Colmes apologizes for comment about son after Santorum and wife get emotional; Update: Video added

posted at 9:31 pm on January 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

You guys are creeping up on 500 comments in the other thread so I figured you’d want to know how the Santorums reacted.

Not well.

At a Pizza Ranch restaurant in Newton, Iowa, a member of the audience asked Santorum to react to a controversial attack leveled by liberal Fox News contributor Alan Colmes, who called the Santorum family’s approach to grieving for their dead baby boy, who lived for only two hours after his birth in 1996, “crazy.”…

[I]n Iowa this afternoon, Santorum explained that it was important for his other children to “know they had a brother.”

Santorum’s wife, Karen, who was at the event and listened to her husband talk about the experience, began to weep.

“It’s just so inappropriate,” she said as tears streamed from her eyes.

Santorum reportedly asked her at the event if she wanted to respond to Colmes. The terse reply: “No, I’d better not.” Colmes tweeted later that he spoke to Santorum by phone and that his apology was graciously accepted, which is probably sufficient to back Santorum’s political enemies off of this nasty line of attack until, oh, Super Tuesday at least. I’m looking for video of him addressing Colmes’s comments today on the trail but I can’t find anything at YouTube, CNN, or elsewhere. If you see the clip, please e-mail with a link.

Update: No video from the trail, but here’s Santorum talking about his son’s death and Colmes’s comments on “Hannity” tonight. Click the image to watch.


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When my dad passed away my brother and sisters and me knew he wanted us to help bury him. He had often talked about how important it was to him that his family put him in the earth. So at his burial, after the readings and prayers, I threw in 2 coins (for the Ferryman, since my dad was somewhat superstitious) and then me and my brother took up shovels and we began to fill in the grave. Luckily, the ceremetery folks understood and allowed us to do what we considered a very important task which actually helped us to say goodbye to our dad.

Therefore, I would never pass judgement on how others choose to grieve and put their loved ones to rest.

Siren46 on January 3, 2012 at 4:40 AM

not even the pundits on morning joe can defend this…

cmsinaz on January 3, 2012 at 6:10 AM

Alan may have apologized because his stupidity will have an impact on his gig at Fox News, but I can assure that he doesn’t mean it.

He still believes that everyone who isn’t a progressive cultist is crazy and should be sent to re-education camps–for life. He still believes that Santorum is an extreme, whacked-out, crazed, conservative who should be considered armed and dangerous.

BMF on January 3, 2012 at 6:33 AM

You can nor more separate Colmes from vile ugliness than a leopard from his spots. Santorum was gracious in accepting his “apology” and you can believe it was genuine or not. I believe not.

swinia sutki on January 3, 2012 at 6:44 AM

I’m sure Mr. Murdoch, through Roger Ailes, called that horse’s a@@ on the carpet.

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 7:02 AM

Progressives are vile people. They themselves can never see this.

disa on January 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Taking your genetically retarded dead fetus home and sleeping with it in bed is totally normal grief/coping behavior, guys! JEEZ!

nice_poltergeist on January 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

As the father of a very special 24 year old daughter, I ask that this pond scum feel the wrath of the Ban Hammer.

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 7:07 AM

Colmes owes his entire TV career to dedicated lock-step lefty conventional wisdom. Due to his life-long physical repulsiveness he has a psychological need for praise. He knows he can count on it from the Left. He doesn’t at this point need the memo, he can instinctively intuit what will get him smiles and back-pats at Obama Campaign HQ keg parties. This time he just over-anticipated kudos for his comment. I mean who would put that face on TV without a good ideological reason? Even Fox, when they needed a punching bag foil for Hannity — if that wasn’t barrel-bottom scraping nothing is. If the eyes are a window into the soul then this guy’s soul is skewed, big time. This episode should get him banished to Current TV.

curved space on January 3, 2012 at 7:07 AM

i finally got some resumed details on this story in this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/magazine/22SANTORUM.html?ei=5088&en=83d72ed75fbada1d&ex=1274414400&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
The childbirth in 1996 was a source of terrible heartbreak — the couple were told by doctors early in the pregnancy that the baby Karen was carrying had a fatal defect and would survive only for a short time outside the womb. According to Karen Santorum’s book, ”Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum,” she later developed a life-threatening intrauterine infection and a fever that reached nearly 105 degrees. She went into labor when she was 20 weeks pregnant. After resisting at first, she allowed doctors to give her the drug Pitocin to speed the birth. Gabriel lived just two hours.

What happened after the death is a kind of snapshot of a cultural divide. Some would find it discomforting, strange, even ghoulish — others brave and deeply spiritual. Rick and Karen Santorum would not let the morgue take the corpse of their newborn; they slept that night in the hospital with their lifeless baby between them. The next day, they took him home. ”Your siblings could not have been more excited about you!” Karen writes in the book, which takes the form of letters to Gabriel, mostly while he is in utero. ”Elizabeth and Johnny held you with so much love and tenderness. Elizabeth proudly announced to everyone as she cuddled you, ‘This is my baby brother, Gabriel; he is an angel.’ ”

1)why, if doctors already said that the baby would not survive. why the santorums carried out the pregnancy? this IS crazy. this is really a case where an abortion is in order to save the family from the emotional distress and the baby from possible suffering.
2) the fetus was 20 weeks old when it was taken to be shown to the family. thats around 10 inches(legs stretched) although with a clear human shape. and the daughter did cuddle the 20 week fetus.
the situation is very very bizzare being it a 10 inch fetus. more so because this situation could be avoided. its like the santorums planed for this to happen from the very beginning. they let themselfs and their children get attached to a baby that would die anyway and they have this strange ritual to say goodbye to him.

i change my mind, this is nuts. something is not ticking well inside santorum’s head.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

No matter how vile, mean and nasty a progressive has to get, it’s all FOR THE GOOD OF THE “CAUSE”.

RADIOONE on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

i change my mind, this is nuts. something is not ticking well inside santorum’s head.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

What part of what they did, being a form of grief therapy, don’t you understand? Or, are you just Trolling, or being “inane” as Ms. Munford quipped?

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Taking your genetically retarded dead fetus home and sleeping with it in bed is totally normal grief/coping behavior, guys! JEEZ!

nice_poltergeist on January 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

As the father of a very special 24 year old daughter, I ask that this pond scum feel the wrath of the Ban Hammer.

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 7:07 AM

no, what he said is actually correct.i would just change the language from “genetically retarded” to “genetically inviable”.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Colmes “Jumped the Shark!” this time. No one on the left will be seen with him ever again! At least, not until Thursday!!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 3, 2012 at 7:24 AM

BTW – Scraping a fetus from it’s mother’s womb in pieces, sicking the brain out of its skull with a syringe and dumping it in a bio-hazard bag is to be celebrated over and over again 1.5 million times annually! But acknowledging the birth of a child, even one that lives but a moment, is bizarre! Hello Jesus! It’s time!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM

i change my mind, this is nuts. something is not ticking well inside santorum’s head.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Perhaps your mind will find meaning when you find your caps key. Then again, probably not.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:30 AM

What part of what they did, being a form of grief therapy, don’t you understand? Or, are you just Trolling, or being “inane” as Ms. Munford quipped?

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 7:18 AM

you miss my point. the baby was inviable from the start. so, why to proceed with the pregnancy and get yourself emotionally attached to the baby to the point where you need such therapy. i just don’t get it.
also i discovered the fetus was 20 weeks old. i though it was older. i can understand the therapy argument for an still birth, but for a small fetus? its a stretch.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:32 AM

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Please. Return from whence you came.

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 7:32 AM

no, what he said is actually correct.i would just change the language from “genetically retarded” to “genetically inviable”.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Correct for who? A progressive? A liberal? Who?

BTW, Your genetics is showing.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:35 AM

BTW – Scraping a fetus from it’s mother’s womb in pieces, sicking the brain out of its skull with a syringe and dumping it in a bio-hazard bag is to be celebrated over and over again 1.5 million times annually! But acknowledging the birth of a child, even one that lives but a moment, is bizarre! Hello Jesus! It’s time!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 3, 2012 at 7:29 AM

can you do an abortion if the baby in inviable? because this is the case with santorum. the doctors said that the baby would never live more than 2 hours.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:35 AM

Correct for who? A progressive? A liberal? Who?

BTW, Your genetics is showing.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:35 AM

santorum doctors said early in the pregnancy that the baby would never live more than 2 hours after birth. forget the genetics, the baby was inviable.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM

i just don’t get it.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:32 AM

We recognize that.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM

the doctors said that the baby would never live more than 2 hours.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:35 AM

Fourteen years ago they told me I wouldn’t live two more. Fooled them, didn’t I? God works in strange ways.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:42 AM

i just don’t get it.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:32 AM

We recognize that.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:38 AM

so explain me! why would you not abort an inviable pregnancy? is it a religious thing? did they hoped the doctor was wrong?
as a father i dealt with these issues too and i cannot understand.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM

i change my mind, this is nuts. something is not ticking well inside santorum’s head.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Something is just ticking in Santorum’s head differently than it ticks in yours.

They lost a child. It may be that if you were in the same situation, you would not feel about it that way.

They did feel about it that way. They were grieving the loss of their child.

You presume to judge that grief as being “nuts” because you do not understand it.

Perhaps you should give this a bit more reflection.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Fourteen years ago they told me I wouldn’t live two more. Fooled them, didn’t I? God works in strange ways.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:42 AM

misdiagnoses and self healing happens in low percentages for people all over the world, and people of any religion and no religion.
god has nothing to do with it.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

can you do an abortion if the baby in inviable? because this is the case with santorum. the doctors said that the baby would never live more than 2 hours.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:35 AM

Just because someone has a fatal condition doesn’t mean the life they do have should be cut short. That is one of the core ideas of the Pro-life world view: You don’t kill someone because they are inconvenient, You don’t kill someone because they are ill, you don’t kill someone because they are going to die anyhow, all human life is valued – everyone has the right to their own life. The fact that little Gabriele was going to die does not mean that he wasn’t wanted and loved by is family.

The way the family chose to deal with their son’s death isn’t really something anyone else gets to comment on. It harmed no one, brought the family closer together, let the children experience the idea of the death of their sibling in a concrete way. Why this would even be news is the crazy part.

darcee on January 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM

Colmes is scum like water is wet. It’s a given.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM

God does not always deal a happy hand. Some people believe in playing the hand they are dealt.

Extrafishy on January 3, 2012 at 7:50 AM

i cannot understand.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Does the fact that YOU don’t understand give you the right to sit in judgement of someone’s decision to work through their grief in their own way. The Santorum’s simply do not believe in abortion. That is THEIR right.

Give. It. Up. You are beginning to dictate from a liberal’s point of view. You won’t win here.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:52 AM

misdiagnoses and self healing happens in low percentages for people all over the world, and people of any religion and no religion.
god has nothing to do with it.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

The doctor’s were wrong. It was a misdiagnosis of a very rare disease.

You really have wandered in through the wrong door.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Something is just ticking in Santorum’s head differently than it ticks in yours.

They lost a child. It may be that if you were in the same situation, you would not feel about it that way.

They did feel about it that way. They were grieving the loss of their child.

You presume to judge that grief as being “nuts” because you do not understand it.

Perhaps you should give this a bit more reflection.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

i was in a similar situation, my wife had had miscarriage before 3 months. miscarriages are very very common in early pregnancy and in my view they are part of the process of trying to have babies. if something goes wrong, the best is to get closure fast and try again. that what we did and we now a beautiful daughter.
if santorums knew that the baby was not viable, why did they proceed with the pregancy? maybe its a religious thing? i not sure, but i think the church allows abortion in case of inviable fetus no?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:57 AM

i just don’t get it.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:32 AM

Obviously! Because doctors have never made any errors in determining fetal health. See Tim Tebow and family for more info. God Bless the Santorums.

hoosierma on January 3, 2012 at 7:59 AM

The doctor’s were wrong. It was a misdiagnosis of a very rare disease.

You really have wandered in through the wrong door.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 7:56 AM

so why you claimed it was god in the first place?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:59 AM

so explain me! why would you not abort an inviable pregnancy? is it a religious thing? did they hoped the doctor was wrong?
as a father i dealt with these issues too and i cannot understand.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM

misdiagnoses and self healing happens in low percentages for people all over the world, and people of any religion and no religion.
god has nothing to do with it.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

You just answered your own questions about why the Santorums did not terminate the pregnancy. Why can’t you put the two together?

And by the way –

1)why, if doctors already said that the baby would not survive. why the santorums carried out the pregnancy? this IS crazy. this is really a case where an abortion is in order to save the family from the emotional distress and the baby from possible suffering.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

This is a most illuminating quote from you. An abortion is in order to save the family from emotional distress? How about the emotional distress of a young woman no longer fitting into her clothes? Would that then justify an abortion? Yes, it’s an absurd argument. Just as absurd as yours.

Mitoch55 on January 3, 2012 at 8:05 AM

…. and in my view they are part of the process of trying to have babies. if something goes wrong, the best is to get closure fast and try again. that what we did and we now a beautiful daughter.
if santorums knew that the baby was not viable, why did they proceed with the pregancy? maybe its a religious thing? i not sure, but i think the church allows abortion in case of inviable fetus no?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:57 AM

The Santorums’ view is not the same as your view. They proceeded differently because they saw it differently.

That does not mean they are “nuts.” Open your mind. It is not about who is right and who is wrong, except for you considering their view nuts because you do not understand it.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 8:09 AM

I hadn’t known that when a family navigates the tragedy of losing a child, they must first ask Alan Colmes what the acceptable grieving process is.

Between this and his dumb comments about Sarah Palin flying when she was pregnant, I’m thinking Colmes needs to shut his yap about all things natal.

JohnTant on January 3, 2012 at 8:12 AM

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:57 AM

Miscarriages at 3 months or less is distressing. Miscarriages after 5 months or stillbirths are even more so (through the “danger point” so to speak). IN ANY CASE….who are YOU (or AC) to determine how any of us should react to losing a CHILD!! They didn’t abort because they had more faith in God’s path than the doctor’s. If “you not sure” you shouldn’t type.

hoosierma on January 3, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Just because someone has a fatal condition doesn’t mean the life they do have should be cut short. That is one of the core ideas of the Pro-life world view: You don’t kill someone because they are inconvenient, You don’t kill someone because they are ill, you don’t kill someone because they are going to die anyhow, all human life is valued – everyone has the right to their own life. The fact that little Gabriele was going to die does not mean that he wasn’t wanted and loved by is family.

you don’t kill someone because they are going to die anyhow,
i can understand the other pro life arguments but i really disagree with this on. its like you go trough an horrible process that even has negative societal value just to make a religious purity point. if this is what moved santorum i really think its wrong.

The way the family chose to deal with their son’s death isn’t really something anyone else gets to comment on. It harmed no one, brought the family closer together, let the children experience the idea of the death of their sibling in a concrete way. Why this would even be news is the crazy part.

darcee on January 3, 2012 at 7:49 AM

its bizzare to say the least. however, when santorum wrote about this episode in his book, this episode becomes political football. he lost his right to privacy on this issue and people will relate or unrelate to santorum also on this issue.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:18 AM

so why you claimed it was god in the first place?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:59 AM

You know what? That’s none of your business. Just like the details of the Santorum’s decision to not have an abortion is none of your business.

Typical liberal thinking. Everybody else’s decisions are on the liberal’s examining table for dissection. The minute details of their decision is None. Of. Your. Business.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Obviously! Because doctors have never made any errors in determining fetal health. See Tim Tebow and family for more info. God Bless the Santorums.

hoosierma on January 3, 2012 at 7:59 AM

so, because doctors in very low percentages do errors, should abortions of inviable babies be forbiden? or just not considered as an option even by religious parents?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:21 AM

This is a most illuminating quote from you. An abortion is in order to save the family from emotional distress? How about the emotional distress of a young woman no longer fitting into her clothes? Would that then justify an abortion? Yes, it’s an absurd argument. Just as absurd as yours.

Mitoch55 on January 3, 2012 at 8:05 AM

no, the baby was INVIABLE. this is not about girls fitting in clothes.
i would surely risk my family the emotional distress if the baby had good chances to live. but this was not the case.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:24 AM

….you don’t kill someone because they are going to die anyhow,
i can understand the other pro life arguments but i really disagree with this on. its like you go trough an horrible process that even has negative societal value just to make a religious purity point. if this is what moved santorum i really think its wrong.

…………

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:18 AM

The ‘process,’ no matter what they chose, was going to be ‘horrible.’

If you are talking about the issue of the suffering of the baby, then I sympathize with your point, but it opens up all of the dilemmas involved in mercy killing. Is there a point at which mercy killing becomes the moral thing to do? Sure. Is society capable of defining that point without sliding into a moral abyss? Probably not.

Anyway, do we know what the suffering alternatives were in this case? Abortions are not generally known for their compassion to the suffering of the fetus.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 8:28 AM

so, because doctors in very low percentages do errors, should abortions of inviable babies be forbiden? or just not considered as an option even by religious parents?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:21 AM

You do realize that is a completely different issue than the one about whether what the Santorums decided to do was nuts?

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 8:30 AM

You know what? That’s none of your business. Just like the details of the Santorum’s decision to not have an abortion is none of your business.

Typical liberal thinking. Everybody else’s decisions are on the liberal’s examining table for dissection. The minute details of their decision is None. Of. Your. Business.

Exactly! The whole abortion argument is that it gives woman a choice. Apparently it isn’t choice unless you choose something as gruesome as a abortion. Here is a woman who made a choice; an educated one, and just because it was different then most people who choose abortion doesn’t mean that the choice wasn’t right for them.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 8:32 AM

Miscarriages at 3 months or less is distressing. Miscarriages after 5 months or stillbirths are even more so (through the “danger point” so to speak). IN ANY CASE….who are YOU (or AC) to determine how any of us should react to losing a CHILD!!

he wrote this story in is book and he is running for president. people will relate to him or not based of the life story that he put foward in his own book.
i dont relate to him on this.its bizzare.

They didn’t abort because they had more faith in God’s path than the doctor’s. If “you not sure” you shouldn’t type.

hoosierma on January 3, 2012 at 8:13 AM

faith in god that a miracle would be delivered? it might be ok for a private citizen but not for a president. i want a president that does not think a miracle will solve though situations and refuses to face the odds.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:36 AM

Odd how liberals are all about celebrating cultural diversity and not being judgemental…until they find political currency in being intolerant and judgemental.

If the Santorums were the Mahmoudi family, Colmes and his apologists wouldn’t have opened their mouths.

JohnTant on January 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM

no, the baby was INVIABLE. this is not about girls fitting in clothes.
i would surely risk my family the emotional distress if the baby had good chances to live. but this was not the case.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:24 AM

Sure…we get it. In your world view, abortion is a viable option to avoid potentially uncomfortable situations. Obviously for the Santorums, it’s not.

But your own words belie your argument:

misdiagnoses and self healing happens in low percentages for people all over the world, and people of any religion and no religion.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:47 AM

The Santorums were given their options (terminate / carry to term) and acted upon their faith by continuing the pregnancy. Their choice. Not yours, mine or anyone else’s.

Mitoch55 on January 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM

Not even a deceased child is off limits to the perverse liberals.

I’m not going to say I’d do what the Santorums did, but as people of faith I’m not surprised they grieved how they needed to and weren’t afraid of death. Liberals – Godless and spiritually dead people typically – are afraid of death so much they can’t fathom processing it like the Santorums did.

Alan Colmes is a heartless, soulless, pathetic man.

tyketto on January 3, 2012 at 8:41 AM

I would suggest, if you really care to understand, going to the other thread and you will see discussions by couples who had a miscarried child and their reactions. You might get a sense of the loss you have when a child dies, with all their potential lost. Family members have only their own memories of the child, not the child’s laughter and happiness.

What the Santorum’s did was beautiful; they didn’t want this child to die alone and with no comfort. If only for themselves, they wanted this child to go to God in the arms of a loving family. From the loss of my own child, I understand and respect their actions.

itsspideyman on January 3, 2012 at 8:49 AM

If you are talking about the issue of the suffering of the baby, then I sympathize with your point, but it opens up all of the dilemmas involved in mercy killing. Is there a point at which mercy killing becomes the moral thing to do? Sure. Is society capable of defining that point without sliding into a moral abyss? Probably not.

so your view is that santorum is really making the religious purity point on this one?
you might disconsider your family emotional suffering in carry on a pregnancy that is inviable but i dont. and i think most people in america think like me.

Anyway, do we know what the suffering alternatives were in this case? Abortions are not generally known for their compassion to the suffering of the fetus.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 8:28 AM

in this case, abortion would be done early in pregancy.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM

it might be ok for a private citizen but not for a president. i want a president that does not think a miracle will solve though situations and refuses to face the odds.

How about one that doesn’t take an easy way out when things might get “emotionally distressing.” You can look at it anyway you want, but again people choose to do things in their grief that might be unthinkable to other people. You choose to see what your own personal lense allows you to see, and make judgements accordingly.

BTW, a miscarriage is a far cry from an abortion. An abortion is the active killing of a life. If you believe that an abortion is murder, even a baby that might only live a couple of hours is still a life.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Sure…we get it. In your world view, abortion is a viable option to avoid potentially uncomfortable situationsgestating inviable fetus. Obviously for the Santorums, it’s not.

Mitoch55 on January 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM

there! fixed.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

We used to keep our dead relatives in a pine box in the parlor, through the wake and then bury them in the back yard. Since everything has been sanitized by the funeral industry, we find anything else to be outside the norm. It’s none of our business what the Santorums did in 1996. We should just extend our sympathies. Colmes has always been a lib scum bag and that has never changed. FOX needs to find a new dirt bag to carry the lefts water.

Kissmygrits on January 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

so your view is that santorum is really making the religious purity point on this one?

No. Not even slightly. That is not my view at all.

You really do need to rethink this. Everyone doesn’t feel just like you feel.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM

If you are talking about the issue of the suffering of the baby, then I sympathize with your point, but it opens up all of the dilemmas involved in mercy killing. Is there a point at which mercy killing becomes the moral thing to do? Sure. Is society capable of defining that point without sliding into a moral abyss? Probably not.

so your view is that santorum is really making the religious purity point on this one?
you might disconsider your family emotional suffering in carry on a pregnancy that is inviable but i dont. and i think most people in america think like me.

Anyway, do we know what the suffering alternatives were in this case? Abortions are not generally known for their compassion to the suffering of the fetus.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 8:28 AM

in this case, abortion would be done early in pregancy.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:58 AM

If you are talking about the issue of the suffering of the baby, then I sympathize with your point, but it opens up all of the dilemmas involved in mercy killing. Is there a point at which mercy killing becomes the moral thing to do? Sure. Is society capable of defining that point without sliding into a moral abyss? Probably not.

The last point is the most important. Mercy killing is what you do to animals in pain. Human beings have a soul and free will. Once you start taking it upon yourself to make that decision, or allow others the right, you’ve started the slide into the abyss that Nazi Germany plunged into.

itsspideyman on January 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

My third child, my only boy, was progressing, growing, and I felt him kick. At about 20 weeks, I started feeling very ill, and I stopped feeling him move. I got in to see my doctor ASAP, where they told me his heart was no longer beating. He had died. I went through a “normal” delivery and they asked me if I wanted to hold him. I regret to this day that neither his dad nor his sisters got to hold him and cry over him and pray for him. Aiden is my angel. I wish more people in this world had the spiritual courage that the Santorums displayed in the face of unfathomable grief. I think there is nothing creepy about a family collectively grieving the loss of a child.

p.s. Alan Colmes is self-righteous, cruel man.

p.p.s. Had much doom and gloom about the viability of our 4th child and was advised multiple times to abort. We decided to ignore them, because if she was meant for God, maybe we could help other babies in need via organ donation. My blessed child is 5 years old and healthy, smart, normal, and we named her Grace. So there, Alan.

redmama on January 3, 2012 at 9:00 AM

faith in god that a miracle would be delivered? it might be ok for a private citizen but not for a president. i want a president that does not think a miracle will solve though situations and refuses to face the odds.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:36 AM

I have spent some time reading the drivel that you have posted and would like to know if you believe that there is some reason for everyone to discount a belief in a supreme entity, or at least the President.

Do you believe the man is causing GlowBall warming, or detrimentally affecting the climate? If you do, where is the scientific proof to support that argument? Where is the scientific proof that God doesn’t exist?

It’s all about FAITH, and everyone has faith in something. The 48%ers have faith in the gubmint, the rest have faith in themselves. It doesn’t necessarily have to be religious, but it can be and it is not your place to stand in judgment over someone else’s faith.

You are an intellectually dishonest liberal…, that’s redundant and I repeat myself.

belad on January 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM

BTW, a miscarriage is a far cry from an abortion. An abortion is the active killing of a life. If you believe that an abortion is murder, even a baby that might only live a couple of hours is still a life.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 8:55 AM

so your view is that santorum is really making the religious purity point on this one?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Colmes needs to shut his yap about all things natal.

JohnTant on January 3, 2012 at 8:12 AM

FIFY

Syzygy on January 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM

in this case, abortion would be done early in pregancy.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:58 AM

And this would make a difference somehow? Do tell.

Naturally Curly on January 3, 2012 at 9:05 AM

so your view is that santorum is really making the religious purity point on this one?

You seem to be stuck on religious purity. An atheist who is pro-life would make the same decision, and believe me there is a lot of ethical atheists who are pro-life.

Here I will fix it just for you since I didn’t say anything about religion at all.

If you believe that an abortion is murder no matter what your religion, even a baby that might only live a couple of hours is still a life.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 9:05 AM

It’s all about FAITH, and everyone has faith in something. The 48%ers have faith in the gubmint, the rest have faith in themselves. It doesn’t necessarily have to be religious, but it can be and it is not your place to stand in judgment over someone else’s faith.

You are an intellectually dishonest liberal…, that’s redundant and I repeat myself.

belad on January 3, 2012 at 9:01 AM

i wont hide that i am an atheist and i am a fiscal conservative.
for example, i want a president that takes a tough military decisions according to odds of its successes, not to expecting a miracle to solve a situation.
i dont think santorum is like that. santorum seems a reasonable guy. he was not expecting a miracle. i think he was making the religious purity point that life is to be protected even after the doctors said the fetus was inviable.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM

bill bennett was blaming this on the “media” protecting his friends and family on the left. This was not about the “media” this is about the lack of compassion and humanity in those on the left. Underneath the slogans and bumper sticker sayings, liberals and leftists are self obsessed narcissists. It is a type of sociopathy. Liberalism is a mental illness that has nothing to do with facts or reality, it is all about making those infected feel good about themselves. alan coombes and his ilk believe they are the most enlightened and compassioniate while in fact they are the descendants of the brown shirts and the germans who turned thier jewish neighbors over to the ss.

peacenprosperity on January 3, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Nathor seems like a typical liberal. They have all the answers and their way is the only one that’s right. They know what’s better for you than you do.

Oh, and apparently all of us stupid conservatives are attached to the antiquated concept of capital letters.

John Deaux on January 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

i think he was making the religious purity point that life is to be protected even after the doctors said the fetus was inviable.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:08 AM

He was not “making a point.” He was living what he felt and believed.

fadetogray on January 3, 2012 at 9:13 AM

I’ve never known a mother that wouldn’t risk her life on the chance it might help her baby.

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 3, 2012 at 1:08 AM

And doctors are not God. They are often wrong.

JannyMae on January 3, 2012 at 1:11 AM

My obstricians kept saying that my pregnancy was full of problems that WEREN’T there(incompetent cervix etc) while missing the complication that WAS there(severe Toxemia). They day I delivered my top number was probably close to 300. They couldn’t believe that an petite woman could have high blood pressure. It was finally diagnosed…when my son was EIGHT.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 3, 2012 at 9:16 AM

nice_poltergeist on January 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Kick this piece of excrement to the curb! I may vehemently disagree with a lot of the folks here criticizing how parents deal with grief, but this is beyond vile.

Ban. Hammer. Please.

Laura in Maryland on January 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

You seem to be stuck on religious purity. An atheist who is pro-life would make the same decision, and believe me there is a lot of ethical atheists who are pro-life.

not sure… i never know an atheist that is against abortion in case of inviable fetus.

Here I will fix it just for you since I didn’t say anything about religion at all.

If you believe that an abortion is murder no matter what your religion, even a baby that might only live a couple of hours is still a life.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 9:05 AM

just to be sure, in your opinion there should never be abortions even if the baby is all scrambled inside?
also important, should it be forbidden? one thing is to really take that option because of your religious view, another is to force it on others. i would be incredibly angry if my family was forced trough those situations because of your religious views.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

you might disconsider your family emotional suffering in carry on a pregnancy that is inviable but i dont. and i think most people in america think like me.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 8:58 AM

“…and i think most people in america (SHOULD) think like me.”

There, fixed it for the way you meant to say it.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Nathor seems like a typical liberal. They have all the answers and their way is the only one that’s right. They know what’s better for you than you do.

Oh, and apparently all of us stupid conservatives are attached to the antiquated concept of capital letters.

John Deaux on January 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM

i am not a social conservative. i want less goverment and less spending.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:21 AM

not sure… i never know an atheist that is against abortion in case of inviable fetus.

I have.

just to be sure, in your opinion there should never be abortions even if the baby is all scrambled inside?

Again, clearly so you understand. Not having an abortion is as much of a “choice” as having one.

also important, should it be forbidden? one thing is to really take that option because of your religious view, another is to force it on others

We are not talking about abortion and legality. We are talking about one couple’s decision not to have one. I mean the whole argument on the pro-abortion side is “If you don’t like abortion; don’t have one.” Here is a pro-life couple who didn’t have one.

If you are asking if I think abortion should be illegal; the answer is yes unless there is a danger to the woman, but I would just be happy to have Roe v. Wade overturned and leave the decision to the states at this point.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Colmes and John Clayton from ESPN have to get in the ring and see who can knock the UGLY off each others face.

WelfareWonderland on January 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Video of Santorum answering the question and his wife weeping were on ABC’s Nightline last night. He said he brought the baby home to bury him.

Colmes should be fired.

HellCat on January 3, 2012 at 9:25 AM

“…and i think most people in america (SHOULD) think like me.”

There, fixed it for the way you meant to say it.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 9:19 AM

trying to put words in my mouth?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Remember who these liberals are and what they truly believe. They are doing the work Satan has anointed them to do. They are the true picture of what we all have witnessed in the past when dealing with the likes of Genghis Khan, Napolean, Charlemagne, Castro, Adolph Hitler, Lenin, Anton Pavelich, Stalin, Bloody Mary, and so many more that follow with the same demonic spirit that has indwelled them all the same way. Sad to say, this is just the beginning of what’s yet to come. No one who we elect this time or the next time will be able to reverses what’s been going on now since the 1930’s. We are at the point of no return…. Look at our school & education system, our News Papers, CBS, CNN, ABC, NBC, CNBC, the corrupted judges appointed over the years and how much the government now rules and operates over our freedoms. This has been all planned out a long time ago and what we are seeing now is the results of it coming to a realization.

Shain1611 on January 3, 2012 at 9:27 AM

The update I’m waiting for is the one that says Alan Colmes is on leave from Fox.

lynncgb on January 3, 2012 at 9:29 AM

just to be sure, in your opinion there should never be abortions even if the baby is all scrambled inside?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

You’re the one who is scrambled inside. Just a dark, scrambled abyss where your soul ought to be.

Naturally Curly on January 3, 2012 at 9:29 AM

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

You have no faith. It’s hope that keeps them from aborting their baby and it was love and grief that led them to mourn. Because you have no faith you cannot understand that though they grieve they grieve with hope knowing that they will see their baby again. You are very judgmental about something you obviously do not understand.

dmn1972 on January 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

i am not a social conservative. i want less goverment and less spending.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Yet you feel worthy enough to pass judgement on the Santorums for their decision to respct life and their grieving process.

I know of a woman who delivered stillborn twins. She sat and rocked them for eight hours. The last thing in the world I would do would be to tell her she was wrong.

John Deaux on January 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

trying to put words in my mouth?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM

No one has to. You’ve more than illumined yourself for all to see.

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

nathor on January 3, 2012

There is no reasoning with you . That is quite clear. You are dark and nasty. What is it with you people? Truly sad.

CW on January 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

No one has to. You’ve more than illumined yourself for all to see.

kingsjester on January 3, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Exactly.

CW on January 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM

i am not a social conservative. i want less goverment and less spending.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Human lives? Ah who cares?
/

CW on January 3, 2012 at 9:36 AM

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:17 AM

In 1943 some obstetriations decided that one of their patients was carrying a baby that was going to be born with complications and who existance was endangering it’s mother’s life. They were going to give the woman a LEGAL abortion(w/out her consent or even knowledge) and then tell her that she miscarried.
Somehow, the woman got wind of it-and raised such a fit that the OB’s backed off.
In April, 1944 her only child was born…my mother.
Despite having 4 strokes-Ma is still a very feisty old broad.
Drs can be wrong.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 3, 2012 at 9:37 AM

If you are asking if I think abortion should be illegal; the answer is yes unless there is a danger to the woman, but I would just be happy to have Roe v. Wade overturned and leave the decision to the states at this point.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 9:24 AM

one thing is being pro life against the typical “abortion by choice”, which is an argument i understand. another thing is to be against abortions of inviable fetus.
your extreme pro life view would want to forbid my family of taking such abortion and carry on the pregnancy? i am protective of my family and i cannot stress enough just how much this would make me feel if such thing would be imposed my family.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:41 AM

“…and i think most people in america (SHOULD) think like me.”

There, fixed it for the way you meant to say it.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 9:19 AM

trying to put words in my mouth?

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM

You have spent the last two hours, or more, trying to tell us how you believe the Santorums should think and act. That also included trying to convince us that how you think is the way we should think. You are the one drawing the word-pictures and letting them tumble out of your mind. Those words have been yours, not ours.

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Colmes had it right to start with. The apology is typical reflexive leftist spinelessness.

thuja on January 3, 2012 at 9:44 AM

i am protective of my family and i cannot stress enough just how much this would make me feel if such thing would be imposed my family.

And yet, you sit in judgement of the Santorums choice. Apparently freedom and rights only exist if it is going to be “imposed” on your family.

melle1228 on January 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Reading both the threads on this issue is quite enlightening. It’s not fair to dismiss the comments of those who have never experienced this type of tragedy or those of people who have no children or those who have no religious faith but some of you do come across as really cold heartless people. Someday when you do experience a personal tragedy I hope you get some empathy from it.

katiejane on January 3, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Human lives? Ah who cares?
/

CW on January 3, 2012 at 9:36 AM

i dont believe that a human becomes a human at moment of conception.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Colmes said the Santorums brought the baby home to play with it.

Nothing as high-minded as what this back and forth has turned into. He snarked on a very real and defensible tragedy response as a way to attack a political opponent.

JohnTant on January 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Colmes had it right to start with. The apology is typical reflexive leftist spinelessness.

thuja on January 3, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Reinforcements pouring through the door?

Yoop on January 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

This really makes me angry. I have been told by people professing to be “liberal” that I have no right to judge a woman’s decision to kill her late term fetus. I have been told that late term abortions are never conducted for convenience and that doctors like Tiller were “helping women” and should be mourned. Now we have “liberals” telling us to judge and judge harshly because the Santorums chose to mourn the loss of their child.

Alan Colmes is not a liberal in the true sense of the world. He is a leftist with no compassion for anyone who doesn’t share his PC views. And he is typical of what the Democratic Party has become.

Turtledove on January 3, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Colmes said the Santorums brought the baby home to play with it.

Nothing as high-minded as what this back and forth has turned into. He snarked on a very real and defensible tragedy response as a way to attack a political opponent.

JohnTant on January 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Actually, Colmes said the Santorums brought IT home and played with it.

Darksean on January 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM

i dont believe that a human becomes a human at moment of conception.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Let me guess, she becomes human at the moment of….”viability”?

neuquenguy on January 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

i change my mind, this is nuts. something is not ticking well inside santorum’s head.

nathor on January 3, 2012 at 7:15 AM

It’s not up to you to decide how someone should act in this situation. It was their baby, their grief, and yes, their decision. Funny how some believe that a woman aborting a baby is no one’s business but the mother but suddenly ready to comment on the parent’s actions when a baby is born. THIS situation was truly one that was the parents choice and no one elses.

As far as the doctors’ opinion: did you read recently about the man in the coma who was pronounced brain dead? Doctors can be wrong.

katablog.com on January 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM

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