Rasmussen IA poll: Romney 23, Paul 22 … Santorum 16

posted at 2:45 pm on December 29, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Bear in mind Tina’s caveats about the difficulty of polling in the holiday season, but this does look as though the predictions of Rick Santorumentum have been realized.  In the latest Rasmussen poll of 750 likely caucus-goers in Iowa, conducted yesterday, Santorum leaps up to third place, behind a virtual dead heat between Mitt Romney and Ron Paul:

After months of volatility, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul remain the front-runners in Iowa for the third week in a row with the state’s Republican caucus just five days away.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely GOP caucus participants finds Romney with 23% support to Paul’s 22%. Former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum has moved into third place with 16%, his best showing to date, closely followed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Texas Governor Rick Perry who earn 13% of the vote each.

Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann picks up five percent (5%) support, while former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman gets three percent (3%) of the vote, marking no movement on either candidate’s part over the past week. One percent (1%) like some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

That’s a six-point jump for Santorum in one week, outside the margin of error.  In contrast, Romney and Paul both only shifted within the MOE to get closer together.  Perry also added to his total by three points, again within the MOE, while Gingrich dropped four points in the same period to fall into a tie for fourth place.

The sample improves over the CNN poll, which only surveyed Republicans.  According to the sample data provided by Rasmussen, 30% of respondents are independents, a good representation.  None are Democrats, though, who could cast votes in the caucus, and who thus far favor Paul.  The survey was taken in a single day, which sometimes makes the results a little less reliable, but I believe the Rasmussen polls in this series have all used that methodology, so the trending is still significant.

Where does Santorum pick up his support?  He comes in second to Romney among Republicans, 26/19.  He falls into a three-way tie among women, far behind Romney, 27/15, and third among men at 17%, with Paul leading Romney 27/19.  Santorum has a double-digit lead among very conservative respondents over Romney, 28/18, but lands in fourth place among “somewhat conservative” voters at 15%, behind Romney (27%), Paul (18%), and Gingrich (17%).  Santorum also leads among Tea Party adherents, 25/19 over Romney, with Paul fourth at 14% behind Perry’s 15%, and Santorum wins evangelicals with 24% to Perry’s 17%.

Is that enough to ignite Santorum for a win?  He may not need an outright win.  As long as he bests Perry, Gingrich, and Bachmann, Santorum could be a rallying figure for social conservatives and evangelicals, which would stand him in good stead in South Carolina.  It’s still a long shot, but it’s not out of the question.


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They will take the guy with the terrible economy over the parents who couldn’t let go, because they’ll think it’s just plain weird.

Washington Fancy on December 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Taking one night to mourn over a child is too much? I assure you, the pain of a miscarriage does not go away in a day.

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM

you’re credibility is in question here.

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Thank you! I want absolutely zero credibility with Ron Paul fans. I take that as a compliment.

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Well I think it’s probably over for Newt….too many attacks on him by people consider conservatives.

I think in the final analysis, Newt has been more or less been the stalking horse for Romney, not by design, but because his “baggage” overshadowed all the flaws Romney has.

It’s easier to paint Newt as a villian than Romney because Romney has a mild mannered personality and is the good family man.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 5:51 PM

I think the articles and video showing Newt supporting the idea of the individual mandate is what did him in.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Ann Coulter makes the case in her latest column that Mitt’s the man on repealing Obamacare and immigration compared to all the other candidates except the ones out of the running.

I have a hard time believing that she even believes that.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 5:53 PM

think the articles and video showing Newt supporting the idea of the individual mandate is what did him in.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Yet Romney looks to be our nominee?

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 5:54 PM

So my Newtie poo gets cruxified for vocal suppport individual mandate while we nominate the man who implemented one in his state?

That’s the REpublican party for you.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Liberterian’s take on a dead kid:

What’s the big deal, you can always make another one.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Do you submerge a drowning man in water to save him? Do you set a burn victim on fire? Do you bring peace through war?

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 5:49 PM

At a loss with that one. Gee, that’s tough. Let me see …

Sort of worked in this case, didn’t it?

Ooops. I’m embarrassed for you. There goes your entire foreign policy in one punch.

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Do you submerge a drowning man in water to save him?

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 5:49 PM

I challenge you to give me an honest answer:

If your kid was being held hostage and the only way to find his location and save him was to torture the terrorist you held captive would you do it?

Or would you ask nicely and remain civil while the terrorist took advantage of his Miranda rights and the crucial seconds ticked away??

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Yet Romney looks to be our nominee?

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I’m not sure why people say that. Romney hasn’t broken 30% since this cycle started. The voters are strongly notromney.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM

conservativeBC on December 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM

What is your take on Perry?

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:05 PM

Well, good luck with Santorum…

Because liberals hate him because of his anti-gay comments… and, for heavens sake, just Google his name and see what comes up first…

Second, independents will definitely turn away from him once the media beats his “dead infant” story into the ground. They will take the guy with the terrible economy over the parents who couldn’t let go, because they’ll think it’s just plain weird.

Washington Fancy on December 29, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Why would any Conservative care about what Liberals think about the GOP nominee? They’re going to trash the nominee regardless of who it is. And because some nut job starts a web site and then pays to have it come back first in a Google search…really? That would turn off voters? You’re selling America short if you think it will matter how a family grieved vs their own economic position.

Taco Bob on December 29, 2011 at 6:06 PM

If Romney places in top 2 in Iowa and then wins NH, it’s over.

I was predicting he would finish 4th at best in IOaw, but polls have him in top two now. If he’s competing in Iowa, I doubt he will lose Florida.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Iran is reacting to being provoked and threatened. There would be no talk of blocking the gulf if they were left alone to pursue their sovereign interests. And I don’t care if they do block the gulf. One, it’s not ours, and two, it would not collapse the world economy. It is not our business nor is it our problem.

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 5:50 PM

You do know that it’s in the Iranian Constitution to spread jihad right??

That Iran has killed thousands of US soldiers in Iraq??

That the radical nutjobs want to wipe Israel off the map and would stop at nothing to give those weapons to terrorists to attack us?

Of course you probably think they just want nukes for self defense and really wouldn’t harm a fly right?

It must be America’s fault!!

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 5:52 PM

Lets recap, shall we?

First you stated that Paul supporters were jumping ship to Santorum. You were thoroughly rebutted and failed miserably at any meaningful response.

When you realized that, you jumped over to the completely unrelated subject of foreign policy. After getting nowhere on that subject, you resorted insults and threats of violence. Mind you, I’ve been nothing but respectful to you throughout all of this.

So, like I said, feel free to continue to peddle your hatred.

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

There would be no talk of blocking the gulf if they were left alone to pursue their sovereign interests.

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Oh, you’re right. By leaving them “alone to pursue their sovereign interests”, you would be talking about their stated goal to wipe Israel and the U.S. off the map? THAT sovereign interest?

You’re a genius pal. Your grandma got supper on yet?

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Anybody that is cool with Iran having nuclear weapons is a fool.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Heh, I don’t see Ron Paul supporters going over to Santorum.

They are more likely to vote Obama or not vote at all.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM

No, you aren’t the one who introduced Schiavo into the thread.

But I would say you were using Rick’s stance on it to discredit him.
As I see it, that makes my arguement with anyone who opposes Rick’s stance on Terri Schiavo a valid action on this thread.

Um … when the legal guardian is actually suspected by many to have caused the condition, possibly via attempted murder?

Ridiculous. Another attempt to smear and demonize the man to get around the law.

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Are you kidding?
If ANYBODY’S injuries (life threatening or otherwise) are suspected to have been deliberately caused by a parent or spouse, that parent or spouse should immediately be removed from ANY position of authority to make decisions for the injured subject.
I can’t freakin’ believe you said that!

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

How can you still be legal guardian of a woman if you have kids with another woman?

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Liberterians for the Government Forced Starvation of a Disabled Woman

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I don’t think the story about the Santorums’ mourning of their lost baby is going to play as badly as the anti-Santorum folks would like to think.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/12/duggar-family-baby-photo-grieving.html

Read the comments. And this is the LA Times, not The Christian Post.

pannw on December 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Is that enough to ignite Santorum for a win? He may not need an outright win. As long as he bests Perry, Gingrich, and Bachmann, Santorum could be a rallying figure for social conservatives and evangelicals, which would stand him in good stead in South Carolina. It’s still a long shot, but it’s not out of the question.

Coming in late but Ed, really?

Why are you so intent on hyping Santorum? He is polling at 16 and Perry – the one that was left for dead – is polling at 13 and it’s a Santorumentum? And Perry’s rise got just a passing mention?

Ha ha ha ha…

You seriously believe Santorum has a chance of winning the nomination? With what army?

Okay…

TheRightMan on December 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Perry really should be the frontrunner or at least top 2 with his jobs record and 10 years experience as gov of the 2nd largest state.

If he was goign to win the nomination, he wouldn’t be placing 4th or 5th in Iowa behind weaker candidates.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:12 PM

I know…horrific.

pannw on December 29, 2011 at 6:15 PM

I challenge you to give me an honest answer:

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:02 PM

Impossibility for a Ron Paul supporter. They have no other way to argue than through dishonesty, manipulation of facts and reality. Much like gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

First you stated that Paul supporters were jumping ship to Santorum. You were thoroughly rebutted and failed miserably at any meaningful response.

First lie, based in some sort of fantasy world. But we must take his word for it.

When you realized that, you jumped over to the completely unrelated subject of foreign policy.

Right. Because any debate over the nutjob Ron Paul and foreign policy is completely unrelated. I get it.

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:17 PM

You do know that it’s in the Iranian Constitution to spread jihad right??

So?

That Iran has killed thousands of US soldiers in Iraq??

How many have they killed within our borders?

That the radical nutjobs want to wipe Israel off the map and would stop at nothing to give those weapons to terrorists to attack us?

Israel is more than capable of defending herself. Besides “wipe off the map” was a poor translation into a saying that doesn’t exist in Iranian.

Of course you probably think they just want nukes for self defense and really wouldn’t harm a fly right?

It must be America’s fault!!

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Well they are surrounded by nuclear powers. Of course they want them for defense. But once again I see why you are a Levin fan. It requires no independent thought.

Oh, you’re right. By leaving them “alone to pursue their sovereign interests”, you would be talking about their stated goal to wipe Israel and the U.S. off the map? THAT sovereign interest?

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Yes, I am right. I’m also certain that Israel is not one of the 50 states. They haven’t said anything about wiping us off the map. For one, that saying doesn’t exist in Iranian. For another, they have no air force or naval capability to do so.

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:17 PM

I quoted scientific polling data to back up my claims. You brought opinions pulled out of thin air. Not even a political pundit’s words to back up your wild and desperate claims.

Just move on, you’re done here.

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 6:21 PM

If Romney places in top 2 in Iowa and then wins NH, it’s over.

I was predicting he would finish 4th at best in IOaw, but polls have him in top two now. If he’s competing in Iowa, I doubt he will lose Florida.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:06 PM

Mittens won’t win SC. THen Fla will become interesting.

Even then, I don’t see his big gov’t progressivism doing well in the South.

If it looks like Mittens is unstoppable maybe Sarah will jump in!

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Dante sees no difference b/t Sweden owning nuclear weapons and Iran owning nuclear weapons.

That’s what you call zany.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:23 PM

But I would say you were using Rick’s stance on it to discredit him.

Then you suffer from either poor reading comprehension or an inability to follow a conversation. Nothing in my discussion of Schaivo had anything to do with Santorum.

Are you kidding?
If ANYBODY’S injuries (life threatening or otherwise) are suspected to have been deliberately caused by a parent or spouse, that parent or spouse should immediately be removed from ANY position of authority to make decisions for the injured subject.
I can’t freakin’ believe you said that!

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Cool. So much for due process. And you’re a conservative? Why do conservatives keep aligning and identifying with liberals?

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Well my brother tells me a lot of Santorum signs around in South Carolina.

But typically the winner of SC does not win Florida too, right? Florida’s southern part is dominated by minorities and retirees from the northeast who vote liberal.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:25 PM

Mortuary photography, especially of children, was done all the time in the 19th century. In many cases the only photograph a family might have had of a family member who died in childhood was a mortuary photograph.
PetecminMd on December 29, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I have our first child’s ultrasound (who I miscarried 2 weeks later) on our refrigerator.

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:27 PM

What’s this about Santorum driving around with dead baby? And then taking it to his house?

Yeah, no way anybody can say that’s not creepy. Who buries a family member in their house’s yard anyway?

Daikokuco on December 29, 2011 at 4:56 PM

The child was miscarried at 20 weeks. They took it home, mourned over it, then buried it. Why is that creepy?

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Are you kidding?
If ANYBODY’S injuries (life threatening or otherwise) are suspected to have been deliberately caused by a parent or spouse, that parent or spouse should immediately be removed from ANY position of authority to make decisions for the injured subject.
I can’t freakin’ believe you said that!

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Hey, you know what? We should let the military hold them indefinitely without charge! If only we could somehow get that through Congress… Nah, that would never happen.

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Just move on, you’re done here.

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 6:21 PM

You’re right, of course. I’m done here. You got me. Everyone agrees. We should see Ron Paul shoot up to about 30% tomorrow morning thanks to your continued support. Nobody can compete with your amazing logic.

So, I’m done here, so say you. When Ron Paul loses and you’re done, where will you move along to? The local medical marijuana shop?

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:32 PM

C’mon, let’s not let these daily polls and bloggers tell us who to vote for. Pick a candidate and support him/her. It’s not like there were no debates, which is where you should have made up your mind. Not one vote has been cast yet, we’ve got a long way to go.

lea on December 29, 2011 at 6:33 PM

If he was goign to win the nomination, he wouldn’t be placing 4th or 5th in Iowa behind weaker candidates.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:15 PM

It’s called self-fulfilling prophecies.

The media propagates the meme that candidate A is surging and then conducts a poll after saturation.

Presto… the poll confirms the meme.

OTOH, propagate the meme that candidate B is not gaining traction. Repeat it many times.

Presto… candidate B appears not to gain traction.

The only thing that can break the meme is actual voting.

S the memee was that McCain’s candidacy was dead in 2008 right until he shocked everybody by winning NH.

It’s not over by a long shot so buckle up and sit tight.

TheRightMan on December 29, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Never trust a poll that shows Ron Paul on top.

This core value has never done me wrong.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:34 PM

Nah, I think Perry’s campaign is lacking something.

He’s not doing something right.

Lot of Red State types are stuck on Perry but I can’t see him pulling it off now.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Cool. So much for due process. And you’re a conservative? Why do conservatives keep aligning and identifying with liberals?

Dante
on December 29, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Due process was denied. The Medical Professionals who sided with the Schindler family, were harassed and threatened.
Their testimony, if allowed, would have turned the whole case upside down.

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:37 PM

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:27 PM

That’s a gut-wrencher.
Are you planning to see him/her again?

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM

All that would have to happen is another person (family, close friend, clergy) to be appointed power-of-attorney.
In this case it should have been the Schindlers.

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:45 PM

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:32 PM

If Paul loses, I’ll still be here (perhaps not here as in HA, since the views here are way outside of the maintsream). I’m not supporting Paul, I’m supporting the message.

And, to be clear. The reason you’re done here is because of the debate over the supporters. You were proven wrong with proof backing me up. You had no response because you were wrong. I allowed you to move the goalposts to a subject dominated by opinions.

Hope you enjoy voting for Romney. No matter what happens, I’ll get to sleep with a clear conscience. Hope you can say the same, buddy.

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 6:45 PM

You do know that it’s in the Iranian Constitution to spread jihad right??
So?

Seriously???? Right here is why you and RuPaul don’t get it. You and Herr Doktor are foreign policy fruitcakes. Their constitutional goal is to kill the infidels and you don’t care. His is exactly why RuPaul will NEVER be president and why both you and him should be in straight jackets!

That Iran has killed thousands of US soldiers in Iraq??
How many have they killed within our borders?

So it must be are fault right? Did the troops deserve it despite liberating Iraqis from a brutal dictator who gave them acid baths and torture chambers??

That the radical nutjobs want to wipe Israel off the map and would stop at nothing to give those weapons to terrorists to attack us?
Israel is more than capable of defending herself. Besides “wipe off the map” was a poor translation into a saying that doesn’t exist in Iranian.

If any country is in need of defense, it’s Israel. And Israel cannot take out Iran’s nukes right now without our help. THat is what we should be doing, right now btw!

Of course you probably think they just want nukes for self defense and really wouldn’t harm a fly right?

It must be America’s fault!!

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Well they are surrounded by nuclear powers. Of course they want them for defense. But once again I see why you are a Levin fan. It requires no independent thought.

You’re a complete moron. And Hitler wanted piece too. Again RuPaul is the Neville Chamberlain of our time.

Oh, you’re right. By leaving them “alone to pursue their sovereign interests”, you would be talking about their stated goal to wipe Israel and the U.S. off the map? THAT sovereign interest?

Why would you care about Israel. Just like RuPaul wouldn’t have stopped the Holocaust.

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 PM
Yes, I am right. I’m also certain that Israel is not one of the 50 states. They haven’t said anything about wiping us off the map. For one, that saying doesn’t exist in Iranian. For another, they have no air force or naval capability to do so.

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Just like you never thought al Queda could hurt us either right?? Perfect 9/10 philosophy. Iran will take out the Little Satan in Isreal and then the Great Satan will be next. But who cares, just let them have their weapons!

BTW: which minority is being attacked in the latest RuPaul newsletter?

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Nah, I think Perry’s campaign is lacking something.

He’s not doing something right.

Lot of Red State types are stuck on Perry but I can’t see him pulling it off now.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Sure…

Perry’s campaign stops in Iowa are attracting crowds – standing-room only.

Santorum’s is attracting 10-30 people.

But the media and polls, which have been wrong several times before, say Santorum is surging and Perry is failing to gain traction so it must be true, right?

Okay… we shall see next week, won’t we?

TheRightMan on December 29, 2011 at 6:51 PM

That’s a gut-wrencher.
Are you planning to see him/her again?

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:41 PM

yes :)

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Sure…

Perry’s campaign stops in Iowa are attracting crowds – standing-room only.

Santorum’s is attracting 10-30 people.

But the media and polls, which have been wrong several times before, say Santorum is surging and Perry is failing to gain traction so it must be true, right?

Okay… we shall see next week, won’t we?

TheRightMan on December 29, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Santorum is doing real, good old fashioned campaigning by going to all 99 counties, having townhalls, and meeting voters in diners.

Perry is simply trying to use his vast resources to buy the state and it ain’t working.

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Sure…

Perry’s campaign stops in Iowa are attracting crowds – standing-room only.

Santorum’s is attracting 10-30 people.

But the media and polls, which have been wrong several times before, say Santorum is surging and Perry is failing to gain traction so it must be true, right?

Okay… we shall see next week, won’t we?

TheRightMan on December 29, 2011 at 6:51 PM

The problem is Santorum, Perry, and Bachman are all angling for the same voters.

I’m not against Perry winning or gaining traction. I think he needs to win Iowa or at least come in front of Romney to remain viable though.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Nah, I think Perry’s campaign is lacking something.

He’s not doing something right.

Lot of Red State types are stuck on Perry but I can’t see him pulling it off now.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 6:36 PM

A lot of people don’t want to go through the whole Republicans are stupid meme again and are hesitant to support Perry. Coincidentally, I think that is one of the reasons why Newt surged up so quickly.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 6:58 PM

It would be interesting to see if the results of our elections were different if we didn’t have staggered primaries and every state voted on the same day.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:00 PM

not here as in HA, since the views here are way outside of the maintsream).

gyrmnix on December 29, 2011 at 6:45 PM

This just shows what a clown you are and how far out of touch you are. In your mind, you actually believe Ron Paul is mainstream. I feel bad for you.

You were proven wrong with proof backing me up. You had no response because you were wrong.

I did respond. You chose to ignore it and simply claim you were right and I was wrong. You simply saying you’ve proven your point is not proving your point.

I guess we’ll find out next week who’s right.

Hope you enjoy voting for Romney. No matter what happens, I’ll get to sleep with a clear conscience. Hope you can say the same, buddy.

I will never vote for Romney or Gingrich. I vote my conscience, which means I don’t vote for a man who hates Jews, published a racist newsletter, and believes Muslims are only pissed off because of the United States and George Bush, even though they’ve been killing Christians and Jews since before the United States existed.

It’s all yours. I’m done for the day.

Gregor on December 29, 2011 at 7:01 PM

I think Perry does have personal charisma and likeablity and if you put up on the stage with the aloof nonchalant Obama, he’s a winner.

I think voters tend to vote for the more likeable candidate, not the best debater.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:01 PM

I tend to agree with Thomas Sowell that Newt is preferabble to Romney because he does have some real conservative accomplishments he can point to.

All of the bad stuff you hear about Newt he did as a private citizen.

National Review and others will use conservative ideology as a weapon against Newt, point out he vocally supported Romneycare and the mandate, but they don’t have a problem at all with Romney who actually implemented it.

It’s been a bizarro campaign season.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Are you kidding?
If ANYBODY’S injuries (life threatening or otherwise) are suspected to have been deliberately caused by a parent or spouse, that parent or spouse should immediately be removed from ANY position of authority to make decisions for the injured subject.
I can’t freakin’ believe you said that!

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM

Those accusations came from the family who were grieving and desperate and their representatives. But the accusations were examined on multiple occasions, both in court and then backed up in the autopsy, and were found to not be credible.

I understand that people feel very strongly about this and it brings out some very strong emotions, and I feel bad that the Schindlers lost their daughter. But legally it wasn’t their decision, and if enough people feel that it was unjust the laws will get changed so that families can vote like you’re suggesting, I guess. I’m not really sure how that would work though.

PetecminMd on December 29, 2011 at 7:07 PM

I think Perry does have personal charisma and likeablity and if you put up on the stage with the aloof nonchalant Obama, he’s a winner.

I think voters tend to vote for the more likeable candidate, not the best debater.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:01 PM

I agree. Perry will be fine unless he tries to pretend to be something he isn’t (an intellectual). This is why we need Jindal on the ticket. He was accepted to both Yale Law and Harvard Medical. He is what Obama pretends to be.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 7:09 PM

I like Jindal too but the knock on him is he’s not a flashy speaker either.

I have a concern that Romney will ask Huckabee to be his VP if he is polling bad with evangelicals. My worst nightmare.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:13 PM

I have our first child’s ultrasound (who I miscarried 2 weeks later) on our refrigerator.

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:27 PM

I don’t think that’s unusual at all. Nor do I think grieving over an unborn child is strange–my brother and sister-in-law went through the same thing several years ago. Grieving is a very personal thing, and we all do it in our own ways. What might seem caring and tender to some will seem strange and off-putting to others, which is why we generally keep these things at least semi-private.

So I do think that Santorum talking about it in detail to the media and trying to score pro-life political points is creepy. At best it’s cynical.

PetecminMd on December 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Pete,

Or you are just a militant abortion supporter.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:21 PM

My impression of most of the strident critics of Santy is they are either gay or hardcore abortion supporters.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:24 PM

PetecminMd on December 29, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Look, if my statement that: “Medical Professionals close to the case were harassed and threatened for attempting to present evidence contrary to Michael Schiavo”, is lacking credibility with you, then I’m at a loss.

Nurse Who Testified Against Michael Schiavo Has Nursing Licence Revoked

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 7:24 PM

listens2glenn,

They’ll call that Freedom.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:26 PM

Kinda doubt Santorum is REALLY going to break out, for several reasons.

1: It’s too late to build any sort of real organization. He’s been trailing in the polls for so long and so badly that you could almost say that he’s a candidate without a campaign team. This makes it difficult for him to translate any marginal polling advantage into real votes.

2: The field is too crowded. Since most of the candidates have gotten some decent face time, each is going to have its own block of die-hard supports. This creates a low bridge for each of the candidates, as there are only a very finite number of voters willing to switch allegiance at this point.

3: A collapse by any of the other candidates at this point will not likely benefit Santorum exclusively. If Bachman for example collapsed, some of her supporters would go over to Newt, Perry, Romney, Paul, etc. Even if a slightly large fraction broke towards Santorum, supporters breaking towards other candidates would largely blunt that benefit.

4: Santorums electability outside Iowa is very question. His brand of intrusive social conservatism is increasingly out of favor even within the Republican party, and as a candidate he suffers from numerous weaknesses which until now have kept from from garnering serious consideration. The only reason he’s doing as well in Iowa right now is because he’s essentially been camping out there for months, increasing the chances that late deciders would break his way. This same strategy cannot work anywhere else, and nationally he’s viewed somewhat poorly despite getting some not insignificant attention over the course of the summer and fall.

My suspicion is, that until he finishes second or first in Iowa, he won’t have the momentum necessary to make a good showing in the South by the time the vote gets there. There will be weeks in between Iowa and the southern states, and in the meantime we have at least one state that will be easy for Romney. That would be a fairly long time to hold onto the sort of momentum you get from a bronze medal, especially if his record is being closely vetted that way Gingrichs was at the same time.

Of course stranger things have happened, but I suspect Santorums momentum is slightly overstated anyway. Both polls showing a Santorum surge have a similar sampling error, that may at least benefit Santorum slightly. Again, stranger things have happened, but anybody getting excited that Santorum may tumble Romney needs to dial back their expectations slightly, at this point it’s still a pretty long shot.

WolvenOne on December 29, 2011 at 7:30 PM

I’m not sure why people say that. Romney hasn’t broken 30% since this cycle started. The voters are strongly notromney.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Yet, we are STILL going to nominate Mitt in spite of all that. Even as he fails to crack above 25% in all states but Mass., New Hampshire and Michigan, if the rest of the base can’t unite over anyone with consistency, Mitt will win the nomination by total default.

And then Mitt will lose handily to Obama in the general, because it’s another craptacluar “lesser of two evils” that excites no one on the conservative base.

Our nation is doomed.

Myron Falwell on December 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM

P.S.: If Mitt does get the nod, I will defect from the Republican Party and register as an independent (only because Ohio doesn’t have a Conservative Party listing a la New York).

The one chance we ever had to totally beat back the Obama Regime… and do it with actual conservatism, and to attempt to bring back some limited government… and it’s totally being fumbled away.

Prepare for the 2016 Election instead, provided the nation survives.

Myron Falwell on December 29, 2011 at 7:56 PM

LevinFan on December 29, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Perry’s doing good old-fashioned campaigning, too. His bus tour is attracting 150-200+ crowds at all its stops. Retail politics is Perry’s forte so he’s doing a LOT of that.

You can’t say he’s just trying to “buy the state”, yes, he’s spent the most $$ but he is not relying on that; he’s out there pressing the flesh and kissing the babies and getting standing-room only crowds as compared to a dozen at most for Santorum at his stops.

Here’s my post from earlier with links of photographic and press reporting evidence:

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/12/29/santorums-numbers-could-soar-in-the-final-few-days/comment-page-1/#comment-1716625

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/12/29/santorums-numbers-could-soar-in-the-final-few-days/comment-page-1/#comment-1716638

http://yfrog.com/ocwrwmnj

In these posts, I linked to one newspaper that said that the crowds for Perry are “virtually hanging from the rafters” to see him. One place was so overfowing that Perry had to enter it through the kitchen because he couldn’t get through the crowds.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 29, 2011 at 8:04 PM

P.S.: If Mitt does get the nod, I will defect from the Republican Party and register as an independent (only because Ohio doesn’t have a Conservative Party listing a la New York).

The one chance we ever had to totally beat back the Obama Regime… and do it with actual conservatism, and to attempt to bring back some limited government… and it’s totally being fumbled away.

Prepare for the 2016 Election instead, provided the nation survives.

Myron Falwell on December 29, 2011 at 7:56 PM

If Romney is elected President, he may turn out to be Obama-lite. Or he may be sincere in his recent turn to conservatism. I seriously doubt Romney’s conversion is true so I am fervently opposed to him. Am I absolutely sure Romney is putting on an act? No. The only thing I am sure about is that the candidate who will institute the most Obama-like policies is Obama himself.

Anyway, vote your conscious. As for myself, I will vote for Romney if the majority of republican delegates somehow pick him.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 8:06 PM

And I just have to post this ad that contains footage of Perry’s campaign stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8RYu6goZbw&feature=player_embedded

When he says, “it’s never been my purpose in life to be the president of the United States. It’s been my purpose in life to try to pay my country back for what’s it’s given me”, he chokes up with emotion. I know that a variation of this stump speech is also to say (paraphrase), “I can never repay this country what’s it’s given me, but that’s why I’m running for president”.

Aslans Girl on December 29, 2011 at 8:12 PM

If Romney is elected President, he may turn out to be Obama-lite. Or he may be sincere in his recent turn to conservatism. I seriously doubt Romney’s conversion is true so I am fervently opposed to him. Am I absolutely sure Romney is putting on an act? No. The only thing I am sure about is that the candidate who will institute the most Obama-like policies is Obama himself.

Anyway, vote your conscious. As for myself, I will vote for Romney if the majority of republican delegates somehow pick him.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 8:06 PM

With Romney, it’s a total act. I’m not buying it for a second, nor will I ever. He is a liberal Democrat through-and-through. And shame on all the conservatives that have fallen for his act. (Not including the establishment Republicans, who just want “their guy” and have no intentions of winning.)

And apparently, the vast majority of common people don’t buy it. But the rest of the field sucks so badly that Romney is virtually guaranteed the nomination anyway.

This nation was a great one while it lasted.

Myron Falwell on December 29, 2011 at 8:13 PM

So I do think that Santorum talking about it in detail to the media and trying to score pro-life political points is creepy. At best it’s cynical.

PetecminMd on December 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Or it is a heartfelt celebration of his child’s life and he isn’t afraid to talk about it. Why do you think it is creepy? Did you think that me telling you I have a picture of my child on my refrigerator is creepy?

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 8:13 PM

And I just have to post this ad that contains footage of Perry’s campaign stops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8RYu6goZbw&feature=player_embedded

When he says, “it’s never been my purpose in life to be the president of the United States. It’s been my purpose in life to try to pay my country back for what’s it’s given me”, he chokes up with emotion. I know that a variation of this stump speech is also to say (paraphrase), “I can never repay this country what’s it’s given me, but that’s why I’m running for president”.

Aslans Girl on December 29, 2011 at 8:12 PM

Ha. Mike Huckabee cameo in the video. I guess Perry’s campaign is assuming Iowans love Huckabee since he won in 2008.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 29, 2011 at 8:18 PM

yes :)

cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 6:51 PM

Well, that helped make my evening.

Of course, it’s not going to eliminate sorrow, but it helps. : )

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 8:25 PM

So I do think that Santorum talking about it in detail to the media and trying to score pro-life political points is creepy. At best it’s cynical.
PetecminMd on December 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM

Or it is a heartfelt celebration of his child’s life and he isn’t afraid to talk about it. Why do you think it is creepy? Did you think that me telling you I have a picture of my child on my refrigerator is creepy?
cptacek on December 29, 2011 at 8:13 PM

One man’s ‘creepy’ is another man’s ‘heartfelt celebration of his child’s life’.

Wait a minute. Cynical on whose part, Pete?

listens2glenn on December 29, 2011 at 8:30 PM

My impression of most of the strident critics of Santy is they are either gay or hardcore abortion supporters.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 7:24 PM

I’m not a strident critic of him but I will never vote for Santorum. He is a homophobe with no conception of why people are gay. I knew my son was gay before he was 4 years old. To believe, as Santorum does, that gays “choose” their lifestyle simply shows his ignorance.

independentvoice on December 29, 2011 at 9:12 PM

How did you know your son was gay when he was 4 years old?

I’m not sure if I want to hear the answer to this one.

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Wow. I’m amazed at how many so-called conservatives will discount a candidate because of personal choices. If you agree with all of Santorum’s policies but disagree with the way his family honored the death of their child, looks like you can probably feel good about having him as POTUS. I’m quite the other way around. From what I can tell he’s a fine father would never for a minute consider him as Commander-in-Chief.

TXGOP on December 29, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Dr. Tesla on December 29, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Nothing extraordinary. Nothing overt in his behavior – no wanting to play with dolls, no desire to wear little girls’ clothes, no playing with girls, none of the cliches you see spouted. Simply my recognition of the “other”. Similar to the instinct that animals, particularly dogs, posess. I ached for my son as he grew, knowing that he was different but not knowing why.

independentvoice on December 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Dear Iowa,

You have no influence anymore.

Sincerely,

The rest of the electorate

scotash on December 30, 2011 at 5:25 AM

independentvoice on December 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

FWIW worth, which is probably nothing, I find myself frequently put off by people who define themselves by a single factor. For example, I have a close relative who is gay. I love him, but he allows his sexuality to dominate his personality. He is in to the gay pride thing and his conversation is almost entirely focused or related to that one factor. It’s not too different from the religious fanatic who you can’t converse with without some bible verse or reference appearing in every sentence. He has so much to offer and I wish that he would allow other interests to have a larger part in his life.

I have no idea and don’t want to ask if your son is like that. I just felt like getting that off of my chest :-)

MJBrutus on December 30, 2011 at 8:30 AM

Nothing extraordinary. Nothing overt in his behavior – no wanting to play with dolls, no desire to wear little girls’ clothes, no playing with girls, none of the cliches you see spouted. Simply my recognition of the “other”. Similar to the instinct that animals, particularly dogs, posess. I ached for my son as he grew, knowing that he was different but not knowing why.

independentvoice on December 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

Your son is fortunate to have such an understanding parent. BTW, I agree that Santorum is an extremist on this matter. As a gay man, it would be extremely difficult for me to vote for him if he got the nomination. I’m glad there is not a chance in heck that he will get it, so I don’t have to worry about such a moral dilemma. I’d have an easier time voting for Ron Paul and that is saying something.

McDuck on December 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM

MJBrutus on December 30, 2011 at 8:30 AM

For all the disagreements I’ve had with you in the past (or future), THAT was nicely stated and well put. : )

independentvoice on December 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

From all you’ve said about your son, it sounds like you’re handling it (and him) much better than some other parents.

God bless you.
(if you’re an atheist, feel free to disregard that last line)

listens2glenn on December 30, 2011 at 2:02 PM

MJBrutus on December 30, 2011 at 8:30 AM

I know people like that too but that’s not my Joe. He’s proud – but not into the whole gay pride thing. Flamboyancy is definitely not his style. Most talks with him tend to center on topics of family (he’s in ARIZ, my wife and I in PA) and his business.

independentvoice on December 30, 2011 at 3:36 PM

McDuck on December 30, 2011 at 9:50 AM

Thank you. Paul is the other condidate that I simply cannot vote for. I believe that he is genuinely crazy. If either got the nomination I would vote against them.

independentvoice on December 30, 2011 at 3:40 PM

listens2glenn on December 30, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Thank you for the compliment and the blessing. I would neveer turn that down – I need all of them I can get.

independentvoice on December 30, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I don’t even recognize you anymore

apocalypse on December 29, 2011 at 3:09 PM

Who don’t you recognize anymore?

Cindy Munford on December 29, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Society is brainwashed.

apocalypse on December 31, 2011 at 2:34 PM

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