Perry sues Virginia elections board to gain ballot access

posted at 9:00 pm on December 27, 2011 by Allahpundit

Taegan Goddard provides the obligatory zinger about a noted fan of states rights and the Tenth Amendment asking a federal judge to overrule Virginia’s preferences on ballot access. The statement from Team Perry:

“Gov. Perry greatly respects the citizens and history of the Commonwealth of Virginia and believes Virginia Republicans should have greater access to vote for one of the several candidates for President of the United States,” said Perry campaign communications director Ray Sullivan.

“Virginia ballot access rules are among the most onerous and are particularly problematic in a multi-candidate election. We believe that the Virginia provisions unconstitutionally restrict the rights of candidates and voters by severely restricting access to the ballot, and we hope to have those provisions overturned or modified to provide greater ballot access to Virginia voters and the candidates seeking to earn their support.”

Here’s the complaint, which is mercifully short. One interesting bit comes in paragraph 18, which says Perry submitted “over 6,000 petition signatures from qualified Virginia voters.” According to the Virginia GOP, he submitted more than 11,900 signatures total, which I guess means … only slightly more than half were from qualified voters? Good lord. The other important part, which you should take two minutes to read, is Count 1 spanning paragraphs 24 through 28. He’s arguing that Virginia’s requirement that petition circulators all be residents of the state who are either registered to vote or eligible to be registered imposes a too-heavy burden on his right to engage in political speech and therefore violates the First Amendment. Is he right? Well, here’s the leading Supreme Court precedent that he cites, which is also mercifully short. Skip down to section III and take two more minutes to read that. The question for the Court in that case was ever so slightly different: Colorado law allowed only currently registered voters to be petition circulators, not people who were eligible but who hadn’t registered yet. It was slightly more restrictive than Virginia’s system, in other words — and the Court found that it did in fact violate the First Amendment. Key quote:

Colorado seeks to ensure that circulators will be amenable to the Secretary of State’s subpoena power, which in these matters does not extend beyond the State’s borders… The interest in reaching law violators, however, is served by the requirement, upheld below, that each circulator submit an affidavit setting out, among several particulars, the “address at which he or she resides, including the street name and number, the city or town, [and] the county.”… This address attestation, we note, has an immediacy, and corresponding reliability, that a voter’s registration may lack. The attestation is made at the time a petition section is submitted; a voter’s registration may lack that currency.

ACLF did not challenge Colorado’s right to require that all circulators be residents, a requirement that, the Tenth Circuit said, “more precisely achieved” the State’s subpoena service objective… Nor was any eligible-to-vote qualification in contest in this lawsuit. Colorado maintains that it is more difficult to determine who is a state resident than it is to determine who is a registered voter… The force of that argument is diminished, however, by the affidavit attesting to residence that each circulator must submit with each petition section.

In sum, assuming that a residence requirement would be upheld as a needful integrity-policing measure — a question we, like the Tenth Circuit … have no occasion to decide because the parties have not placed the matter of residence at issue — the added registration requirement is not warranted.

In other words, the Supremes specifically refused to say how demanding the state could be in setting qualifications for petition circulators. The only rule they laid down was that you can’t limit the group to registered voters; at the very least, both registered voters and people eligible to register must be permitted, which is what Virginia does. The next step beyond that is to ask whether the state can constitutionally limit circulators to just those two groups or whether they have to let any U.S. resident be a circulator so long as they’re willing to provide an address at which the secretary of state can reach them. That’s what Perry’s arguing here; obviously, he would have loved to be able to ship volunteers from Texas into Virginia and have them circulate petitions instead of wasting time recruiting local supporters to do it for him. So I ask again: Is he right? A law professor interviewed by NBC says the lawsuit “now faces long odds, both legally and politically” (partly because they should have challenged Virginia’s requirements earlier), but some federal appellate courts have sided with Perry on this. Here’s one case, from the Tenth Circuit, finding state residency requirements for petition circulators unconstitutional; two other federal appellate courts have ruled similarly. The question is whether the Fourth Circuit, which covers Virginia, will rule the same way. How lucky do you feel?


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This is good, if only because it gets Perry some much-needed attention outside of Iowa. He’s getting lots of positive press there…now if only Fox et al would stop avoiding him like the Black Plague.

Perry is a fighter and he will take this to the bitter end, I’m sure. People are angry–after all, the VA GOP website was DOWN last Friday–and I know for a fact that people are shooting off letters of protest to their office. Hopefully this will be the last straw for the VA GOP and they’ll cave.

louisianapatriette on December 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Can you show us where the rules were actually changed?

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM

What has changed per post above by canopfor

So what changed?

…prior to the 2012 elections it was Republican party policy in Virginia to simply deem any candidate that brought in ten thousand raw signatures as having met the primary ballot requirements under Virginian state election law.

Under these rules, of course, both Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry would have qualified easily.

And why did the rules change?

…On October 24th independent state delegate candidate Michael Osborne filed suit against the Republican party of Virginia [challenging the signature review process and who performs it] … according to Winger the VA GOP decided in response to bump up from 10K to 15K the threshold for simply deeming the requirements as being met.

…I think that John Fund’s general comment is correct: this is going to go to the courts. John was not discussing this specific wrinkle, but his larger point that Virginia’s ballot access policies have systemic problems gets a big boost when it turns out that the state party can effectively increase by fifty percent the practical threshold for ballot access – in a day, and in the middle of an existing campaign.

…If it is true that the Republican party of Virginia decided in November of 2011 to increase the threshold for automatic certification from 10K to 15K, then it is reasonable to suggest that this was a change that unfairly rewarded candidates who had previously run for President in Virginia.

Lane asserts that the state GOP has ultimate control of the ballot and could, if pressed, decide to certify Gingrich and Perry.

Either way, the issue is going to the courts.

And, either way, the Virginia GOP looks incompetent… or ill-intentioned against conservative candidates.

Action Alert: I urge you to contact the Virginia GOP and demand that they include Gingrich and Perry on the ballot. Be polite, but firm. There’s no excuse for issuing new rules at the last minute that just happen to exclude the leading candidates. In fact, it’s an outrage.

• Email: Contact Form
• Phone: 804-780-0111
• Fax: 804-343-1060
• Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/VirginiaGOP
• Twitter: @va_gop

gophergirl on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Perry, with his millions, should have been prepared for this. So should a career politician like Newt, who is a Virginia resident.

cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:40 PM

How could they be prepared for a change in the rules favoring Romney that took place last month?

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Thank you, Governor Perry, for trying to help me get a chance to vote for a candidate other than Mitt Paul. :-)

Punchenko on December 27, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Did you sign nomination papers for Perry or Gingrich? Did you circulate nomination papers for Perry or Gingrich?

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:44 PM

And people trying to pin thier candidates’ incompetence on Romney are an embarrassment. Like he passed the election law. Romney doesn’t have the time or money to influence election law. He’s being badmouthed for being competent and responsible.

cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Know what we call Texas Toast here in Texas?

Toast.

We’ll leave the light on for you, Governor.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Are you being funny, or fascist? Either way, we’re all in this together, yes?

Yes. Indeed.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Wouldn’t Perry’s lawsuit be opening a Pandora’s Box? Anyone can say, hey I don’t like your stinkin’ laws, so I’m gonna sue you and make you change them! It’s like that guy who lost his election in Ohio and decided to sue for loss of wages. Also, this is highly ironic that a governor noted for his Tenth Amendment affinities decides to sue another state over their laws.

This related story appeared at Big Government yesterday. If accurate, it explains why most of the candidates didn’t make the ballot this cycle…

Gohawgs on December 27, 2011 at 9:19 PM

This is equally troubling. Changing the rules this soon is not fair play, IMO anyway. I’d like to know if the VA GOP notified the campaigns, and, if so, when and how.

conservative pilgrim on December 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM

One thing this does show is how stuck in the Stone age Republicans are on that whole internet thingy. Any of these candidates, regardless of funds could have organized supporters to get this done without any great expenditure. Put PDF petitions on your site for the state and have a few boots on the ground to make sure of crossed t’s, dotted i’s

Southernblogger on December 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM

How could they be prepared for a change in the rules favoring Romney that took place last month?

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Perry could have had people circulating nomination papers in August, September and October like Romney and Paul. Instead, he chose to wait until October 31 to declare he wsa running in Virginia’s primary.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Taegan Goddard provides the obligatory zinger about a noted fan of states rights and the Tenth Amendment asking a federal judge to overrule Virginia’s preferences on ballot access.

Oy. Perry is going ACORN on steroids? Major shark jumping.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Why, because Romney’s not as stupid as Newt and Perry and actually got on the ballot?

Pass the tinfoil.

1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

If by “not as stupid” you mean VA just deemed Romney’s 2008 signatures good to go for 2012 without any validation, then yes. Romney’s isn’t as stupid.

Spliff Menendez on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

How could they be prepared for a change in the rules favoring Romney that took place last month?

I didn’t see this. Where did it say the law changed last month?

cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

lets have Romney’s signatures verified and no one will complain about foul play. something tells me it wouldn’t look good for Romney if this happened though

Donald Draper on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

gophergirl on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

That still doesn’t change the fact that both Newt and Perry had almost 6 months to get the proper signatures.

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

gophergirl on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

, ‘

“got’

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

One thing this does show is how stuck in the Stone age Republicans are on that whole internet thingy. Any of these candidates, regardless of funds could have organized supporters to get this done without any great expenditure. Put PDF petitions on your site for the state and have a few boots on the ground to make sure of crossed t’s, dotted i’s
Southernblogger on December 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Yup. Could have been done using Facebook alone, unless a candidate just doesn’t have any grassroots support.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

How could they be prepared for a change in the rules favoring Romney that took place last month?

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Exactly! This isn’t incompetance of Perry’s or Gingrich’s part, this is incompetance by VA GOP (and I’d call it foul-play, too).

Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:49 PM

I didn’t see this. Where did it say the law changed last month?

cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM

One thing this does show is how stuck in the Stone age Republicans are on that whole internet thingy. Any of these candidates, regardless of funds could have organized supporters to get this done without any great expenditure. Put PDF petitions on your site for the state and have a few boots on the ground to make sure of crossed t’s, dotted i’s

Southernblogger on December 27, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Considering the Virginia 2-sided petitions had to be printed on two sides of a single sheet of paper, and not be two separate sheets of paper stapled together, it’s not as simple as having the volunteers run off the already-PDFed (by both the State Board of Elections and the Republican Party of Virginia) petitions, unless they have a duplexing printer.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM

What has a GOP primary election got to do with the Constitution?

This is a non-Constitutional issue, and should be thrown out of court on that basis alone.

If anything, this is purely a State-level lawsuit. Appealing to the Constitution should be considered a null argument.

Does the GOP wish to sue Virginia for Perry’s failure to play by the rules?

TwoShortPlanks on December 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

That still doesn’t change the fact that both Newt and Perry had almost 6 months to get the proper signatures.

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 9:48 PM

AHHHH what part of what has been posted do you not get? They had enough signatures until the threshold got bumped to 15,000 last month.

I admit they screwed up but they changed the rules a month before the deadline. That’s dirty pool IMO.

gophergirl on December 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

How could they be prepared for a change in the rules favoring Romney that took place last month?

I didn’t see this. Where did it say the law changed last month?
cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

It’s just a nutso conspiracy theory floated by some idiot at Redstate named “Moe”. Obviously, if it were true it would have been cited in this case.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

The complaint’s number was 6000+ because the number 6000 is less a bone of contention than the 11,000+ that were actually submitted. Of the 11,000 raw signatures, 6000 and change were accepted by VA. If they had said the amount they had actually submitted, VA could object that 5000+ signatures were thrown out, and the campaign did not in fact submit 11,000 names.

All jelly Mittbots aside, the VA GOP changed their rules in the middle of the campaign, and tightened the rules to where nobody would qualify except for candidates who had an ability to refer back to a 2008 submission of signatures. Sooprise, sooprise, what is it–the lieutenant governor in VA is part of the Mitt campaign–fancy that! Yes, this is dirty pool, and exactly why there is a federal judiciary. Notice Perry never said he’d abolish all federal judgeship, just take federal courts back to their intended purpose.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Exactly! This isn’t incompetance of Perry’s or Gingrich’s part, this is incompetance by VA GOP (and I’d call it foul-play, too).

Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:49 PM

I guess we are evil for not liking the choices our GOP superiors have chosen for the peasants cheer for. Heck, I don’t even like Perry, but this stinks!

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:53 PM

FWIW the only one who asked me to sign in VA was the Romney campaign just outside the polls in November. I would have signed for Perry and Newt if asked.

Ignoring the ‘law’ for a moment, it seems to me that major canidates ought to be on the balot. If the law does not do that, I tend to disagree with the law. I dislike the smell of aparent favoritism in the signature checking, and the rules change (or change of enforcement) midway through the process. Just how much overkill should Perry and Newt paid for in their signature collecting, not knowing half would be thrown out? Don’t we want candidates to be efficient also?

AnotherOpinion on December 27, 2011 at 9:53 PM

I didn’t see this. Where did it say the law changed last month?
cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

canopfor has posted the links and the relevant info in page one. Also, many others in this thread have posted the links showing the rule change just last month right here on page two. Places like Red State, Ballot Access News, and Big Government are ALL OVER this.

Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM

lets have Romney’s signatures verified and no one will complain about foul play. something tells me it wouldn’t look good for Romney if this happened though

Donald Draper on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Something tells me Romney wouldn’t have 6,000 tossed, but I still wonder why the RPV stuck to their “safe harbor” after this blew up.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM

the VA GOP changed their rules in the middle of the campaign
Sekhmet on December 27, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Sorry, but that’s just a lunatic conspiracy theory you’re citing, with no basis in reality.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Okay my blood pressure can’t take a double overtime Gopher game and this thread LOL.

Have a good night all.

gophergirl on December 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

…it’s not as simple as having the volunteers run off the already-PDFed [snip] petitions, unless they have a duplexing printer.

Which are so unaffordable unless you’re a member of the stinkin’ 1%.

And what about getting the petitions submitted? It’s not as simple as having the volunteers deliver them, unless they have one of those new-fangled horseless carriages with the internal combustion engines and pneumatic tires.

TwoShortPlanks on December 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I guess we are evil for not liking the choices our GOP superiors have chosen for the peasants cheer for. Heck, I don’t even like Perry, but this stinks!

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:53 PM

I know! Plus, since you are not a Perry supporter, I feel your posts on this subject carry even more weight. I have appreciated them all.

Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:56 PM

HOW BOUT WE JUST CHILL OUT

Ezra klein is gay.

And, that’s all

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:56 PM

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM

I can understand that, and I was not aware of it, but they could still organize online.

Southernblogger on December 27, 2011 at 9:57 PM

The complaint’s number was 6000+ because the number 6000 is less a bone of contention than the 11,000+ that were actually submitted. Of the 11,000 raw signatures, 6000 and change were accepted by VA. If they had said the amount they had actually submitted, VA could object that 5000+ signatures were thrown out, and the campaign did not in fact submit 11,000 names.

All jelly Mittbots aside, the VA GOP changed their rules in the middle of the campaign, and tightened the rules to where nobody would qualify except for candidates who had an ability to refer back to a 2008 submission of signatures. Sooprise, sooprise, what is it–the lieutenant governor in VA is part of the Mitt campaign–fancy that! Yes, this is dirty pool, and exactly why there is a federal judiciary. Notice Perry never said he’d abolish all federal judgeship, just take federal courts back to their intended purpose.

nobody but the perry campaign said they had 11,900. I say they only submitted 6000. if they were going to argue that the additional signatures were no good because they were gotten by non-residents than they would be arguing that. they are arguing they should not need 10,000. I have seen no official link by anybody confirming that 11,900 were actually submitted

gerrym51 on December 27, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Ezra klein is gay.

And, that’s all

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:56 PM

10,000 validated votes says he is.

Electrongod on December 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Which are so unaffordable unless you’re a member of the stinkin’ 1%.

And what about getting the petitions submitted? It’s not as simple as having the volunteers deliver them, unless they have one of those new-fangled horseless carriages with the internal combustion engines and pneumatic tires.

TwoShortPlanks on December 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Call me one of the stinking 1% – my $250 duplexing laser printer/scanner/fax/copier is right next to my monitor.

Of course, it’s only a monochrome printer, so I’ve got a $60 wireless inkjet for when I want to print in color (or print from the laptop without firing up the desktop).

Still, there are relatively few people who do have duplexing printers, but that’s more due to the lack of choices in the market.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Also, many others in this thread have posted the links showing the rule change just last month right here on page two.
Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:54 PM

And that conspiracy theory has been totally debunked many times in many threads here, AG. Sorry, but it has zero basis in fact – it’s merely a paranoid RonPaulish fantasy. If it were otherwise why isn’t offered in Perry’s Algorian anti-state’s right lawsuit here?

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:01 PM

From Smitty at The Other McCain:

The interesting context to Cuccinelli’s newsletter is the 2013 VA gubernatorial race, in which Attorney General Cuccinelli is slated to offer a primary challenge to Lieutenant Governor Bill Bolling. Apparently, a 2009 gentleman’s agreement between Bolling and current Governor Bob McDonnell had Bolling waiting until 2013 to run. Cuccinelli appears to be rocking the boat rather hard in his pursuit of the Governor’s mansion.

Note, too, that Mitt Romney, who stands to lock in Virginia’s delegates at the GOP nomination, as a result of being opposed by Ron “I get my foreign policy ideas from Carter” Paul, has none other than Bill Bolling as his campaign chairman in VA.

INC on December 27, 2011 at 10:01 PM

How could they be prepared for a change in the rules favoring Romney that took place last month?

sharrukin on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

WTF are you talking about?

BocaJuniors on December 27, 2011 at 10:01 PM

This is HA – people won’t listen no matter how many times you put facts in front of their face.

gophergirl on December 27, 2011 at 9:41 PM

This place is definitely not what it used to be. Pretty sad.

(He’s a wuss if he doesn’t fight back, and he’s a wuss if he fights back. Really sick of the Perry bashing that goes on here. What the ___ do people have against giving voters a choice beyond Romney and Paul, anyway?)

capitalist piglet on December 27, 2011 at 10:02 PM

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Thank you for reposting, it’s obviously needed!

Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Aslans Girl:-:)

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM

OT:

Shannon Bream of FNC just tweeted about a “GOP candidate who will drop out tomorrow”.

She’s hosting Greta’s show tonight if you’d like to tune in for details.

Flora Duh on December 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Can you show us where the rules were actually changed?
JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM

No, they can’t. All you’ll get is links to misc. conspiracy theories. Absolutely no links to official state records or the VA Rep party. It’s a paranoid fantasy.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Considering the Virginia 2-sided petitions had to be printed on two sides of a single sheet of paper, and not be two separate sheets of paper stapled together, it’s not as simple as having the volunteers run off the already-PDFed (by both the State Board of Elections and the Republican Party of Virginia) petitions, unless they have a duplexing printer.

[Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:50 PM]

No, but is it as simple as knowing you can go to Staples or any print shop with the two separate pages and ask for 20 copies of it double sided and then pay them, what, $2?

Dusty on December 27, 2011 at 10:05 PM

Summary of some commenters’ views:

The Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich campaigns are actually mind-controlled by Mitt Romney. And their respective declines into comical incompetence are just part of Mitt’s script to steal Virginia’s delegates.

Okey-dokey.

BocaJuniors on December 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM

OT:

Shannon Bream of FNC just tweeted about a “GOP candidate who will drop out tomorrow”.

She’s hosting Greta’s show tonight if you’d like to tune in for details.

Flora Duh on December 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM

So, is it the Mandarin Candidate, the non-vaccinated candidate, or the check-box candidate nobody gave a first look to?

It could also be Buddy Roemer, which would deeply sadden Jazz.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM

OT:

Shannon Bream of FNC just tweeted about a “GOP candidate who will drop out tomorrow”.

She’s hosting Greta’s show tonight if you’d like to tune in for details.

Flora Duh on December 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Gary Johnson drops out tomorrow and runs Libertarian.

Johnson has announced the Dec. 28 event on his Facebook page. Campaign spokesman Joe Hunter said only that it would be “a significant announcement.”

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Hey man, I was just having a little fun ;)

My point is, getting stuff printed double-sided is not a big deal nowadays. Any office print shop will do it for you, monochrome, for not a ton of money, if you can’t afford to drop a couple hundred bucks on a widely available range of printers.

Not abiding by a ‘double sided petition’ regulation is pretty F’ing lame.

TwoShortPlanks on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Exactly! This isn’t incompetance of Perry’s or Gingrich’s part, this is incompetance by VA GOP (and I’d call it foul-play, too).

Aslans Girl on December 27, 2011 at 9:49 PM

You’re pathetic.

Newt was out on a luxury cruise (likely with his campaign money) while he could have been doing this.

Grow up, stop acting like Obama trying to blame your candidates failure on everybody else.

If you can’t figure out how to get on a ballot, you’re not presidential material. Period.

1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Summary of some commenters’ views:

The Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich campaigns are actually mind-controlled by Mitt Romney. And their respective declines into comical incompetence are just part of Mitt’s script to steal Virginia’s delegates.

Okey-dokey.

BocaJuniors on December 27, 2011 at 10:06 PM

But….but…but…it’s impossible that a campaign could be incompetent, so it has to be a Romney conspiracy or something, I tell ya!111!!!1

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

I thought Johnson already returned to the mother ship.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Thanks. I thought he had already done that.

Flora Duh on December 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

I thought Johnson already returned to the mother ship.
Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I’m going to miss Jon Johnson.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:12 PM

But….but…but…it’s impossible that a campaign could be incompetent, so it has to be a Romney conspiracy or something, I tell ya!111!!!1

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Yah, whadd’ya mean Perry doesn’t have much support outside of Texas and Newt’s unconventional campaign isn’t the best gosh darn way to run a campaign evar!?!?! ROMNEY MIND CONTROL CONSPIRACY!!!!11

1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Nothing conservatives love more than politicians running over the rights and will of the people through the courts….

luckedout26 on December 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM

OT:

Shannon Bream of FNC just tweeted about a “GOP candidate who will drop out tomorrow”.

She’s hosting Greta’s show tonight if you’d like to tune in for details.

Flora Duh on December 27, 2011 at 10:03 PM

It better not be Buddy, because the Hot Air Buddy Backers will be pissed.

RickB on December 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM

ballot access should not be curtailed. Any and everyone that wants to run should be able even if it is a write in option. now voting for people on the ballot that’s a different story….

Perry’s cache went up in my eyes here.

unseen on December 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM

I thought Johnson already returned to the mother ship.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:09 PM

I’m still out of the country and you’re asking me??? LOL

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Nothing conservatives love more than politicians running over the rights and will of the people through the courts….

luckedout26 on December 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Or changing the rules in the middle of a contest.

RickB on December 27, 2011 at 10:15 PM

It better not be Buddy, because the Hot Air Buddy Backers will be pissed.

RickB on December 27, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Buddy Gear, get your Buddy Gear here…Tastes like chicken

Gohawgs on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Still, there are relatively few people who do have duplexing printers, but that’s more due to the lack of choices in the market.

[Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 9:59 PM]

But, Steve, all you need to do if you have a standard printer and want 10 double-sided petitions is print page 1 of the pdf ten times, stick the paper back in upside down (and, IIRC, turned around) and print page 2 ten times.

Seriously, this double-sided requirement is simple to comply with.

Dusty on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

But….but…but…it’s impossible that a campaign could be incompetent, so it has to be a Romney conspiracy or something, I tell ya!111!!!1
whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:08 PM

ROMNEY MIND CONTROL CONSPIRACY!!!!11
1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Danged if he doesn’t control everything!1111!!! It’s just like when Germany invaded Poland. Blitzkrieg!1!!!1!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Does anybody still think this guy is a liberal? Obviously he is a troll…and not a very clever one either.

Jailbreak on December 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Irony of ironies.

Will you recognize a troll if you saw one? Hint: Look into the mirror.

TheRightMan on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

No, but is it as simple as knowing you can go to Staples or any print shop with the two separate pages and ask for 20 copies of it double sided and then pay them, what, $2?

Dusty on December 27, 2011 at 10:05 PM

No, it’s simpler than that. You print page one. You turn the page upside down and put it back in the printer. You print page two. Done. At no charge. I can’t believe people here are actually attempting that the requirement to have a double-sided petition is to tough a burden.

Shump on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Nothing conservatives love more than politicians running over the rights and will of the people through the courts….

luckedout26 on December 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM

“The will of the people” is to have only two choices in a GOP primary, between a liberal and a nut? Really?

capitalist piglet on December 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM

I keep thinking I can vote for Romney if it comes to it, but this sort of thing just makes me think his people are cut throats.

capitalist piglet on December 27, 2011 at 10:19 PM

Seriously, this double-sided requirement is simple to comply with.
Dusty on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

I don;t think it’s a whole lot to expect that any serious candidate would have a pre-1980 printer in their local state office.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:19 PM

I predicted last Friday that Perry would be suing the RPV.

My second prediction was that the RPV will back down and seek to settle this out of court. Gingrich and Perry will be on the ballot.

The RPV has been shamed and are looking for a face-saving way out of the mess they created.

TheRightMan on December 27, 2011 at 10:20 PM

As Perry memorably said during the debates: “Oooops.”

profitsbeard on December 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Irony of ironies.

Will you recognize a troll if you saw one? Hint: Look into the mirror.

TheRightMan on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Actually he’s made plenty of decent and eloquent arguments on the board while many around here continue to pass around tinfoil hats and equate campaign failures to World War 2.

I can’t wait till Newt compares his 3rd place finish in Iowa as the collapse of WTC 7.

1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM

As Perry memorably said during the debates: “Oooops.”
profitsbeard on December 27, 2011 at 10:21 PM

This anti-state’s right lawsuit extends the “oops” streak.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:24 PM

“The will of the people” is to have only two choices in a GOP primary, between a liberal and a nut? Really?

capitalist piglet on December 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM

The will of the people is to self-determine by what standards they conduct themselves. If Virginia Republicans wants to have 10k signatures to be in a primary then that is their will and their right.

I actually liked Perry quite a bit. He’s not my horse in this race, but by going through the courts like this, he’s lost a measure of my respect for him.

If Fred Thompson’s anemic/lazy campaign could get him on the Virginia ballot in 2008, then anyone can. Perry f’d this up and now he’s looking for a mulligan.

luckedout26 on December 27, 2011 at 10:26 PM

It’s not The Mandarin Candidate that’s departing the race – even though Jon Huntsman is on “On the Record”, he’s not live, and he’s hoping for a New Hampshire miracle.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:26 PM

So many conspiracies working against so many people it’s like SEC football in here!

alchemist19 on December 27, 2011 at 10:28 PM

I can’t wait till NewtRomney compares his 3rd place finish in Iowa as the collapse of WTC 7.

1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 10:22 PM

FIFY

Sekhmet on December 27, 2011 at 10:29 PM

So much for state rights.

haner on December 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

This has an impact on the whole nation, not just the state of Virginia. We’re nomination a national candidate.

NbyNW on December 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM

They will back down within the next 78 hours.

Not 72, 78.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:36 PM

I’m going to hold you to that prediction.

NbyNW on December 27, 2011 at 10:32 PM

[Shump on December 27, 2011 at 10:16 PM]

LOL, sounds like you, too, have had occasion to need to double-side off a single-sided printer. It was somewhat of a time consuming pain for me back in the 90′s when I needed to do specs like that, but it’s not hard to do for such a simple thing as one two-sided document.

Dusty on December 27, 2011 at 10:32 PM

No, they can’t. All you’ll get is links to misc. conspiracy theories. Absolutely no links to official state records or the VA Rep party. It’s a paranoid fantasy.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:04 PM

Considering that one of the only two that qualified on the Virginia ballot is a 9/11 Truther with supporters more insane than the man himself, the irony here is astounding.

Myron Falwell on December 27, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Equal protection

Equal protection for what? Invalid signatures and valid signatures? Incompetent candidates and competent candidates? Isn’t Perry too white to be demanding affirmative action? Shouldn’t he be at least 1/16 black like Eric Holder?

VorDaj on December 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Hey, Romney Snarkcylons:

It must be amazing, the BS detector that does not go off when a state excludes all but two candidates from the primary ballot—but what do you care, as long as your wuvvy is one of them?

Y’all would be the first in line bizitching if Romney were excluded from XYZ state’s ballot because of some wackazz rule change in submitting petitions, because naturally, anything that excludes your Womney is unfair dirty pool by the state’s GOP, but if it excludes anyone else, why it’s the campaign’s incompetence, right?

Sekhmet on December 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM

And the “big announcement” is that Gary Johnson is returning to the mother ship.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Perry needs to hire the same layers that Al Gore did in 2000. Or has he already done that?

VorDaj on December 27, 2011 at 10:35 PM

This has an impact on the whole nation, not just the state of Virginia. We’re nomination a national candidate.

NbyNW on December 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Yeah, but through STATE primaries. If we wanted a one-size fits all system, then we would implement. It’s not for the courts to legislate from the bench.

luckedout26 on December 27, 2011 at 10:36 PM

layers lawyers.

No, make that liars.

VorDaj on December 27, 2011 at 10:36 PM

You’re a troll. Your “candidates” weren’t smart enough to figure out how to get on the ballot. They’re obviously not capable of running an entire country. Go cry about it.

1punchWill on December 27, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Looks like Perry/Gingrich supporters are not the ones doing the crying on this thread.

NbyNW on December 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM

And by the way, have any of you ever had to set up duplex on a printer over a secure network whose users think Packard Bells are quality PCs? That is why God made rum.

Sekhmet on December 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Perry was for State’s Rights before he was against it, or something…

Fletch54 on December 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM

Perry needs to hire the same layers that Al Gore did in 2000. Or has he already done that?

VorDaj on December 27, 2011 at 10:35 PM

Gingrich snapped them up first.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM

No, it’s the battle to enfranchise Virginia Republicans with their choice of candidates OTHER than a liberal Democrat from MA or crazy man, Ron Paul. We should be able to write-in the candidate of our choosing.

Punchenko on December 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Oooh, voters are being disenfranchised…because a couple of GOP candidates are either lazy or have incompetent staffs. Perry’s suing a state because he doesn’t like how they run their own elections; and his supporters are spewing democrat talking points. Meanwhile, President Zero is on a $4 million taxpayer funded vacation, played his 90th round of golf today, needs another $1.2 trillion increase in the debt ceiling, and his popularity is climbing in the polls. But by all means, let’s all climb into the closet with our tinfoil hats on and talk about how Romney is stealing the VA primary votes some more. Let’s get a goddamn federal judge to just tell Virginia how in the hell it is going to run its own elections. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Swell.

Rational Thought on December 27, 2011 at 10:38 PM

So much for state rights.
haner on December 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

This has an impact on the whole nation, not just the state of Virginia.
NbyNW on December 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM

Eh, when your campaign is reduced to a dependence on attacking States via the Federal court system to force yourself on voters, that’s never a good sign.

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 10:39 PM

I predicted last Friday that Perry would be suing the RPV.

My second prediction was that the RPV will back down and seek to settle this out of court. Gingrich and Perry will be on the ballot.

The RPV has been shamed and are looking for a face-saving way out of the mess they created.

TheRightMan on December 27, 2011 at 10:20 PM

That could be possible. But even if the RPV did, the real question is, would Rick and/or Newt even be able to recover from such an inconceivable Oops?

Unless either one of them becomes the standard-bearer Not Romney again… I don’t think either one of them can.

This is the type of publicity you DON’T need. IMO.

Myron Falwell on December 27, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Thanks Steve.

Flora Duh on December 27, 2011 at 10:39 PM

He’s arguing that Virginia’s requirement that petition circulators all be residents of the state who are either registered to vote or eligible to be registered imposes a too-heavy burden on his right to engage in political speech and therefore violates the First Amendment.

So what’s he complaining about now? That illegal aliens from Mexico were denied jobs as petition circulators?

VorDaj on December 27, 2011 at 10:41 PM

Under the rules VA had prior to November, the petitions both Gingrich and Perry submitted would have been adequate. All of a sudden, 5000 plus signatures from each campaign were excluded, likely due to a rule change that dated from Novemebr—but as long as Womney-boo-boo is not affected, who cares, right?

Sekhmet on December 27, 2011 at 10:41 PM

And the “big announcement” is that Gary Johnson is returning to the mother ship.

Steve Eggleston on December 27, 2011 at 10:34 PM

Cough, cough..

JPeterman on December 27, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Perry and Gingrich in a contest to see which one can double down on stupid the most times.

VorDaj on December 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM

And people trying to pin thier candidates’ incompetence on Romney are an embarrassment. Like he passed the election law. Romney doesn’t have the time or money to influence election law. He’s being badmouthed for being competent and responsible.

cd98 on December 27, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Romney did have an unfair advantage that none of the other candidates had. Bill Bolling is the lieutenant governor of Virginia, and his campaign chair.

Bill Bolling’s endorsement of the former Massachusetts Governor put Romney at significant advantage. Bolling, who plans to run for Governor in 2013, serves as the campaign’s state chair and has lent the Romney campaign use of his campaign organization structure.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential

NbyNW on December 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Shannon Bream broke my heart… Gary Johnson? Really?

timbok on December 27, 2011 at 10:43 PM

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