Will Obama release Fazl from Gitmo for peace talks with Taliban?
posted at 10:45 am on December 30, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
When any nation or organization wants to negotiate an end to hostilities, it has to be prepared to offer something substantial as a way to demonstrate good faith. Almost by definition, their own side will object to the concession offered if it’s significant. That will likely be the reaction to the Reuters report that the Obama administration is mulling over the idea of releasing one of the first detainees to enter the detention center at Guantanamo Bay in exchange for serious peace talks with the Taliban:
The Obama administration is considering transferring to Afghan custody a senior Taliban official suspected of major human rights abuses as part of a long-shot bid to improve the prospects of a peace deal in Afghanistan, Reuters has learned.
The potential hand-over of Mohammed Fazl, a ‘high-risk detainee’ held at the Guantanamo Bay military prison since early 2002, has set off alarms on Capitol Hill and among some U.S. intelligence officials.
As a senior commander of the Taliban army, Fazl is alleged to be responsible for the killing of thousands of Afghanistan’s minority Shi’ite Muslims between 1998 and 2001.
According to U.S. military documents made public by WikiLeaks, he was also on the scene of a November 2001 prison riot that killed CIA operative Johnny Micheal Spann, the first American who died in combat in the Afghan war. There is no evidence, however, that Fazl played any direct role in Spann’s death.
Without a doubt, Fazl’s a pretty bad guy, and an indictment all on his own of the Taliban government the US deposed after the 9/11 attacks and the Taliban’s refusal to turn over al-Qaeda’s leadership. People forget just how bad the Taliban was in its administration of Afghanistan following their overthrow of the post-Soviet government in Kabul, such as it was. Iran can be described fairly as a twelfth-century tyranny with 20th-century technology, but the Taliban were an eighth-century tyranny with 19th-century technology at best. If Fazl returned to the field — and he almost certainly would, absent a peace agreement — he could wreak a bloody havoc on Afghanistan once again, which is probably the main reason that the US has balked at returning him to Afghanistan.
However, it’s not just the Taliban that want him back. The US-supported government in Kabul wants him and four other Afghani Taliban in Gitmo released into their custody, and have been requesting that since 2005. Both the Bush and Obama administrations have resisted those demands, and Congress remains opposed on a bipartisan basis. They see Fazl as an especially egregious case and a big danger if released; Reuters says that Fazl and the others would remain in detention, but that’s probably fantasy. The Kabul government could try Fazl for the massacres, but they’d probably trade him in a peace agreement if they could get one that disarms the Taliban as part of a general amnesty.
According to public data, that looks like a decision for Kabul to make. Unless the US has information that Fazl took part in terrorist operations against the US or have evidence that Fazl took part in Spann’s murder, the jurisdiction for Fazl’s crimes would be in Afghanistan, not the US or Gitmo. Sending Fazl and his cohorts to Kabul in custody of the Karzai government would not constitute “negotiating with terrorists,” as one objection in the Reuters account is stated. It would be negotiating with the sovereign government we support so that they can negotiate with the Taliban.
That’s not just a distinction without a difference, either. Unlike al-Qaeda, which was always a foreign group transplanted into Afghanistan for strategic purposes, the Taliban represent — for better or worse — the Pashtuns in Afghanistan, and to a lesser extent in Pakistan. The Pashtuns are one of the biggest tribes in the region, and the conflict between the Taliban and the Afghan government (and the Northern Alliance that preceded it) is as much about tribal supremacy as it is about religion, and perhaps more so. In any post-war Afghanistan, the government will have to find a way to integrate the Pashtuns into the political life of the country without a resort to arms. Over the last ten years, many efforts have been made to get the Pashtuns to abandon their Taliban leadership, but without much success, and in the long run, negotiation will be necessary to end the conflict. Given the tribal map of Afghanistan, it’s obviously impossible for total victory through military conquest:
Pashtuns are the largest single tribal ethnicity in Afghanistan, and one of the largest in Pakistan as well at around 40%, with Tajiks, Hazaras, and Uzbeks following in order (aggregating in the white space in the north on this map). The only hope of ending the war is to get Pashtuns to live with the other tribes of Afghanistan in peace, or outright annihilation, which is not just impossible but unthinkable. Peace will require negotiation, and negotiation will require trade-offs, sometimes literally, perhaps such as Fazl for a truce and serious talks. Fazl might be a high price to pay, but in the end it will be the Afghan government who will pay it, and who should have jurisdiction to make that decision — unless the US has evidence that Fazl has conducted terrorist operations against the US outside of the scope of our invasion in 2001.
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New meme: What would candidate obama do? WWCOD
If only (candidate) Obama knew!
aquaviva on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
I feel so sorry for you Obama-azz-dwelleres.
Suffocate from what you’ve consumed, you traitors.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Dwellers…it ain’t Beluga caviar…you’ve been consuming Obama’s shit. Suffocate from it, slowly and painfully.
I hope that Messrs. Ailes and Murdoch will fight for the 1st, with all their might, and the help of the ACLU and any decent leftist, hah.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Chuck “Frog” Todd discovers the scorpion.
Mr. D on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
It’s just like the gun laws they want. A national registry prevents anyone from ever discussing in public whether or not they might have guns. You might have liberal (re: Communist) neighbors that would report you to the moral authorities…
Freakin’ USSA
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Soviets would be proud.
goflyers on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
At this point, can’t we just make Cuba the 58th state already?
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Obviously, Todd and all those singing his same tune have lost all credibility. Worse, those on the Left are also traitors.
Love,
Obama’s Choirboys
Chris Matthews
Our trolls
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Hmmm but it is really satisfying to see them sweat too.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Wow. They’ve gone too far even for Chuck Todd.
Can I get a Maddow?
Robert_Paulson on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Is this surprising? After all, it’s the Chicago Way.
Fred 2 on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
The media I mean.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Boo Hoo. Chuck Todd was right there with the effort to criminalize private gun ownership, in fact if not in name, via harassment of gun owners. Now all of a sudden I’m supposed to be outraged because his ox is getting gored.
It’s a serious thing, but I’m not buying the sudden respect for rights from most of these clowns.
JohnTant on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
“Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.” – David Burge
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Gad. And HAL’s book is Sal Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals too. Such a freakin’ idiot.
But true. I’m getting to the point that our only hope is that after the complete collapse of the United States, the sane people with all the guns can reinstall the Constitution and start over.
RESET!
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
In one way I cannot disagree – the U.S. media is probably comprised of many of the world’s most dishonest people. Many “journalists” lie on a level similar to Barack Obama or Marco Rubio. But, Obama only wants to criminalize those who don’t agree with him.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Let’s not forget that Chuck Todd’s wife (Christin Deny Todd) is a Democratic operative.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Big whoop. What are all these hyperventilating pearl-clutchers in the journalism field going to do about it? Nothing. They’re Obama’s kept b_tches and they know it.
Aitch748 on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
May you journalists, aka lemmings, be the first useful idiots he jails.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Be outraged. Use the law and a good portion of absolute moral authority to take this criminal enterprise down.
Dusty on May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM
I don’t think Chuckie and his ilk will be turning in their Hope & Change autographed kneepads yet though…
Bruno Strozek on May 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Flashback:
Forward!
visions on May 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Did IRS guidelines say teaching the Constitution is a political act?
Kerry Brentwood – Michigan
Shulman is squirming again.
Oh jeez, Shulman admits he doesn’t know the constitution and can’t recite it or explain 1, 2 or 19th amendments. Brentwood asks if he knows what TEA stands for – taxed enough already – Shulman says he didn’t know.
Looking at the fools and idiots in positions of power the rest of the world must be ROTFLTFAO at us.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Obama not born in Kenya. Born in East Berlin.
kurtzz3 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
No, what’s funny is how you tongue bathers have allowed him to shift all over the place while you turn a blind eye to it. For your failure to do your “job”, you’ve allowed this to happen. If he’d have been held accountable early in his career by the press, as a politician, do you think he would’ve made it this far? With this type of behavior? C’mon Chuck, by saying “Candidate Obama” you’re basically saying that you guys have been witness to this guy changing his positions and had the utter luxury of unrestrained freedom of movement to adapt his position to the situation at hand.
What good are you, Chuck???? See Obama and see your failure, it’s that simple, homeboy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM
I hate to break this to you, but Candidate Obama and President Obama are one and the same person.
This means that he played you, Chuckie. He told you a bunch of pretty, pretty lies and you swallowed them all. Let that sink in.
Saltyron on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Not going to happen. It’s going to get worse before it can get better.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
It appears to me like the administration doesn’t even care what anyone thinks about what they’ve been doing. If the president were really “outraged” don’t you think someone’s head would roll? Who is he afraid of? Holder? Because what they’re doing is downright cowardly.
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Should probably wait and see what the fallout from all this is before making a statement like that.
A lot of people are getting a taste of what ‘progressivism’ really means. I don’t think that’s going to work well for you guys.
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM
A talking sock puppet that sleeps with the lowest form of prostitute. Willing to sell his soul and his kids for a few
peices of silver and a chance to fellate the kenyan.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM
…our philosopher King?
This is why you have a parasitic criminal class near most college campuses and other concentrations of liberals.
Marks like tingles are the best, though. They never admit that they were mugged.
IlikedAUH2O on May 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
So, F. Chuck Todd is a racist, along with Chris Matthews, for criticizing a Black President?
pjarhead on May 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Welcome to Chicago politics, F. Chuck Todd. These MSM reporters are truly fools.
Henry Bowman on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Far as I’m concerned, these smug no-balz reporters can cry in their $10 lattes all week, while I laugh at them. Their liberalism and their precious Obama brought all this about, even though they were warned five years ago their candidate is a sleaze.
This is nothing. I think more have been spied on, including azz-kissers like Matthews. In any dictatorship, the biggest supporters are the ones most closely watched. There’s always a suspicion of heresy, and that has to be stamped out faster than any active opposition. Wait till Obamacare kicks in, too.
You reap what you sow. I hope their precious Obama gives them a bountiful harvest.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
And why is it that they don’t care? Is it because they know nothing will happen to them? I have always thought the POS knows he’s untouchable and that’s probably because of the powers behind the throne.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Criminalize journalism?
Yes, chuck, journalism. It’s that profession that you haven’t been involved with over the last few years. Don’t worry, there’ll be plenty of jobs for leg humpers, tongue bathers and water carriers. Pays the same as you make right now, buddy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:20 PM
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Well, I guess TECHNICALLY it doesn’t say the President can’t do any of these things. So there’s that.
UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Friend, pls. photoshop the 3 monkeys of oblivion: Holder Obama and Hillary.
Also, consider photoshopping the 3 stooges, same characters.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Someone appropriately misspelled them “trools” this morning. I kind of like that.
oldroy on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Yeah Chuckie-boy, sark on it. Too bad you weren’t one of the realjournalists when F&F, Bengazi, HHS, OSHA, IRS, EPA, WiretAP scandals were breaking.
It was the folks like the ones here at HA doing the real grunt work.
Turtle317 on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Were all of the groups that got slammed by the IRS in total red states ?Did any of them have Democrat senators or Democrat congressmen?Were the Democrats in the group that doesn’t know anything or did they just go along with it?The MSM is dead in this country.The only media left is sites like this.
docflash on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I saw that, and like it, too. Kind of a cross between ‘trolls’ and ‘tools’.
Maybe that commenter coined a new term exclusive to HotAir. Might even catch on with other Conservative sites.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Chuck – Hope you like the change you have been promoting the last several years.
albill on May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM
But, Benghazi is a political witch hunt…
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
The State Run Media thought they would be exempt from the repression…LOL.
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
It’s great to see Chuck Todd cheering on journalism and journalists! Someday he might consider abandoning the Ministry of Truth propaganda machine, and join in.
MTF on May 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Mighty short book ya got there.
Dope.
herm2416 on May 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Or trolls and fools. But I repeat myself.
IrishEyes on May 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Lol! Okay, you got it. I’ll drop it off when its done. ; )
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
meh…there’s something pathetic how conservatives keep hoping these liberal journalists are going to start being even-handed…just wait, Chuck Todd and the rest of them will forgive and forget when it’s convenient.
blue13326 on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
And somehow Obama’s Gallup approval is still in the 50s.
I swear…Even if Obama rounded up 1/2 the country to the gas chambers, 50+% of the country including some of the 1/2 going into the gas chambers would still approve of Obama’s job performance.
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM
The first step in totalitarian rule is to silence the opposition by intimidation. Now we can clearly see what kind of government we are going to get.
kemojr on May 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM
But the Tea Party, they should be criminalized.
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Manure Spreading Media = Useful Idiots (V.I. Lenin)
Missilengr on May 22, 2013 at 3:56 PM
When
you’ve lostyou’re losing Chuck Toad…bofh on May 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM
BreakingNews: Chuck Todd(D) has placed his inflatable Obama love doll on CraigsList… it is SO over…
DANEgerus on May 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Once leftist scumbag todd gets his assurances from the OBOZO regime that he isn’t a target – he’ll be back licking OBOZO’s boots before you can say “d-cRAT stooge.”
TeaPartyNation on May 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM
about three days before the election in 2008 there was a story out of Tennessee about two guys talking in a bar about shooting Senator Obama. Made big headlines with all the racial intoning that could be mustered. The gal that initiated the report was the wife of Kerry’s 2004 campaign manager. It caused me to research a whole lot of names associated with by-lines. The ties to journ-o-listers to the dem party are very strong.
And the story was bogus of course.
DanMan on May 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM
WaPo: The Insiders: A special prosecutor in the IRS matter is inevitable
Resist We Much on May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Let me make sure I get my hands around all of this:
Criminalizing journalism, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, is doubleungood.
Criminalizing gun ownership, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment, is doubleplusgood.
NOW, it all makes sense
Tar Heel Sooner on May 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM
“Fundamentally change America!” The idiots that voted for this Commie had no idea what he was talking about because they never took the time to learn anything about this traitor to America!!
Deano1952 on May 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM
BINGO! I don’t think this will occur to the LSM as a whole, though. Nor will they ever call him on it.
fred5678 on May 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Hey Chuck,
You DID build that !!
Sleep with it !
Jabberwock on May 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Well Chuck, by being a gutless weasel, the alligator is going to eat you last. Don’t worry, he’s hungry.
rhombus on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM
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Actually, Chuck, the way journalism has been practiced in the age of Øbama is criminal. You have a lot to atone for, Bub.
ExpressoBold on May 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM
When Obama has lost Chuck Todd he is done.
mitchellvii on May 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Drop that notepad and reach for the sky!, dirtbag.
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Right up to the time the ol’ EBT card achieved a zero balance, with no means of the government to fill it up.
“Waddya mean we cooked the dudes who we gots da money from?”
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
For over 30 years…. I thought that I escaped my Communist country.
MNH on May 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Not buying it.
Judge apologizes for lack of transparency in James Rosen leak probe
The chief judge of the District’s federal court issued an unusual order Wednesday, apologizing to the public and the media for not making certain court documents widely available online.
The gesture of transparency by U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth comes at a time when the Obama administration is under scrutiny for an unprecedented number of leak investigations, including one showing that the Justice Department had secretly probed the news-gathering activities of Fox News reporter James Rosen.
The investigation of Rosen was first reported Monday, after The Washington Post obtained court documents containing details of the case.
A federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed in November 2011, but they were kept sealed for 18 months and not posted on the court’s online docket until last week, after The Post inquired about them.
Lamberth blamed a series of administrative errors and said a review of the “performance of the personnel involved is underway.” He also said he was creating a new category on the court’s Web site where all search and arrest warrants will be made public unless they fall under a separate sealing order.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-apologizes-for-lack-of-transparency-in-leak-case/2013/05/22/ad769370-c308-11e2-8c3b-0b5e9247e8ca_story.html
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM
More information the public should have had before the vote.
That election was a fraud.
Obama is not President.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Heh
cornbred on May 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM
The media is fine with Obama trashing the Ammendments to the US Constitution because it is old and…..hey wait…..you can’t do that….
dddave on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM