etc.
Timin203

Huntsman is one of the most fiscal conservatives running, he is definitely to the right of Romney, Gingrich, Santorum when it comes to economics.

Its just that the ideologues rate “conservative” on social matters, much more than they do about limited government or economic matters.

Fiscal matters are a lot more pressing, I do not all of a sudden find some magical trust in government to teach values, when they can not seem to do anything else right. I can have my own values, and teach them just fine, without social nanny staters getting involved.

I want a pragmatist, not a preacher.

firepilot on January 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

I’d be happy to give him a second look if he dropped that smarmy “I’m a comedian” nonsense.

John the Libertarian on January 3, 2012 at 11:39 PM

This is the stupidest of all the stupid articles I’ve seen during this campaign.

flataffect on January 3, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Good grief, man give…it…up. Please, just shut the crap up with the “second look at…” posts. Please.

rogaineguy on January 3, 2012 at 11:50 PM

I’d be happy to give him a second look if he dropped that smarmy “I’m a comedian” nonsense.

John the Libertarian

Well look at all the rest of the nonsense going on, where they pretend to be hunters, they act like they just love the local culture, they rave about the local food, and kiss all the babies they can, and put on a total dog and pony show which is nothing but performance art at its very worst, in order to beg for votes.

They go out there and act like they may as well just have lived in Des Moines their whole lives. I would rather someone be swarmy and quit pandering to Iowan ethanol subsidy addicted ideologues, than someone putting on theatre performance of “I am an Iowan”

firepilot on January 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Huntsman is one of the most fiscal conservatives running, he is definitely to the right of Romney, Gingrich, Santorum when it comes to economics.

Its just that the ideologues rate “conservative” on social matters, much more than they do about limited government or economic matters.

Fiscal matters are a lot more pressing, I do not all of a sudden find some magical trust in government to teach values, when they can not seem to do anything else right. I can have my own values, and teach them just fine, without social nanny staters getting involved.

I want a pragmatist, not a preacher.

firepilot on January 3, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Well, claiming that the federal government needs to spend billions to fight global warming is sort of contradictory to that whole fiscal conservative thing.

Zetterson on January 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

They go out there and act like they may as well just have lived in Des Moines their whole lives. I would rather someone be swarmy and quit pandering to Iowan ethanol subsidy addicted ideologues, than someone putting on theatre performance of “I am an Iowan”

firepilot on January 3, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Evidently you prefer your candidates to spend 100% of their waking moments pandering relentlessly to the good people of New Hampshire

Zetterson on January 4, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Romney may ignore us, Huntsman treat us as the unspoken of crazy uncle,..

Bingo! Exactly the reason I would never take a second much less a first look at Huntsman. He has been condescending and arrogant, and has insult not only Iowans-but Republican voters in general.

melle1228 on January 4, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Romney is not a Republican.

Pragmatic on January 4, 2012 at 8:09 AM

lorien1973 on January 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Lorien, I think I have finally recovered.

Abby Adams on January 4, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Huntsman is the candidate for people who are afraid of conservatives.

Trey

TMink on January 4, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Sorry .. but Huntsman is the Harold Stansen (or Pat Paulsen) of 2012

J_Crater on January 4, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I would consider voting for Huntsman in the general before I’d ever vote for Romney. I wouldn’t be thrilled, but I’d give him a look.

DRayRaven on January 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Huntsman (RINO) is so far in the noise. So Perry and Bachman are dropping out? Does this give the RINO a bump?

jake49 on January 4, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Huntsman is so pretentious and long winded, he makes Obama seem down to earth and concise.

netster007x on January 5, 2012 at 2:30 AM

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