New Year’s Eve night out: Why what women wear actually matters

posted at 7:00 pm on December 31, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Jazz already made a compelling case to avoid a night out altogether — and, to this day, my best New Year’s Eve memories involve watching M*A*S*H reruns with my parents until midnight and then skipping down the hall to go to sleep. But a chic party is fun, too, especially if it compels frequently-pajama-clad bloggers to dress festively. So, I’ll be the chipper to Jazz’s chill — and celebrate with those of you who do plan to go out on the town tonight. I hope y’all have a ball!

At the same time, though, I can’t help but implore my fellow females to aim for “pretty” and not “hot” tonight. Let me explain. Truthfully, I didn’t plan to write about this. We’re not a fashion blog — and, by and large, I don’t think what folks wear does matter. But, this morning, I read a brief blog post headlined “The Death of Pretty” — and I haven’t been able to stop thinking about it. This is a rather long excerpt, but it’s too good to not be shared (the whole piece is worth your time, too!):

Pretty, pretty is dying.

People will define pretty differently.  For the purposes of this piece, I define pretty as a mutually enriching balanced combination of beauty and projected innocence.

Once upon a time, women wanted to project an innocence.  I am not idealizing another age and I have no illusions about the virtues of our grandparents, concupiscence being what it is.  But some things were different in the back then.  First and foremost, many beautiful women, whatever the state of their souls, still wished to project a public innocence and virtue.  And that combination of beauty and innocence is what I define as pretty.

By nature, generally when men see this combination in women it brings out their better qualities, their best in fact.  That special combination of beauty and innocence, the pretty inspires men to protect and defend it.

Young women today do not seem to aspire to pretty, they prefer to be regarded as hot. Hotness is something altogether different.  When women want to be hot instead of pretty, they must view themselves in a certain way and consequently men view them differently as well.

As I said, pretty inspires men’s nobler instincts to protect and defend.  Pretty is cherished. Hotness, on the other hand, is a commodity.  Its value is temporary and must be used.  It is a consumable.

Nowhere is this pretty deficit more obvious than in our “stars,” the people we elevate as the “ideal.”  The stars of the fifties surely suffered from the same sin as do stars of today.  Stars of the fifties weren’t ideal but they pursued a public ideal different from today.

It’s so true — and it’s so sad. Every so often, a feminist will attempt to prove that femininity is a social construct. She’ll give her daughter a fire truck to play with and her son a Barbie doll — and, lo and behold, the little girl will wrap the truck in a baby blanket and rock it back and forth, while the little boy will force his Barbie dolls to fight. Femininity isn’t a social construct; it’s the natural complement to masculinity, written into our very bodies — and the two in combination civilize the wide world to lay the resources of the earth at the feet of even children.

Little girls gravitate to pretty. The success of the Disney princess franchise proves that. Even Sophia Grace Brownlee, the eight-year-old YouTube sensation who raps singer Nikki Minaj’s “Super Bass” word for word, appears in a tutu and tiara. But, somewhere between childhood and adulthood — or, sadly, sometimes in the midst of childhood — girls begin to think it’s an embarrassment to be innocent, to be naive.

It’s not an insult to be called naive, though — not really. The first definition of the word is “having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality.” What’s wrong with that? To encounter the natural and artless — to escape cynicism and ugliness — is to be refreshed. Yes, it’s foolish to ignore ugliness — for it’s real and revealing. But we have such a limited amount of time in a day: Why not look to the beautiful, the good, the true at least as often as we look to anything else?

Nothing reveals the time constraint on our lives quite like the passage of a year and the commencement of a new one — and even something as simple as what we wear reflects what we intend to do with our time. In 2012, will we build up or tear down? Will we strive for what is lastingly meaningful or temporarily gratifying? Will we be pretty or just hot?

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Seth Halpern on December 31, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Thank Gawd! *LOL*

TXUS on December 31, 2011 at 8:27 PM

Tina is pretty, Ed not so much. Allah, who the heck knows?!!!

Limerick on December 31, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Hey Tina–should the name of this website be changed to prettyair.com? LOL!

radjah shelduck on December 31, 2011 at 7:20 PM

prettygas.com
your so pretty pretty. your pretty stunng out for a girl. butch walker.

t8stlikchkn on December 31, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Mrs. hoofhearted: Get off the dammmmmmmmm computer.

hoofhearted: Yes dear.

Happy New Year to all. It’s been fun mixing and mingling with good like minded folks tonight.

Have fun and be safe.

2012 belongs to us.

hoofhearted on December 31, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Otay,my other son,just dropped off his two little ones,
our grand-children,for a sleep-over,so I’m off
for quality time,yes I know (Too Much info):)

**********HAPPY NEW YEAR******************************************

*************EVERYONE******************************************

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Ladies, this is not the look you’re going for

apocalypse on December 31, 2011 at 8:35 PM

Tina is pretty, Ed not so much. Allah, who the heck knows?!!!

Limerick on December 31, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Limerick:Lol,he does have kittys tho,hey Lim,have a great night,
Party Hardy,haha,catch ya tomorrow!!—————:)

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 8:36 PM

But, somewhere between childhood and adulthood — or, sadly, sometimes in the midst of childhood — girls begin to think it’s an embarrassment to be innocent, to be naive.

Girls are bombarded from all sides-media,tv, billboards and especially friends with “sexy” as the new normal. Clothing manufacturers don’t help. Ever try and find a respectable outfit for a tween or teen?

hopeful on December 31, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Ladies, this is not the look you’re going for

apocalypse on December 31, 2011 at 8:35 PM

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

On that note, I’m outta here.

hoofhearted on December 31, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Tina is pretty, Ed not so much. Allah, who the heck knows?!!!

Limerick on December 31, 2011 at 8:31 PM

i have always picture Allah as kinda like a dudue that looks like a really hammered chick. in jammies.

t8stlikchkn on December 31, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Bravo, Tina. Encore.

Another problem with ‘hot’ is that there is very little mystery left to be revealed except possible how much of that ‘hotness’ is going to turn out to be fake, or literally skin deep. Eventually, the sun rises…and the light of day dawns.

Pretty is enduring, look at Grace Kelly. Hotness is transitory, look at any stripper.

thatsafactjack on December 31, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Tina, thank you..a million times, thank you for writing this. I live in So Cal and everyone here aims to look like a plastic porn star. If you’re a normal woman, you have a much harder time of it. I hope more young ladies take heed and take their powerback.
Good job!

RadioAngel on December 31, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Neither hotness nor pretty last. Beauty is consumable, ravished by time.

Hotness reflects this reality.

I’d much rather a hot Tina (or whomever), and have her, than a pretty Tina that I’m supposed to cherish and protect while having her not.

—— that!

I can cherish a hot babe in the morning if she’s worth it inside. If not, I ain’t cherishing nothing, no matter how pretty she is.

Ladies — let’s see some cleavage and some round derrières.

Random on December 31, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Ladies — let’s see some cleavage and some round derrières.

Random on December 31, 2011 at 8:44 PM

i wanna party with THAT dude.

t8stlikchkn on December 31, 2011 at 8:46 PM

My little girl is pretty – and if she keeps on her path, she always will be, inside and out. I try to set a good example for her, even if more often than not I’m in jeans and a t-shirt. Still, there are occasions when it’s fun to dress up and look hot – I haven’t heard my husband complain yet (and it’s been 9 years to the day since our 2nd date).

Happy New Years to everyone here tonight.

Anna on December 31, 2011 at 8:46 PM

I live in So Cal and everyone here aims to look like a plastic porn star. If you’re a normal woman, you have a much harder time of it.

Wait. You’re telling me the sexier women have an easier time of it?

Get out of here!

Random on December 31, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I thought my parents were mean and evil on emphasizing modesty and a certain innocence…until I had a daughter. Suddenly, my dad’s freak outs over my skirt lengths didn’t seem so bad. Even though she’s not even two yet, it’s changed the way I dress (and act and talk and think) because she’s already starting to mimic Mommy. I find myself measuring everything I do by her eyes–and today’s cheap hotness is not what I want her looking up to as an example.

As I said, pretty inspires men’s nobler instincts to protect and defend. Pretty is cherished. Hotness, on the other hand, is a commodity. Its value is temporary and must be used. It is a consumable.

I wonder how many other women on here grew up being told by their mothers that “Pretty is as pretty does”? And I wonder if Miley or Lindsay’s mothers loved their daughters enough to tell them that or to set limits on their dress and behavior.

Pancho on December 31, 2011 at 8:47 PM

I predict that Tina will easily beat Kathleen Parker in the money earned department within two years. You go, girl; you have some serious talent going on.

platypus on December 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM

The problem with Pretty:

I feel pretty
Oh so pretty
I feel pretty and witty and gay
And I pity
Any girl who isn’t me today

I feel charming
Oh so charming
It’s alarming how charming I feel
And so pretty
That I hardly can believe I’m real

See the pretty girl in that mirror there?
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face
Such a pretty dress
Such a pretty smile
Such a pretty me!

TXUS on December 31, 2011 at 8:50 PM

i have always picture Allah as kinda like a dudue that looks like a really hammered chick. in jammies.

t8stlikchkn on December 31, 2011 at 8:38 PM

You mean like an old lesbian, don’t you? ;-)

TXUS on December 31, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Still, there are occasions when it’s fun to dress up and look hot – I haven’t heard my husband complain yet (and it’s been 9 years to the day since our 2nd date).

Anna on December 31, 2011 at 8:46 PM

And, Anna, he won’t. Believe me he won’t. But if he ever does, gimme a call. ;-)

HNY to you, too.

TXUS on December 31, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Pass… sorry, I don’t drive on Amateur nights anymore.

Amateur nights you may ask?

New Year’s Eve.
Saint Patrick’s Day.
Cinco de Mayo.

I will not go out and party on these nights… far too many drunks; and even worse inexperienced and excessive drunks out driving.

gekkobear on December 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM

Back when I was a frequent denizen of my local liquor-dispensing establshment, we had the same philosophy about Amateur Night. Too many people who don’t know how to drink getting underfoot and making the roads hazardous. And these days the cops are usually out in force trying to catch them. Not worth it.

These days I can’t drink due to medication, so I’ll wish all of you Happy Trails and a very Happy New Year.

Tina is pretty, Ed not so much. Allah, who the heck knows?!!!

Limerick on December 31, 2011 at 8:31 PM

For what it’s worth, I seem to remember Michelle Malkin once saying that Allah reminds her of Jeremy Piven. But I picture him wearing a paper bag over his head and oven mitts, after a Hot Air cartoon from the really old days of this site.

ReubenJCogburn on December 31, 2011 at 8:59 PM

yes, pretty is better because is closer to the morning look, so expectations are managed.

williampeck1958 on December 31, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Tina, was that a little Thomism thrown in there, the bit about the transcendentals? If so, bravo.

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 9:06 PM

Amen!

A good book that goes in depth on this subject: A Return to Modesty by Wendy Shalit

This isn’t just some crazy old conservative way of keeping women in the kitchen, modesty is indeed at the core of a healthy society not to mention (for us Christians) a pillar of morality.

Tina is doing such a great job so far!

demotheses on December 31, 2011 at 9:07 PM

Plugging one of the better blogs on this subject Modestly Yours.

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 9:13 PM

What the hell is this anecdotal piece?? A more than a tad condescending and MASH is an awful
show!

Skipping down the hall?

Gimme a break, kid!

Sherman1864 on December 31, 2011 at 9:18 PM

Right now I’m wearing a slightly over-sized USS Midway tee, room faded jeans shorts, rather worn green Keen sandals(the kind w/the closed toe) my chin-length burgundy hair is topped with a faded Cubs cap. My hair almost clashes with the frame of my glasses…almost. Because I’m packing us to drive home from So. Cal to west Texas tomorrow I look like a cute little MODEST mutt.
Normally I wear jeans and tees. Sure-I’m an uber tomboy but I can ‘turn it on’ when I want. I’d rather reserve that for my husband eyes ONLY. I don’t do ‘public consumption’.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:20 PM

I don’t do ‘public consumption’.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Except on New Year’s Eve on certain blogs, right? :)

platypus on December 31, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Women who dress modestly get along better with women…& with men.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/modesty-helps-women-be-friends

itsnotaboutme on December 31, 2011 at 9:24 PM

It’s not an insult to be called naive… The first definition of the word is “having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality.” What’s wrong with that? To encounter the natural and artless — to escape cynicism and ugliness — is to be refreshed. Yes, it’s foolish to ignore ugliness — for it’s real and revealing. But we have such a limited amount of time in a day: Why not look to the beautiful, the good, the true at least as often as we look to anything else?

That is absolutely beautiful, Tina!

Nothing reveals the time constraint on our lives quite like the passage of a year and the commencement of a new one — and even something as simple as what we wear reflects what we intend to do with our time. In 2012, will we build up or tear down?

Awesome! Thank you, Tina, for inspiring readers to build up, not tear down. Truly, this is a spiritual issue at it’s root: One side wants to build up, the other side wants to tear down:

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

John 10:10

I love how you finish, Tina:

Will we strive for what is lastingly meaningful or temporarily gratifying? Will we be pretty or just hot?

Will we, both women and men, seek the best in ourselves in 2012?

Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy — meditate on these things.

Philippians 4:8

ITguy on December 31, 2011 at 9:27 PM

platypus on December 31, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Only if one of my sister-in-law’s still has some Bailey’s left.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Jeans and a long-sleeved t-shirt on, baby sleeping in the nursery, and casserole in the oven. Probably will have a glass of sparkling wine at midnight with the hubby. I can honestly say this is the best New Year’s Eve ever. The partying thing got old fast, at least for me.

BakerAllie on December 31, 2011 at 9:30 PM

This may be an interesting topic for another holiday, but its misapplied on New Years.

Tonight is not a night for decorum, or to be lady-like. No guy expects to meet his future wife tonight. People going out are getting smashed and looking for a partner to do the dirty.

swamp_yankee on December 31, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Spoken like a young horndog. That’s OK, no woman expects to find a quality potential mate among drunkards.

disa on December 31, 2011 at 9:32 PM

ITguy on December 31, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Any woman who dresses like a two-bit wh**re is saying that she lacks self-respect . I know who I am. I like who I am. I have no need to show myself to the world just to get it’s approval.
I hope that the sexiest part of me….is my mind.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM

This post is so true.

And I say this as a pretty woman who was oncit a woman’s libber of the highest order.

I hated for men to be attracted to me for my looks but hated when they weren’t.

I think it’s very telling that the conservative women are much more attractive than their liberal counterparts. Liberals are unhappy mean people. Unhappy and mean people are ugly inside and out.

As for being “hot”, please, it’s cheap and slutty, let’s not mince words here.

patfish on December 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM

I don’t do ‘public consumption’.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Perfect. I don’t publicly consume. Quit that a long time ago, but I’m sure there are some pictures out there. WTH, she was beauty queen contestant so what could I do? Safe travels and HNY!!!

TXUS on December 31, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Any woman who dresses like a two-bit wh**re is saying that she lacks self-respect . I know who I am. I like who I am. I have no need to show myself to the world just to get it’s approval.
I hope that the sexiest part of me….is my mind.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Easy there, west Texas fireball. :)

platypus on December 31, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Finally, someone at a conservative blog takes a stand for traditional values!

Careful Tina, you’ve been engaged less than a week and are already sounding like a fun-hater. I wish you all the best, but don’t turn into one of those young married women who looks down their noses at every gal who doesn’t meet their impeccable standards for decorum – I’ve seen it happen to too many women I know, and pretty it ain’t.

King B on December 31, 2011 at 9:43 PM

patfish on December 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Some college-age kids checked into the Hotel we’ve been staying at. I just left our room to go check our laundry and immediately saw a girl dressed to go out…wearing less material than I wear to bed. Sick.
I’m glad I have a son-and i’ve glad that he’s been raised to look seek young ladies that are of better character than what I just saw.
Yeah-at 41 I’m a biddie. I felt them same way at 20.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:45 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Sorry for the typos. Wish I could blame them on booze-but I can’t. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:47 PM

As for being “hot”, please, it’s cheap and slutty, let’s not mince words here.

patfish on December 31, 2011 at 9:37 PM

To a guy, “pretty” is almost always “hot”, or at least it makes us so in the caliente sense. But, to your point, “hot” alone is seldom “pretty” and is the least desirable of the two. But, put a few drinks in a guy, and the lines do get blurred. Some of us don’t even need the chemical enhancement.

TXUS on December 31, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Wish I could blame them on booze-but I can’t. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Why not? Everybody here is probably loaded on something.

platypus on December 31, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Well written, Tina.

Happy New Year to all!!!

AH_C on December 31, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Careful Tina, you’ve been engaged less than a week and are already sounding like a fun-hater. I wish you all the best, but don’t turn into one of those young married women who looks down their noses at every gal who doesn’t meet their impeccable standards for decorum – I’ve seen it happen to too many women I know, and pretty it ain’t.

Like she would do anything else. I’ve got her number.

Random on December 31, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Happy New Year to all…..

Here’s a good ol’ lang syne song….tears are optional

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhjYbfK9vrk

Rov

Rovin on December 31, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Some college-age kids
checked into the Hotel we’ve
been staying at. I just left
our room to go check our
laundry and immediately
saw a girl dressed to go
out…wearing less material
than I wear to bed. Sick.
I’m glad I have a son-and
i’ve glad that he’s been
raised to look seek young
ladies that are of better
character than what I just
saw.
Yeah-at 41 I’m a biddie. I
felt them same way at 20.
annoyinglittletwerp on
December 31, 2011 at 9:45
PM

You know, it really is a terrible thing to just waste yourself on some drunken moron who couldn’t care less about you. As the older brother of an eligible (and well-behaved) bachelorette, I really don’t get how some men can live with themselves. Real manhood consists of leading, providing, and PROTECTING. The last guy who tried something with my sister got a black eye (from me) and a car full of fish guts and doe urine (from her best friend).

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Like she would do anything else. I’ve got her number.

Random on December 31, 2011 at 10:07 PM

I doubt you have anybody’s number.

sharrukin on December 31, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 10:08 PM

My brother still can’t believe that I found ANYONE to try something with me.
*Been married twice and bro is a dope-head, Naderite idiot*

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Sorry for the typos. Wish I could blame them on booze-but I can’t. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Well, if it’s not the booze causing it, then I’ve just become disallusioned about your capabilities, young lady.
FOR SHAME.

There’s only one way I can see, to handle the extreme disapointment I’m feeling right now.

I’m breaking off all contact with you, until NEXT YEAR.

Happy New Year! : )

listens2glenn on December 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM

sharrukin on December 31,
2011 at 10:11 PM

Burrrnnnnn lol

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 10:18 PM

As the parent of a four-year old girl, thank you Tina.

Shump on December 31, 2011 at 10:21 PM

As I said, pretty inspires men’s nobler instincts to protect and defend. Pretty is cherished. Hotness, on the other hand, is a commodity. Its value is temporary and must be used. It is a consumable.

Does that mean we can use the “hot” girls and not feel bad about it? I kid, I kid.

thebrokenrattle on December 31, 2011 at 10:23 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on
December 31, 2011 at 10:16
PM

Sounds like a doofus to me. Too bad. Sibling relationships can be pretty great.

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 10:26 PM

The last guy who tried something with my sister got a black eye (from me) and a car full of fish guts and doe urine (from her best friend).

Nom de Boom on December 31, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Ah, that explains what happened to Random…

yubley on December 31, 2011 at 11:00 PM

In lower manhattan. Just got ridiculed for saying a girl worth her salt won’t give “it” up easily.

Apparently that’s unreasonable. Apparently in manhattan a woman is expected to bang it out within the first three dates.

blatantblue on December 31, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Reminds me
Why I hate these people

blatantblue on December 31, 2011 at 11:07 PM

I mean listen if some gorgeous girl wants to do the deed immediately, fine.

But she ain’t companion material

blatantblue on December 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM

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Virginia AG Intervenes in GOP Ballot Dispute as Blocked Candidates Join Suit

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Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is intervening in his state’s presidential primary dispute and plans to file emergency legislation to address the inability of most Republican presidential candidates to get their name on the ballot, Fox News has learned.

Meanwhile, four GOP candidates on Saturday joined fellow candidate Rick Perry’s lawsuit against the state, urging the Board of Elections to either allow them on the ballot or at least refrain from taking any action until a Jan. 13 court hearing.

Only Mitt Romney and Ron Paul qualified for the Virginia primary, a contest with 49 delegates up for grabs. Perry and the four candidates joining the lawsuit — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman — did not.

The failure of other candidates to qualify led to complaints that the 10,000-signature requirement is too stringent.

Cuccinelli, who is a Republican, shared the concerns and plans to take them to the legislature while the candidates work through the courts.

“Recent events have underscored that our system is deficient,” he said in a statement Saturday. “Virginia owes her citizens a better process. We can do it in time for the March primary if we resolve to do so quickly.”

Cuccinelli’s proposal is expected to state that if the Virginia Board of Elections certifies that a candidate is receiving federal matching funds, or has qualified to receive them, that candidate will upon request be automatically added to the ballot.

Two former Democratic attorneys general are backing the move, along with a former Democratic state party chairman and a former Republican state party chairman.

Former state Attorney General Tony Troy called the Virginia process a “legal and constitutional embarrassment.” Fellow former top Virginia prosecutor Steve Rosenthal said: “This is not a Democratic or Republican issue. If it takes emergency legislation, then we need to do it.”

A spokesman for Virginia Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell appeared to defend the state’s strict ballot rules, but opened the door to reexamining them.
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canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:03 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Jeans and a long-sleeved t-shirt on, baby sleeping in the nursery, and casserole in the oven. Probably will have a glass of sparkling wine at midnight with the hubby. I can honestly say this is the best New Year’s Eve ever. The partying thing got old fast, at least for me.

BakerAllie on December 31, 2011 at 9:30 PM

If you are still on or check back, I want to tell you that was the best post of the night—at least for me. You sound like a keeper. Maybe there is still hope for this country.

arnold ziffel on December 31, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Neither hotness nor pretty last. Beauty is consumable, ravished by time.

Random on December 31, 2011 at 8:44 PM

My wife, the mother of my 8 children, is more beautiful now than the day I met her 25 years ago.

And no, that’s not hyperbole. I was thinking exactly that this evening before I even read your post.

Happy New Year to All.

PackerBronco on December 31, 2011 at 11:11 PM

Pics or it didn’t happen..

rgrovr on December 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:03 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM

Don’t know what we’d do without you Can…..Happy New Year

Rovin on December 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Any woman who dresses like a two-bit wh**re is saying that she lacks self-respect . I know who I am. I like who I am. I have no need to show myself to the world just to get it’s approval.
I hope that the sexiest part of me….is my mind.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:35 PM

It’s too bad your modesty seems to so often apply to concealing the latter.

RachDubya on December 31, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Agree with the thrust of your point, Tina. B

ut I have a hot wife who wears short-shorts and tight tops and can put a round through the ass of a fly at 200 meters.

So, I guess it’s hard to generalize. ;)

CorporatePiggy on December 31, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Raw Video: US Troops Ring in 2012 in Afghanistan
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Published on Dec 31, 2011 by AssociatedPress

US soldiers and those serving with the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan celebrated the New Year at the NATO base in Kabul, Afghanistan on Saturday. (Dec. 31)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM2pSaipa2s

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Women wearing skimpy clothing is to be celebrated.

To paraphrase Dr. King, I have a dream when people are judged not by their lack of clothing but by the content of their character.

But please, fat girls – wear black and cover up. Corneas are hard to repair.

CorporatePiggy on December 31, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Evenin’ folks.

Got a screwdriver in hand (Absolut), and shrimp and champagne waiting in the wings.

Happy New Year to all, friends and adversaries alike.

predator on December 31, 2011 at 11:28 PM

predator on December 31, 2011 at 11:31 PM

RachDubya on December 31, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Don’t you have a mother that chose to bottle-feed that you need to harrass?
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annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 11:37 PM

What’s wrong with pretty on the inside, hot on the outside?

Ultimately it all comes down to confidence. Hot insecurity is unattractive….. eventually.

Socmodfiscon on December 31, 2011 at 11:37 PM

Right now I’m wearing a slightly over-sized USS Midway tee, room faded jeans shorts, rather worn green Keen sandals(the kind w/the closed toe) my chin-length burgundy hair is topped with a faded Cubs cap. My hair almost clashes with the frame of my glasses…almost. Because I’m packing us to drive home from So. Cal to west Texas tomorrow I look like a cute little MODEST mutt.
Normally I wear jeans and tees. Sure-I’m an uber tomboy but I can ‘turn it on’ when I want. I’d rather reserve that for my husband eyes ONLY. I don’t do ‘public consumption’.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Everyman’s dream to watch his wife typing on the internet while wearing his clothes.

Socmodfiscon on December 31, 2011 at 11:45 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM
Don’t know what we’d do without you Can…..Happy New Year

Rovin on December 31, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Rovin:Thanks Rovin,anything breaking,politcally related,I’ll post
and,

Happy New Year,to you and family!:)

canopfor on December 31, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Excellent article, just excellent! I agree with it 100%

beachgirlusa on December 31, 2011 at 11:50 PM

Apparently that’s unreasonable. Apparently in manhattan a woman is expected to bang it out within the first three dates.

blatantblue on December 31, 2011 at 11:05 PM

Of course it’s unreasonable. If she isn’t putting out by the end of the third date, she must be getting it somewhere else, or she’s frigid.

Once a culture has accepted the premise sex that is not being done for the express purpose of procreating must be just for fun rather than for strengthening an emotional bond, that bloody minded view of dating follows naturally. Why on earth would a woman with a normal sex drive ever be doing without?

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 11:57 PM

8-7-6-5-4-4-4-3-2-1………Happy New Year!

Rovin on January 1, 2012 at 12:00 AM

No Happy New Year thread on HA. Epic fail.
But, Happy New Year to all anyhoo.

predator on January 1, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Any woman who dresses like a two-bit wh**re is saying that she lacks self-respect.

– TWERP

That statement is highly subjective. What exactly is your point?

bettycooper on January 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Socmodfiscon on December 31, 2011 at 11:45 PM

MY clothes. My husband weighs 240-I weigh…117.
Can’t wear his clothes except as nigh shirts.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2012 at 12:20 AM

– TWERP

That statement is highly subjective. What exactly is your point?

bettycooper on January 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM

She’s saying she’s pushing 40, about 30 lbs overweight, and would frighten my cattle if she rocked up wearing a crop top and hot pants.

That’s ok though, I’m sure she’s a nice person.

CorporatePiggy on January 1, 2012 at 12:23 AM

bettycooper on January 1, 2012 at 12:13 AM

My point is that a women who respects herself will most likely not want to show her…wares to the entire universe. I’m proud of the fact that I’ve got a fairly athletic body. I walk-a lot-and it’s paid off. My husband likes it too-but I can show it off w/o being immodest or looking like Dana Carvey’s ‘Church Lady’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2012 at 12:24 AM

CorporatePiggy on January 1, 2012 at 12:23 AM

5’2 1/2, 117(maybe 118) lbs, wear a 6-8 petite. I’m also 41…and an absolute b***** on wheels.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 1, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Excellent article, just excellent! I agree with it 100%

beachgirlusa on December 31, 2011

I bet you look smokin’ in a bikini. Or your burqini. Or whatever it is you prefer to wear to stay “modest”.

Random on January 1, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Don’t you have a mother that chose to bottle-feed that you need to harrass?
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annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2011 at 11:37 PM

As I recall, it was you calling breastfeeding gross and disgusting, not the other way around.

And as for self-respect, I’d say generally woman who show modesty don’t do a “ooh, so what are you wearing, baby” type description of themselves on the internet. I know you’re fond of oversharing, but I’d think even you could see the irony in posting stuff like that in the same thread as your immodest boasts of modesty.

RachDubya on January 1, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Just turned on Dick Clark’s New Year and Lady Gaga was grabbing her crotch and thrusting it at the camera.

I think of all the old folks who remember a better America and who tuned into Dick Clark and just saw the filth being broadcast as our representative idol.

Glad my folks are an hour behind so I can call them and tell them to turn on the country-music New Year show.

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 12:49 AM

I am starting to harden my opinion that broadcast TV distills the filth in the human species, and amplifies it.

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM

How you dress says how much you respect yourself. That’s true for women or men, since modesty applies to both.

Men should never find themselves in public without long-sleeved shirts (even if the sleeves are rolled up for hot weather) and pants. A suitjacket is preferable for professional situations.
Out (excepting for beach/pool/gym):
Shorts
Sandals
T-shirts

The amount of skin bared by women should be no more than that bared by men. What feminist came up with the idea that women should bare half their skin? How does this show any self-respect, or adherence to any kind of value system where the woman is worth anything more than her body?
Out (excepting for beach/pool/gym):
Shorts (mini or otherwise)
Skirts/dresses less than ankle-length (if men don’t wear pants exposing their calves, why should women?)
Baby-doll t-shirts
Blouses with shorter than 3/4 sleeves (which, like men’s shirts, can be rolled up for warmer weather)
V-necks
Any cleavage
Any blouse showing more chest skin than a men’s shirt would show.
Any top showing midriffs

The only reason the women’s list is longer is because society has given women more ways to reveal themselves.

Why does it seem sometimes like I am the only one in our Godforsaken society who thinks that modesty is respectful, not misogynist? Misogyny is treating women like dirt, not wishing that they could elevate themselves past petty displays of sexuality.

solatic on January 1, 2012 at 12:55 AM

solatic on January 1, 2012 at 12:55 AM

Is that you, Jim Bob Duggar????/

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2012 at 1:02 AM

I’m reminded of one of Groucho Marx’s witticisms, spoken totally in jest: Women should be obscene and not heard.” Gotta agree with cane_loader and mention that I am so glad Madam Rants-A-Lot and I decided to ditch network TV a few years ago. How pathetic of Lady Gaga to do this with herself on live TV, and I say this as someone in my early 40s.

Sir Rants-A-Lot on January 1, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Men should never find themselves in public without long-sleeved shirts (even if the sleeves are rolled up for hot weather) and pants. A suitjacket is preferable for professional situations.
Out (excepting for beach/pool/gym):
Shorts
Sandals
T-shirts

The amount of skin bared by women should be no more than that bared by men. What feminist came up with the idea that women should bare half their skin? How does this show any self-respect, or adherence to any kind of value system where the woman is worth anything more than her body?

[snip]

Is that Mitt’s Mormon dress code, to be revealed after the election?
/

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I gots to hand it to Mrs. Duggar.

Usually, a sheik wears out four wives making that kind of mark on the gene pool!!

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:24 AM

I do find that, when someone is trying to look like a “hottie” at work, it takes a tiny extra bit of effort to respect whatever technical point the person is making. And that includes the males as well.

unclesmrgol on January 1, 2012 at 1:27 AM

I gots to hand it to Mrs. Duggar.

Usually, a sheik wears out four wives making that kind of mark on the gene pool!!

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:24 AM

You know, when those kids get older, some of them had better move away. You don’t think their town’s gonna get a bit tired of seeing a Duggar everywhere they turn?

Give it a generation or two, and that family can kick everyone else off the island.

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:29 AM

How pathetic of Lady Gaga to do this with herself on live TV, and I say this as someone in my early 40s.

Sir Rants-A-Lot on January 1, 2012 at 1:07 AM

At least just quit grabbing the vagina!

For bequeathing this to our culture, Michael Jackson deserves to be in Hell.

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:32 AM

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Yeah, she’s Fertile Myrtle all right. Not many American (or European) women would willingly turn their reproductive organs into a Six Flags kiddie water slide./

Happy New Year! :)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Comment got ate.

I was saying to Sir Rants-A-Lot, at least Gaga could have kept her hand off her moneymaker. For that one vulgar move he bequeathed our culture, Michael Jackson can rest in Hell.

cane_loader on January 1, 2012 at 1:36 AM

How you dress says how much you respect yourself. That’s true for women or men, since modesty applies to both.

Men should never find themselves in public without a three piece suit (remember, the jacket is never off, even in hot weather), a white shirt, a tie (either rep or solid), black socks, and black dress shoes. A black bow tie, cummerbund, white gloves, and gold-chain secured modest pocket watch [not one similar to that given to the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz] are preferable for more formal situations — such as helping the neighbor clean his cement pond.
Out (excepting for beach/pool/gym):
Casual jackets
Penny loafers
Short sleeve shirts
Colored shirts
Sneakers
Shorts
Sandals
T-shirts
Jock straps
Sweat

unclesmrgol on January 1, 2012 at 1:41 AM

Hmm…On second thought, whatever the Duggars are doing, at least the Missus didn’t purposely turn her reproductive organs into an Octomom-esque Clown Car.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Different types who wear a day coat, pants with stripes
and cutaway coat, perfect fits,
Puttin’ on the ritz.

Dressed up like a million dollar trouper
Trying hard to look like Gary Cooper (super duper)

Come let’s mix where Rockefellers walk with sticks
or “umberellas” in their mitts,
Puttin’ on the ritz.

Have you seen the well-to-do up and down Park Avenue
On that famous thoroughfare with their noses in the air
High hats and Arrow collars white spats and lots of dollars
Spending every dime for a wonderful time

If you’re blue and you don’t know where to go to
why don’t you go where fashion sits,
Puttin’ on the ritz.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Hmm…On second thought, whatever the Duggars are doing, at least the Missus didn’t purposely turn her reproductive organs into an Octomom-esque Clown Car.
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2012 at 1:45 AM

The Duggars are modest, right?

aryeung on January 1, 2012 at 2:08 AM

aryeung on January 1, 2012 at 2:08 AM

Yes. They are. In that very modern “exploit-your-family-on-a-reality-show” way.

Happy New Year!
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 1, 2012 at 2:21 AM

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