Iran: We’ll stop the flow of Gulf oil if sanctions are imposed

posted at 8:15 pm on December 27, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Iran today threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz if the United Nations imposes sanctions on Iranian oil as a response to Iran’s sketchy uranium enrichment program, according to a report from Reuters.

Iran has defiantly expanded nuclear activity despite four rounds of U.N. sanctions meted out since 2006 over its refusal to suspend sensitive uranium enrichment and open up to U.N. nuclear inspectors and investigators.

Many diplomats and analysts believe only sanctions targeting Iran’s lifeblood oil sector might be painful enough to make it change course, but Russia and China - big trade partners of Tehran – have blocked such a move at the United Nations.

Iran’s warning on Tuesday came three weeks after EU foreign ministers decided to tighten sanctions over the U.N. watchdog report and laid out plans for a possible embargo of oil from the world’s No. 5 crude exporter.

“If they (the West) impose sanctions on Iran’s oil exports, then even one drop of oil cannot flow from the Strait of Hormuz,” the official Iranian news agency IRNA quoted Iran’s First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi as saying.

State Department officials suspect the threat could be an empty one — closing the Strait would, after all, hurt Iran almost as much or more as it would hurt importers of Iranian oil — but industry experts are divided about whether Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters would be able to supply the demand gap.

Meantime, the threat — empty or not — underscores the persistent need for the United States to assume energy independence. As a reminder, energy independence has become less a question of capability than of policy. According to a report from the Institute for Energy Research, the United States has 1.4 trillion barrels of recoverable reserves of oil — or more than the entire world has used in 150 years. That’s enough to fuel the United States for the next 250 years. Natural gas and coal resources are in even greater abundance. Energy independence could really and truly be as easy as 1-2-3. A sensible policy would (1) unlock more federal lands, (2) develop shale resources and (3) eliminate excessive regulation. But energy independence is not only a clear-cut proposition, it’s also a one-two punch: It’s a positive from a foreign policy perspective and it’s a positive from an employment perspective. According to the same IER report, taking basic steps toward energy self-sufficiency could create up to 1 million jobs. It really does seem like a no-brainer to me.


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canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

I like the flow of molted glass.

Electrongod on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

It is a no-brainer for Obama as well: He does not want either of what you call positives.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

RuhRoh….

ManWithNoParty on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

They don’t have the ability to close it and keep it closed.

novaculus on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Someone open up a solar panel plant, stat.

BKeyser on December 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM

Tina knows

(1) unlock more federal lands, (2) develop shale resources and (3) eliminate excessive regulation.

hammer meet nail

RAGIN CAJUN on December 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM

In a sane world this would be an impotent threat because we would be accessing our own energy resources, but in an upside down world like the one we are living in Iran’s threat isn’t so easily dismissed. Mark Steyn is correct to say the west is in self-induced decline. A disease that has us slouching towards mediocrity. Sickening.

Spirit Crusher on December 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

call their bluff

thedevilinside on December 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM

DinnerJacket would be on the receiving end of regime change…

Gohawgs on December 27, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Iran’s sketchy uranium enrichment program,

Who cares? Let’s bomb them already!

Notorious GOP on December 27, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Just drop one nuke on that piece of land that comes to a point. It crumbles into the sea, problem solved. Wide open waterway.

msupertas on December 27, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters are praying Iran is stupid enough to try closing the Strait of Hormuz, since the result would be a massive spike in the price of oil, come to think of it, Obummer is probably praying that Iran tries it as well, for exactly the same reason as Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters.

SWalker on December 27, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Someone open up a solar panel plant, stat.

BKeyser on December 27, 2011 at 8:21 PM

reopen solyandra?

nathor on December 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

DinnerJacket would be on the receiving end of regime change…
Gohawgs on December 27, 2011 at 8:24 PM

If only we had a president who would support it and lend even just moral support to an uprising.
Iranian Winter, baby!

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 8:28 PM

call the bluff!

nathor on December 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM

OPLAN 1019 Arabian Gauntlet
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On 06 January 2008 three US Navy vessels took evasive actions after five Iranian boats buzzed the ships transiting the Strait of Hormuz into the Persian Gulf. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman called the Iranian provocation “a serious incident.” The fast Iranian boats approached at “distances and speed that showed reckless, dangerous and potentially hostile intent,” he said. The incident lasted about 15 to 20 minutes. The Navy ships were going into the Persian Gulf when the Iranian boats confronted them. “Small, Iranian fast boats made some aggressive maneuvers against our vessels and indicated some hostile intent,” Whitman said. “This required our vessels to issue warnings and conduct some evasive maneuvers. The U.S. Navy vessels were prepared to take appropriate actions, but there was no engagement of the vessels.” The ships were the USS Port Royal (CG 73), USS Hopper (DDG 70) and USS Ingraham (FFG 61). U.S. warships will take all the precautions needed to safely transit the open waters of the straits, the Pentagon spokesman said.

Iranian officials called the buzzing by five Revolutionary Guard speedboats of three U.S. Navy ships “normal,” but American officials insisted the behavior was reckless and needlessly provocative. Iranian senior Revolutionary Guards commander Ali Reza Tangsiri told the Mehr news agency that Iran has the right to ask any ships to identify themselves upon entering or leaving the Persian Gulf. “It is a basic responsibility of patrolling units of the Revolutionary Guards to take necessary interception measures toward any vessels entering into the waters of the Persian Gulf,” Tangsiri said.

The San Diego element of the Tarawa Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) departed 05 November 2007 for a six-month deployment to the U.S. 5th and 7th Fleet areas of operations. Units from San Diego include Amphibious Squadron 1, USS Tarawa (LHA 1), USS Cleveland (LPD 7), USS Germantown (LSD 42), 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit and elements of Naval Beach Group 1. USS Port Royal (CG 73), USS Hopper (DDG 70) and USS Ingraham (FFG 61) joined the Tarawa ESG in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

The Strait Of Hormuz [SOH, much less commmonly termed Straits of Hormuz] is the world’s second busiest international strait. The key to the Central Command area is to maintain uninterrupted access to energy resources. The Persian Gulf region contains roughly 68% of the world’s known oil and natural gas reserves. Nearly 25% of the world’s oil supply flows through the Strait of Hormuz on a daily basis. Over 75% of Japan’s oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz. Oil flows through the Strait of Hormuz — daily oil flow of 16.5-17 million barrels (2006E) — is roughly two-fifths of all seaborne traded oil. The Energy Information Administration projects that oil exports through the Strait of Hormuz will double to 30-34 million barrels per day by 2020, suggesting that ensuring the free flow of oil through the Strait will continue to be an important mission.

The Strait of Hormuz, a narrow waterway separating the Arabian Gulf from the Gulf of Oman and the North Arabian Sea, is only about 40 miles wide, and is 34 miles wide at its narrowest point. By far the world’s most important oil chokepoint, the Strait consists of 2-mile wide channels for inbound and outbound tanker traffic, as well as a 2-mile wide buffer zone.
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/arabian-gauntlet.html

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM

This post makes the common mistake of equating energy independence with insulation from world oil price fluctuations. Even if we make all the right moves domestically, if Iran decides to try to close the Straits of Hormuz the price of oil will necessarily skyrocket. Which will do almost as much damage here as if the actual supply of oil to the U.S. had been disrupted.

The only possible solution is to retain our ability to prevent supply disruptions worldwide, pre-emptively and decisively. Whether Canadian shale oil comes here or goes to Pacific ports to be shipped to China is irrelevant to pricing on the international commodity market, although as a backup in a worst-case situation, having it flow south would be better. The job implications are also not insignificant.

On a related point, however, this challenge underscores, the insanity of Ron Paul’s foreign policy, which would leave us totally vulnerable to Iran’s oil flow blackmail.

HTL on December 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Let them try – and if they do, sink everything they put in the water and flatten every military base their forces come from. we do have the capability for that. If they fire any shots at the Arab countries where we have our bases, the rest of the Arab world will turn against them as well.

dentarthurdent on December 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Oops,linky snafu,

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/arabian-gauntlet.htm

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Tina=hammer of truth.

will actually opine, saliant point, more than what is quoted………….

a new trend

thank you for shopping

RAGIN CAJUN on December 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM

And who will blink first? Skippy’s eyes will flutter like a cheap whore in a two bit saloon.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

These boneheads think we don’t have the stomach for more. Tell me we aren’t “nation-building” and I’ll load the already-packed deployment boxes with a chuckle. Tax-free, belt-fed and don’t give a…

M240H on December 27, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Meanwhile…………………………..

@CNBC tweeted:
Crude Oil Settles Above $100/Barrel for First Time in 2 Weeks At $101.34/Barrel
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5 hrs.ago

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM

As long as we never send young Americans to die in that country I don’t care what we do to them.

rndmusrnm on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Let them close the Strait, we have awesome green energy.

vcferlita on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Meanwhile…………………………..

@CNBC tweeted:
Crude Oil Settles Above $100/Barrel for First Time in 2 Weeks At $101.34/Barrel

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM

I betcha it tops $115 this week.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM

The Iranians are calling the weak americans bluff. They read the newspapers as well. $1.2 trillion to be added to the crushing debt ceiling. America is no position to carry out a campaign against Aruba, never mind Iran.

Pitchforker on December 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM

same threat theyve been making since the 80s.

/yawn

kaltes on December 27, 2011 at 8:37 PM

And the proper response should be: “We’ll sink your navy if you do.”

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM

I don’t think it would take more than a few hours to send their pissant navy to the bottom of the sea. We could also blockade their access to refined gasoline which would throw them into societal collapse within days.

echosyst on December 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM

same threat theyve been making since the 80s.

/yawn

kaltes on December 27, 2011 at 8:37 PM

But that was the U.S. in the glory days. The Iranians can laugh at us now. We’re closing in on 20 trillion in debt. Unemployment is skyhigh. The citizens are generally sick on anything of to do with the Middle East the polls recently show.

Pitchforker on December 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM

And if we had a pipeline hooking up the Houston refineries to the oil sands in Canada, would we give two hoots in hell?

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

And who will blink first? Skippy’s eyes will flutter like a cheap whore in a two bit saloon.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Yeah, you’re right.

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

“A good man always knows him limitations…”

ManWithNoName on December 27, 2011 at 8:41 PM

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Don’t you know that pipeline will create American jobs; and there’s no freaking way Barry Soetoro wants to create American jobs.

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM

And if we had a pipeline hooking up the Houston refineries to the oil sands in Canada, would we give two hoots in hell?

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Of course not. But that’s deviating from the plan set for the “LAST global superpower.” :)

Pitchforker on December 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM

They are clearly bluffing as they know if they even tried it, it would take us approximately 2 days to destroy their so-called Navy and sink any and all their ships involved and detonate their mines. Would King Putt order it? I think so, only because it’s election year and he can’t withstand $10 a gallon gas on top of everything else.

TXUS on December 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Jug Ears…they want to pick a fight!
I’m going golfing!

KOOLAID2 on December 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM

The most tragic error of Bush 43′s presidency was not in taking out the mullahs in 2003 while he had Iran surrounded.

Iran had declared war on the U.S., by causing something like 50 percent of U.S. casualties in Iraq.

That’s an indisputable casus belli.

As soon as Iran started killing our men and women, Bush should have read them the riot act, and then finally given them what they’ve been asking for since 1979.

Instead, Bush was undercut by domestic traitors in the MSM and the Democrat Party.

The moment was lost. At the high tide in 2003, Iran could have been dealt with.

Instead, like his father before him, he backed off at a key moment, and left a ticking foreign-policy time bomb which we will sorely regret. At some point, after Iran has unleashed a nuclear weapon on Israel or us, we are going to have to go over there, twice as strong as in Iraq, and lose a lot of blood and treasure, to destroy the mullahcracy. Our only allies could be the oppressed youth. And 0bama had that chance in 2009, but rejected the moment given him.

cane_loader on December 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM

The most tragic error of Bush 43′s presidency was not in in not taking out the mullahs in 2003 while he had Iran surrounded.

FIFM

cane_loader on December 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Block the Straits of Hormuz? Not for long, assuming we still have a navy under the Democrats.

NNtrancer on December 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Let them close the Strait, we have awesome green energy.

vcferlita on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM

*snicker*

BigWyo on December 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Don’t you know that pipeline will create American jobs; and there’s no freaking way Barry Soetoro wants to create American jobs.

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM

How much you wanna bet he 0bama it between April and June?

ManWithNoName on December 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Would King Putt order it? I think so, only because it’s election year and he can’t withstand $10 a gallon gas on top of everything else.

TXUS on December 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Therein lies the problem.

BigWyo on December 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Oh stop it. They’re not going to shut down anything.

John the Libertarian on December 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM

And if we had a pipeline hooking up the Houston refineries to the oil sands in Canada, would we give two hoots in hell?

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Of course not. But that’s deviating from the plan set for the “LAST global superpower.” :)

Pitchforker on December 27, 2011 at 8:43 PM

I sell oil, I love you guys….

RAGIN CAJUN on December 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Purpose of Path Lisa Jackson, head of EPA. Power Shift “Safe place to live”.

Van Jones Power Shift I’m Baaaaaack!

Power Shift.

LOL.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

It really does seem like a no-brainer to me.

that’s a problem for environmental wackos and liberals though(i guess they are one in the same)..they don’t use their brains in all of this..they are guided by gaia and will stop at nothing to protect it

sadsushi on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I don’t think it would take more than a few hours to send their pissant navy to the bottom of the sea. We could also blockade their access to refined gasoline which would throw them into societal collapse within days.
echosyst on December 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM

But what are the chances of that with “Welcome Back, Carter” in the Oval Office?

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

In other news:
White House: We’ll stop the flow of Keystone oil if elections don’t go my way.

Electrongod on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

How much you wanna bet he 0bama it between April and June?

ManWithNoName on December 27, 2011 at 8:47 PM

A Trillion Obama Dollars….which is actually about $2.95.

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:54 PM

They don’t have the ability to close it and keep it closed.

novaculus on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

We’ve planned this contingency since the 70′s, when we didn’t even have Fleet or Troops based in the area.

Bound to piss of China is they try it…and yeah, it won’t last long.

Who is John Galt on December 27, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Don’t you know that pipeline will create American jobs; and there’s no freaking way Barry Soetoro wants to create American jobs.

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:42 PM

You got that right.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:56 PM

In other news:
White House: We’ll stop the flow of Keystone oil if elections don’t go my way.

Electrongod on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I think the power of Chicago in DC is waning, if not totally defeated.

Question: Where in the World is Bill Daley?

Heh

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 8:57 PM

Whatever you do, don’t let America be a self-sufficient
oil producer.

That would create jobs, bring down the cost of gas, free us from
the Middle East quagmire…….etc, etc,

What a terrible concept !

/

amadan on December 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM

It is a no-brainer for Obama as well: He does not want either of what you call positives.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Well, if it is a “no-brainer”, then we have the right president for the job!

Old Country Boy on December 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM

We should start calling it the Arabian Gulf. That’ll show ‘em.

besser tot als rot on December 27, 2011 at 8:58 PM

What is it that you mensa members do not understand, they can shut it off….

Just to clarify, I make more money if they do.

Please lord let them shut it off….

Then you psuedo intellectual pundits will understand, and I….will get rich….

mock and taunt

RAGIN CAJUN on December 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Iran: We’ll stop the flow of Gulf oil if sanctions are imposed

We’ll stop the flow of gas, and see who blinks first.

smellthecoffee on December 27, 2011 at 8:59 PM

I sell oil, I love you guys….
RAGIN CAJUN on December 27, 2011 at 8:48 PM

I don’t sell it, but I am in the business, and that oil from the oil sands would make me a fortune.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 9:00 PM

I don’t think it would take more than a few hours to send their pissant navy to the bottom of the sea. We could also blockade their access to refined gasoline which would throw them into societal collapse within days.
echosyst on December 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM
But what are the chances of that with “Welcome Back, Carter” in the Oval Office?

whatcat on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Mister Underoo is not in charge. Valerie is in charge. And has been since day one.

Honestly, that is the only explanation I can come up with. Blame it on Valerie. There’s just nobody left. To blame.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:00 PM

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM
I betcha it tops $115 this week.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Johnny Alamo:Could be,I’ll keep an eye out for it!!

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM

don’t sell it, but I am in the business, and that oil from the oil sands would make me a fortune.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 9:00 PM

roger that

RAGIN CAJUN on December 27, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Mark Steyn subbing for Hannity tonight. Starts off with the Newt commercial about Washington.

FLconservative on December 27, 2011 at 9:03 PM

It depends what they can control via their collaborators in Egpyt, Syria and Turkey where pipelines also deliver crude to the West from Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Call their bluff, they will really go broke and bonkers.

Kermit on December 27, 2011 at 9:03 PM

Power Shift.

LOL.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Key West Reader:I hope Christmas was good to you:)

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Push, push, push. Is there any doubt but that they truly wish to be attacked?

GFW on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

and that oil from the oil sands would make me a fortune.

Johnny Alamo on December 27, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Me too..
Except I make money whether the pipeline heads South or West to China.

Electrongod on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

FLconservative on December 27, 2011 at 9:03 PM

Where are you from?

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

I don’t think it would take more than a few hours to send their pissant navy to the bottom of the sea. We could also blockade their access to refined gasoline which would throw them into societal collapse within days.

[echosyst on December 27, 2011 at 8:39 PM]

Yeah, pretty much. I think that is what Tina meant when she referred to experts saying it might hurt Iran more than Iran’s oil importers, though that wasn’t clear.

They are clearly bluffing as they know if they even tried it, it would take us approximately 2 days to destroy their so-called Navy and sink any and all their ships involved and detonate their mines. Would King Putt order it? I think so, only because it’s election year and he can’t withstand $10 a gallon gas on top of everything else.

TXUS on December 27, 2011 at 8:44 PM

It would have to go further than that, I think. I suppose their air force would need to be annihilated. And what’s the scoop on surface to surface missiles? Is that a viable threat, too? If so, some islands would need to be occupied and I don’t have the faintest idea what we’d do at the straight proper where it’s only about 25 miles wide.

Then we’d need to be certain the associates in Somalia don’t try to impose it, too.

The big problem is not so much that they close it down, but that they present a sufficiently viable threat of a long enough duration that use of it for shipping is forced to stop anyway. And that, I think, could last for a time long past societal collapse.

Dusty on December 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM

Key West Reader:I hope Christmas was good to you:)

canopfor on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

You know C, 2011 was one of the most difficult years of our lives. But Christmas 2011 was the happiest we’ve ever been. I hope you are doing well, my friend.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Hi key west

I just moved from the people’s republic of NY to Sarasota. I am a big fan of yours. I have been reading HA for a few years.

FLconservative on December 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

Let them close the Strait, we have awesome green energy.

vcferlita on December 27, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Now this is some real Green Power

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Obama needs the price of oil to skyrocket which he thinks will aid his green agenda. He will persue policies which will insure the cost of petroleum will increase. If that means doing things which will cause Iran to try to close the Straits, that will be done. Obama has socialist aims and is not one to be diverted by facts on the ground. He must be replaced in November 2012.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on December 27, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Push, push, push. Is there any doubt but that they truly wish to be attacked?

GFW on December 27, 2011 at 9:04 PM

They should be careful what they wish for.

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Oh, so we’re not supposed to stop Iran from building nukes because they will stop the flow of oil in the Strait of Hormuz. But they’re going to stop it anyway if there are sanctions. Soon, they’ll be threatening to stop it if the Padres don’t win the next World Series.

Gosh, I’m surprised “Mr. Pedantic” Theodore hasn’t shed his intellectual effluent on this thread yet.

Teddy are you there? What now Teddy?

Mr Galt on December 27, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Hi key west

I just moved from the people’s republic of NY to Sarasota. I am a big fan of yours. I have been reading HA for a few years.

FLconservative on December 27, 2011 at 9:09 PM

I love SRQ. Go there all the time. I’m originally from Queens. Have you done the beaches yet? So beautiful… the white sands, egrets, spoonbills. I like Bradenton as well… So nice to meet you.

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM

This is bluster. Iran is big on that. Remember when they dug mass graves for US soldiers? Of course, they hadn’t killed any and the US hadn’t invaded, and quiet clearly it could be done quickly so there was no need to do it.

But… they did it anyway as their means of “communicating.” Lots of bluster. That said, the iranians are extremely hostile and should not be taken lightly. It’s simply that many of their threats are toothless. The underlying hostility behind them is very real.

Really, if Iran cut off oil it would torpedo any support they have with anyone. No one is Iran’s friend because they like them. The islamic groups like them because they provide money and weapons. The various tin pot dictators like them because they either get access to weapons or oil. The more modern economies might work out arrangements based almost entirely on the oil. The US doesn’t import oil from Iran. Iran can only stop oil by refusing to sell it to their allies and thus forcing those allies to buy more on the open market which will inflate the price the US must pay. But that sort of third hand reprisal will do more damage to Iran and it’s arrangements then it will to the US. Beyond that, the US is very soon to get access to huge oil reserves making the issue of iran basically irrelevant at least as far as we’re concerned. The only powers likely to balk at the iranian threat are the French and the Chinese. They have arrangements and cutting off the oil would be inconvenient for them. That said, Iran has so mismanaged their diplomatic position that most countries that would like to sweep their misdeeds under the rug simply can’t find the space to do it.

War with Iran is very likely. However, the question is how long it can be delayed and how weak Iran can be made before that happens. Ideally, the central government of Iran should be in shambles before it’s considered. The iranians are too well organized and cohesive to consider as targets for a long time. And that doesn’t take into consideration the wear and tear on the US military after so many years of war in Iraq and Afgahnistan. We need to recover. Peace is our friend. We grow stronger in it. Dictatorships thrive in war and suffer in peace.

Karmashock on December 27, 2011 at 9:22 PM

We block their flow of gas, there’s a chance they detonate a nuke. I bet they have at least one squirreled away. Just because Ron Paul doesn’t think they have a nuke, doesn’t mean they haven’t bought one on the black market from North Korea or Pakistan or even Russia.

Bush 43 had his chance to solve this, but quailed before domestic opposition. Now, I think the only chance lies in Westernization of their huge young population, and containing them until this can happen.

“Mr. Ahmadinejad, TEAR DOWN THIS MOSQUE!”

cane_loader on December 27, 2011 at 9:24 PM

This is bluster. Iran is big on that.

Yeah, gosh you’re right. We can trust them – they’re a bunch of good guys, eh?

Everything is fine everybody! Go back to sleep.

Mr Galt on December 27, 2011 at 9:25 PM

I used to think that we would just swat this mosquito, but with Barry in the WH I’m kinda worried we won’t respond like we used to & should now. One has to take their fast attack boat strategy seriously, it is difficult to defend a Carrier Task Forse of mostly slow moving big boats againts a thousand explosive laden speed boats.

D-fusit on December 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Key West Reader on December 27, 2011 at 9:16 PM

So nice to meet you too it has been very intimidating trying to post interesting thoughts and tidbits i pick up compared to the stalwarts like you, Bishop and canopfor, and newer ones like floraduh

Where in Queens? I am from Longgggg Island. Long story short, I moved here after I lost my mother and my job (thank you Obaka) to be with my dad. He was by himself and after my relationship and job was ended, it seemed like it was meant to be. The beaches are lovely but it is an adjustment. For so many reasons. My mother was from college point and then bay side.

FLconservative on December 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Carrier Task Forse of mostly slow moving big boats againts a thousand explosive laden speed boats.

D-fusit on December 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Do you have any idea of how fast a nuke carrier moving at flank speed is going? PS. They’re not big boats they’re ships.

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

0bama might just invade, or nuke them.
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If he thinks that it might help bring the 12th Imam up out of the well. He and Ahmadinejad share that same dream.

LegendHasIt on December 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM

A Trillion Obama Dollars….which is actually about $2.95.

PalinLover on December 27, 2011 at 8:54 PM

I botched my response. What I meant to say was: “How much do you wanna bet that Obama OK’s Keystone between April and June?”

ManWithNoName on December 27, 2011 at 9:37 PM

He and Ahmadinejad share that same dream.

LegendHasIt on December 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Yeah, he’s the Freddy Krueger of presidents. He has a dream that turns into a nightmare for everybody.

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I used to think that we would just swat this mosquito, but with Barry in the WH I’m kinda worried we won’t respond like we used to & should now. One has to take their fast attack boat strategy seriously, it is difficult to defend a Carrier Task Forse of mostly slow moving big boats againts a thousand explosive laden speed boats.

D-fusit on December 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM

I know what you mean…the guy does send mixed signals when it comes to such things (but you can bet they’re all politically motivated for his and his movement’s welfare-not necessarily for the welfare of the country…when the two meld, such as with the killing of Bin Laden, then great!)

On one hand doing nothing they (Barry, and Co.) would have to deem as being political suicide.

On the other hand, such a move would be a great platform for extolling the virtues of not only appeasement policies, but also for the Communists’ “green energy” initiatives.

Something else to think on is that Iran is no longer sandwiched between two large U.S. military presences since we pulled out of Iraq (and we’re seeing increasingly less cooperation from Pakistan regarding our efforts in Afghanistan) so they may indeed be more emboldened.

Probably in Iran’s best interest to wait until our military is cut down due to politics/money. Be even better if they could do this in conjunction with a Chinese move on Taiwan.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Meantime, the threat — empty or not — underscores the persistent need for the United States to assume energy independence.

The irony is, if we’d stop putting ourselves on a war footing with them there’d be little to no threat. Once again our interventionist foreign policy is a huge part of (not the only motivating factor) creating this problem. Remember how much Oil was BEFORE the Iraq war? Yeah, intervention is expensive.

We need a more conservative foreign policy.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

…..they could do this in conjunction with a Chinese move on Taiwan.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 27, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Geeze, way to make the nightmare even scarier. I think you are right. I just hope THEY aren’t that strategically thoughtful and coordinated.

That would screw us even if Zombie George S. Patton were President

LegendHasIt on December 27, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Carrier Task Forse of mostly slow moving big boats againts a thousand explosive laden speed boats.

D-fusit on December 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Do you have any idea of how fast a nuke carrier moving at flank speed is going? PS. They’re not big boats they’re ships.

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:34 PM

I know that the group and carrier are not faster than Mach 2.2 to 3.

SS-N-22 Sunburn (Raduga P-270 Moskit)? Imagine if Iran had nuclear capable versions someday. Nightmare.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

LegendHasIt on December 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM

I was just about to offer a similar thought. It could be as simple as that. Iran wants the caliphate and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal. I also beleive they have have support from Russia and china. Let’s also not forget jarrett’ s ties to Iran.

http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/the-ulsterman-report-valerie-jarrett-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/

Jarrett’s family history is rife with radical ties, including those of her father-in-law Vernon Jarrett, a supporter of such communist-American icons of the 1940s as Langston Hughes.  Vernon Jarrett was the strongest link to Chicago’s Hyde Park environment that would be of such great influence on Valerie Jarrett, and then through her, shape both Barack and Michelle Obama’s adult outlook upon American and its place in the world.  Again largely ignored by the media in 2008, Chicago’s Hyde Park was home to such radical figures as the socialist Arnold Wolf, an anti-Israel rabbi (yes, those do in fact exist) who had pushed for increased support for the terrorist PLO.  At around that same time Rabbi Wolf was also deeply involved with the Chicago Communist Party.  Mr. Wolf declared in a 2008 Chicago Sun Times interview of other Hyde Park elites’ excitement over the political potential of a young Barack Obama a decade earlier, declaring they believed to have found in Obama,  “A guy who could sell our product, and sell it with splendor!”

Read more: http://newsflavor.com/politics/us-politics/the-ulsterman-report-valerie-jarrett-and-the-muslim-brotherhood/#ixzz1hnGtQ1N2

FLconservative on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

150.00 oil coming to you soon! Of course we have an suppler just ready to get the ball rolling to provide the US with a good amount of oil. Of course, this will not happen because people would rather see the US living in the stone age. Yet, these very same people enjoy the lives that oil provides.

watertown on December 27, 2011 at 9:51 PM

I know that the group and carrier are not faster than Mach 2.2 to 3.

SS-N-22 Sunburn (Raduga P-270 Moskit)? Imagine if Iran had nuclear capable versions someday. Nightmare.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 27, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Of course they don’t go supersonic, I didn’t imply that they did. I was just making reference to the big and slow statement. They’re big but not slow as ships go. Matter of fact they’re right fast. You can imagine all kinds of things but reality is another matter and the reality is that our Navy has been facing threats like this for a long time. Saddam Hussein tried to corner the market on oil too. He had a really big scary army with lots of tanks. How’d that work out for him?

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

We need to grease the pumps of our oil derricks with the guts of environmentalists.

NoDonkey on December 27, 2011 at 10:00 PM

The irony is, if we’d stop putting ourselves on a war footing with them there’d be little to no threat. Once again our interventionist foreign policy is a huge part of (not the only motivating factor) creating this problem. Remember how much Oil was BEFORE the Iraq war? Yeah, intervention is expensive.

We need a more conservative foreign policy.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 27, 2011 at 9:43 PM

Maybe, but I’m not so sure that we can say that what other countries do or don’t do is necessarily directly tied into U.S. foreign policy…or lack thereof.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

Meantime, the threat — empty or not — underscores the persistent need for the United States to assume energy independence.

I’m more of the mind that we should exhaust foreign oil resources before opening up our own. That way, we extend the number of years that North America has oil.

unclesmrgol on December 27, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Of course they don’t go supersonic, I didn’t imply that they did. I was just making reference to the big and slow statement. They’re big but not slow as ships go. Matter of fact they’re right fast. You can imagine all kinds of things but reality is another matter and the reality is that our Navy has been facing threats like this for a long time. Saddam Hussein tried to corner the market on oil too. He had a really big scary army with lots of tanks. How’d that work out for him?

Oldnuke on December 27, 2011 at 9:55 PM

35 knots, if I remember correctly. And 35 knots is not too terribly comfortable in a skiff or whatever the Iranians were taunting the Navy ships in the Straits during the Bush administration.

But that really isn’t the point. If they truly wanted to attack the carrier group with small boats, they could take their chances with faster speedboats – although the term “Gattling gun” comes to mind.

But if they did get a missile off and it was successful in taking 1,500 odd Sailors and a couple billion in hardware to the bottom of the Gulf, we could turn the entirety of Iran into glass in a matter of minutes, never to be trod upon by human beings again.

If we so chose.

But I have ZERO confidence that the Commander-in-Chief would do what was in the best interest of our nation at a time of emergency.

In fact, I fully expect him to give aid and comfort to the enemy, all the while giving us that cute little middle finger thing that he does…

While golfing.

turfmann on December 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM

Maybe, but I’m not so sure that we can say that what other countries do or don’t do is necessarily directly tied into U.S. foreign policy…or lack thereof.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 27, 2011 at 10:07 PM

In this case, it is. Iranian saber rattling is happening because they think they’ve got a hole card with the Strait of Hormuz, to leverage against our attempts to contain their nuclear ambitions.

Personally, if I were Obama, I’d do everything Mr. Paul doesn’t want to do — I’d strengthen our alliance with Israel and sell them all the stealth technology they need to take out Iran. After all, Paul thought the Chinese should have stealth technology, so why not the Israelis?

unclesmrgol on December 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM

My last vacay day. Today I drove from Austin, where I live, to the coast of Texas – Olivia, TX – in Calhoun County. Not much going on in this particular (dying) community yet, but every picture I took from Keller Bay – which has produced oil for the last several years – shows pumping oil wells everywhere. Went to Cuerno, TX on the way back home – the fracking, drilling, whatever it is, has revitalized this DYING area. Houses are being built, companies are opening. There is money flowing into this community from small businesses.

This country has the resources to sustain itself. It makes me SICK at my stomach that EPA and Barry’s gang of thieves are doing everything they can to suppress it. I would give anything for the independents and US based oil companies to tell him tough sh!t, we’re doing it anyway. The growth, the results would be apparent immediately.

Until you see it with your own eyes – the growth and hopefulness – you won’t believe it. Just my 2 cents.

mimi1220 on December 27, 2011 at 10:17 PM

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