Quotes of the day

posted at 10:42 pm on December 29, 2011 by Allahpundit

“In an interview with RealClearPolitics on Thursday, Mitt Romney dismissed any possibility that Ron Paul might win the Republican nomination.

“‘Ron Paul’s not going to be our nominee,’ Romney said aboard his campaign bus, en route to a rally in Ames.”

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“[Romney's] decision to double down in Iowa has heightened the pressure to produce a strong showing just as polls are suggesting a surge by Representative Ron Paul of Texas, whose libertarian message appears to be resonating with many voters. A victory by Mr. Paul on Tuesday would test the ability of Mr. Romney’s advisers to spin a second-place result into a win for him.

“Even Mr. Romney seemed to recognize the futility of that public relations effort, should it come to that. Asked on Wednesday afternoon whether a second-place finish behind Mr. Paul would qualify as a victory, Mr. Romney was quick to answer.

“‘Uh, no,’ he said.”

***

“A Santorum surge, Erickson wrote, means Romney is likely to win the nomination.

“That prospect doesn’t bother King, who pointed to Romney’s ‘exemplary family life’ with his wife of 42 years and five sons. ‘He has more children and fewer vices than I have, so how can I criticize him?’ King said, in what could be viewed as an appeal to social conservatives to come to terms with Romney’s likely success. ‘I could do business with Mitt Romney. I could do business with any of these candidates.’

“Actually, there is one candidate whose foreign policy position troubles King far more than Romney’s waffling on abortion. Ron Paul advocates pulling all American troops out of foreign countries as part of a massive military disengagement. ‘That would be a calamity,’ King said. He also worries that a Paul victory in the Iowa caucuses would diminish the state’s status because the quirky libertarian is so unlikely to win the nomination.”

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“The Paul candidacy is of course doomed. But the Paul vote won’t die. This vote has been building in the depths of the American political ocean since the spending spree of the second Bush term. These people see the upward spending trend in annual outlays and accumulated commitments not as a ‘problem,’ as the Beltway prefers, but as a threat to their well-being…

“[I]f the former Massachusetts governor doesn’t reach out pretty soon to the Paul-Perry-Bachmann Republican protest voters, he may never get them. The longer he waits, the more pressure will build for a third-party challenge that will cost him the election. That it would be led by a Ron Paul or Donald Trump is irrelevant to why these people would vote third party—or stay home.

“Mr. Romney is going to have to take a risk with some piece of his locked-down strategy—the RomneyCare denial, the ‘middle-class’ ceiling on his tax cut, naming a running mate who could have beaten him in the primaries.”

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It’s difficult, if not impossible, to imagine a reassuring ‘unity photo’ from the Tampa convention showing Ron Paul joining the other also-rans lifting arms at the podium together with the victor who has beaten them. The more support angry voters provide to Paul protest candidacy the more inconceivable that image becomes, and the more likely the reelection of Obama and Biden.

“By far the best outcome for those who yearn above all to replace the Democrat in the White House would be to witness the rapid, well-deserved fizzle of the Paulian insurgency. This sort of quick collapse remains a distinct possibility—with a disappointing showing in Iowa followed by even more limited support that polls presently predict in the other early primary states. If Paul winds up with less than 10 percent of the national Republican vote, he would merit only an obscure position at the convention, reassuring the broader public that if you refuse to disavow support from open Nazis and unrepentant Ku Kluxers—as Dr. Paul explicitly refuses to do, in interviews recently with The New York Times and four years ago on my radio show—you will find no comfortable home in today’s Republican Party.

“Voters who might feel tempted to express discontent with the status quo by casting a ballot for Ron Paul during primary season still understand that backing him in any third party bid would bring disaster to the conservative cause; in the general election, it’s obvious that a vote for Ron Paul would amount to a vote for Barack Obama.”

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“Here’s the point that I believe Henninger misses. ‘These people’ who are fuelling the Paul boomlet, and before that the Bachman/Perry/Cain/Gingrich boomlets, are not just the Republican protest vote. Since Obama has no Democrat rivals, there’s no real opportunity for a Democrat protest vote. The only way for Republicans and the unaffiliated middle-of-the-roader who voted for Obama in 2008 to show their opposition to Washington policies is the Republican primary. And who are they? They are the broad middle class who are unemployed or have family members, neighbors and friends who are losing their homes, their jobs and their hope for a better future while Washington lives it up on their dime…

“They are that virtual mob with pitchforks that are desperate to anoint someone as their leader who will help them storm the castle and evict the ogre holed up there. Mitt Romney doesn’t look like the kind of guy who is comfortable handling a pitchfork, but if he’s the last man standing after all the others fail, he’ll be appointed to that role.

“In 2008 the people went to the polls before the full impact of the financial melt-down had sunk in. They voted for Mr. HopeN’Change because they thought Obama didn’t really mean it when he promised to fundamentally change America. They though that they were electing a President who would fix the problems and set the country back on its accustomed course. The Three Years of Obama taught them just how wrong they were. HopeN’Change is now replaced by Change it Back. Obama is now viewed with fear and loathing. Those who did not like him now despise him and those who were on the fence are joining the opposition. Many see Obama as the ogre in the castle who has taken America hostage. The middle class is in danger of losing its grip on their part of the American Dream, and this time the mob with pitchforks is for real. That is the real meaning of the Paul vote.”

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“Rep. Ron Paul’s surge in Iowa has triggered a theoretical question for his rivals this week: given his foreign policy views, would they be willing to support him over President Obama if he were the nominee? Newt Gingrich said ‘no,’ Mitt Romney said ‘yes.’ But it is also a kind of an intriguing gut check question for conservatives on how they balance foreign and domestic policy. Having thought about it over the last few days and debated it on Twitter for a bit last night, I’ve determined that I’d very begrudgingly back Obama in such a matchup.”

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Via Breitbart TV.


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Don’t give him too hard of a time. He’s paying rapt attention to Ron Paul’s interview while looking for a box of tissues.
You surly betcha.

AllahsNippleHair on December 30, 2011 at 12:08 AM

I observe that you are no Sherlock either.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Thank you,kind friend.

I’m saving them up for that Obama pooper-scooper from the green-stamp catalog.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Where is this meme that Romney is afraid of Obama coming from? Romney has been hitting the guy hard all year.

therightwinger on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Ron Paul is like Henry Kane from Poltergeist.

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Pics or it ain’t true.

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Kingjester.

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

canopfor on December 30, 2011 at 12:00 AM
==========================================

Well they weren’t likely Armenians as I think the Turks killed practically all of them.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Carthoris:

Could be,and speaking of Airstrikes,the “Highway of Death” was
an awesome mission,retreating Iraq Goons who pilfred Kuwait,a
whole long convoy,miles long,got caught by the US AirForce,and
talk about Justice!
=======================

Highway of Death
******************

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death

canopfor on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Don’t give him too hard of a time. He’s paying rapt attention to Ron Paul’s interview while looking for a box of tissues.
You surly betcha.

AllahsNippleHair on December 30, 2011 at 12:08 AM
I observe that you are no Sherlock either.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

One trick pony. Don’t work around here.

AllahsNippleHair on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

I observe that you are no Sherlock either.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

Personal attacks are the internet form of surrender. TTFN it was entertaining yet mind numbing.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Ron Paul is a Hot Air magnet.

SlaveDog on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Ron Paul is like Henry Kane from Poltergeist.

I just Googled that.

Whoa…..
The similarities…

Electrongod on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:09 AM

You deny that people (hundreds of thousands of people, at that) died because of sanctions?

Do you actually try to refute arguments presented? Or do you only stick your head in the sand when presented with something you don’t like?

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:13 AM

Paul gets a lot of support from Independents but he still gets 50+ percent from registered Republicans. I believe among registered R’s in Iowa it’s 25% Romney to 20% Paul. There are a lot of libertarian leaning GOPers out there.

ModerateMan on December 30, 2011 at 12:13 AM

Kingjester.

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

D@mn…!!!!
*I can’t comment any further….*
But D@mn!!!

Electrongod on December 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Kingjester.

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Nah, he’s a balding middle aged albino midget.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Otay peeps,I got some Kill’n to do in
Call of Duty WW2,some Germans are asking for it!

GoodNight all———————————–:)

canopfor on December 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM

GoodNight all———————————–:)

canopfor on December 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM

See ya tomorrow…

Electrongod on December 30, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Kingjester.

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

I knew it!

SlaveDog on December 30, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Just think back to all the Iraqi men, women and children (people completely innocent of any wrong doing) who died thanks to the ridiculous sanctions placed on them during the 90′s.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:07 AM

Probably less than those innocent civilians who died by being fed feet first into industrial meat grinders by Saddam’s secret police, or exposed to mustard gas when Saddam’s army was wiping out Kurd villages, or disappeared into the bowels of one of the many, many prisons in every town in Iraq.

You Ron Paul true believers need to get a grip. We are not the bad guys of the world. A cabal of Zionist bankers does not want your firstborn for purposes of child sacrifice. Water fluoridation is not a government mind-control program. Up is not down and down is not up. Everything Alex Jones and Ron Paul have told you is wrong.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Do you really believe the messiah is a man who looks like one of the cartoon buzzards in Snow White?

troyriser_gopftw on December 30, 2011 at 12:16 AM

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:16 AM

You deny that people (hundreds of thousands of people, at that) died because of sanctions?

Do you actually try to refute arguments presented? Or do you only stick your head in the sand when presented with something you don’t like?

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:13 AM

They died at the hands of a madman while he built numerous palaces for himself and rape rooms for his sons.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Kingjester.

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Post-op, right?

steebo77 on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

canopfor on December 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Later Friend..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Do you actually try to refute arguments presented? Or do you only stick your head in the sand when presented with something you don’t like?

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:13 AM

Has nothing to do with what I like. The Iraqi government itself has said that those claims are not true.

Since you brought it up, it’s your burden to prove it. Not my burden to prove it’s false.

Go back to Daily Kos. Or LGF.

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

I just Googled that.

Whoa…..
The similarities…

Electrongod on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Imagine him bumping around the Lincoln bedroom at midnight….secret service, er paranormal investigators talking into handsets trying to figure out who has got the football.

:Code name Kane:

“Kanes got the ball, wait check one……”

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:19 AM

Seriously, what is wrong with you people? Do you really believe the messiah is a man who looks like one of the cartoon buzzards in Snow White?

troyriser_gopftw on December 30, 2011 at 12:16 AM

Heh. That’s pretty good imagery.

SlaveDog on December 30, 2011 at 12:19 AM

Post-op, right?

steebo77 on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Just admire the view. Ya probably don’t want to go exploring too much.

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:20 AM

Kanes got the ball, wait check one……”

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:19 AM

LOL…..
Nightmares…Darn…

Electrongod on December 30, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Personal attacks are the internet form of surrender. .

Rio Linda Refugee on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Then you have already surrendered.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:21 AM

and the football. Good gawsh, no wonder I can’t sleep.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Why, is Ron Paul too hawkish for you?

FloatingRock on December 30, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Meanwhile, Afghanistan, which Obama has doubled down on, now provides 90+% of the world’s heroin while the largest military action in the 21st Century takes place in that country and the opium poppies in many cases grow right up to the razor wire of American bases.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:24 AM

FloatingRock on December 30, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Im thinking more like a bird from a Harry Potter flick.

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Why, is Ron Paul too hawkish for you?

FloatingRock on December 30, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Did you forget your sarc // tag??..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:27 AM

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Considering I’m not liberal or progressive, I don’t go to dKos very often or LGF at all. I do work to get a good view of the world, so I try to keep track of republican politics, democratic politics and libertarian politics. Needless to say, this is not the only place I get my information from.

Since you asked, here are your references:

http://www.public.asu.edu/~wellsda/foreignpolicy/Halliday-criticizes-sanctions.html
http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhte/014/Truth%20and%20Death.pdf
http://mattwelch.com/NatPostSave/Sanctions.htm

They died at the hands of a madman while he built numerous palaces for himself and rape rooms for his sons.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM

troyriser_gopftw on December 30, 2011 at 12:16 AM

So, Hussein and his family were disgusting pieces of crap, so it’s ok if America causes the deaths of innocent people?

I’m not arguing that Hussein was a saint here.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

Meanwhile, Afghanistan, which Obama has doubled down on, now provides 90+% of the world’s heroin while the largest military action in the 21st Century takes place in that country and the opium poppies in many cases grow right up to the razor wire of American bases.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:24 AM

Why, you’re right. We should dig up all those unused canisters of Agent Orange and have at it. Worked in Vietnam, right?

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM

Lets say just for kicks the brokered convention happens.

Which perfect candidate comes out of the woodwork to sweep the nomination?

Who’s everyone’s choice that the RNC will accept?

Speakup on December 30, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Ron Paul would say we were meddling in the Mediterranean, which was their ocean, where we had no right to be, and they justifably attacked our ships and enslaved our sailors and Marines.

profitsbeard on December 29, 2011 at 11:32 PM

No, Paul is for trade with other nations. Our merchant ships were attacked, and we responded. Why are you making things up?

Dante on December 29, 2011 at 11:37 PM

You’re one slick Paulite if I’ve ever heard one. :P You’re basically saying Paul has no problem with us responding to aggression or hostility from foreign nations, if we are attacked. But not attacking nations which have not attacked us.

The reasoning of the Bush Administration in regards to Iraq in 2003 and from conservatives today in regards to Iran is that there’s strong reason to believe these nations will attack us and/or our allies, and we can’t let that happen, so why wait til Chicago or Tel Aviv are incinerated to act? In other words, pre-emptive war. Now a typical Paul fan will then ask “Wouldn’t that be an excuse we could use to hypothetically attack ANYONE anywhere at any time?” The answer is a very qualified yes. If there is strong reason to believe country x or terror group x is planning to attack us, the answer is yes. If there is no evidence that nation or terror group is planning on attacking us or our interests, the answer is no.

But back to the Barbary War, since its a fascinating subject and directly relevant to Ron Paul’s inconsistency. Paul and his follows (i.e. You) can say all you want that we were justified in responding to attacks on our merchant ships in the Barbary War, but the bottom line is we were over there, and according to RuPaul’s logic in regards to the Middle East today, Al-Qaeda, Iran, and the Taliban want to kill us specifically BECAUSE we are ‘over there’. So why would the Muslim Barbary pirates killing our soldiers and attacking our merchant ships way back when be any less understandable, if not even reasonable, than the terrorism we have faced for the past few decades in the U.S.?

We cut off oil to Japan in July 1941. They attacked us at Pearl Harbor in December of the same year. Paul never condemns our response, our full-scale involvement in WWII. Sure, it was a declared war, but the bottom line was that we enacted a massive, painful oil embargo on a nation which desperately needed our oil. That is akin to a devastating sanction, which Ron Paul calls an ‘act of war’. So we screwed Japan over and got what we had coming to us. If Ron Paul actually followed his logic out, that would be the reasonable conclusion of his reasoning in regards to interventionism, sanctions, embargoes, etc. Right?

I know what you’re thinking. ‘That was TOTALLY different than the neo-con nation-building spending sprees in Iraq and Afghanistan. Go read some more Weekly Standard and shut up, tool of the Military-Industrial Complex.’ You can point out plenty of real differences between WWII and Iraq, or the Barbary War and the War on Terror, but the bottom line is we were ‘over there’ or ‘meddling’ in other nations’ affairs in both WWII and the Barbary War, before, during, and after the conflicts. And on that fact (among many others), Ron Paul is as dishonest and inconsistent as a liberal talking about Affirmative Action or education spending.

We were also ‘meddling’ in Spanish, French, British, and Native American internal affairs for centuries before WWII and the Barbary War…heck, for many decades before we were even a nation! And Paul doesn’t have any problem with that. But somehow after WWII every single war has been ‘illegal’, ‘unconstitutional’ and ‘immoral’. Interesting mind he has.

LevinFan90 on December 30, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:24 AM

You’re full of crap. DEA and Special Ops are operating full time interdicting the actual movement of refined and tar opium to the borders. Tell another lie.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Why, you’re right. We should dig up all those unused canisters of Agent Orange and have at it. Worked in Vietnam, right?

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM

You’ll have to talk to Obama. He more than doubled the number of troops there, so it’s all his now.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

GoodNight all———————————–:)

canopfor on December 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Sleep well, friend.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

America causes the deaths of innocent people?

I’m not arguing that Hussein was a saint here.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

You’re absolutely clueless…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Why, you’re right. We should dig up all those unused canisters of Agent Orange and have at it. Worked in Vietnam, right?

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM

They make big hay out of smaller growers continuing their fields. They have a local trade the US doesn’t give a rats rear end about. Large growers and any drugs trying to be transported to the borders are interdicted vigorously.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:36 AM

That’s not exactly an argument someone in favor of limited government would make. Dante on December 30, 2011 at 12:07 AM

“I favor limited govt, and I have lots of skeletons in my closet that only big govt advocates care about,” -RP.

Akzed on December 30, 2011 at 12:37 AM

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

Good to see you ..Now we can make some progress here..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

You’ll have to talk to Obama. He more than doubled the number of troops there, so it’s all his now.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:34 AM

No, he didn’t, wtf? Is this amateur hour?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

You’re full of crap. DEA and Special Ops are operating full time interdicting the actual movement of refined and tar opium to the borders. Tell another lie.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

You are getting hysterical. Today the street prices of cocaine and heroin are at almost historic lows. That should tell you something.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

You’re absolutely clueless…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM

The Taliban had a tremendous anti-drug campaign. They reduced the opium production by 91%.

Opium production there didn’t pick up until their economy collapsed post-invasion.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:41 AM

sharrukin on December 30, 2011 at 12:12 AM

I always appreciate KJ’s sense of humor, you fellas just appreciate his ass-ets and sweater puppies.

Time for sensitivity training. We’ll have AP get right on that ;D

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:41 AM

So, Hussein and his family were disgusting pieces of crap, so it’s ok if America causes the deaths of innocent people?

I’m not arguing that Hussein was a saint here.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

We are the only country on the face of the earth that has gone out of its way to protect the innocents among our enemies. In so doing, we have incurred more deaths among our own troops, a horrible thing in and of itself. Yes, there were many innocents killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but so were there among our own people at Pearl. Take your moral relativism elsewhere, we’re all stocked up here.

TXUS on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

So, Hussein and his family were disgusting pieces of crap, so it’s ok if America causes the deaths of innocent people?

I’m not arguing that Hussein was a saint here.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

That’s a leviathan segue to infer that America was the sole cause of deaths in your cited links.

Perchance did you vet any of these sources? The only reason I ask is that the purple unicorn you are astride is giving me pleading looks.

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Did you forget your sarc // tag??..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:27 AM

Nah, it was just so obvious one wasn’t required. : )

FloatingRock on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

I’m not going to stay long. I’m trying to get up early to go hunting. Just thought I’d correct a few of the more pathetic claims. I see Dante came here after embarrassing himself on the other thread.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 12:35 AM

Hey, would you look at that! More ad hominems.

Tell me, is it comfortable keeping your head in the sand for so long?

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

No, he didn’t, wtf? Is this amateur hour?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Apparently you think it is as Obama increased the number of American troops in Afcrapistan from around 46,000 to around 100,000, which is more than double in any language.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

What game are you playing here? Just trying to see how long I’ll waste time dealing with you?

Two of the three links you provided assert that the death figures were wrong. One asserts that it was right. All three quote from the same sources, which turn out to be wire service articles.

The main condemnor of the US is the UN guy and even he doesn’t do a very good job of describing much beyond a couple of tear-jerker anecdotes more suitable for Oprah than HotAir.

The sanctions didn’t cause any deaths. Hussein playing his usual propaganda games caused deaths, maybe. Plus, if all those babies died, where did all the yound adult males come from that are now working and living in Iraq? You can’t lose half a million kids in a narrow range age group in a country of 25 million and not have it show up later as a seriously under-represented age group in the general population.

I’m done with this. If you want to believe that the UN is the fount of righteousness and the US is the great Satan, be my guest. But if you are in the USA, I am politely requesting that you leave this evil place.

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

Wait! I need to go get a refill, and I don’t want to miss seeing Hawk clean your clock.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

I’m not going to stay long. I’m trying to get up early to go hunting.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Your time would be better spent studying basic arithmetic.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:41 AM

BS.

They didn’t control the North. They didn’t interfere with the HIG and they allowed small growers that used tar opium for medicine and trade. You’re citing incorrect data.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Wait! I need to go get a refill, and I don’t want to miss seeing Hawk clean your clock.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

If he does it will be a first for him.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

TXUS on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

I’m not the kind of guy who supports “the ends justify the means.” Especially when the means causes so many deaths.

You brought up a good point, protecting the innocent. During the Israel-Lebanon war in ’06, the Israelis took great care at preventing deaths of innocent people, which is something I applaud. That same care is not taken when sanctions are put in place (especially ones as obscene as the Iraqi sanctions).

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:46 AM

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

I’m back. Now go ahead and say something stoopid.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

I am a fair man. In a battle of arithmetic, hawk can use a calculate and I will just do the math in my head.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

These are estimates. I specifically chose the conservative estimates.

Estimates are as good as it gets, due to the nature of the issue.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

I’m back. Now go ahead and say something stoopid.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

OK. Iraq and Afghanistan were great victories!!

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:48 AM

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

I’m not the one lying, Goebbels…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 12:49 AM

platypus on December 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM

Considering it was the UN that enforced these sanctions, hardly.

Back on topic, the subject is “sanctions are an act of war.”

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM

I’m not the one lying, Goebbels…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 12:49 AM

and thats a light saber to the haid

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 12:50 AM

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Good luck hunting..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:51 AM

Speakup on December 30, 2011 at 12:31 AM

I’ve suggested Sarah/Rand in the past not because I’m a Palin fan myself but because of her record of reform and leadership helping to stop the Obama agenda. I prefer Bachmann myself but will probably be voting for Ron Paul in the primary because the GOP doesn’t seem to like her.

FloatingRock on December 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM

No, he didn’t, wtf? Is this amateur hour?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:39 AM

More like open mic night where every drunken idjit thinks he’s amusing.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM

FloatingRock on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Okay..If you feel that way//..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 12:54 AM

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:44 AM

Here’s the best I could find, since the UNODC website doesn’t go back far enough.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/13/world/taliban-s-eradication-of-poppies-is-convulsing-opium-market.html

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Apparently you think it is as Obama increased the number of American troops in Afcrapistan from around 46,000 to around 100,000, which is more than double in any language.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:42 AM

Well, they’re currently authorized 90K, which isn’t “about 100K”. (I know you guys love to exaggerate).

They also say that he’s supposed to increase to 102K in 12 all the while he promised 10K home by the end of this year and 23K more in 12. This is all great if you don’t take into consideration that the entire OEF force is reducing their unit forces by 30 percent to abide by a CENTCOM mandated 70 percent ForceCAP because of the current budget.

When you’re talking about more than doubling the forces. It’s nice if he actually does it. What?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:57 AM

What’s funny is that Herr Doktor lied about the newsletters – saying that not only didn’t he write them but that he didn’t read them either – and he’s now admitted that he has in fact written some of them, but not the bad ones.

This crazed out crank just proved himself a liar – and the Paultards are still slathering in teh crazy.

catmman on December 30, 2011 at 12:58 AM

“Lets say just for kicks the brokered convention happens.

Which perfect candidate comes out of the woodwork to sweep the nomination?

Who’s everyone’s choice that the RNC will accept?”

I don’t think the Ron Paul supporters would compromise with anybody but Rand Paul.

ModerateMan on December 30, 2011 at 12:59 AM

Here’s the best I could find, since the UNODC website doesn’t go back far enough.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/13/world/taliban-s-eradication-of-poppies-is-convulsing-opium-market.html

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM

Are you more interested in a NYTs article or someone that was involved in the drug interdiction in Afghanistan?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:59 AM

OK. Iraq and Afghanistan were great victories!!

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:48 AM

But they were just wars. Right?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:00 AM

I’m beginning to think Ron Paul isn’t crazy but rather, he’s too scared of his “followers” to set the record straight…

Nahhhh…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 1:02 AM

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 1:02 AM

It is definitely an alternate universe..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

Are you more interested in a NYTs article or someone that was involved in the drug interdiction in Afghanistan?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:59 AM

It is more concerned with you puting the lotion in the basket, lowering it to the drowning polar bears…

Anyone breaking out with united nation statistics is suspect in regards to legitimate debate.

Its akin to requesting facts from Axlerod during the Chicago olympics.

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

I am a fair man. In a battle of arithmetic, hawk can use a calculate and I will just do the math in my head.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:47 AM

It’s not your math, it’s your devotion to media data when you like it and suspicions of it when you have an anti-war axe to grind.

Do you have some ROn Paul video I’m supposed to be offered now? One that explains it better than you can?

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

‘He has more children and fewer vices than I have, so how can I criticize him?’ King said

“It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.” —Abraham Lincoln.

John the Libertarian on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

It is definitely an alternate universe..:)

Dire Straits on December 30, 2011 at 1:04 AM

With no reality…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

rpaul must’ve bumped his head pretty hard…

Rea1ityCheck on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 12:59 AM

I’m just pointing out that the Taliban cut way back on Afghanistan’s opium production.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

So, Hussein and his family were disgusting pieces of crap, so it’s ok if America causes the deaths of innocent people?
I’m not arguing that Hussein was a saint here.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 12:28 AM

I assume you find that all those innocent deaths caused by our bombers in the European and Pacific theaters during WWII was a travesty?

chemman on December 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

When will RP disavow David Duke’s endorsement?

Akzed on December 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

If he does it will be a first for him.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Well, tonight was the first time we talked. It takes a while to get around to everyone. But thanks for playing.

Tell him what he’s won, Johnny.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Lets all throw out numbers we disagree with!

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Romney puck:(. How many people does he have to buy in order to be president! He is to clean. Everyone has dirt. What is he hidding? He has the Jimmy Carter smile that creeps me out! If Romneys the nominee I’ll diffidently stay home or vote independent or third party.

Capitalist75 on December 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

I’m just pointing out that the Taliban cut way back on Afghanistan’s opium production.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

No, you cited UN and NYTs data that states it was reduced by 91 percent.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

chemman on December 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

I wouldn’t be lying if I said I was anti-war. Death is never something to celebrate.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

I’m just pointing out that the Taliban cut way back on Afghanistan’s opium production.

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 1:07 AM

walk it back, your other point was that America caused 250k deaths of children…

RAGIN CAJUN on December 30, 2011 at 1:10 AM

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:06 AM

It’s all in the newsletters that RP did and didn’t write…

Gohawgs on December 30, 2011 at 1:10 AM

Per ABC News (June 20, 2011): “There are currently about 100,000 troops in Afghanistan.”

Per The Examiner (October 13, 2009): “Report: Peace Prize winner Obama doubles number of troops in Afghanistan since Bush left office”.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 1:11 AM

I live in liberal-land, and I’ve learned to separate my feelings about various candidates from family and friends who vote for these tools. If I couldn’t do that, I would be one lonely broad.

The only exception if Ron Paul. I cannot fathom just how crazy and hate-filled a person must be to support that wack-job.

Laura in Maryland on December 30, 2011 at 1:12 AM

gyrmnix on December 30, 2011 at 1:09 AM

Fair answer. BTW I’m not celebrating death just checking for some intellectual honesty.

chemman on December 30, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Well, tonight was the first time we talked.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Are you sure about that?

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Well, tonight was the first time we talked.

hawkdriver on December 30, 2011 at 1:08 AM

You may have blocked the last time from your memory. As I recall you got quite upset.

Carthoris on December 30, 2011 at 1:14 AM

I’ve suggested Sarah/Rand in the past not because I’m a Palin fan myself but because of her record of reform and leadership helping to stop the Obama agenda

I wonder how a Rand/Palin or Palin/Rand ticket would do at a brokered convention?

ModerateMan on December 30, 2011 at 1:14 AM

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