Santorum: Let’s face it, Chris Christie’s not a conservative

posted at 8:05 pm on December 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

We should get him a Hot Air comment account. He’d fit right in!

“No, they don’t know,” Santorum said today on the Jack Riccardi radio show when asked if Iowa voters “know” that Christie is a “big liberal Republican,” as the guest host phrased it. “I like Chris, I’ve known Chris for years — he’s a fun guy and he’s an interesting guy, but he’s certainly not a conservative Republican,” he added.

Santorum used Christie’s stumping for Romney as an opportunity to attack the Iowa frontrunner. “And that’s the kind of folks that Mitt Romney’s attracting, that’s why he’s bringing them out here; he’s trying to get the establishment Republicans,” he added. Santorum said that he is targeting “real conservatives, Reagan conservatives.”

Does the Reagan Library typically invite non-conservatives to speak?

But maybe he’s right. It’s true that Christie has some conservative heresies to his record, and it’s also true that he’s backed at least one major RINO over a more right-wing candidate in a primary. By that standard, he is pretty liberal.

Good thing we won’t end up with a guy like that as our nominee.


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Compromise is a dirty word if it’s Republicans caving to Democrats.

Brutus is so enthralled with silly platitudes about compromise and bipartisanship. This man is like some bimbo Meghan McCain.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:09 PM

So DOMA is a Constitutional Amendment? Who knew?

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Reagan wasn’t a conservative ideologue?

Does MJ Brutus have a functioning brain?

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:13 PM

So DOMA is a Constitutional Amendment? Who knew?

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:12 PM

What makes it not constitutional? Other than you are gay and don’t support it?

Do you ever get off gay issues, dude?

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:13 PM

This Brutus guy is obsessed with Ace and Gary getting married. His whole world revolves around this most important issue.

This economy is in the toilet and this guys want to harp on the gays. Geez.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Moderates and liberals like Brutus sure love Reagan and Buckley conservatives, now that they are dead.

They’ll use Reagan and Buckley as their political props. It’s so ghoulish, but hey, that’s politics.

I don’t see anything coming out of Brutus’ stupid mouth as reflective of what Reagan believed.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

What makes it not constitutional? Other than you are gay and don’t support it?

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Article 1, Section 8 grants Congress no authority to regulate marriage.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Here’s some glue. You seem to have become undone.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:18 PM

If you say so. I think you are going to find whatever you want to find in the COnsitution to support your views on gay marriage.

Just like the liberal Supreme Court find a right to privacy in the constitution to justify their Roe Vs Wade decision, an issue that should have been left to the states to decide.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM

If you say so. I think you are going to find whatever you want to find in the COnsitution to support your views on gay marriage.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM

Sure I can. Read the 10th Amendment.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Brutus, you are obviously a leftwinger.

Why are you at Hotair. Just want to insult conservatives? Make smary dishonest arguments about what Reagan was and what he believed?

Why don’t you over to Daily Kos or Huffington Post.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:21 PM

Chris Christie and Mitt Romney are conservatives??? Mind Control at it’s finest…

apocalypse on December 31, 2011 at 3:21 PM

What has Obama done for those gay folk? They never seem to complain when Democrats don’t implement gay marriage.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:23 PM

Obama’s about as interested in advocating gay marriage as he is talking about his association with J. Wright and Bill Ayers.

Gays don’t seem to mind.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:21 PM

No need to guess, I told you what I am. I think for myself. I consider myself a conservative because on most issues the answer I reach is most in line with what conservatism espouses.

That is the opposite process of those such as yourself. You find someone to tell you what conservatism has to say and then adjust your ideas accordingly. It’s a poor substitute for thought.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:25 PM

The Defense of Marriage Act was Bill Clinton’s brainchild.

Gays never complained.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:25 PM

MJBrutus,

There’s a million idiots just like you who use that exact same line, you think for yourself, you come to your conclusions on your own, etc etc etc.

If I can’t think for myself, how the f— did I earn a mechanical engineering degree, brother?

You just are some pompous gay dude on the idiot.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:27 PM

Reading and listening to other people’s opinions is how one educates himself.

By Brutus’s logic, he just shelters himself from all opinions and yet his opinion is more informed and educated than anybody elses.

To me, he is making the case he is willfully ignorant.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:29 PM

The reality is there’s not a dime’s worth of difference b/t Brutus and Meghan McCain.

It’s just silly nonsense about compromise, pragmatism, bipartisanship, etc. Any bimbo can spew that fluffy crap.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM

The reality is there’s not a dime’s worth of difference b/t Brutus and Meghan McCain.

It’s just silly nonsense about compromise, pragmatism, bipartisanship, etc. Any bimbo can spew that fluffy crap.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM

If you want to see him come unglued, mention Sarah Palin. Practically froths at the mouth.

dukecitygirl on December 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM

If you want to see him come unglued, mention Sarah Palin. Practically froths at the mouth.

dukecitygirl on December 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM

He’s just your typical pompous liberal blowhard. No way this guy liked Reagan, Reagan was accused of hating the gay folk by people like him too.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:40 PM

He’s a great public speaker and fiscally conservative but when it comes to illegal immigration and gun rights he fails miserably.

The problem with a lot of soc cons is that they don’t understand politics. They make no distinction between politicians in red states where it’s simple to espouse conservative principles right down the line, and those in blue states where it would be suicidal. If Christie wants to get elected, he has to carefully weave his way through a minefield of potential election-killers. Why? Because it’s NJ, not TX or SC. Rudy and Romney had the same problem. Politics 101.

writeblock on December 31, 2011 at 3:44 PM

I think Christie is as conservative as you’re going to get for New Jersey, but he wouldn’t pass the litmus test on a national scale. He’s fiscally conservative, but he’s too far left on gun rights and immigration, among other issues.

Personally, his support of the 911 Mosque turned me off as well as his appointment of a sharia sympathetic Muslim judge. I wouldn’t vote for the man for President.

dukecitygirl on December 31, 2011 at 3:48 PM

He’s just your typical pompous liberal blowhard. No way this guy liked Reagan, Reagan was accused of hating the gay folk by people like him too.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:40 PM

I can’t look back at my attitude in the ’80s towards gays with pride. I was pretty judgmental. Fortunately some of us learn to engage that thinking apparatus I referred to a while ago and grow. Try it some time.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:49 PM

MJ Brutus,

I have a hard time you think too much as it seems all you think about is gays.

I think about higher level stuff. No offense.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Talking about the plight of the gays 24-7 does not an intellectual make.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Good hell Tesla, get a life. Talk about obsession.

gotsig on December 31, 2011 at 3:53 PM

writeblock says he understands politics, but obviously you don’t. If Christie and others want to pander to liberals up North, they rule themselves out as national candidates. Just the way it is.

There was no reason why Christie had to refuse to join the other states in the lawsuit against Obamacare. He wasn’t going to lose re-election by doing that. He didn’t have to get on the global warming bandwagon. He wasn’t going to lose re-election over that. Same with the mosque at 9-11.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:56 PM

It’s amazing these homophiles will go on all day long about the gays but if you say one thing about about the subject, it’s you that are obsessed.

The econonmy is in the tank, Obamacare is a problem, and all the gayphiles want to do is talk about gay rights. Sorry, most of us don’t care about that crap right now.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Funny, but I rarely do mention it. In this case it was only a tangent to illustrate a point about how conservatives hold no monopoly on disrespect for our Constitution. I thought it an appropriate example since the thread is about Santorum’s “conservatism.” The mere mention of DOMA seems to have sent you in to an undamped spiral (an ME should know just what that means) of ad hominems and resume citations as proof something or other.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Brutus,

All you ever say is that you think for yourself. We get it.

Why should anybody care what you think about anything if all of your beliefs and thoughts come strictly from you? You don’t strike me as a bright man.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Why should anybody care what you think about anything if all of your beliefs and thoughts come strictly from you?

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Who said you should you care about what I think?

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Brutus,

I think you need to stop making every one of your posts on here about how f—- smart you are.

WE know you think you are the man. But you are not James Madison, you are not Hayek, you are not Einstien, you are not some great thinker. You are just some guy on the internet saying similar things that Meghan McCain says.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 4:09 PM

You equated conservationism with Constitutionalism. I cited an example where they diverge.
MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 3:04 PM

I did the opposite. Learn to read.

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM

I could be wrong, but I got the impression that your remark was a critique only of current case law and not of conservative loyalty to originalist intent. Either way, if you’re not guilty of the crime of imagining that conservatism is an infallible guide to what is Constitutional, good for you. Plenty of folks are.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Santorum is way off here. Christie is one of our great warriors. He’s one of the few I’ve heard stand up against the holier than thou (according to the media) teachers unions.

netster007x on December 31, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Your fellow Romney supporters think that if something is constitutional, it is ipso facto conservative.

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Reading and listening to other people’s opinions is how one educates himself.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:29 PM

There’s some Mexican copper mines you should invest in.

gotsig on December 31, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Moderates and liberals like Brutus sure love Reagan and Buckley conservatives, now that they are dead.

They’ll use Reagan and Buckley as their political props. It’s so ghoulish, but hey, that’s politics.

I don’t see anything coming out of Brutus’ stupid mouth as reflective of what Reagan believed.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Give us a lesson then…

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 5:11 PM

Chris Christie is an islamoblow dhimmi tool and anyone who is not aware of that simple fact has obviously not been paying attention.

Zilla on December 31, 2011 at 5:46 PM

The problem with purity tests is that they end up creating minorities. That’s not a recipe for winning elections. Christie won in New Jersey, not Utah, and he’s moving the state to fiscal sanity.

Conservative is a relative term. In Massachusetts or New Jersey, Christie and Romney are conservatives. The fact that they don’t belong to the John Birch Society doesn’t make them RINOs. Conservatives need to get over that silliness.

flataffect on December 31, 2011 at 6:13 PM

The problem with purity tests is that they end up creating minorities. That’s not a recipe for winning elections. Christie won in New Jersey, not Utah, and he’s moving the state to fiscal sanity.

Conservative is a relative term. In Massachusetts or New Jersey, Christie and Romney are conservatives. The fact that they don’t belong to the John Birch Society doesn’t make them RINOs. Conservatives need to get over that silliness.

flataffect on December 31, 2011 at 6:13 PM

This is as smarmy as you can be.

Romney had on conservative accomplishments.

Both Romney and Christie are liberal/moderate on immigration and gun control. ROmney implemented Romneycare, which isn’t conservative no matter how he tries to spin it. They both have been on the global warming / environmental extremist bandwagon. Christie refuses to join NJ with other states fighting Obamacare.

To make this criticisms out as wacky John Birch stuff is way to discredit the critics while not answering the criticism.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM

is way to discredit the critics while not answering the criticism.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM

LMAO. Have you looked at what you’ve posted in this thread? Do you possess so much as an nanogram of self-awareness?

MJBrutus on December 31, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Fighting Obamacare politically is conservative. Using taxpayers money to fight it via judicial activism is socialism (or “talk-radio conservatism” which is more or less the same).

Christie was the first governor in the country that pulled his tate out of the Regional Greenhouse Gas initiative. How the heck is he liberal on global warming? That’s basically making up stuff.

Why is he bad on immigration? Because he doesn’t think mass deportation is a reasonable solution? Well, it isn’t. There’s nothing conservative about being unreasonable, quite the contrary.

This is about religion, red-meat and being a southern. Just admit it already.

joana on December 31, 2011 at 8:48 AM

So using a measely $10K to fight Obamacare is socialism?? Uh nooooo, it’s doing what the gov’t is elected to do. 70% or more of Americans don’t want Obamacare, so Krispy Kreme taking a mere $10K to fight it is doing what he was elected to do. That’s the whole point of gov’t, fighting for the causes that your constituents want.

And Kripsy Kreme has waffled back and forth on global warming just like Mittens. Those 2 clowns are made for each other.

These are 2 of the major core issues of conservatism that Krispy Kreme and Mittens have both been wrong on.

Stop pretending he’s something he’s not. THey’re both moderates. Stop trying to tell us real conseervatives they’re not, we’re not stupid enough to fall for it.

LevinFan on December 31, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Promise me you will never start supporting Romney. I wouldn’t want someone like you on the side of someone I support. You abuse the comment feature by over-posting your self-satisfied nonsense, sometimes haranguing people like MJBrutus.

Please consider consolidating your many shorter comments into fewer, larger comments. It is a nuisance having to skip over all the pointless comments from “Dr. Tesla” all the time. Arguing with others on here is one thing, but your near-spam is getting to be a bit much. In many of these threads you seem to feel the need to respond to nearly every little thing with whatever half-baked thought pops into your head. Ok, we get it; you like being a pest. This is what you do for hours on end in your spare time and it’s how you get your kicks in life. But, please, try to be a little more considerate and try to resist the urge to turn every thread into a “Dr. Tesla” spam session.

bluegill on January 1, 2012 at 4:51 AM

The Republic has deteriorated to a point where compromise between two contradictory notions of governing is impossible. The history of the past 50 years demonstrates that compromise between the traditional principles of constitutional authority and the present statist inheritors of both Fascist and Marxist socialism leads to the eventual erosion of the traditionalists.

A blessed New Year to all (after all, there is no contradiction between advocating no further compromise and civility).

senrex on January 1, 2012 at 8:53 AM

It is depressing that religious terms like heretic (even tongue in cheek) are increasingly used to describe the quest for the “true” conservative. I do not believe that being of a conservative mindset means being closed minded. If we act and sound like the far right equivalent of the fanatical far left the political momentum shift to the left again.

Please no more inquisitions or fatwas.

oznerola on January 1, 2012 at 9:53 AM

So using a measely $10K to fight Obamacare is socialism?? Uh nooooo, it’s doing what the gov’t is elected to do. 70% or more of Americans don’t want Obamacare, so Krispy Kreme taking a mere $10K to fight it is doing what he was elected to do. That’s the whole point of gov’t, fighting for the causes that your constituents want.

And Kripsy Kreme has waffled back and forth on global warming just like Mittens. Those 2 clowns are made for each other.

These are 2 of the major core issues of conservatism that Krispy Kreme and Mittens have both been wrong on.

Stop pretending he’s something he’s not. THey’re both moderates. Stop trying to tell us real conseervatives they’re not, we’re not stupid enough to fall for it.

LevinFan on December 31, 2011 at 8:52 PM

1 – We’re talking about Christ Christie, not Romney. Unlike “identity conservatives” like Mike Levin and other supporters of Bush’s socialist agenda, I never called Romney a conservative. He was my 7th favorite candidate 4 years ago.

2 – Repeating ad nauseum your claims don’t make them true. Chris Christie isn’t wrong on Obamacare unless you’re for Obamacare. Which you would be if it was Bush proposing it. In fact, just 10 years ago, most (identity) “conservatives” supported solutions like Obamacare.

3 – It could be 1 dollar. It’s the principle, stupid. I’m astonished how can anyone call himself a conservative without understanding that the politicians have no right to spend others people money imposing their own agenda and set of beliefs. This is exactly the problem of “identity conservatism” that has been promoted by talk-radio in the past decade or so: conservatism became progressivism for people who go to Church, hunt and live in the South.

4 – Who cares if 70% of the people oppose or support whatever? If the majority of the population supported a single-payer system, would it make it conservative? If the majority supports the status quo on Medicare, doesn’t it mean that it’d be conservative to support it too?

5 – Fact: Christie was the only governor to pull out his state of the RGGI. Yet, you keep claiming he isn’t “conservative on global warming”. I’m sorry, but that’s not how grown ups argue.

Here’s something funny: many conservatives have no problem with the huge subsidies and tax expenditures that Perry gives away to the oil industry. Yet, if some guy spends 1% of that in a “green energy” company, he’ll be called a liberal (and rightly so). This is identity conservatism at his worst.

To sum up: Christie is a conservative, he has governed New Jersey conservatively – much more than Perry has governed Texas, for example, and you present no evidence whatsoever to call him a “moderate”. If you’re going to call it a moderate, I have no idea how do you come to believe that guys like Perry or Santorum are anything but radical leftists. Because you only have to look at their records to see they’ve been way to the left of Christie in most issues: especially fiscal/corporate welfare.

Then again, it’s not really about policy for folks like you. It’s all about identity.

joana on January 1, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Let’s face it. You do not have to be a talibangelical frothy mixture to be a conservative.

borntoraisehogs on January 2, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Santorum is not electable. He is nearly as theocratic as a mullah, and could not attract independent voters. Personally, I would not vote if Santorum were running for either POTUS or VPOTUS.
I will not vote for a far right wing nut.

scamp on January 2, 2012 at 10:34 AM

The problem for the GOP is that red state demands for purity lose elections. We lost to Obama in 2008 because we nominated a fiscal moderate from the sunbelt instead of a fiscal conservative from the NE. Rudy was leading Obama in the polls and was especially strong in the central swing states.

Oddly enough, red state voters still view McCain and Rudy as two moderates, though one was a fiscal moderate and the other a social moderate, two entirely different kinds of political animals. They make the same mistake judging Christie as a moderate. They ignore the strong fiscal conservatism of both Giuliani and Christie while emphasizing their social moderation. They do just the opposite with politicians from the sunbelt like McCain and Bush, both social conservatives, both fiscal moderates.

Yet Bush barely squeaked by in two elections. McCain did even worse. This tells us the real story which red state voters still don’t seem to appreciate. As things stand social conservatism still trumps fiscal conservatism in the primaries. Ironically, just the opposite is true in the general election.

writeblock on January 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM

To expand on my last post, Rick Santorum is not viewed as a moderate though his solutions to problems are within the framework of an ever-expanding federal government. He in no way embodies the reformist conservative principles of a Giuliani or a Christie. Yet both Giuliani and Christie are called moderates whereas nobody would think to call Santorum a moderate. Why is this? Because red state Republicans don’t view fiscal moderation with the same degree of repugnance as they view social moderation–even though we’re headed off the edge of a cliff economically and even though fiscal conservatism would have much more appeal in a general election. Therein lies our problem.

writeblock on January 2, 2012 at 11:30 AM

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