It’s never too early to play The Blame Game

posted at 11:45 am on December 31, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

There’s an old saying that success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan.  That’s not entirely true; when a big enterprise fails, it usually produces a thousand claims for paternity for someone else.  Normally people wait for the failure to actually happen first, but sometimes there are good reasons to get ahead of the curve — as Rick Perry’s campaign did with a series of leaks to Politico:

With a revamped message and a significant TV presence here, Rick Perry is hoping to revive his disappointing presidential campaign with a surprise finish Tuesday.

But even as they hold out hope that Perry can find a way back into contention, some of his advisers have begun laying the groundwork to explain how the Texas governor bombed so dramatically in a race that he seemed to control for a brief period upon entering the race in August.

For those who watched the debates, the culprit is obvious — the candidate himself.  It wasn’t his handlers that fumbled rehearsed attack lines and had to say “Oops” when the candidate lost his train of thought in the middle of an answer.  None of that, by the way, is a disqualifier for office, either.  Perry has successfully governed Texas for more than a decade, because governing takes an entirely different skill set than these game-show debates do, which is one of my biggest gripes about them.  However, the debates matter, and Perry did poorly in them, which was the catalyst to his polling collapse.

Several members of Team Perry now claim that Perry wasn’t the real problem:

Yet the view of the outsiders who took over Perry’s campaign is that the candidate was set up for failure by an insular group led by Dave Carney, the governor’s longtime political guru, which thought they could run a presidential campaign like a larger version of a gubernatorial race and didn’t take the basic steps needed to professionalize the operation until the candidate was already sinking.

“They put the campaign together like all the other Perry campaigns: raise a bunch of money, don’t worry about the [media coverage], don’t worry about debates and buy the race on TV,” said a top Perry official. “You have to be a total rube to think a race for president is the same as a race for governor.”

Because Perry had never been defeated in his career in state politics — and came from behind to crush Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in last year’s Texas gubernatorial primary — his Texas operation projected an air of supreme self-assurance and indifference to outside advice.

Carney, a longtime GOP strategist who worked for Bush 41’s presidential campaigns, declined to comment for this story.

“I don’t think so,” he said in response to an email asking to get his side. “Not much good can come from process stories like this.”

Given Perry’s rise in the polls in Iowa — he’s back in double digits, just behind Santorum and just ahead of Gingrich in the two most recent polls — one might wonder why the campaign has provoked what looks like an internecine fight.  That’s not really what this is, though.  In order for Perry to regain credibility as a contender, and especially as a Not-Romney who can take on Barack Obama, the collapse of his campaign in October has to be laid at the feet of someone other than Rick Perry.

Carney probably doesn’t appreciate that he’s being made out to be the fall guy, especially since the early team did a pretty good job until the debate flubs started; they raised $17 million in the first seven weeks, but made a couple of questionable strategic decisions about going negative before truly introducing Perry to the national audience, which didn’t help, either.  Carney’s experienced enough to know that the new team has to distance Perry from the failure if Perry wants to seriously compete for the long haul, though, and getting into a public debate over the failure won’t help Perry to accomplish that.

Besides, the new team arrived in October.  Which Perry team was most responsible for fumbling the ballot qualifications for Virginia’s primary in mid-December? The blame for that can’t fall on Carney, at least not entirely or even mostly.


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I won’t go as far as TheRightMan in declaring I’ll vote Obama over Romney. I will NOT vote for a Democrat. Period. But I do agree with him that Mitt and IMO Newt as well, will drive conservatism and the GOP off a bigger cliff than Bush did. I do not want to share responsibility for that by voting for the lesser of two evils…again. There comes a time when you have to say,”I’m not voting for evil again!” I’m not here to advance the Republican Party. I’m here to support the conservative/libertarian cause by voting my conscience for the good of my country as I see it. In 2000 I wanted Forbes. He dropped out and I supported Bush over McCain and voted against Gore by voting Bush. In ’04 I voted against Kerry. I voted against Obama. I’m tired of voting against. Perry and Santorum are the only candidates left I can vote for.

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:06 PM

TheRightMan

You really should let go of this “hate” thing re people who aren’t enamored of Perry. “Hate” is more of a demoncrat attack word.

I don’t hate Perry. Or for that matter, any of the remaining Six Dwarfs.

Why Palin and Cain and not Perry? Palin’s husband never went around saying God wanted Sarah to run. And Cain didn’t spend most of his time staring into a camera after his aides told everyone how smart he was.

Little irritants that grow daily. Plus, in my case, Perry is such an easy target for humor. You might say it’s not funny, but I enjoy it as an audience of one and my ratings during sweep week with my audience hovered at 100%

That being said, I still have no dog in this hunt. Politics is a fun hobby and part of my undergraduate degree. (Neither my B.S. or my graduate degree are from the U. of Nebraska, so don’t start the corn shucking crap again.

I am a Monarchist and rarely, if ever, vote. Last two votes were Reagan. Would have voted for Sarah or Cain.

Believe the monarchy of the Eastern Roman Empire and the Adoptive Monarchy in the Western Empire that culminated in Marcus Aurelius were great governments. Our government is now rapidly descending from a republic to a democracy, which, according to Aristotle, is rule by the momentary passions of the mob.

With that, I should add that history shows that neither Rome or Constantinople ever crowned an A%M Yell Boy as Emperor. Would love to have seen Ol’Rick in the Colusseum in Rome with his flannel whites and a megaphone yelling, “Go, Gladiators! Git ‘em”

Wild Turkey should never be taken in jest.

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I wish the anti-Palinites would stop campaigning against her.

She’s not in the mix anymore….get over her.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM

The teacher unions really hated NO Child Left Behind.

It did have some accountability measures in it, I would assume, based on their hatred of it.

NCLB exposed the intentions of the teacher’s unions when they are more concerned about “unfunded mandates” i.e “where’s the money?” than improved educational outcomes for their students.

Bluray on December 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM

Jooana,

You don’t know anything about Christie and Mitch Daniels record if you hink they are true conservatives.

Nobody’s dumping on them for simply not being from the south.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 1:57 PM

It’s because they aren’t from the South and don’t pander to religious freaks.

Daniels was probably the most conservative governor in American in the last 40 years.

Can you name a couple of policies or policy options of Daniels tenure that you’d label as not conservative.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Perry is done, and was done the moment he said “oops”. If you can’t remember a government agency you want to cut on the debate stage, you have no business being there.

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 1:58 PM

From the Iowa Bus Tour…

“I spent the day on the road for Rick Perry, from 8:30 a.m. until well into the evening, returning to Des Moines after even the Wendy’s dining room was closed (I grabbed a chicken sandwich in the drive-through). Meeting up with the Rick Perry bus tour in Waterloo, I can report that the crowds are quite large. It was a snowing and raining day in eastern Iowa, so the great turnout was very encouraging. All Iowans who I spoke to were strongly for Perry or just recently changed their minds, after seeing Perry’s presentation. Perry’s stump speech, performed after a heartfelt introduction by his wife Anita, was flawless.

I left the bus tour and the great pizza at Doughy Joey’s in Waterloo and struck out on my own trail meeting with Iowans who have agreed to become caucus leaders. you can see the pictures of my trip on the Rick Perry Report Facebook page…

The caucus leaders for Perry I am meeting are heavy-hitters in their communities, too. I met a popular book author, a gun show organizer, a future lawyer studying for his bar exam, a city council member, an Iowa caucus chairman (as in, he runs the caucus), and an entire family–four generations–of Perry supporters. All will be leading the caucus in their precinct for Rick Perry.”

http://rickperryreport.com/article/2011-12-31/rick-perry-bus-tour-day-12-momentum-has-caught

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Yeah,

Daniels raised taxes first thing as govenor.

His healthcare scheme is as bad as Romneycare, but it’s more insidious because it’s not as apparenet.

He’s raised taxes on cigarettes to fund his healthcare scheme (he’s playing morality police, isn’t he?)

His healthcare scheme is going to create deficits in Indiana and the kicker is that he will receive money from the federal government to subsidize it. In other words, taxpayers in other states get to pay for HoosierCare.

Daniels also supported a ban on smoking in private restaurants and bars. Not exactly a conservative-liberterian point of view, is it?

He’s been weak as hell on blasting Obamacare.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:12 PM

I am a Monarchist and rarely, if ever, vote.
Horace on December 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM

The UK is looking for their missing idiot

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Perry should be in the top 2 right now if he was legit.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 1:27 PM

Yeah just like Ron Paul/

Dr Evil on December 31, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Alas, “identity politics” is why some big government Christians like Perry and Santorum (or W) are considered conservatives and true conservatives, with conservative records, like Christie and Daniels are bashed as CINOs.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 1:55 PM

Christie is NOT a conservative, and there’s no pretending, the policies aren’t even close.

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Christie is weak on illegal immigrattion, gun rights, abortion.

He supported the Muslim mosque being built at ground zero in manhatten.

He has supported global warming regulations like cap n trade.

There’s more on him that I can’t remember at this point.

It’s hard to say he’s a conservative if he’s promoting Romney for president, unless you think Romney governed like a conservative. :)

Just b/c you hate religious people doesn’t mean Christie and Daniels are true conservatives.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Perry should be able to beat a represenative from his own state, if he knew what he was doing.

It’s not like Ron Paul doesn’t have baggage.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Romney, Romney O’ Bamney

What happens if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in Iowa? Again?

Dr Evil on December 31, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Christie is NOT a conservative, and there’s no pretending, the policies aren’t even close.

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Her point is actually suggesting that Christie and Daniels record wise have no more flaws than Perry or Santorum do. The difference is that guys like Christie and Daniels were treated to a different standard than other candidates or proposed candidates were.

Having Christie, Daniels, and Jindal in this field would have improved Romney, Perry, and the others over time in comparison to Bachmann or Cain.

Bluray on December 31, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Perry is done, and was done the moment he said “oops”. If you can’t remember a government agency you want to cut on the debate stage, you have no business being there.

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 1:58 PM

We already have a president that excels on the debate stage. It’s working out so great!
/

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:18 PM

workingclass artist

I can see why you have the word “class” in your screen name. You epitomize it. Good that at least some Hot Gas post such as you still maintain high standards of discourse.

I feel so inadequate.

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 2:21 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:05 PM

There they go again. I DON’T want length in office or State population.

I want substantive accomplishments and records.
I want energy independence.
I want ethics reform.
I want fighting corruption and crony capitalism.
I want reduced spending for every fiscal year.
I want a balance budget for every fiscal year.
I want a surplus for every budget year.

Sarah Palin did all of this in 2 1/2 years. Mock her all you want, call quitter, half-term, all the names. She DID all of this in 2 1/2 years!

How many energy pipelines has Perry negotiated in 10 years?
How many ethics reform has Perry passed in 10 years?
How many corrupt officials and crony capitalists has Perry fought in 10 years?
How many years in 10 did Perry reduce spending?
How many years in 10 did Perry balance a budget?
How many years in 10 did Perry leave a surplus?

How many of these has Perry done in 10 years as governor of a State whose capitol population is larger than Alaska?

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Obama’s not a good debater. I don’t where people got this impression.

Nobody even remembers the Obama-McCain debates.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:22 PM

HerneTheHunter

Good post and comparisons.

But, considering where it was directed, all I can say a coherent response should not be something Perry will ask God for on your request.

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Why are people still campainging for and against Palin?

She’s not in the mix this year. Let her go.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Perry should be able to beat a represenative from his own state, if he knew what he was doing.

It’s not like Ron Paul doesn’t have baggage.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Unless the Texas duo are double timing the competition. The ole Texas two step :)

Dr Evil on December 31, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Dr. Tesla

Because it is as easy to jerk chains and rattle cages on this site with Palin as it is by calling Perry a “rodeo clown.”

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Daniels puts in place measures to lower the cost of health insurance plans for state workers and Medicaid recipients and somehow that becomes a liberal policy.

Perry spends billions of others people money subsidizing the corporations he likes (mostly those of his friends) but he’s a conservative hero.

Message to republican elected officials: socialism is okay for many in your base as long as you shoot coyotes and pray in public.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 2:31 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I’m sure he’s getting some love in Iowa. My comment was simply about the fact that he was not prepared to run for president. It takes years to prepare to run. Look at Obama. He spent his whole senate term learning to run and running for president. Perry worked and governed for a living and decided to run on those merits, and he thought those would carry him through. Wrong.

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Mitt Romney isn’t the only Republican presidential hopeful with an Obamacare problem: Indiana governor Mitch Daniels, were he to become the GOP’s nominee, could also undermine the repeal campaign that has united the party’s base and independent voters.

To be sure, Daniels’s Obamacare problem is less obvious than Romney’s; the law that Romney signed as governor of Massachusetts in 2006 is essentially identical to Obamacare. It sent insurance premiums higher and left Massachusetts struggling with runaway Medicaid spending. Romney’s stubborn “no apology” stance on his own law could sink the repeal effort by making it appear unprincipled and political. President Obama is already laying the groundwork, most recently by reminding the National Governors Association that Romney remains “proud” of Romneycare.

But Mitch Daniels’s record also bears similarities to Obama’s, and his approach to Obamacare as governor has been an anchor on the repeal movement. Like Obama, Daniels increased cigarette taxes to expand government-run health care. Whereas Obamacare requires states to open their Medicaid programs to families of four earning $31,000 (138 percent of the federal poverty level), Daniels expanded Indiana’s Medicaid program to families of four earning $44,000 (200 percent of poverty). From 2008 to 2010, Indiana’s Medicaid enrollment spiked: Adult enrollments grew 21 percent, a rate nearly double the national average. By 2010, Daniels had enrolled another 62,000 Hoosiers in government-run health care.

Daniels and his conservative fans make much of the fact that this “Healthy Indiana Plan” (HIP) offers high-deductible coverage combined with a taxpayer-funded health savings account, whereas Obamacare simply expands traditional Medicaid with its notoriously lousy access to care. But that’s just another way of saying Daniels made Medicaid more attractive: Under his plan, the government hands out coverage plus something a lot like cash.

Conservatives should not consider it a selling point, then, that 94 percent of HIP enrollees are satisfied with the program, or that HIP enjoys a much higher retention rate than the regular Medicaid program, or that HIP’s waiting list is now 50,000 Hoosiers long. Health savings accounts are supposed to reduce dependence on government. Daniels is using HSAs to expand dependence on government.

Also like Obamacare, HIP is fiscally unsound and pushes states’ Medicaid costs onto federal taxpayers. Every $1 Indiana spends on HIP triggers at least $2 of spending by the federal government; no matter what state you call home, you’re paying for Mitch Daniels’s government-run health-care plan. Even so, an independent review found that Daniels’s cigarette-tax hike hasn’t kept pace with Indiana’s share of the spending, and further cost overruns may be on the horizon. If Obamacare remains on the books, Daniels wants to put all new Medicaid enrollees into HIP, with the feds paying 100 percent of the cost.

Meanwhile, Daniels is stunting both the momentum for repeal of Obamacare and his credibility as a standard-bearer for it. Indiana was party to a lawsuit in which a federal judge declared the entire law unconstitutional and void. That court order relieved Daniels of any obligations Obamacare creates. Shortly after that ruling, however, Daniels orchestrated a letter co-signed by 20 other governors suggesting “improvements” that they would like to see before implementing their own Obamacare bureaucracies. While those changes would effectively gut much of the law, they would leave Obamacare’s entitlement spending intact, and would even allow governors to offload the cost of their Medicaid programs onto taxpayers in other states.

The letter’s biggest flaw may be strategic. “Why is Governor Daniels,” wrote Pacific Research Institute health-care expert John R. Graham, “extending the hand of peace . . . when Obamacare has been mortally wounded in the courts and the U.S. House of Representatives?”

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:36 PM

“Conversations with voters suggest Perry’s rising numbers are a result of his 14-day bus tour across the state that gives him a chance to display his famed retail politics skills. Some showed up to his town hall in Marshalltown, Iowa with a number of candidates in mind — but left the event saying they were sold on him.

“He got my vote,” said Edward Hermsen, a Marshalltown resident. Ruth Knudson, also from Marshalltown, came to the event with her eye on Romney, Perry and Santorum, but said she left a likely Perry caucus-goer.

“I probably will think some, however, I have to tell you, I was very impressed and he has a good chance of getting my vote,” Knudson said after the event.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57350337-503544/can-perrys-recent-crowds-translate-into-votes/

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Christie is weak on illegal immigrattion, gun rights, abortion.

He supported the Muslim mosque being built at ground zero in manhatten.

He has supported global warming regulations like cap n trade.

There’s more on him that I can’t remember at this point.

It’s hard to say he’s a conservative if he’s promoting Romney for president, unless you think Romney governed like a conservative. :)

Just b/c you hate religious people doesn’t mean Christie and Daniels are true conservatives.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Christie was the only governor to pull out his state of the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative. Imposing global warming regulations – something that Christie hasn’t done, I find your willingness to flat out lie a bit creepy – is as bad as subsidizing the oil industry – something that Perry has done abundantly.

Like anyone capable of respecting the basics of the Constitution, Christie stated that they had the right to build a mosque in their own property.

The rest is basically name-calling – you don’t provide a shade of evidence for your claims. Affirming them over and over won’t make them true. Heck, you go to the quite hilarious point of claiming that “Christie isn’t conservative for reasons that I can’t really remember but I know he isn’t”.

And I’m very religious myself. The fact that you had to resort to ad hominem arguments and personal insults show how incredibly weak your case is.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

How many of these has Perry done in 10 years as governor of a State whose capitol population is larger than Alaska?

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 2:22 PM

First, go look it up

Second, All you’re saying is Sarah flew her ultralight better than Perry has flown his space shuttle.

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:38 PM

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 2:32 PM

One reason Perry is running is because Romney won’t get rid of Obamacare…which will bankrupt state budgets.

Yeah he could have been better prepared but woulda coulda shoulda gets old.

Folks like him when they meet him, he’s got solid plans and a great record.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Daniels’s decision to accept Obamacare funds and move forward with implementation is further undermining the repeal effort. Yesterday, federal judge Roger Vinson reversed his initial order forbidding the Obama administration to implement the law. He did so in part because plaintiff states such as Indiana are implementing it, which he said “undercut” their own argument that he should block it.

The latest Rasmussen poll shows that 81 percent of Republicans and 53 percent of independents want Obamacare repealed. Those voters will cringe when President Obama turns to Governor Daniels in a presidential debate and says: “Mitch, all your talk about repeal is just cynical politics. Your health-care plan is not that different from mine. You expanded Medicaid to people with higher incomes than my plan requires. You are implementing my plan in your state right now. I’m even willing to make some of the changes you want so it will work better for Indiana. If you really think my health-care plan is unconstitutional, then aren’t you violating the oath you took to uphold the Constitution by implementing it?”

AdvertisementDaniels can spare himself and the repeal movement such setbacks by following the lead of Florida governor Rick Scott (R.) and Alaska governor Sean Parnell (R.) and flatly refusing to implement any aspect of Obamacare. Daniels could even organize another letter in which his fellow governors all make the same announcement.

Governor Daniels recently told conservative activists in Washington, “You’d be amazed how much government you’ll never miss.” Indeed, you can’t miss what you don’t create.

— Michael F. Cannon is director of health-policy studies at the Cato Institute and co-author of Healthy Competition: What’s Holding Back Health Care and How to Free It.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:40 PM

Romney, Romney O’ Bamney

What happens if Mitt Romney doesn’t win in Iowa? Again?

Dr Evil on December 31, 2011 at 2:18 PM

If Romney loses, then we still have a shot at defeating Obama in November. Even if Ron “Captain Insano” Paul wins, the true conservative base and Tea Partiers will not align to a liberal Democrat out of pure panic (which is what Mitt and the corrupt GOP establishment is counting on).

If Romney wins Iowa, Obama’s team can start preparing his re-election victory speech with relative ease. Mitt can’t win, and he won’t win.

Myron Falwell on December 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

And I’m very religious myself. The fact that you had to resort to ad hominem arguments and personal insults show how incredibly weak your case is.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

I’m not religious, but you painted all conservatives who have a problem with Christie and Mitch Daniels as religious nuts.

You aren’t informed on Daniels or Christie, or you are just a hack for them. I don’t care in truth, b/c neither will ever be our nominee.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

The left must be watching and laughing. They don’t even have to campaign for 0. All Nobama has to do is watch our infighting.

I guarantee that they will be spoon feeding stories and insider tips to lamestream outlets. And you know they will only be to glad to run them.

Capitalist Hog on December 31, 2011 at 2:44 PM

Virginia Attorney General Intervenes in GOP Primary Ballot Dispute

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/31/virginia-attorney-general-intervenes-in-gop-primary-ballot-dispute/#ixzz1i8wwjZV8

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Myron Falwell on December 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM

If Romney loses in Iowa after all the MSM shilling for him, Mr Inevitable sitting at 25%, it’s going to prove once, and for all, the dinosaur media has become irrelevant.

Dr Evil on December 31, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Oh, Ed Morrisssey, now you’ve done it:

Rick Rick bo bick
Banana fanna fo fick
Fe fi mo mick
Rick

Something I could never do with “Chuck”
:D
Happy New Year to you, Hot Air, and my beloved Gov. Perry (come on home, honey).

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 31, 2011 at 2:47 PM

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:38 PM

First, I don’t have to look it up, I know. Which was why I made the list. It was rhetorical on my part, but directed at you Perry supporters. Perry did not accomplish a quarter of what Sarah Palin did as I listed.

Second, what is with you Perry supporters always comparing the population of Texas to the population of Alaska? Is that your only argument?

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 2:48 PM

The purpose of primaries is to have “in fighting”.

It’s not a coronation of your preferred candidate.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:48 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:40 PM

I don’t understand why you believe Romney won’t overturn the legislation if it hits his desk? That would be committing political suicide. My real question is how do you think it will hit his desk? The GOP will need 60 votes in the Senate to over turn Obamacare. They aren’t even close to that count. They are down, what 13, and Scott Brown is vulnerable. The best chance for Obamacare to be put down is Justice Kennedy and a 5-4 vote to overturn the individual mandate. That will happen prior to the election, so the whole subject maybe moot.

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Second, what is with you Perry supporters always comparing the population of Texas to the population of Alaska? Is that your only argument?

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 2:48 PM

No it isn’t our only argument, but it is a very important one. I like Palin very much and detest the smearing she got in ’08 and since. But when her devotees want to slam Perry and Texas with her record that, frankly, wasn’t any more difficult than say the Tarrant County Judge’s job in Ft. Worth, Texas, then i’d say yes, size matters.

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:59 PM

The superPAC Restore the Future supports what candidate?

gophergirl on December 31, 2011 at 3:00 PM

The reason Palin isn’t running is because of John “Bhopal” Coale and Rick Perry has nothing to do with that.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Palin understood her experience governing was insufficient to topple a sitting President. If she had lost the fight for the nomination (a likely outcome), or if she had won the nomination but lost to Obama (also a likely outcome), she would have been permanently sidelined from national politics as a serial loser.

After the nomination is settled, she will be out trying to persuade likely dejected hard line conservatives to support the candidate to defeat Obama. The new President will make her Sec of Energy or Interior or something else suitable to her skills and experience.

She will be doing the new President a political favor by serving in their Cabinet.

Then she might run in 2020. She is young. In 2032 she will be the same age Newt Gingrich is now. In 2040 she will be the same age as Ron Paul is now. And she is a woman who has taken good care of her health all her life.

If on the off chance Obama wins reelection, then she can run in 2016, beholden to no one and with many owing her favors.

Palin is a brilliant politician.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:03 PM

My real question is how do you think it will hit his desk? The GOP will need 60 votes in the Senate to over turn Obamacare.

They may need 60 to officially repeal it, but they will only need 50 (plus the VP) to completely gut it, assuming Obama is not holding the veto pen.

And the Senate candidates up for election in 2014 will be the Senators who came in on the 2008 Democrat landslide. Getting over 60 Republican Senators then should not be difficult, as long as the tide has not shifted back in favor of the Democrats.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:15 PM

cartooner on December 31, 2011 at 2:59 PM

Man this is too easy. You did not answer the list of accomplishments, but I’ll indulge you. Yes because Perry took on the Texas GOP establishment, because Perry was a whistle blower against the Texas GOP, because Perry primaried and defeated a sitting GOP governor in Texas, because Perry has been fighting corruption and crony capitalism in the Texas State legislature, because Perry passed ethics reform in Texas, because Perry negotiated a TransCanada or other oil pipeline deal (which happens to be largest ever negotiated in US history), because Perry reduced spending every he has been in office, because Perry balanced a budget every year he has been in office, because Perry left Texas a $12 billion surplus.

Sarah Palin did all of these before and in 2 1/2 years as governor. This is my argument. This is why Sarah Palin is BETTER than Rick Perry.

Come back when Rick Perry has done 1 or 2 things on the list. Not all of them, just 1 or 2 will be fine. Texas size or no Texas size.

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Second, what is with you PerryPalin supportersworshppers always comparing the population of Texas to the population of Alaska? 1/2 term of her governorship to a 3 term sitting governor of Texas. Is that your only argument?

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 2:48 PM

I know this is hard to reckon but everything Palin accomplished in her 1/2 term is moot since she quit.

Palin is not running…Get over it.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:30 PM

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Time to take those Palin posters off your basement wall…Palin is done and is no a temporary political pundit till her FOX contract is up.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM

I know this is hard to reckon but everything Palin accomplished in her 1/2 term is moot since she quit.

It is hard to reckon because it is completely wrong and illogical.

She did what she did. Then, realizing resigning would be in the best interests of her constituents, she resigned.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:34 PM

She will be doing the new President a political favor by serving in their Cabinet.
fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:03 PM

Aside from Newt’s pandering to palinistas I’ll believe it when I see it….which I doubt I’ll see.

She blew it when she quit office & most rational folks know it…She couldn’t win in her own state.

But go ahead and send her more money.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:36 PM

The Texas governor doesn’t have a whole lot of responsiblity or power. That’s how Texas set up on purpose.

Let’s face it, Perry’s not exactly a bright man. He’s better than Obama though. :)

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Perry is one of the strongest governors in Texas History…It’s called political capital & appointments.

Y’know it’s called executive governing experience.

Perry has served in the state legislature, the administration as Agriculture Commissioner,Lt. Governor and 3 terms as Governor.

Leadership & Results Matter.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:41 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:30 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Q.E.D.

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM

She did what she did. Then, realizing resigning would be in the best interests of her constituents, she resigned.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:34 PM

That’s not how Alaskans see it…They think she sold out

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:43 PM

I think Perry was woefully misguided on his forced vaccination mandate and his push for the super highway in Texas (lot of private property violations in that proposal).

He also seems to have been in bed with a lot of corporations.

The reality is a president should know stuff about foreign policy because national security is important as president. Let’s face, it Santy knows more about foreign policy than Perry. It’s not even close.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:44 PM

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Fac ut Vivas!

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:44 PM

The vaccination mandate was enacted so insurance would cover the cost. He apologized and it was tabled & never went into effect. Get Over it!

TTC is a dead horse and never went into effect. Get Over it!

Jello meet wall

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:50 PM

That’s not how Alaskans see it…They think she sold out

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Like most populations, ‘Alaskans,’ as a group, don’t much ‘think’ about anything. As individuals they have opinions about stuff even they know they don’t know much of anything about.

“She did what she did. Then, realizing resigning would be in the best interests of her constituents, she resigned.”

Those were two simple statements of fact. Your spin is amusing.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:50 PM

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:50 PM

You speak logic, it is something which they are not familiar with.

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:52 PM

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:50 PM

I dunno…she polls badly in Alaska.

Your Palin Worship is….sad

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:52 PM

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 3:50 PM

You speak logic, it is something which they are not familiar with.

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Try this Logic…Americans don’t elect quitters to the presidency. Newt is finding this out for himself as he continues to tank in the polls.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:54 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:54 PM

And they don’t elect people who say “oops.”

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Perry can earn my support still.

He can come out and say with no wishywashiness that he has reconsidered the in-state tuition for illegal aliens, as he has learned that it takes seats away from United (other) States of America citizens…

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 12:16 PM

But it doesn’t, and you are not from Texas obviously.

jazzuscounty on December 31, 2011 at 3:59 PM

It’s because they aren’t from the South and don’t pander to religious freaks.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 2:08 PM

And I’m very religious myself. The fact that you had to resort to ad hominem arguments and personal insults show how incredibly weak your case is.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 2:37 PM

It can be entertaining to watch joana debate herself.

WhatNot on December 31, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Your Palin Worship is….sad

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:52 PM

What makes you think I even like Palin’s politics?

I regard the religious right as mostly radicals, not conservatives. People who think Genesis is literally true are nuts.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 4:11 PM

With JugEars in office…any candidate I figured…gave me Hope and promise!…why then, do I feel like puking?

KOOLAID2 on December 31, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Perry never apologized for the vaccine thing. He was defeated on it but he still got on his high horse and paraded around a bunch of “victims”. He acts like he listened to the people now.

I am over it, but don’t try to rewrite history on that.

TTC was a horrible idea, and does show Perry is prone to big government at times.

Since Red State is calling Santorum a statist, I think to be fair, we need to call Perry one too.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:54 PM

And they don’t elect people who say “oops.”

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 3:58 PM

amateur…But Happy New Year anyway from Texas

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 4:22 PM

I’M glad Perry is your governor, too.

Texas unemployment – 8.4%
Nebraska unemployment – 4.2%

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 12:35 PM

It’s too bad a retired professor isn’t a little more capable of examining data. Texas unemployment is high because of the vast numbers of people moving there for jobs. If not for the influx of people, Texas unemployment rate, given the same increase in jobs, would be 2.3%:

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 4:13 PM

You don’t know anything about TTC or what Perry said about Tardisil.

You are not from Texas…You are just spewing talking points which are a load of BS.

Next you’ll tell me building a wall in the middle of a 1200 mile river is feasible.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 4:28 PM

NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 4:26 PM

That is an awesome blog isn’t it

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 4:29 PM

It’s too bad a retired professor isn’t a little more capable of examining data.
NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Horace is a Monarchist.

So this is a wasted effort.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 4:31 PM

People who think Genesis is literally true are nuts.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 4:11 PM

And people who pretend science has all the answers to the origin of the earth and the heavens are woefully naive.

Isn’t it funny that these same ones do believe there are dark mysterious forces in the world but can’t accept there is a God who created everything?

TheRightMan on December 31, 2011 at 4:33 PM

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 4:22 PM

ad hominem, the last resort of the logically fallible. It was too easy.

Happy New Year! Alaskan style!!

HerneTheHunter on December 31, 2011 at 4:37 PM

And people who pretend science has all the answers to the origin of the earth and the heavens are woefully naive.

Yes. They would be, if there were any.

fadetogray on December 31, 2011 at 4:41 PM

It’s too bad a retired professor isn’t a little more capable of examining data. Texas unemployment is high because of the vast numbers of people moving there for jobs. If not for the influx of people, Texas unemployment rate, given the same increase in jobs, would be 2.3%:

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 4:26 PM

I’ve never understood why people try to distort Perry’s economic record in Texas. Perry has plenty of weaknesses but the Texas job boom definitely isn’t one of them.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 31, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Perry is one of the strongest governors in Texas History…It’s called political capital & appointments.

Y’know it’s called executive governing experience.

Perry has served in the state legislature, the administration as Agriculture Commissioner,Lt. Governor and 3 terms as Governor.

Leadership & Results Matter.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 3:41 PM

This post makes me feel warm and fuzzy. So what? Perry knows people. He can matchmaker people to positions. Let’s remember that Perry was a democrat when he was agricultural commissioner and then Rove turned him to republican.

But that’s not what I want to talk about –
So we have Perry who DOES need a teleprompter because he cannot speak vs. the POTUS who needs the TOTUS.

I can just see the debates: TOTUS vs. Perry Teleprompter.

athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 4:52 PM

I really don’t understand the level of Perry hate at this website, it is worse than any of the sites I visit. Don’t like Perry – fine, but the level of distortion and focusing on the negatives of Perry is well beyond normal.

boone on December 31, 2011 at 4:55 PM

athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 4:52 PM

We have two executives who got passed the ball from W.
(This is Obama’s defense that he inherited troubles from W)

Obama fumbled and has done his level best to kill the American Economy…While under Perry’s leadership Texas has created 3 out of every 4 private sector jobs in America & led the nation in exports (mostly manufacturing) for 9 years in a row, balanced it’s budget, legislated the largest budget cuts since WWII, upgraded it’s credit rating & has a surplus.

Yeah I think those debates will be Righteous!

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 5:01 PM

Let’s remember that Perry was a democrat when he was agricultural commissioner and then Rove turned him to republican. athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Oh Brother! Perry has always been a conservative even when a democrat as most of the state was democrat…sheeesh!

Phil Gramm was a democrat too!

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 5:05 PM

TheRightMan on December 31, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Please position yourself over the crying bucket. The tears of the bitter worshipers of a failed Texas bull$hit artist are going to be the perfect beverage to accompany my special New Years nachos tonight!

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I can just see the debates: TOTUS vs. Perry Teleprompter.

athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 4:52 PM

Fine, so we give them both teleprompters.

And then they debate their records.

Think Obama’s record will stand up to Perry’s record?

I also don’t think so.

TheRightMan on December 31, 2011 at 5:14 PM

That is an awesome blog isn’t it

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 4:29 PM

A new favorite. I love data!

NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 5:18 PM

“Meanwhile, four GOP candidates, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman on Saturday joined fellow candidate Rick Perry’s lawsuit against the state, urging the Board of Elections to either allow them on the ballot or at least refrain from taking any action until a Jan. 13 court hearing…”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/31/virginia-attorney-general-intervenes-in-gop-primary-ballot-dispute/#ixzz1i9YhxWJA

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 5:21 PM

A new favorite. I love data!

NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Try this one…Lots of nifty database graphs

“Texas is growing private sector jobs at nearly twice the rate of the rest of the nation”

http://texanomics.blogspot.com/#!/2011/12/texas-is-growing-private-sector-jobs.html

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 5:24 PM

While Mitt Romney was Governor of Massachusetts, Massachusetts added just under 46,000 jobs.

Over that same period, just Houston added over 4.5 times that amount — even though Houston’s population was 1.4 million less than Massachusetts.

source: US Census Bureau, US Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OXo3AYKC930/ToEcltCX8kI/AAAAAAAAAOk/ZpkKUxJvvm4/s1600/houstonmassachu.jpg

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 5:29 PM

NbyNW

So, you’re saying people move to Texas for jobs, but there aren’t enough jobs for them so they end up on unemployment because they moved to Texas where all the jobs are, but then couldn’t get jobs. IOW – Texas doesn’t have enough jobs for all the people who move there, but thousands of people are moving to Texas because of all the jobs there.

And THIS is why Texas unemployment is at 8.4%?

Suddenly I have a major migraine – or perhaps a stroke of some kind.

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 5:53 PM

The purpose of primaries is to have “in fighting”.

It’s not a coronation of your preferred candidate.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 2:48 PM

I think the MSM has oversold Romney’s odds to his supporters. The cheer leading is: Fake it till Mitt makes it. But so far he’s not moved off the dime. There is actually more than one alternative to Romney’s seize the middle agenda.

Dr Evil on December 31, 2011 at 6:02 PM

But it doesn’t, and you are not from Texas obviously.

jazzuscounty on December 31, 2011 at 3:59 PM

The in state tuition for illegal aliens does to take seats away from American Citizens, who else can it take them from?

1) The Universities have a set number of seats available for each semester. While the seat numbers are not fixed over time, for each class, there is in fact a limited number of seats.
2) All Texas Universities get way more qualified applicants than they can seat for each semester. They tell some of those people that they cannot attend.
3) The seats in Universities are taken by different groups of people. You have Texas State Residents who are United States of America Citizens and legal residents, other state’s resident United States of America Citizens or legal residents, foreign exchange students and Texas resident illegal aliens.
4) If you subsidize illegal alien tuition, it is intended to increase illegal alien usage of the universities. The whole defense of the law is that they otherwise would not be able to afford to go to college.
5) This means that if you increase the number of illegal aliens taking seats in the universities as the law’s intention is, the number of seats for other groups is diminished. That means United States Citizens are denied those seat placements for which they are qualified and they applied for. There is no other option.

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Campaign stops today

Santorum – way more reporters than supporters. 15 supporters was best showing

Bachmann – Does anyone show up for her any longer?

Newt – Locks down campaign event for filming leaving media and supporters locked out.

Kermit on December 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM

The in state tuition for illegal aliens does to take seats away from American Citizens, who else can it take them from?
1) The Universities have a set number of seats available for each semester. While the seat numbers are not fixed over time, for each class, there is in fact a limited number of seats.
2) All Texas Universities get way more qualified applicants than they can seat for each semester. They tell some of those people that they cannot attend.
3) The seats in Universities are taken by different groups of people. You have Texas State Residents who are United States of America Citizens and legal residents, other state’s resident United States of America Citizens or legal residents, foreign exchange students and Texas resident illegal aliens.
4) If you subsidize illegal alien tuition, it is intended to increase illegal alien usage of the universities. The whole defense of the law is that they otherwise would not be able to afford to go to college.
5) This means that if you increase the number of illegal aliens taking seats in the universities as the law’s intention is, the number of seats for other groups is diminished. That means United States Citizens are denied those seat placements for which they are qualified and they applied for. There is no other option.
astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Not to mention the 33M Perry spent for tuition assistance to illegals (2004-2008). That number is still growing.

Fletch54 on December 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 6:06 PM

For the remedial…in other words you.

Texas enacted the law to avoid court having lost the K-12 case. It was a veto proof bill with only 4 dissenting legislators.

The rest of your comment is utter BS spoken with the conviction of a partisan ignoramous.

The bill has saved Texas money & Texas nor any state can deport illegal immigrants because that is federal.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 6:22 PM

You can try to polish up the Pro-Amnesty Rodeo Clown Rick Perry, but in the end you’ll still be left with an incompetent buffoon who, while maybe a nice man, has humiliated himself countless times in the last few months and has shown the world that he is totally unprepared and incapable of being president. As the saying going, you can’t polish a you-know-what.

bluegill on December 31, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Not to mention the 33M Perry spent for tuition assistance to illegals (2004-2008). That number is still growing.

Fletch54 on December 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM

He sure loves himself those illegals. One reason I do not like the idea of his presidency. Bush had many periods where he went against us conservatives, one of them was immigration policy on illegals.

I also was told on another thread about his gardasil EO, that at the time, there was an epidemic of HPV along the border due to the illegal aliens in the area being highly sexually active. Not sure how true that is, but it seems to fit a pattern.

In one of the recent debates he said something along the order of illegal aliens were not illegal aliens but some kind of economic migrant and that we needed to ensure that we provided them plenty of visa’s in order to continue working in the USA.

The guy may be awesome for Texas, but I do not want the man in control of the whole of the country. He is pure unadulterated progressive in his heart and he has shown time and time again that he is not quite brilliant enough to overrule his heart when it matters.

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Not to mention the 33M Perry spent for tuition assistance to illegals (2004-2008). That number is still growing.

Fletch54 on December 31, 2011 at 6:18 PM

go a link to back that up?

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 6:25 PM

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Got a debate transcript of that?

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 6:27 PM

bluegill on December 31, 2011 at 6:25 PM

I will enjoy your dismay when Perry wins the nomination.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 5:53 PM

The fact is that being involved with a new company, it is difficult to find labor at union equivalent wages in Texas and has been for 8 months now.

the other thing is that this new company with a new process (oil field service related) had a difficult time finding investors because 173% ROI during start up year was not enough profit for them to put up capital when non-oil related brings higher profits

Kermit on December 31, 2011 at 6:32 PM

For the remedial…in other words you.

Texas enacted the law to avoid court having lost the K-12 case. It was a veto proof bill with only 4 dissenting legislators.

The rest of your comment is utter BS spoken with the conviction of a partisan ignoramous.

The bill has saved Texas money & Texas nor any state can deport illegal immigrants because that is federal.

workingclass artist on December 31, 2011 at 6:22 PM

No, your comment is utter BS spoken with the conviction of an ignorant buffoon.
We are talking about post k-12 education.
We are talking about the same bill where Perry said, if you do not think we should provide an education to illegal alien children, you have no heart. But they were provided an education, K-12 and were even allowed to go to higher education at the normal out of state tuition rates likely non-workingclass artist.

astonerii on December 31, 2011 at 6:33 PM

So, you’re saying people move to Texas for jobs, but there aren’t enough jobs for them so they end up on unemployment because they moved to Texas where all the jobs are, but then couldn’t get jobs. IOW – Texas doesn’t have enough jobs for all the people who move there, but thousands of people are moving to Texas because of all the jobs there.

And THIS is why Texas unemployment is at 8.4%?

Suddenly I have a major migraine – or perhaps a stroke of some kind.

Horace on December 31, 2011 at 5:53 PM

I never said they were ended up on unemployment, which to me means they’re getting benefits, but otherwise, yep. People go to Texas because the chances of getting a job are much higher than elsewhere. But even Texas can’t create enough jobs to make up for Obama’s messes.

I’m betting you didn’t teach math?

NbyNW on December 31, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Rick Perry’s campaign did with a series of leaks to Politico:

Who?

It may be true that success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan. But, it is equally true that Rick Perry faced an uphill battle even before he botched those debates. To successfully become the GOP candidate, Perry needed to provide wisdom and insight about his agenda. He did not deliver.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2011 at 6:37 PM

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