Obama camp pretty darned fake-angry at Romney’s son for mentioning birth certificate

posted at 9:05 pm on December 30, 2011 by Allahpundit

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At an event in New Hampshire today, Romney’s adult son Matt Romney responded to a question regarding the potential release of his father’s tax returns with a joke alluding to doubts about Mr. Obama’s place of birth: “I heard someone suggest the other day that as soon as Obama releases his grades and birth certificate and sort of a long list of things, then maybe he’d do it,” he said…

In an email to supporters today about the joke, Obama for America campaign manager Jim Messina wrote, “This is how the Romney campaign thinks it’s going to win the Republican primary: by pandering to the dead-ender fringe of extremists who still question where the president was born.”

While asking for a donation, Messina said, “we can drive up the cost of this kind of politics… when they do this, you’ve got to do something about it.”

The email was sent under the subject line, “Donald Trump or Mitt Romney?” in reference to Trump’s persistent questions about Mr. Obama’s origins, which ultimately prompted the president to release his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii.

Romney’s son, reverting to strict-message-discipline mode, has already apologized on Twitter. Six months of this awaits next year, guys. Six months of Team O arguing that Romney’s simultaneously (a) an unpredictable opportunist with no principled core and (b) a wild-eyed ideologue ready to push the same radical right-wing agenda on America that he pushed on Massachusetts when he … signed a health-care mandate into law. If you thought the daily ins-and-outs of the Obama/McCain race were dreary, wait until we start covering Obama/Romney. Second look at turning HA into a gossip site?

I’m not familiar with this pollster but they’ve got Romney opening up a seven-point lead in Iowa over Santorum and a 10-point lead over Paul. Nate Silver’s statistical model now gives him a 63 percent chance of winning the state; Paul comes second at 20 percent. Shhhhhhh. It’ll all be over soon.

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What scientific viewpoint is there in economics? I’m not attacking economics because I was never good at it, but economics is not equal to science.

There has been a decent mathematicization of economics, most notably really launched with Von Neumann and Morgenstern’s “The Theory of Games and Economic Behavior”, and there is a good amount of hard math in other parts. Economics is still a very soft science, because there are just too many unknowns and free variables and the like. But it could be mathematized, at least Von Neumann was convinced so, and he pretty much knew everything.

Science is based on hypothesis. And then you test the hypothesis. Economics is based on statistics and real data.

Nothing scary about law. :) I believe in law and order.

Midwestprincesse on December 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Science is anything that pertains to the application of mathematical models to the world – and assuming the accuracy and predictive nature of those models, as can be somehow measured. The accuracy of the presented models and the predictions made from them tend to lead us to call the pursuit either a “hard” or “soft” science.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 30, 2011 at 11:12 PM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Romney hits Obama every day.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 30, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Perhaps, but he hits fellow Republicans much harder.

CurtZHP on December 30, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Just like McCain.

Kevin71 on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

I don’t care what a bunch of rich spoiled brats have to say.

Just another symptom of Generation Me.

ButterflyDragon on December 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Class warfare? Really?

csdeven on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Law school is generally a joke.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 30, 2011 at 10:51 PM

I always enjoy when people, because I’m assuming that you’re not an attorney, laugh at the LSAT.

Midwestprincesse on December 30, 2011 at 10:55 PM

Anyone can see what kinds of questions are on the LSAT, but looking at one of the test prep books. Reading comprehension, logic, etc. Maybe individually they don’t look very intimidating. But solving problems of reading comprehension and logic for several hours is a different matter.

Dextrous on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

If he defers to 0bama on anything that can be painted as controversial, he will lose the election. Count on it.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:17 PM

That said, of course, I don’t think he’s a genius. Getting a high LSAT score does not mean intelligent.

Midwestprincesse on December 30, 2011 at 11:07 PM

I guarantee you that Barky didn’t get a high LSAT score. GUARANTEE. The idiot spoke of “profit AND earnings ratios”, which showed that he has the mathematical sophistication of a slow 8th grader – aside from the fact that he doesn’t know what a P/E ratio is and doesn’t instinctively realize that profits and earnings are the same thing. Seriously. He translated division/a ratio into “AND”. AND! That’s insane. It’s ridiculous. It’s something that your average junior high school American kid would never do. It shows that Barky doesn’t do mathematical word problems well – forget the actual calculations. He scored an 880, tops, on the SAT and I would bet that his LSAT was just as pathetic. (note: I’m talking old people SAT scores, here, just math and verbal)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 30, 2011 at 11:17 PM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

You can largely thank Gingrich for that.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 30, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Don’t forget the president was a pothead and a cokehead. The brain stops learning when you use these drugs regularly.

He skated by, yep.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:19 PM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

God:

Relax Cindy. Stop trying to run things.

:) … gotta go pray now and make sure I’m still good to go.

Axe on December 30, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Romney’s so genteel. Just like Bush 41. I don’t know if a genteel candidate can beat an unprincipled dirty fighter like 0bama.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:21 PM

Nothing scary about law. :)

Midwestprincesse on December 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Most politicians are lawyers.

csdeven on December 30, 2011 at 11:22 PM

You can largely thank Gingrich for that.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 30, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Why is that?

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Axe on December 30, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Sorry, I truly have more faith than it appears.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Science is anything that pertains to the application of mathematical models to the world – and assuming the accuracy and predictive nature of those models, as can be somehow measured. The accuracy of the presented models and the predictions made from them tend to lead us to call the pursuit either a “hard” or “soft” science.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 30, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Did you know that the LSAT contains a Games section. It is much like you described. In the general sense, at least.

Anyone can see what kinds of questions are on the LSAT, but looking at one of the test prep books. Reading comprehension, logic, etc. Maybe individually they don’t look very intimidating. But solving problems of reading comprehension and logic for several hours is a different matter.

Dextrous on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Yes, I’ve now taken the ACT, SAT, GRE and LSAT. Ugh to all of them. LSAT was the worst. The worst part of it all was getting tested on a random section. Who wants to be tested on unqualifying questions? No one. :) I took two prep classes for it. Bye bye money.

I will just disagree with those on Obama and his LSAT score. :) No worries. We will agree on far more things in regards to our dislike in his policies and beyond.

Midwestprincesse on December 30, 2011 at 11:24 PM

You can largely thank Gingrich for that.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 30, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Naw. It’s his magic jammies and Satanic rituals performed in the super duper secret rooms in the Salt Lake Temple.

csdeven on December 30, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Why is that?

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Gingrich made Romney look good by comparison and in all manner of ways. Even knocking Romney for “RomneyCare” (perhaps his biggest vulnerability) when it was already in the record that Gingrich had praised it earlier and that was bound to come out.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Sorry, I truly have more faith than it appears.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Well, truly, you know, and in our mutual defense, it’s stormy and everything. We’re all a little freaked.

Axe on December 30, 2011 at 11:29 PM

And Barky is an idiot. Truly. I’d peg his IQ around 86. He doesn’t understand fractions or percentages (which sets his max SAT math score somewhere around 420) and his English sucks, too. Have you ever read his nearly incoherent writings? Listend to his SOTU? Any of them? The guy is clearly an idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 30, 2011 at 11:01 PM

We’ve got to be careful that we don’t start sounding like the KOS loons who ranted about what an evil genius Bush was and then in almost the same sentence denigrated him for being a low-IQ functional idiot.

I personally don’t think Obama is super smart; I do think he has political savvy and a hard-core marxist ideology and has surrounded himself with like-minded ideologues who also aren’t necessarily really bright but are street fighters. His personality displays that he would never have anyone on his staff who is smarter than he on any topic because that would make him feel inferior. Those are all characteristics that could be used to defeat him if we had a nominee with a pair and a spine and if the GOP leadership also had a couple among them.

AZfederalist on December 30, 2011 at 11:33 PM

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 30, 2011 at 11:28 PM

He should of couched it as an idea that had held a lot of popularity(including the Heritage Foundation) but had been proven not to work in practice, it would have explained his change of mind and separated him from Romney who still stands by it. Add to that that he was instrumental in killing Hillarycare and he would have had a strong argument. You are probably right that it is too late now.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Axe on December 30, 2011 at 11:29 PM

At least we know we are forgiven.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:39 PM

We forget that at some point during the general, the Dems would open up the “magic jammies” can against Romney, to try to peel off 2% by convincing southern fundamentalists that his religion is satanic.

2% might get it done, too.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:41 PM

We’ve got to be careful that we don’t start sounding like the KOS loons who ranted about what an evil genius Bush was and then in almost the same sentence denigrated him for being a low-IQ functional idiot.

AZfederalist on December 30, 2011 at 11:33 PM

No danger of that. Barky has never shown any signs of intelligence, whatsoever. He’s a malevolent retard. Plain and simple. Lucky for him, destruction is easy to do. No skills required. Just the motivation to destroy and an imperviousness to humiliation. The guy makes a fool of himself every few days, but it never fazes him. The umbrella thing really was a classic. And that can, quite easily, be looked at as a quickie IQ test.

His personality displays that he would never have anyone on his staff who is smarter than he on any topic because that would make him feel inferior. Those are all characteristics that could be used to defeat him if we had a nominee with a pair and a spine and if the GOP leadership also had a couple among them.

Actually, he doesn’t care how smart anyone around him is. He doesn’t listen to anyone, really. He does whatever he wants to do and pushes all the work off the things he doesn’t really care about. But he’s not intimidated by anyone else’s intellect. He’s too dumb to be intimidated … or to be able to recognize intelligence, anyway. Seriously.

If anyone ever made him bad, in any way, he’d just fire them or transfer them. He pulled that with the press corpse during the 2008 election. And they slobbered after him even more for it. It was embarrassing to watch.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on December 30, 2011 at 11:41 PM

Despite ongoing, unanswered questions about his geographic origins, Obama does not meet the requirements to be a natural-born citizen for two possible other reasons:

1) His alleged biological father, Barack Obama Sr., was not a U.S. Citizen

2) He was adopted by his muslim, Indonesian step-father, Lolo Soetoro, in the mid 1960s thereby taking Indonesian citizenship, thus forfeiting natural-born status.

Capt-Dax on December 30, 2011 at 11:43 PM

The guy is clearly an idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on Dec 30, 2011 at 11:01

How dare you! He is obviously a moron, not an idiot!

VBMax on December 30, 2011 at 11:45 PM

I don’t think he’s dumb; he’s indoctrinated and incurious.

He learned all the Marxist ideology in college by rote, didn’t have the intellectual curiosity to explore how it might or might not work for America, and he is implementing it.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:45 PM

Capt-Dax on December 30, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Some of us tried to discuss all that, but this site was not the place for serious, open-minded discussion on that topic.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:46 PM

Capt-Dax on December 30, 2011 at 11:43 PM

I’m with you as well, but this sure ain’t the choir you’re preaching to
here.

VBMax on December 30, 2011 at 11:51 PM

How dare you! He is obviously a moron, not an idiot!

VBMax on December 30, 2011 at 11:45 PM

On behalf of Moron’s United, I’d like to register our formal offense at the use of of the term “Moron” being used as a pejorative describing obvious idiots.

Axe on December 30, 2011 at 11:54 PM

Hey Mitt, tell your male model looking kid to shut the f*** up. Tell him that any Birther, Trump accolyte or Alex Jones freak is persona non grata and just…………..shut the f*** up.

Rush and Levin said you were the “Conservative” last go round, be that man and keep your kid in check.

AYNBLAND on December 30, 2011 at 11:57 PM

For all you Romney haters, let me refer you to the Kubler-Ross model of dealing with grief etc. It’ll help you see where your life is headed for the next months.

csdeven on December 30, 2011 at 11:39 PM

csdeven’s way of winning friends and influencing people. Newsflash: it’s not working.

ElectricPhase on December 31, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Agreed. I fought the “birther” battle here with logic, and was rewarded with intellectually incurious vitriol.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM

That’s possibly the best description I’ve read of the reaction of many when the subject of the incredible dearth of verifiable information on “Obama”‘s sketchy birth/life narrative is brought up.

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 12:15 AM

csdeven’s way of winning friends and influencing people. Newsflash: it’s not working.

ElectricPhase on December 31, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Condescension and snark seldom do.

AZfederalist on December 31, 2011 at 12:18 AM

csdeven on December 30, 2011 at 11:39 PM

You celebrate way too early, aside from being insufferably arrogant. Your tears will be very salty.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:23 AM

Capt-Dax on December 30, 2011 at 11:43 PM

I’m with you.

ITguy on December 31, 2011 at 12:28 AM

It always cracks me up when faceless internet commenters question the skill,intelligence,drive,etc of those in rare positions. Fact is Obama had the drive to run for president and eons. If he’s “dumb” then what are you? I can grantee he’s not a member of some message board posting about you.

Its similar to those fans in the stands who call professional athletes bums when they Ness up. Its a reason their on the field and you’re in the stands.

Politricks on December 31, 2011 at 12:29 AM

We forget that at some point during the general, the Dems would open up the “magic jammies” can against Romney, to try to peel off 2% by convincing southern fundamentalists that his religion is satanic.

2% might get it done, too.

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:41 PM

You’re fooling yourself if you think there is one GOP candidate that can’t have 2% peeled off because of some real or imagined issue.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:30 AM

I wrote that on a touch screen in the sauna. Forgive the errors…

Politricks on December 31, 2011 at 12:31 AM

I wrote that on a touch screen in the sauna. Forgive the errors…

Politricks on December 31, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Oh, so you didn’t mean to come across as an arrogant, condescending p***k? Had no idea that a wet touch screen could erroneously write screed like that.

AZfederalist on December 31, 2011 at 12:34 AM

I wrote that on a touch screen in the sauna. Forgive the errors…

Politricks on December 31, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Your spelling/typing errors are the least of your problems. Watch the temperature, in more ways than one.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:37 AM

You celebrate way too early, aside from being insufferably arrogant. Your tears will be very salty.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:23 AM

Don’t you think you should lighten up? Just a little maybe?

And I guarantee you that there will be no tears. First, I don’t take this blog serious enough to get upset. Second, why would I be upset if Romney isn’t the nominee? I am committed to getting behind our nominee 100%. That doesn’t leave me any time for being upset about Romney.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Oh, so you didn’t mean to come across as an arrogant, condescending p***k? Had no idea that a wet touch screen could erroneously write screed like that.

AZfederalist on December 31, 2011 at 12:34 AM

Better put some ice on that.
/

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 12:39 AM

csdeven’s way of winning friends and influencing people. Newsflash: it’s not working.

ElectricPhase on December 31, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Only irrational haters could be offended by that. So who really cares about having them as friends?

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:41 AM

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Then you lighten up and be a tad more tolerant toward anyone who’s not so enamored with Romney. Many people are simply not. I changed my mind about him since 2008. It didn’t happen over night. It just added up. I already said that I’ll vote for whomever makes it, if my apathy permits caring by Nov. of the next year.

For stated reasons I’ll always support you and yours, aside from all this HA circus.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:46 AM

It always cracks me up when faceless internet commenters question the skill,intelligence,drive,etc of those in rare positions.

Politricks on December 31, 2011 at 12:29 AM

In some respects, you are correct. But many experiences in life transcends status, wealth, power, etc.

Obama is either an unmitigated idiot who is accidentally running this country off a cliff. Or he is purposely trying to collapse the economy so he can replace it with a European socialist model.

Either way, a high school graduate can make a perfectly accurate judgment of him.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:47 AM

Then you lighten up and be a tad more tolerant toward anyone who’s not so enamored with Romney. Many people are simply not. I changed my mind about him since 2008. It didn’t happen over night. It just added up. I already said that I’ll vote for whomever makes it, if my apathy permits caring by Nov. of the next year.

Fair enough.

For stated reasons I’ll always support you and yours, aside from all this HA circus.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Thank you.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:49 AM

I like how Newt tap danced around the question of whether or not “Obama” satisfies the Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 NBC eligibility requirement for POTUS.

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Either way, a high school graduate can make a perfectly accurate judgment of him.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 12:47 AM

You stated the obvious but s/he is “cracked up”.

Night Deven.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:53 AM

I morn the old Hot Air before the anti-Romney derangment took over everyone’s senses.

I really don’t understand how he became such a villian.

He’s the same guy.

The entire Republican party jumped into some kind of insainty this past year.

Romney is a very good candidate we are lucky to have him.

Look at the others! If it was any of them we would be in serious trouble!

Think of Obama with no election to worry about! That could be us! Now Romney will win… he will be a decent President. Maybe a great President.

We are in a good place.

I morn the old Hot Air. The one where the anti-Mormons were not allowed to say the kind of stuff they spew freely today.

I can’t bear to read that stuff up above in this thread. It is so vile.

Hot Air is not a good place anymore.

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Hot Air is not a good place anymore.

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

You keep saying this. You’re like my grandmother who keeps bringing up how that horrible Lyndon Baines Johnson beat his dogs.

Yawn.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2011 at 1:13 AM

Night Deven.

Schadenfreude on December 31, 2011 at 12:53 AM

Night.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:15 AM

Now all we need is for Romney to quit on Michigan way too early (and not tell his VP pick), then tell us we have nothing to fear from 4 more years of Barack Hussein Obama and his minions.

SouthernGent on December 31, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Six months of this awaits next year, guys. Six months of Team O arguing that Romney’s simultaneously (a) an unpredictable opportunist with no principled core and (b) a wild-eyed ideologue ready to push the same radical right-wing agenda on America that he pushed on Massachusetts when he … signed a health-care mandate into law.

Well, can’t be any worse than the last six months of Team HA arguing that Romney’s simultaneously (a) an unpredictable opportunist with no principled core and (b) a wild-eyed ideologue ready to push the same radical left-wing agenda on America that he pushed on Massachusetts when he signed a health-care mandate into law.

Mr. Arkadin on December 31, 2011 at 1:17 AM

Hot Air is not a good place anymore.

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

What we are experiencing is an influx of folks who are so desperate for the TEA Party to succeed, that they just cannot mark time or give one inch even if it means saving the country from four more years of Obama. The apparently do not understand that making the drastic change needed in the GOP will take time and compromise. One compromise we must make is with our nominee this year. But for the most part, we don’t have to compromise on local, state, senate and house candidates.

By 2016, we will have some solid TEA Party candidates to challenge our nominee if needed. If not, then 2020 will be the year we run a true fiscal conservative for POTUS. By then Americans will have seen TEA Party principles work and will be willing to take a chance on a Palin or Rand Paul or any other candidate closely associated with returning the country to constitutional rule of law.

We need to convince them to take the long view and to have patience.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:23 AM

Hot Air is not a good place anymore.

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

You keep saying this. You’re like my grandmother who keeps bringing up how that horrible Lyndon Baines Johnson beat his dogs.

Yawn.

John the Libertarian on December 31, 2011 at 1:13 AM

I am a grateful recipient of the second round of open registration, and I have attempted to be polite and considerate to the greatest extent possible at every turn. As for unpleasantness, after a bit of time has passed, and the wheat and chaff have been separated, the forum will settle down and I believe will have in the end benefitted from expanding the number of participants. I’ve been a long time reader, and have been impressed with the caliber of commentary from some of the newer posters.

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 1:27 AM

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

I know, it was so much better when only Palin got bashed wasn’t it? Romney is not a villain, it’s just that many of us don’t think he’s the answer. Anyway, you better develop some courage because nothing you see here will be comparable to what Obama will say about him if he is the nominee.

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2011 at 1:28 AM

Joking about a joke is redundant.

galtani on December 31, 2011 at 1:29 AM

What we are experiencing is an influx of folks who are so desperate for the TEA Party to succeed, that they just cannot mark time or give one inch even if it means saving the country from four more years of Obama.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:23 AM

Not necessarily true. While to say that I am less than pleased with the GOP establishment would constitute an understatement of epic proportions, I am nevertheless prepared to vote for Corpseman/Bar O. Soap if that’s the ticket that can oust the fiend and his cabal of villainous enablers from our the people’s house. If that ticket is instead Romney/Bar O. Gingrich or vice versa, then so be it. ABO

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 1:35 AM

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

You’re right about Romney being a good man, but people are scared. What they want (and me too, I suppose) is the assurance from at least one of the candidates that things are going to be okay, that the socialist weasels attempting to transform our country into yet another failure of history can be beaten–are going to be beaten. That’s what I miss most about Ronald Reagan: his optimism, his confidence, that unfailing belief that America is beautiful and exceptional. Romney seems incapable of that kind of passion, and the only thing Gingrich finds beautiful and exceptional is himself.

troyriser_gopftw on December 31, 2011 at 1:37 AM

It always cracks me up when faceless internet commenters question the skill,intelligence,drive,etc of those in rare positions. Fact is Obama had the drive to run for president and eons. If he’s “dumb” then what are you? I can grantee he’s not a member of some message board posting about you.

Its similar to those fans in the stands who call professional athletes bums when they Ness up. Its a reason their on the field and you’re in the stands.

Politricks on December 31, 2011 at 12:29 AM

So you think that not a single one of us ‘faceless internet commenters’ is smarter than Herr Obama? He definitely possesses above-average intelligence, but he’s clearly not the genius he was sold as during the 2007-2008 campaign season.

Why is he the President? Well, he had a nice ‘inspiring’ story for the voters, he had a good machine around him, and he’s got pretty good credentials. Then again, lots of people have become POTUS without graduating from an Ivy.

BTW, I don’t need to be able to hit a curveball or throw a perfect spiral to know that Barry Bonds circa 2001 is a better hitter than Neifi Perez circa any year of his life. Likewise, I don’t need to be elected to public office to know that Obama’s been a lousy President.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 31, 2011 at 1:40 AM

I morn the old Hot Air before the anti-Romney derangment took over everyone’s senses.

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Oh, spare me. Hot Air has never been a place for Romney fandom. Do you know why? It’s because Hot Air is a website for conservatives. Romney’s not a conservative. Do the math.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 31, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Romney’s son, reverting to strict-message-discipline mode, has already apologized on Twitter.

Big mistake. Once you go on defense, you’ve lost. When the charge makes them squeal, don’t retreat. Double down on it.

I must say, Team Øbama seems overly touchy on an issue they say is pure bogus.

petefrt on December 31, 2011 at 1:43 AM

Six months of Team O arguing that Romney’s simultaneously (a) an unpredictable opportunist with no principled core and (b) a wild-eyed ideologue ready to push the same radical right-wing agenda on America that he pushed on Massachusetts when he … signed a health-care mandate into law.

After some of the spinning I’ve seen from Romney supporters lately, I think I’m already prepared.

There Goes The Neighborhood on December 31, 2011 at 1:44 AM

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 1:35 AM

Of course I am referring to that group who threaten to vote third party or sit at home if our nominee isn’t a strict conservative. A huge majority of the GOP is not in that group. The complainers are a very small, very vocal group who overestimate the power of their single votes. There just aren’t enough of them to make a difference.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:49 AM

The complainers are a very small, very vocal group who overestimate the power of their single votes.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:49 AM

I’m a complainer, but I won’t be an abstainer. When the patient nation has cancer, you don’t blow off treating blunt force trauma because the they may die of cancer later on. You stop the bleeding first.

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 2:00 AM

the they

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 2:02 AM

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 2:00 AM

Agreed.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 2:07 AM

I bet you $10,000 that Rommy wont be the nominee. Opps i forgot im unemployed.

nicknack60 on December 31, 2011 at 2:11 AM

I bet you $10,000 that Rommy wont be the nominee. Opps i forgot im unemployed.

nicknack60 on December 31, 2011 at 2:11 AM

Didn’t you get your $500 Million stimulus check?

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 2:21 AM

I bet you $10,000 that Rommy wont be the nominee. Opps i forgot im unemployed.

nicknack60 on December 31, 2011 at 2:11 AM

I get the point you are making by using hyperbole. I also got it when Romney used the $10,000 bet amount with Perry. And surprisingly, so did Perry.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 2:24 AM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

I’m so glad I’m not alone in this feeling. Now, prepare for the next step:
Obama 4 more years.

athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 2:58 AM

I vote HA become a site for information on individual states so we can get conservatives on the ballot and vote for them downticket. Start with Arizona and their redistricting efforts – they gained a seat and the republicans including the governor have let the new seat go democrat. Why? I have no idea. Some journalism into the situation might be useful.

athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 3:03 AM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Won’t be mine.

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2011 at 3:16 AM

Class warfare? Really?

csdeven on December 30, 2011 at 11:16 PM

You bet when it’s a bunch of kids who haven’t had to work for anything in their life trying to tell us why “xyz” is good for us.

They know as much about how the average American family lives as much as they know about life on Mars. Zilch.

ButterflyDragon on December 31, 2011 at 3:20 AM

The complainers are a very small, very vocal group who overestimate the power of their single votes.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:49 AM

Not surprising that a Romney supporter is someone pushing the idea that the individual doesn’t matter. And that your vote doesn’t matter.

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2011 at 3:22 AM

Hot Air is not a good place anymore.

petunia on December 31, 2011 at 1:08 AM

What we are experiencing is an influx of folks who are so desperate for the TEA Party to succeed, that they just cannot mark time or give one inch even if it means saving the country from four more years of Obama. The apparently do not understand that making the drastic change needed in the GOP will take time and compromise. One compromise we must make is with our nominee this year. But for the most part, we don’t have to compromise on local, state, senate and house candidates.

By 2016, we will have some solid TEA Party candidates to challenge our nominee if needed. If not, then 2020 will be the year we run a true fiscal conservative for POTUS. By then Americans will have seen TEA Party principles work and will be willing to take a chance on a Palin or Rand Paul or any other candidate closely associated with returning the country to constitutional rule of law.

We need to convince them to take the long view and to have patience.

csdeven on December 31, 2011 at 1:23 AM

I agree with you regarding most of this post. Its really good. I’d like to point out that primary challenges are supposed to get the BASE support and then tack toward the middle for the general election. Having MittHead already at the middle and his flip/flop background will ensure that the base won’t support him and he’ll be going through the meat grinder on his own with blue republicans supporting him.

I have to ask myself at the end of the day when I go to vote in November – downticket will be the most conservative I can find and I’ll put my money and effort into getting those on the ballot. The president? That’s a different ball of wax. Yes, there’s the Supremes, there’s the do nothing DOJ, there’s the State department and the other cabinet posts- all of them either staying Obama progressive OR muddying up the republican brand name of less government because MittHead will be an eight of an inch left of center. He got his bank bailed out Bainbridge by Tarp and had the FDIC pay for it netting him a nice chunk of change at tax payer expense so the charge of crony capitalism is going to be 2nd out of the gate after this ridiculous Fake Angry at Romney’s son for mentioning birth certificate story.

Mittheads actually think indies and disaffected democrats are going to vote for this 1%’er? No Way. Not after everything gets dug up on him. Their thinking is that they’ll stay with Obama – why change to Mitthead even if he is Obama-lite? Go with the real thing. Republicans will vote for Mitthead. Tea Partiers won’t. Obama wins. I’d take Christie over Mitthead and Christie has problems but not nearly as many as Romulan Romney.

athenadelphi on December 31, 2011 at 3:30 AM

If there were questions about Romney’s birth certificate or if some of Gingrich’s divorce records were sealed what do you think Obama’s people would do?

I’m through with being politically correct just because Obama isn’t a white male. If we need to win, we need to play by the same rules the competition is playing by. Trust me, they’ve got a lot more to lose than we do.

JetBlast on December 31, 2011 at 3:57 AM

They fear Obama. They are cowards. They should pull up some courage from somewhere and make Obama fear them for a change. They should follow him to his inmost recesses and make him fear and dread them and not let up until he begs for mercy or is driven insane.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 30, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Given how Bambi isolates himself, I’d say it’s not a drive but a short walk.

GrannyDee on December 31, 2011 at 4:29 AM

because nothing you see here will be comparable to what Obama will say about him if he is the nominee.

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2011 at 1:28 AM

I heard that so many times…can you give an example of what they might say about him, if he’s the nominee, and that hasn’t been said yet.. put yourself into Obama & his ilk’s (oups, sorry, I meant antourage) mindset for a second…what can they possibly say about him that hasn’t been said already (ad nauseam), on this forum or elsewhere?…I think that’s the beauty of it…they have exhausted all possible lines of attacks against him…and he is in the privileged position to having heard it so many quazillion times that I am sure by now he rehearsed and nuanced his responses and/or counter-attacks to perfection…seriously, from now on whatever is going to be said about him it will be awfully and excruciatingly painfully repetitive and boring…at some point people simply won’t react…

jimver on December 31, 2011 at 4:48 AM

At an event in New Hampshire today, Romney’s adult son Matt Romney responded to a question regarding the potential release of his father’s tax returns with a joke alluding to doubts about Mr. Obama’s place of birth: “I heard someone suggest the other day that as soon as Obama releases his grades and birth certificate and sort of a long list of things, then maybe he’d do it,” he said…

I want to see both…Romney’s tax records, and Obambi’s birth certificate, etc. Oh, tax records could show that Romney’s as crooked as the day is long, but given how the ostrich electorate doesn’t want to hear what the “troofers” are saying, I guess it wouldn’t make much difference anyway (“Oh, but Romney just looks soooo presidential! *sigh*)…ROTFLMAO

There’s no way in hell
that the Dems would have let a Republican candidate get away with the obfuscation (not even a tiny fraction) that Dear Leader’s gotten away with concerning his various records. If McCain were elected, we’d still be hearing about him having been born in the Panama Canal Zone and how that’s disqualifies him from the presidency, not only from the Kos Kids, DU, and other radicals, but also from the LSM at large, and Liberals nationwide…that issue would be brought up again, and again, and again, and again…

But, no…we have to be above board and not keep bringing up stuff that ticks off the Libs and assorted Yuppies (most of whom don’t even vote I’m sure) across this great land of ours.

Don’t offend anyone now! Let these guys keep “nudging” our sheeple a&&es ever-increasingly towards Socialism.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 31, 2011 at 4:55 AM

I want to see both…Romney’s tax records, and Obambi’s birth certificate, etc. Oh, tax records could show that Romney’s as crooked as the day is long, but given how the ostrich electorate doesn’t want to hear what the “troofers” are saying, I guess it wouldn’t make much difference anyway (“Oh, but Romney just looks soooo presidential! *sigh*)…ROTFLMAO

There’s no way in hell that the Dems would have let a Republican candidate get away with the obfuscation (not even a tiny fraction) that Dear Leader’s gotten away with concerning his various records. If McCain were elected, we’d still be hearing about him having been born in the Panama Canal Zone and how that’s disqualifies him from the presidency, not only from the Kos Kids, DU, and other radicals, but also from the LSM at large, and Liberals nationwide…that issue would be brought up again, and again, and again, and again…

But, no…we have to be above board and not keep bringing up stuff that ticks off the Libs and assorted Yuppies (most of whom don’t even vote I’m sure) across this great land of ours.

Don’t offend anyone now! Let these guys keep “nudging” our sheeple a&&es ever-increasingly towards Socialism.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 31, 2011 at 4:55 AM

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Exactly. BTW: I don’t think McCain was eligible. Neither was the Nicaraguan citizen, Roger Calero, who appeared on presidential ballots in 11 states without a single Secretary of State questioning his eligibility. We are half way to a banana republic because so many idiots ignored the Constitutional requirement that one must be born of citizen parents – plural- to be a NATURAL BORN citizen. Obama has told us he was a British subject/citizen at birth on page 26 of his auto-biography “Dreams from My Father”.
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The Supreme Court ruled on it in Minor v Happersett. For a more recent opinion, SR511, co-sponsored by non other than Barack Obama, stated that McCain was a natural born citizen due to being born of citizen parents- again plural.
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It’s useless to speak of the usurper-in-chief here on HotAir. I’ve been commenting since the beginning of HA, but I hardly ever even read it anymore. With few exceptions, they have become a closed minded group from the top down. When the blind believers in Obama, “the bliefers” wake up it will be too late. You can’t fix stupid.
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I wish you luck & will come back to see if there are any new commenters like yourself that are worth reading.

NightmareOnKStreet on December 31, 2011 at 5:53 AM

the fact is, we have been electing men who believe in order to lead, they must pander to the 98% of people in the media. which makes them unable to be ruthless. when the final nail is hammered into the individualist american lifestyle, it will be too late to do anything about it. if you have been listening, 47% of americans actually believe Jesus was a communist, and it’s high time we preach in our churches the ultimate taking care of our brothers. the catholic church is 100% behind open borders and collective salvation. bing it, you’ll be disgusted.

tm11999 on December 31, 2011 at 7:12 AM

cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 11:46 PM
cane_loader on December 30, 2011 at 10:50 PM

I’m with you, and I remember it well. I always expected better of conservatives–it’s liberals who have always immediately resorted to name-calling, but that seems to have rubbed off on some people here (and elsewhere). The immediate labeling of someone (e.g., “birther”) is designed to silence people–”shut-uppery” at its finest.

DrMagnolias on December 31, 2011 at 7:13 AM

Exactly. BTW: I don’t think McCain was eligible.

NightmareOnKStreet on December 31, 2011 at 5:53 AM

Maybe not. But, I think that case would have gone to the Supreme Court. It would be nice if this issue were decided once and for all…of course, it wouldn’t the more I think about it. The Lib Supremes would say McCain was ineligible, the Cons that he was and who knows about the moderates?

Personally, I think that American territory including vessels flying the U.S. flag, U.S. military installations and embassies/legations should count. I can’t see how being born on what is obviously construed as U.S. territory could cause a conflict of allegiance concerning a foreign nation.

The bottom line here is that at least we know for sure where McCain was born.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 31, 2011 at 7:17 AM

The only way we will see Obama’s docs are with a R Pres! Hopefully some state AGs will have he conjones to make him prove his eligibility to be on the ballot this time around. It would really be cool if he could not get on the ballot it some states because of Constitutional ineligibility.

KenInIL on December 31, 2011 at 7:29 AM

I can’t see how being born on what is obviously construed as U.S. territory could cause a conflict of allegiance concerning a foreign nation.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 31, 2011 at 7:17 AM

Particularly as his parents weren’t ex-pats, but were serving this country in the military.

DrMagnolias on December 31, 2011 at 7:30 AM

DrMagnolias on December 31, 2011 at 7:30 AM

Well, sheesh, nice double-block quoting there. The second one is actually my comment, for anyone who wonders.

DrMagnolias on December 31, 2011 at 7:31 AM

When the media starts reporting that it’s “all over”, it’s for one purpose only, and that is to have people against Romney stay home and not vote. Not one vote has been cast yet in this primary. Go to your primaries and caucuses and vote for your candidate no matter what you read. In the end it is the votes that count.

The fact that the media and Republican Establishment/Elites are putting this “it’s all over” message out so soon tells me that they are desperate and not confident.

lea on December 31, 2011 at 7:42 AM

The reason Obama is not showing his grades is that he doesn’t want anyone to know he got in the ivy league via quotas. What other reason would there be?

rubberneck on December 31, 2011 at 7:52 AM

the fact is, we have been electing men who believe in order to lead, they must pander to the 98% of people in the media. which makes them unable to be ruthless. when the final nail is hammered into the individualist american lifestyle, it will be too late to do anything about it. if you have been listening, 47% of americans actually believe Jesus was a communist, and it’s high time we preach in our churches the ultimate taking care of our brothers. the catholic church is 100% behind open borders and collective salvation. bing it, you’ll be disgusted.

tm11999 on December 31, 2011 at 7:12 AM

That new documentary series about who the “real” Jesus was definitely takes on the bent of Jesus having been pretty much a revolutionary seeking to uplift the poor and downtrodden in a Marxist sense. Though I enjoy documentaries, I’ve come to realize that most of them are produced by Liberals/Communists (just like the vast majority of Hollywood films) so you have to take all of them with a grain of salt, and do you’re own thinking and research if the topic interests you enough…but much of that research (especially in history) leads you right back to Leftist social scientists, so it’s difficult. You have to ask yourself if the pieces fit, if the supposed rationale for why who did what where really makes sense.

Your last few points reminds me of what I was just reading on the Ron Paul-turned-death penalty thread.

Political correctness didn’t originate solely from the Left. A heck of a lot of it comes from the “religious right”. It’s what you get when the WWJD crowd meets Karl Marx. The Catholic Workers Movement comes to mind here.

I believe that we are ultimately motivated by our personal needs, our wants, our feelings and our fears. To try to frame absolute logic into that framework is in itself nonsensical. We can’t find a rational argument for the death penalty without an antithetical argument that’s just as logical (or illogical)…this is the same for all political, religious, and moral arguments.

It would seem (for the most part) Conservatives tend to focus on what works and what doesn’t work. That is, what things lead to a more productive society and a higher standard of living. It’s when we get into the religious, moral and ideological political arguments that we fall apart. We have to coldly look at what things in the system lead to the building of a better mousetrap regardless of how those things go against how certain parts of our personal makeups say they should be based on those personal notions.

But, doing the above would go against those things that give many personal satisfaction and personal identity/ego. So, in my view, the best system is to allow the “system” itself run as it will because it will indeed satisfy everyone’s needs and wants to some extent…but never perfectly.

If that is the case then illegal immigration fits into that system by providing cheap labor where cheap labor is needed. Illegal immigration doesn’t exist because there are no jobs for these people here. Now, the logical part becomes, what happens when these people are no longer employed? Is it logical for those who do work to support them? Is it logical to allow the criminal elements of them to degrade society’s efficiency because of their race or some kind of Sacred Cow crown placed upon them by the Leftists and their religious counterparts on the far Right? The non-logical arguments concerning fairness, race, political affiliation, changing demographics and so on can never be resolved.

I feel a visceral disgust of the Leftists, but IF they provided a better system, I would support those initiatives. It would make no sense to work against a more beneficial system in deference to a less efficient one because it makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 31, 2011 at 7:53 AM

Exactly. BTW: I don’t think McCain was eligible. Neither was the Nicaraguan citizen,

[snip]

NightmareOnKStreet on December 31, 2011 at 5:53 AM

0bama’s issues aside, I don’t think you’ve thought this through.

If the U.S. military sends a American citizen abroad to serve his country, his American wife goes with him, and when their son is born outside the country the reward is that his son isn’t a natural-born citizen, then that’s an unacceptably high price to pay for serving one’s country.

A more accurate question is why a pregnant Mexican is allowed to illegally invade our country, go to a hospital, give birth, and have the child be a natural-born citizen, with all the rights and financial benefits appurtaining thereto.

It’s not one bit different than someone from California driving to Texas, breaking into your house, eating your food, then taking your utility bill down to the welfare office and using your home address as their residence to get in-state tuition.

cane_loader on December 31, 2011 at 8:19 AM

If you look at their policies, Romney and Obama are basically the same people..

both are big supporters of Wall Street Fat Cats,

both are total supporters of more and more of the same corrupting tax code,

both are willing to say anything to try to deceive the American people

both have records of increasing government involvement in people’s personal lives

both are from Harvard

both refuse to release records that may show some things they want to cover up

Yeah, so you Romney supporters, tell us why trying to get Romney in the White House will make any difference

georgealbert on December 31, 2011 at 8:46 AM

I’m with you, and I remember it well. I always expected better of conservatives–it’s liberals who have always immediately resorted to name-calling, but that seems to have rubbed off on some people here (and elsewhere). The immediate labeling of someone (e.g., “birther”) is designed to silence people–”shut-uppery” at its finest.

DrMagnolias on December 31, 2011 at 7:13 AM

What enrages me is that now, after it’s obvious that 0bama’s hiding something, there is no move afoot to determine whether he is actually eligible for the 2012 ballot. Just because he slipped through once, does that mean he gets a lifetime pass?

Without dredging up all the details, here’s the crux of my arugument:

Any intellectually honest person knows that 0bama is hiding something that he thinks would bring his eligibility into question. It could be several things – not being born in America, not having the father he claims, being adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro – posing as a foreign student to get financial aid, etc.

But it has to be something – otherwise there would be no controversy. I don’t think 0bama just made up a controversy that didn’t exist, just to mess with Republicans’ heads. There’s something there, definitely.

So: knowing 0bama – if there’s something there he worried about, then you know he’s going to make an attempt to confuse things. Were it just his grades or what courses he took in college, there would be no reason to be hiding his birth-certificate.

Add to that the numerous statements out of Kenya before he was elected, his odd trip there in support of his genocidal cousin, and the odd sealing of the Kenyan records after his election, there’s some Kenyan connection it seems.

Was he born in Kenya? I don’t know. It seems far-fetched. Leaving that alone, look at his m.o. 0bama has been shown to be active deceptive on many things. So let’s apply his deception to the birth-certificate issue. If there’s a problem here, 0bama is going to distract by saying, “look over there.”

A perfect way to get people to dismiss the issue would be to let people push the idea that he was born in Kenya, and to respond only to those charges. Once the meme that he wasn’t born in the USA takes hold, then he can make everyone look silly by saying “of course I was born in the USA.”

This totally sucks the oxygen out of the real issue – whether he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which no one seems to be able to determine. His Indonesian school enrollment records have him listed as “Barry Soetoro.”

As well, the real issue is whether he can be called a “natural-born citizen. His father admittedly was not a citizen. His mother, though American, was too young to confer citizenship. Statute at the time clearly indicated that she had to live in America for 5 consecutive years after the age of 14. She was 17. Under statute, she was too young. So the problem for 0bama is that neither parent was able to convey natural-born citizenship.

What better way to ensure that this is never examined than to let the argument be about WHERE he was born, instead of to whom he was born?

Is that what he’s really hiding, though? I’m not so sure. I don’t think that, had he just shown a birth certificate with the names “Stanley Ann Dunham” and Barack Hussein Obama,” anyone would have questioned it in depth. There has to be a deeper motivation for withholding it, possibly tied to his Indonesian sojourn.

Classmates at Occidental College remember him as “Barry Soetoro,” NOT as “Barack 0bama.” So you have him existing under a different name. And those records have been conveniently sealed. Seeing as how he’s still using his Indonesian name, does anyone doubt that there is a chance he was obtaining benefits under that name that would accrue to an Indonesian student? I don’t doubt it at all. And that would be a pretty big problem for him, were it to come to light, wouldn’t one think? It would beg the issue of whether he was truly adopted – and also the issue of whether his birth certificate had been altered to reflect that – opening a can of worms regarding his citizenship.

That brings us to his withholding of the birth certificate, and the long Kabuki dance. Some have argued that it was all a sham, to make his opponents look bad. I can’t buy that. There are fewer stranger things I can imagine than to make up a controversy over his birth certificate out of whole cloth just to make political opponents look bad. That strains credulity. Not to mention how offensive it would be to just play with voters like me who were willing to give him a chance, though I didn’t vote for him. it’s too much effort for a questionable gain, unless there is an ulterior motive.

Now add to that the very curious circumstances of the “release” of his “long-form” birth certificate. After stonewalling for years, having the records sealed, and then having various political friends such as the governor of Hawaii vouch for it, push comes to shove and Donald Trump decides to turn up the heat. Things reach a critical point.

0bama releases an electronic hodge-podge that is so riddled with problems (even the lines on the page are curved, while the typewritten words are straight) that it raises more questions that it answers. Then, before it can even be vetted, bin Laden is killed and it wipes the birth certificate right out of the news, down the memory hole.

So one of two things happened here:

1. The certificate is legitimate, but for some innocent reason it was pieced together like a photoshop document by the state of Hawaii. In this case, with the immediate outcry, Hawaii should have explained how this happened, and released a single-layer, direct copy of the certificate.

2. The certificate is legitimate, but was purposely pieced together to have all the massive problems it does, to continue the controversy, to hide the real problem, which lies in his Occidental College and passport records.

3. The certificate has been purposely altered, at some time in the past, to show that his father is Barack 0bama, when actually it isn’t.

I have to say, I vote for number three. If the original certificate had been changed to show Lolo Soetoro as the father, then 0bama’s got a big problem, because it opens up his existence as a non-American in his teens and 20s, and his existence as Barry Soetoro. His education, travel, financial aid, and everything is open to showing that he lived as a non-American into his adulthood. That, rather than some theory he was born in Kenya, would give him real problems.

Is this just ridiculous speculation? I don’t think so. Some pretty perceptive folks have looked at the .pdf that 0bama released and say that it has been massively altered from whatever it is supposed to look like. The argument they make is pretty persuasive. I have a big problem with it when the lines are curved but the typeface is straight, and there are a lot more problems with it than that.

In summary, it seems clear that 0bama is still hiding something – something important – important enough to string the whole country along for years.

The sealing of all his records is blanket cover to make it harder to figure out what the problem exactly is – a big shell game, and the coin lies under only one of the shells.

And the fact that Romney’s son brings it up, and then apologizes, means that 0bama’s gambit has succeeded. He has moved the shells around enough that even mentioning the shell game is radioactive.

So, 0bama may not be questioned, and he has managed to confuse the issue so badly that conservatives have become self-policing on the issues. He won. He doesn’t have to fight his own battles on his eligibility, because he gotten his opponents to do it for him.

That’s got to be a great feeling for him.

cane_loader on December 31, 2011 at 9:02 AM

jimver on December 31, 2011 at 4:48 AM

It’s actually a good question. I’ve been asking it myself. I think what impedes our imagination is that we think it will have to be truthful facts. I don’t think The Won and his crew are above making stuff. I assume the Mormon church is going to take a beating, that worked well in California on the gay marriage issue when it was made the villain. And at the very least he will give Romney many many thanks for Romneycare, the father of Obamacare and tout their similarities. Why change?

Cindy Munford on December 31, 2011 at 9:06 AM

To summarize:

My take on the whole big birth-certificate mess is that it’s to cover up his adoption by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro, which his birth certificate was amended to read, before it was later illegally altered again to make him politically viable.

The whole shell game has been to cover up his life as a foreigner, up through his early and mid-20s.

That’s my best bet.

cane_loader on December 31, 2011 at 9:16 AM

When the Obama campaign reacts as quickly and vehemently to a “non-issue” like the birth certificate, that tells me it bothers them to no end. Their reaction is to attack and marginalize the person that mentioned it. Just like McCain refused to talk about Obama’s Rev Wright and Bill Ayers issue, Romney and the others will fall into the same trap McCain did and allow them to make the issue go away without discussion.

I challenge the group “anonymous” to break into some databases that are really tough – Not the easy stuff like Stratfor. Let’s see if they can “unseal” Obama’s well protected data like the Obama campaign has done in the past to those who have run against him in primaries and elections. Obama’s records are sealed tighter and protected more than this nations deepest classified secrets.

iamsaved on December 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM

If the U.S. military sends a American citizen abroad to serve his country, his American wife goes with him, and when their son is born outside the country the reward is that his son isn’t a natural-born citizen, then that’s an unacceptably high price to pay for serving one’s country.

cane_loader on December 31, 2011 at 8:19 AM

We need a ruling. Beginning to hold breath in 3, 2,1 . . .

Flotsam Jetsome on December 31, 2011 at 9:19 AM

God, I can’t believe Romney is going to be our candidate.

Cindy Munford on December 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM

Romney won’t be my candidate.
I’ll vote third party, and I’ll encourage everyone I know to do the same.

If we, as Republicans, keep rewarding the establishment by voting for whatever RINO they deem is good for us, we’ll only get more of the same – more Doles, Bushes, McCains, and yes, Romneys. We’ll keep hurtling toward a fiscal cliff…and when you’re at the bottom, it won’t matter much whether you flew over it going 90 mph or 60.

Gary Johnson will veto all this unconstitutional spending…so if it’s Romney vs. Obama, Johnson has my vote and volunteerism.

DRayRaven on December 31, 2011 at 9:22 AM

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