Santorum: Let’s face it, Chris Christie’s not a conservative

posted at 8:05 pm on December 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

We should get him a Hot Air comment account. He’d fit right in!

“No, they don’t know,” Santorum said today on the Jack Riccardi radio show when asked if Iowa voters “know” that Christie is a “big liberal Republican,” as the guest host phrased it. “I like Chris, I’ve known Chris for years — he’s a fun guy and he’s an interesting guy, but he’s certainly not a conservative Republican,” he added.

Santorum used Christie’s stumping for Romney as an opportunity to attack the Iowa frontrunner. “And that’s the kind of folks that Mitt Romney’s attracting, that’s why he’s bringing them out here; he’s trying to get the establishment Republicans,” he added. Santorum said that he is targeting “real conservatives, Reagan conservatives.”

Does the Reagan Library typically invite non-conservatives to speak?

But maybe he’s right. It’s true that Christie has some conservative heresies to his record, and it’s also true that he’s backed at least one major RINO over a more right-wing candidate in a primary. By that standard, he is pretty liberal.

Good thing we won’t end up with a guy like that as our nominee.


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Off thread slightly……..but I’m looking forward to THE HOBBIT.

Because by the time it’s in theaters in December 2012.

Obama will have only 5 wks left in office.

Think about that. This time next year we could be saying our farewells to the epic disaster of Cat 5 Hurricane Barack.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/news/1924217/2012s_12_highly_anticipated_movies/

PappyD61 on December 30, 2011 at 9:04 PM

So-called true conservatives are really dumb.

Chudi on December 30, 2011 at 9:00 PM

You insult conservatives a lot, but I never seen you post anything intelligent on here.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Kennedy won re-election by a 58 percent to 41 percent margin over Romney

Looks about even to me.

they lie on December 30, 2011 at 9:01 PM

And this was in 1994. The year of the red tsunami. Well it was MA and no Republicans ever win in MA, right? Wrong. On the same day when Willard lost by 20% to Kennedy, Bill Weld, a Republican, won the governorship with 70%.

angryed on December 30, 2011 at 9:05 PM

So-called true conservatives are really dumb.

Chudi on December 30, 2011 at 9:00 PM

And Mittbots are predictable in their ad hominem attacks.

angryed on December 30, 2011 at 9:06 PM

Yeah, that was Santorum’s one big screw up. He paid for it too. A lot of conservatives in PA hated him for that.

JellyToast on December 30, 2011 at 9:07 PM

I’ve noticed a lot of pundits get real defensive about the “RINO” accusation.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:08 PM

So-called true conservatives are really dumb.

Chudi on December 30, 2011 at 9:00 PM

You insult conservatives a lot, but I never seen you post anything intelligent on here.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:05 PM

What can he post? His boy wonder Willard has nothing positive to talk about. His entire record is liberal. His signature law is Obamacare, MA version. Ted Kennedy was at the signing ceremony.

They have nothing to run on. Their only method is to attack the opponent. No different than Obama’s strategy.

angryed on December 30, 2011 at 9:08 PM

I think Christie is great for NJ, and I admire him for what he’s done for that cesspool of a state. I don’t think he even comes close to being what is considered a conservative, here in Kentucky and most of the south, for that matter. I think it might be possible that our dem Governor is more conservative than Christie.

Like the rest of the field, Santorum has his flaws. He is less flawed and more conservative than the rest of the field though and that’s enough for me.

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Santorum had seniority on one of the important committees, too; Foreign Relations, I think. Santorum is quite well-versed on the Iran situation.

onlineanalyst on December 30, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Love your state. I visit a couple of times a year.

predator on December 30, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I noticed that some pundits didn’t object to Santorum being labeled a “pro-life statist” by the geniuses at RedState, but they complain when somebody points out that Christie isn’t all that conservative.

I’d rather be called a RINO than a statist.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:11 PM

And yet Coulter has the hots for both Christie & Romney. Hmmmmmm

29Victor on December 30, 2011 at 9:13 PM

What we need is a runoff primary system. It’s ridiculous that Willard will it all with 25% of the vote. We need a system where unless anyone getss 50%+1 of teh vote, the top two candidates go to a runoff.That’s how elections are held in most of Europe.

So you can have 10 candidates out there competing, but no single candidate can win 20% of the vote and be proclaimed the winner.

angryed on December 30, 2011 at 9:15 PM

The debate questions were stacked against Santorum throughout the last few weeks. They always focused on social conservative issues when, in fact, Santorum has strengths in all of the areas.

That said, Santorum probably does not stand a chance in the presidential arena this go-round, but he would be an asset on the cabinet.

onlineanalyst on December 30, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Note to Ricko…

… Chris Christie is not the current occupant of the White House.

You would do better if you spent your time attacking who is…

… Just sayin’.

Seven Percent Solution on December 30, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I don’t think you will find many pundits that will complain about what pundits on other sites say unless they or their sites are brought into the argument.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 9:16 PM

With this kind of infighting in the GOP, Obama’s going to have an easier time winning re-election that he ever imagined. Good job RNC, as usual.

angryed on December 30, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Coulter thought Fred Thompson was too liberal but Christie and Romney are rock solid conservatives.

She argues in her column today that Romney is the man on repealing Obamacare and fixing the immigration problem, despite RomneyCare and his past support for McCain’s amnesty plan.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:17 PM

And yet Coulter has the hots for both Christie & Romney. Hmmmmmm

29Victor on December 30, 2011 at 9:13 PM

From afar. She dated Bill Maher…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Love your state. I visit a couple of times a year.

predator on December 30, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Shhhhhh! Keep it to yourself, and tell everyone we are all just like Turtle Man. Don’t want what’s happened to North Carolina to happen to us.

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 9:18 PM

My goodness Allah, nice use of the claws there.

WealthofNations

Yeah, he broke a just painted fingernail with that one.

BoxHead1 on December 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:17 PM

She’s been in the D.C. area too long. She’s gone beltway, batsh!t crazy.

predator on December 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I don’t think you will find many pundits that will complain about what pundits on other sites say unless they or their sites are brought into the argument.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 9:16 PM

You don’t think Allahpundit was hiding a bit behind RedState to attack Santorum? The logic is RedState and Erick Erickson are considered awesome social conservatives so if they call Santorum a “pro life statist”, it must be true, despite the fact that Santorum has been praised by Club for Growth, Americans for Tax Reformm and other fiscal conservative groups.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 9:18 PM

:) It’s a little late for that. Everybody up here knows I have Blue Grass fever.

predator on December 30, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Coulters free to her opinion. She’s better on political philosphy stuff than candidates, in my opinion.

I think she prefers canadidates from her part of the country. Most voters are like that.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Chris Christie has appointed a sharia demanding Islamist to a judgeship in New Jersey, he’s refused to take on the anti-Semitic Islamists in the Muslim enclaves he’s cozy with. Just the other week he had an opportunity to take a stand when a child was used to read an anti-Semitic prepared statement (written by his anti-Semitic father) at a town hall meeting, but he didn’t. Look, I can understand your supporting your choice of candidate, but deliberately attacking Santorum in such a misleading manner is wrong, and will backfire.

Ceolas on December 30, 2011 at 8:31 PM

+1 he’s a big dhimmi..no pun intended..also he’s no conservative

this comment by him really really did it for me as someone who doesn’t have a clue

“Sharia law has nothing to do with this at all. It’s crazy. It’s crazy,” Christie said at a press conference Wednesday. “The guy’s an American citizen who has been an admitted lawyer to practice in the state of New Jersey, swearing an oath to uphold the laws of New Jersey, the constitution of the state of New Jersey, and the Constitution of the United States of America . . . .This Sharia law business is crap. It’s just crazy. And I’m tired of dealing with the crazies.”

sadsushi on December 30, 2011 at 9:21 PM

I think Christie is in love with himself and his words. Meh.

The thought of Romneygeddon is a horrible one. If he gets to be prez, he’ll just take us over the cliff a little more slowly than Obama — that’s the only difference between the two.

I think the republican establishment has screwed the pooch on this one. Not the first time they’ve done that either.

Conservchik on December 30, 2011 at 9:23 PM

onlineanalyst on December 30, 2011 at 9:02 PM

so what’re the chances the Unibrow loses his Senate bid in PA next year?

8 weight on December 30, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Romney and Christie —> 2 RINO Dhimmis. SCOTUS, anyone?

Connie on December 30, 2011 at 9:24 PM

tjexcite on December 30, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Interesting test, thanks for posting it. I fell into the Libertarian-Right quadrant with a 3.5 on Economic and -1.28 for Social Libertarian/Authoritarian. Not sure what that means really, but still an interesting test nonetheless.

As for Christie, I’ll take him over Santorum any day. He’s certainly a breath of fresh air for New Jersey.

JohnAGJ on December 30, 2011 at 9:26 PM

If Guiliani (sp?) can’t win states outside of the Northeast, Christie won’t either.

Political reality.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:28 PM

If Guiliani (sp?) can’t win states outside of the Northeast, Christie won’t either.

Political reality.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Mittbots think Romney can win NJ, NY and New England. Why not? Maybe California too. And Illinois. Why not?

angryed on December 30, 2011 at 9:31 PM

It’s time for the excuses for Republicans in blue states to come to an end.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Like New Jersey’s next door neighbor: Pennsylvania.

PA voters were hoodwinked into believing that Bob Casey Jr. had the same pro-life convictions as his dad had. Daddy Casey was highly thought of in PA. Sonny boy Casey had the same kind of non-entity record in the PA Assembly as Obama had in IL.

onlineanalyst on December 30, 2011 at 9:02 PM

I always knew Sonny Casey was a jerk. How the Dems humiliated his dad at the 1992 convention must have made some kind of impression because he’s sided with the Dems and their pro-abortion views ever since.

PatriotGal2257 on December 30, 2011 at 9:31 PM

At first I thought Christie was our fat Reagan….

nooooo….he’s just fat.

Green eyed Lady on December 30, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Santorum is too kind to that fat slob RINO.

Norwegian on December 30, 2011 at 9:34 PM

At first I thought Christie was our fat Reagan….

nooooo….he’s just fat.

Green eyed Lady on December 30, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Dress him in a Hoodie, sweat pants and put him on an electric scooter and he could pass for a people of wal mart.

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 9:36 PM

Santorum is too kind to that fat slob RINO.

Norwegian on December 30, 2011 at 9:34 PM

For a second there I thought you were talking about Rush.

rubberneck on December 30, 2011 at 9:37 PM

I wish Christie had run. It would have been fun watching him come in last in every early state.

BoxHead1 on December 30, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Santorum should be careful not to burn so many bridges. I don’t see any Huckabee like openings for him.

aryeung on December 30, 2011 at 9:46 PM

How is Christie a bridge for Santorum?

Christie is pushing Romney. Doesn’t that kind of underscore Santorum’s argument that Christie isn’t a conservative?

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM

No I don’t. Sen. Santorum’s endorsement of Arlen Spector stands on its own.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 9:50 PM

I wish Christie had run. It would have been fun watching him come in last in every early state.

BoxHead1 on December 30, 2011 at 9:44 PM

For sure he would have finished VERY low in Iowa. No doubt.

KirknBurker on December 30, 2011 at 9:53 PM

How is Christie a bridge for Santorum?
Christie is pushing Romney. Doesn’t that kind of underscore Santorum’s argument that Christie isn’t a conservative?
Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:48 PM

Santorum doesn’t have a shot at the presidency. I’m not sure FOX wants him back.

aryeung on December 30, 2011 at 9:54 PM

What about the RedState accusation that Santorum is a statist?

Does that stand on it’s own? Or is it hack stuff?

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:54 PM

According to half the people on Hot Air, they are the only conservative people. If you have even a single heresy, off with your head.

andy85719 on December 30, 2011 at 8:10 PM

Amen

The Notorious G.O.P on December 30, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Santorum endorsed Specter in exchange for a commitment to put conservatives on the Supreme Court. We got Alito and Roberts out of that deal. Toomey supported Sotomayor. If you want to argue that Toomey is more conservative than Specter, I’ll have to wonder what you are smoking.

gocatholic on December 30, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Andy would have a point if Romney had some conservative accomplishments.

I love it when moderates act like Romney was almost pure. Get informed, or stop being a hack.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:57 PM

RINOS of a feather, sink together.

Conservchik on December 30, 2011 at 9:58 PM

For sure he would have finished VERY low in Iowa. No doubt.

KirknBurker

Giuliani finished 4th in NH. Christie is no Giuliani.

BoxHead1 on December 30, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Hasn’t Toomey been pushing for a deal with Democrats that includes tax hikes?

I read something about him that made it seem like he isn’t the conservative people thought he was.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:58 PM

gocatholic on December 30, 2011 at 9:56 PM

That may be but the average voter doesn’t know the inside baseball deals just the optics of Arlen Spector who then stabbed the Republicans in the back.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Santorum endorsed Specter in exchange for a commitment to put conservatives on the Supreme Court. We got Alito and Roberts out of that deal. Toomey supported Sotomayor. If you want to argue that Toomey is more conservative than Specter, I’ll have to wonder what you are smoking.
gocatholic on December 30, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Would you prefer we had Arlen Specter back?

aryeung on December 30, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Yes, but Cindy, you moderates don’t have a problem ith Christie endorsing Romney and Mike Castle and other liberal Republicans.

You only care about Arlen Spector and Santorum. Why is that, you think? :)

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM

The hypocrisy charge generally goes both ways. :)

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Hasn’t Toomey been pushing for a deal with Democrats that includes tax hikes?
I read something about him that made it seem like he isn’t the conservative people thought he was.
Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Where as Arlen Specter was a known liberal Republican.

aryeung on December 30, 2011 at 10:04 PM

The hypocrisy accusation is always more powerful when the person making it is not being a hypocrite in doing so. :)

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Yes, but Cindy, you moderates don’t have a problem ith Christie endorsing Romney and Mike Castle and other liberal Republicans.
You only care about Arlen Spector and Santorum. Why is that, you think? :)
Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Last time I saw, Mrs Munford was not in camp Romney. Projecting?

aryeung on December 30, 2011 at 10:06 PM

Yay! Another “(insert anyone’s name here) is basically a socialist” circle jerk by HotAir’s holier than thou commenters.

mattshu on December 30, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Santorum has paid and will continue to pay for the ill advised endorsement of Spector, even if it was the price for ensuring two conservatives got appointed to the Supreme Court. As has been pointed out Romney got crushed by Kennedy in a very Republican year, so Santorum’s shelacking in a very Democratic year comes out a wash. A statist…unfortunately anyone who doesn’t operate under the severe dillusion that we can somehow return the structure of government to the 1800 model, is given that label. It’s tossed around so much now that is has lost most of its meaning.

ironmarshal on December 30, 2011 at 10:08 PM

I didn’t support Santorum endorsing Specter.

But this is minor stuff. He’s clean on healthcare, unlike Romney. I think he’s great on taxes and solid on spending.

Their are two main reasons why some Republican pundits are attacking Santorum right now.

Some are attacking him b/c polling shows he is hurting Perry in Iowa. The RedStaters resort to calling him a statist…basically going full retard with mindless hyperbole.

Some are attacking him because he’s a social conservative, pro-life and anti-gay marriage. These pundits put gay issues in the top 5 of important issues. In some cases, it’s their #1 issue.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:09 PM

That should have been delusion but you know what I meant.

ironmarshal on December 30, 2011 at 10:10 PM

I don’t care what camp Munford is in. She’s one vote.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:11 PM

If Christie is such a conservative badazz, why couldn’t he add NJ to the states fighting Obamacare?

If he refuses to challenge Obama on Obamacare, he is a moderate. He can whine about it all he wants, but it is true.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:15 PM

aryeung on December 30, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Well actually I do have a candidate, I have stated that I will vote for Newt in the primary. It is mostly a contrarian vote against the continued personal attacks on any candidate who’s polls seem to indicate competition to Gov. Romney. I don’t actually think Newt can win the nomination but I am truly tired of attempts at manipulating the voters.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Cindy, I hate disagreeing with you because everybody knows you are Most Respected Commentator. :)

It’s like disagreeing with God. You alwawys feel a little guilty.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:19 PM

If Christie is such a conservative badazz, why couldn’t he add NJ to the states fighting Obamacare?

If he refuses to challenge Obama on Obamacare, he is a moderate. He can whine about it all he wants, but it is true.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Because he’s a great NJ conservative, but not a conservative at all outside of NJ. Romney is a great Mass. conservative as well.

Norky on December 30, 2011 at 10:20 PM

What about the RedState accusation that Santorum is a statist?

Does that stand on it’s own? Or is it hack stuff?

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Santorum, and a great many of the social conservatives are pro-life statists. Let’s not forget that he also voted for No Child Left Behind, Creating the DHS, and Medicare D government expansions among others while in the Senate.

Mitch Daniels was right when he called for a truce on social issues this go round so we could focus on the fiscal catastrophe at hand, but the SoCons would have none of that… And here we are.

Neomom on December 30, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Jersey style?

Is that anything like “If they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun?” (BHO ref: HRC in the 2008 primary)

Or does it just mean slums, smoke, taxes and corruption?

IndieDogg on December 30, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM

My argument was about Allahpundit “hiding behind” RedState, not who I am supporting. Do you even read what you say? Thanks for calling me a moderate, normally I’m accused of being one of those nasty “true conservatives”.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Mitch Daniels is as bad on healthcare as Romney is. His healthcare idea fosters dependency on the government, and it’s more insidious b/c it’s less obvious to people.

That guy is no fiscal conservative. He jacked up taxes first thing as govenor, he raised cigarette taxes (morality police), he banned smoking in private restaurants, etc.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Oh well, yes, I think it’s obvious Allahpundit was hiding behind RedState when he posted their silly assertion that Santy is a statist.

He didn’t challenge it, did he? Seems like tacit agreement to me.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Don’t be silly, we all have opinions and none of us ever agree on everything. Opinions are just that opinions, and you haven’t been disrespectful in stating yours or disagreeing with mine, that’s all any of us can ask.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 10:25 PM

I also noted that Red State had the same Spector endorsement video up that Allahpundit put up.

Could just be a coincidence.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:27 PM

I don’t hate anybody for having an opinion. That’s what freedom is all about.

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 30, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Ah, I missed that, but the endorsement has come up several times lately along with several other things to help explain why he lost his reelection. It’s unfortunate, he has some great conservative credentials.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Another reason to like Santorum.

Elisa on December 30, 2011 at 10:48 PM

You know a conservative by the amount of time the national media attacks them. Especially if they have power. The fact the media have hardly lifted a finger attacking either Chris Christie or Mitt Romney should tell you all you need to know. Oprah LOVES the fat man.

Mitt Romney is a less trustworthy and less likable Scott Brown. And Chris Christie is a more pro life Olympia Snowe, with a budget to balance and occasional PMS.

The idea that Rick Santorum is not dramatically more conservative then either Mitt or Christie is laughable.

KMav on December 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM

When Christie can bend over and pick up a spoon I throw on the floor, I will listen to him. Well, OK. I lower the bar to if he can button all the buttons on that coat he’s wearing and still breath. That boy has one big appetite. Big Momma in the White House was be appalled.

Chudi “So-called true conservatives are really dumb.”
But I don’t consider myself to be a “so-called” conservative, just a plain ol’ conservative. What about us?

Gee, I wish I was half as smart as so-called Chudi. Oh wait, I would still be really dumb. Maybe if I was TWICE as smart as so-called Chudi. Nope – I would still be really dumb. How about if I was as-far-as-you-can-go and then to infinity and then plus one as smart as so-called Chudi? Again, still really dumb.

I give up. I’m gonna go and thump my bible and cling to my gun for awhile.

Horace on December 30, 2011 at 10:56 PM

I’d call Christie a right-leaning moderate, which in New Jersey is good enough for me for a statewide office.

Jake_W on December 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM

PappyD61

I hate to nitpick, but your calculations are off. NoBama won’t have 5 weeks left in office when the Hobbit movie comes out in December 2012.

According to the never-been-wrong-yet Mayan calendar, the world will end at 2:47 p.m. EST on December 21, 2012. Therefore, NoBama’s one and only term in office will end 29 days, 14 hours and 47 minutes early.

So Long and Thanks for All the Fish.

Horace on December 30, 2011 at 11:09 PM

All of this posturing on who is or isn’t a conservative is masked by the fact that for the past five Decades the leftists, LSM, and most polls on both sides, label anyone even faintly right of a pure Marxist a conservative. The fact is there are only two even close to being conservative running for the R nomination, Santorum and Bachmann. To know if a politician is a conservative look at his/her record, not what he/she says. Neither Christie nor Romney are conservative; they both are progressives/liberals at best. Putting a capital R behind one’s name does not make one a conservative. The Republican party is filled with liberals that fled the Marxist takeover of the D Party over the past Century.

aposematic on December 30, 2011 at 11:10 PM

29Victor

RE: Coulter/Romney/Christie

If you put Ann Coulter in the classic Ted Kennedy/Chris Dodd “Waitress Sandwich” with her to crushes, she ends up between a slice of thinly-sliced white lite bread and a whole loaf of pumpernickel.

Horace on December 30, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Is Steyn backing Mitt? Or has he not said?

predator on December 30, 2011 at 8:31 PM

No. Steyn can’t stand Romney or Newt. He’s been clear about that in several interviews. Kaffa is just a Newt fan so anyone who “attacks” Newt is automatically for Romney (or some such idiocy).

Unlike Coulter, who is more Republican cheerleader than conservative ideologue (like Steyn), Steyn opposes what he sees as those candidates who are insufficiently alarmed at the country’s situation. Steyn’s fears are encapsulated (if in slightly exaggerated form for rhetorical power) in After America, and he sees the Mitts & Newts of the Republican field as content to tweak the margins at a time when drastic, course-altering, politically-suicidal, structural changes need to be made to the system. If I recall an interview with him correctly, I think he initially favored Cain.

Coulter wants her team to hold power and, if possible, advance the ball (in that order of priority). Steyn doesn’t seem to care about the party labels if the outcome is the same.

Harpazo on December 30, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Jake_W

Don’t lean Christie too far, cause if he falls over on ya….

Horace on December 30, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Harpazo on December 30, 2011 at 11:21 PM

I love Steyn but he can afford to hate everyone since he doesn’t get to vote.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM

Bottome line is that most of you make your decisons about who is a “True Conservative” based on what Rush, Mark and Sean say they are.

A. They Said Romney was in 2008 B. They’ve been wrong about just about every candidate this cycle.

Since Bill Buckley is dead, seems to be it’s almost more important to figure out what “Conservative” means without simply regurgitating what it means from millionaire pot stirrers in NYC, VA and Florida.

It dooesn’t mean, these days, what it meant in 1985. Even Michael Reagan said that. I find the equation fairly simple. Liberals want to make the US into a Western European Social Welfare State and pay for it by winding down our Military.

Who doesn’t want that to happen who can get independent voters?

Simple. Mitt Romney…..and about 5 other guys who chose not to run this cycle. Including Christie. I think Ann Coulter had this right all along.

AYNBLAND on December 30, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Hey this politician isn’t as conservative as me! I’m gonna make fatty jokes! Hey that political pundit I’ve agreed with for years has a different opinion than me on said politician – she’s a whore! That one over there has really packed on the pounds too! Blahblahblah…..RINOs….Blahblahblah…..misspell president’s name…..Blahblahblah……Palin.

The current state of conservative discourse on the internet.

almosthandsome on December 30, 2011 at 11:56 PM

I love Steyn but he can afford to hate everyone since he doesn’t get to vote.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM

That’s true. It’s also irrelevant to predator’s question and Kaffa’s false assumptions, which was the context of my comments.

Harpazo on December 30, 2011 at 11:59 PM

Harpazo on December 30, 2011 at 11:59 PM

This is an election of odd alliances.

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2011 at 12:03 AM

I used to think I was really conservative. Everybody I know thinks that. I was the one person in college who would stand up to the uber-liberal professors & debate them in class (most of the professors even enjoyed it). To my non-political friends, I’m the go to guy on what a conservative point of view is. Most of my friends are conservative. But I’m the one they think is even more so.

After the last few months of reading my normal conservative blogs I have been wondering if I really am as conservative as I thought I was.

I was someone for whom Romney wasn’t a good enough candidate. I was holding out for one of the others. I was a Cain fan for the first little bit before it became painfully obvious he was woefully unprepared. I bounced around. But this weird Conservative hate toward Romney has pushed me in his direction & made me wonder why I’d want to be a part of this club of super-conservatives who believe that purity in loss is the only answer.

Is Pragmatist a political party? Maybe I’m becoming one of those.

mattshu on December 31, 2011 at 12:11 AM

mattshu on December 31, 2011 at 12:11 AM

It’s funny because while I knew there were no perfect candidates, again, I’ve decided to support Newt as a push back. We all react differently to what we are fed.

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Oh stop it.

Santorum is far right, so far he goes past a real conservative into saying the government should regulate our sex lives. He’s in the looney bin category when it comes to gays. It makes him insane. He’s an embarrassment and what positive things has he done? At least Christie has a fiscal track record now.

Dash on December 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM

On the one hand, Santorum’s embrace of Specter in 2004 wasn’t a bad thing. Toomey won a close election in 2010, amongst the best cycles the Republican party has had in the last fifty years. This was after he was able to spend over an year campaigning as a General Election candidate.

So it seems likely that Toomey would have lost a General Election in 2004. In that case, instead of 1 1/2 years of Specter as a Democrat, you would have a full term of a Democrat with a 100% rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America (in contrast to Specter’s 20%).

That Democrat might still be Senator. While 2010 was awesome for Republicans, only two incumbent Democrats (Feingold and Lincoln) lost in the General Elections.

Toomey as the Republican nominee in 2004 would have probably have weakened Bush in Pennsylvania, which would have meant Democrats wouldn’t have needed to spend as much money in the state.

On the other hand, someone making these strategic arguments shouldn’t complain about Christie not being conservative enough.

Mister Mets on December 31, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Why is it classified as “hate” if you are critical of Romney and accurately label him a moderate at best?

There’s nothing hateful or nutty about calling Romney and Christie what they are. They are both moderate Republicans.

You can whine about that all you want but I got their records and statements to back it up.

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Dash on December 31, 2011 at 12:42 AM

I don’t think you really believe or fear that Rick Santorum is going to put “Big Brother eyes” into our homes, bedrooms, motel rooms, cabins, tents, parked vehicles, whore houses, and any other place I haven’t where people engage in sexual activity (commercial aircraft restrooms?).
Nope, YOU oppose Rick on some other basis, that “won’t sell”, so you can’t be open and honest about it.
So all you anti-Santorum types have is:

“HE WANTS TO MONITOR THE SEXUAL ACTIVITY OF ALL OF US. HE WANTS TOTAL CONTROL OVER WHAT WE DO OR DON’T DO, IN THE ACT OF SEX! HE WANTS TO ABOLISH ALL SODOMY!
HE WANTS TO ABOLISH ALL SEX, PERIOD. HE WANTS ALL FUTURE HUMAN REPRODUCTION TO BE BY ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION ONLY! IS THIS THE KIND OF MAN WE WANT IN THE OVAL ORIFICE, oops, I MEAN OFFICE? NO I SAY, NO! DON’T STAND FOR IT AMERICA! SEX, SEX, SEX. THAT’S ALL HE’S ABOUT!”

So far, I haven’t heard Rick say a syllable in Iowa about any aspect of human sexuality. If he has, then I’ll concede I missed it.

But . . . YOU KNOW he’s thinking it, don’t you? He doesn’t have you fooled for one second. Nope, not at all.

listens2glenn on December 31, 2011 at 1:23 AM

Mitt Romney and Christie are not moderate.

They are Northeastern liberal republicans,
two RINOs at best.

TEX on December 31, 2011 at 1:28 AM

Dr. Tesla on December 31, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Yeah, why is that?

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2011 at 1:31 AM

listens2glenn on December 31, 2011 at 1:23 AM

Since you’re only judging by what the candidates are currently saying and their previous statements don’t register for you, does that mean you support Romney? Or Newt?

They’re both being judged by ultra conservatives for the things they’ve done in the past that are less than 100% conservative according to the absolutists. For the most part they’re both saying the right things during the current campaign.

mattshu on December 31, 2011 at 1:33 AM

Mister Mets on December 31, 2011 at 12:46 AM

I disagree with you on this point: I believe Pat Toomey would have won the 2004 general, if he’d won the primary. I believe Pat would have won the primary, if Rick and G.W. would have simply “shut-up and said nothing.” Pat Toomey didn’t need their endorsements, to win. He needed for Arlen to not have been endorsed by the White House, and then Sen Santorum.
My opinion of course, if you disagree; so be it.
But I do think he would have won.

listens2glenn on December 31, 2011 at 1:38 AM

mattshu on December 31, 2011 at 1:33 AM

I heard his previous statements concerning where he stood (and I’m sure, still stands) on homosexuality and sodomy. I don’t believe that’s going to be a priority of his, if elected.

Mostly, my previous post was my pointing out that I don’t believe any of you honestly live in “fear and anxiety” of Rick Santorum’s special “anti-homosex & sodomy police force.”
I do think there’s something else about him that really sticks in your craw, and on that you are silent.

listens2glenn on December 31, 2011 at 1:52 AM

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