Noted historian claims failure to make VA ballot a lot like … Pearl Harbor
posted at 9:40 am on December 26, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
I’ve spent this morning trying to come up with a “Tora! Tora! Tora!” reference for this claim, and I just can’t quite make it:
Newt Gingrich’s campaign director said the candidate is viewing the setback in Virginia, in which he failed to collect enough signatures to qualify for the state’s primary, as an “unexpected setback” similar to the attack on Pearl Harbor.
“Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941,” campaign director Michael Krull wrote on the Gingrich Facebook page. “We have experienced an unexpected set-back, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action. Throughout the next months there will be ups and downs; there will be successes and failures; there will be easy victories and difficult days – but in the end we will stand victorious.”
As any historian of any consequence could attest, “Pearl Harbor” isn’t synonymous with “unexpected set-back.” It’s a deeply ingrained cultural reference for sneak attacks and shameful acts of aggression. Dieppe was an “unexpected setback.” Gallipoli was an “unexpected setback.” And both Dieppe and Gallipoli were self-inflicted unexpected setbacks, which makes them a lot more analogous to Gingrich’s flop in Virginia.
I’m curious as to who the Japanese Empire is in Team Gingrich’s Pearl Harbor scenario. It can’t be the Republican Party of Virginia, although there have been plenty of accusations that the VA GOP somehow gamed their process to shake out non-Establishment candidates. Maybe Rick Perry can make that claim, but Gingrich is about as establishment as they come in this primary. He’s certainly more establishment than Mitt Romney, who has not spent a great deal of time in Washington, at least not officially, while Gingrich has been a Beltway player for more than three decades. Gingrich also hails from Virginia, which one might think the VA GOP might favor, at least over a Northeastern Republican and a Texas crank like Ron Paul, both of whom qualified for the ballot. And when one looks at the VA GOP website, what have they been promoting for the last couple of weeks in the top spot on the page? A December 22nd fundraising breakfast with …. Newt Gingrich.
Tommy Christopher notes that this isn’t the first time Gingrich has used Pearl Harbor for some self-promotion:
The campaign’s statement combines the bombast of his campaign’s tendency for overwrought statements, and the candidate’s own ham-fisted history of trivializing exactly this moment in history.
Last year, Gingrich used the occasion of Pearl Harbor Day to plug his books on Twitter, when he chirpily tweeted, “The 69th anniversary of the japanese attack is a good time to remind folks of our novels pearl harbor and days of infamy newt.”
Gingrich later deleted the tweet without explanation.
No explanation needed, really. Gingrich missed the best analogy for this failure, which was the collapse of his own campaign earlier this year. If he wanted an example of an “unexpected set-back” followed by a revival, Gingrich simply could have used that … but I doubt he wanted to remind anyone of that particular set-back.
Update: I originally wrote “Northeastern liberal” to describe Romney, but that’s unfair. I think “moderate” would be a better descriptor, but I’ll just change it to Northeastern Republican, with which Virginia Republicans likely would have the same issues.









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Ed, newt is on the surface, maybe, a “beltway insider” hooked to the establishment. The truth is his talents are known and he knows people, but everyone hates him; he’s generally reviled. And nobody thinks he’s got presidential chops to win; come on, he’s already on the records as RUINING EVERYTHING once.
They don’t WANT him. That’s just a fact. I wanted Newt on the ballot and Perry on the ballot in my home state of VA to keep things in a state of undecided chaos. Ineffectual either of them, however, is better than effectual VAT-head who has declared he will nibble around the edges of Obamacare, but preserve WHAT HE CAN. “Winning” and “organized” is a bug not a feature.
Also “damned Yankee” works in Richmond.
SarahW on December 26, 2011 at 10:47 AM
Doesn’t Newt live in the Commonwealth of Virginia???
The fact that both the Gingrich and Perry campaigns failed to get on the ballot rules out both candidates for me. Don’t get me wrong…if either of them happen to win the nomination I’ll vote for either of them in a heartbeat but this is the primary season and we need to weed out incompetence. This is a major election with 4 more years of Obama riding on the line and we don’t need candidates who are going to mess up ballot procedures in the general election and hand a swing state to Obama.
SleightOfHand on December 26, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Yes, and Mitt would have defended Obama, Perry would have wondered what the big deal was about protecting pearls and Paul would explained that this is why we shouldn’t get in a foreign country’s business.
Vince on December 26, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Well, this qualifies as “zany”
tbrickert on December 26, 2011 at 10:49 AM
Talk about making mountain out of a mole hill… Gheesh…who cares
As conservatives, maybe we should talk about policy and not gossip
georgealbert on December 26, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Yep. This pretty much dismisses the conspiracy theory that this was “rigged” to take out Newt.
NickDeringer on December 26, 2011 at 10:51 AM
I only had a donut for breakfast this morning. Kind of like the WWII concentration camps.
Paul-Cincy on December 26, 2011 at 10:53 AM
ron paul: its OUR fault newt got into this mess. and perhaps the fed had something to do with it. if hewt had been on the gold standard he’d be fine right now.
t8stlikchkn on December 26, 2011 at 10:56 AM
I 2nd that emotion!
Just don’t know if can use my kid’s
civics education, as my justification
to hold my nose and and pull the lever
for His Mitness and the Rovian Rinosaurs!
“Let’s Roll”
On Watch on December 26, 2011 at 10:56 AM
If then buzz going around the internet is true, then this will probably go to the courts. If it’s true that VAGOP just changed their rules in November, right in the middle of the petition process, they may have to do something to make this right.
juliesa on December 26, 2011 at 10:58 AM
i’m feeling kinda 1980. wanted bush. not sure about ronnie. went with bush in primary, ronnie in general. and KNEW FOR SURE i wanted carter GONE. am i alone?
t8stlikchkn on December 26, 2011 at 10:59 AM
my mother in law came to visit us for christmas. kind of like the germans ‘visited’ france in 1940.
t8stlikchkn on December 26, 2011 at 11:00 AM
We are in for a Mitt landslide win in primaries and an Obama landslide win in general election , lets enjoy the next 4 years of further fundemantaly changing USA.
evergreenland on December 26, 2011 at 11:01 AM
How convenient for Romney! Saved his sorry RINO butt!
Sparky5253 on December 26, 2011 at 11:02 AM
Really! You wanted 41 in 1980? I cried when we got Ford in 1976, I just knew Carter would win when we didn’t. Although I must say that I thought Carter was such a nice man that things would be bookmarked until Reagan could be elected. When I’m wrong, I’m wrong. What a disaster Carter was and is. The Won is going to be just like him, we will be benefiting from his pearls of wisdom for the rest of my life.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 11:04 AM
The more this drags on the more it reminds people how disorganized and unprofessional their campaigns are.
I know some other sites are furiously trying to spin this against Virginia and Romney. I dont think they understand how foolish they look and how badly they are damaging their candidates.
Despite claims to the contrary, Romney polls well in Virginia.
After blasting the VA GOP for a week, and having their incompetence reported on the news nightly, do Newt and Perry even want to be on the ballot? Usually, attacking the state that you are trying to win is not the best tactic.
swamp_yankee on December 26, 2011 at 11:06 AM
My dogs woke me up at 5 am this morning.
It was like the Tet Offensive.
CorporatePiggy on December 26, 2011 at 11:07 AM
Newt’s campaign staff seems to be terribly disorganized. He won’t be on the ballot in Missouri because he filed late, almost missed Ohio and now failed to get 15,000 signatures in a state with over 5 million voters … a state he has resided in for more than 30 years.
But those Germans were real sneaky when they bombed Pearl Harbor, weren’t they Newt?
Perhaps Newt should pay less attention to his high maintenance wife and more to the campaign if he wants to be President.
bw222 on December 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM
The latest group of newbies is a little … different.
bw222 on December 26, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Its all over except the whining… Romney’s the nominee and a landslide winner over Obamster next November. No thanks at all to the cry-baby delusionals (new and old) here at Hot Air who try to claim with a straight face that Romney’s the washington insider and Newt Gingrich, of all people, is the courageous outsider.
AttilaTheHun on December 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM
No matter how bad Newt may seem, he’s far better than what we have. Were Newt to be elected, all 57 states could rejoice in having a President who will not apologize for America, will not bow down before foreign leaders, and would preserve American technological superiority even at the risk of annoying minor 3rd world states like Iran. Oh, and a President who actually has participated in producing a balanced budget rather than whipping out the plastic and spending like a 3 year old in Toys “R” U.S.
unclesmrgol on December 26, 2011 at 11:15 AM
LOL! I guess that will lead to interesting. I think Pres. Bush 41 is a wonderful man but he’s no Reagan.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Mittens may lose, but he has the best odds of beating Obama than any of the other candidates. Do you honestly think Gingrich can endear himself to suburban women and independents?
YYZ on December 26, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Way to rally the troops!!!! Gov. Romney isn’t a Washington insider but he sure isn’t an outsider.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 11:18 AM
: )
Eventually, I’ll stop giggling over that . . . . . .
. . . . . . BUT NOT YET! : )
listens2glenn on December 26, 2011 at 11:19 AM
I don’t think either Newt or Perry have attacked Virginia. If I am wrong, perhaps you could show me an example to the contrary.
Also, I would imagine that a large number of Virginia Republicans are angry at this situation, since now their choices are between a moderate and crazy person. I’m not a Newtist, but Newt was leading in the polls in VA. That means there are a lot of disappointed voters there in VA.
Since this happened right before Christmas, I am taking a wait and see attitude to see how this shakes out.
juliesa on December 26, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Proof again that Newt is nowhere near the Genius some people still think he is.
Del Dolemonte on December 26, 2011 at 11:27 AM
juliesea , thank you !
Happy to see someone else read about the Nov rule change !
Sheese , getting hard to make a point around here .
Lucano on December 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM
I wish there were troops to rally. I’ve been a Hot AIr guy for years, pre-dating the last election, and I’ve yet to see someone who has been anti-Romney ever change their mind. If anything, its been entertaining to watch folks go to great contortionist lengths in order to justify their anti-Romney biases. At this point I’m content to just sit back, read the posts, and enjoy the show–comfortable and at ease in my knowledge that Romney will not just win, but be a FANTASTIC president.
That being said, anyone in our lineup (include Newt) would be a welcome respite from the current “Occupy USA” ringleader. I’m just glad the front runner we have happens to be the best of the bunch. His skills are needed right now.
AttilaTheHun on December 26, 2011 at 11:30 AM
No. he didn’t file at all. Missouri’s convention delegates will be chosen by caucus and the primary is an expensive, ego massage for Robin Carnahan, the democrat Secretary of State, and doesn’t count for anything.
Vince on December 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM
The Won is going to be just like him, we will be benefiting from his pearls of wisdom for the rest of my life.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 11:04 AM
CodaUPB on December 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM
Thanks, Lucano.
This is kind of interesting:
http://www.nbc29.com/story/16390374/state-lawmakers-could-change-ballot-rules-to-let-gingrich-in-primary
Most here would agree that incumbent protection is one reason our political class is so worthless now. There’s a chance that the VA general assembly will change this rule before their primary takes place.
juliesa on December 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Amen to that. This is all getting to be a bit tiresome and, frankly, a bit predictable.
Snorkdoodle Whizbang on December 26, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Romney is loved by the DC insiders. You can’t have it both ways, either Gingrich is an insider or he’s hated by the insiders as stated over and over by the Mittbots here at Ha.
Gingrich was an insider but obviously didn’t play the game the way the insiders wanted him to.
Vince on December 26, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Newt disappointed you. Direct your confusion, ire, frustration, etc at him. To do otherwise is BS.
Capitalist Hog on December 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM
I went jogging this morning after only a cup of Earl Grey tea, ~sort of like the Bataan Death March, right Newt-er?
profitsbeard on December 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Ahhh, voices of reason.^^^
What the heck? The liberal mainstream media that got Obama elected has nothing on the republican establishment media that’s trying to get Romney elected. Indeed, shame on the blatant bias shown in both cases. The voters are noticing the similarity.
IndeCon on December 26, 2011 at 11:38 AM
dude, i was 18. come on man.
t8stlikchkn on December 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM
Funny thing is, I think Newt never believed he would merit serious consideration- he was there for Newt Inc.
Lo and behold, his style struck a nerve and I imagine he was left with the thought ” Now What”?
I’m guessing he’ll keep running for vanities sake but without any real professional organization added, culminating with a great speech in Tampa.
jjshaka on December 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM
So they would vote for Obama because…..? Would you? If an Independent or a woman would vote for Obama, they would vote for him no matter who is running. Unless you’re saying that Mitt’s liberal tendencies are appealing.
Vince on December 26, 2011 at 11:41 AM
The VA GOP has been accused of much by surrogates and supporters. They have been branded all kinds of unfair things for no good reason. Newt and Perry failed. So what it their state is tough. Conservatives all over the country are pushing for tougher voter ID laws.
For this they have been branded tools of a conspiracy, architects of a fix, corrupt, and worse. Is that really how you win supporters?
swamp_yankee on December 26, 2011 at 11:42 AM
That’s ridiculous. Supporters and bloggers are do not represent the campaigns or the candidates.
You are not gaining any fans for Romney.
juliesa on December 26, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Some things are, kinda, sorta, you know, like off-limits in terms of hyperbole.
ahem, newton
~(Ä~
Karl Magnus on December 26, 2011 at 11:45 AM
That does make a bit more sense, mean old governor of California not very sympathetic to college students’ complaints.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 11:50 AM
This and many, many other things will all come back to Newt in there general when the msm get ahold of it. All if the so self labeled true conservatives around her are ultimately naive to think that just because they’ve given Newt a pass on his massive and innumerable failures, that the rest of the country will also.
akaniku on December 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM
There seems to be some confusion on your part. I am not a Newt supporter.
juliesa on December 26, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Good question!
IndeCon on December 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM
It’s not that simple. They may not like Obama, but would stay home or vote for him if they liked the other candidate even less.
YYZ on December 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Cindy, I forever carry the shame of having voted for Carter when I was 18. I was just into the Army and having grown up in West Virginia, just knew that Democrats were for “us.” I never paid much attention to what a candidate said until Reagan. I didn’t know that much about him then, but knew Carter had to go. By 84 I knew why I wanted Reagan for another term.
America, I’m sorry about Carter. I hope some Obama voters feel the same about him.
TugboatPhil on December 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Newt done screwed up and he blames everyone else. I don’t know how anyone in Virginia (where I resided for a long time) takes this guy seriously when he 1) lives there and 2) does not take the primary seriously enough to field a campaign organization to expend the proper effort to get on the ballot.
At this point, he cannot compete at the national level and both his GOP opponents and the Democrats will use this blunder as a giant club to swing at him. Wait until the Iowa caucus is over.
Shame on you, Newt. You can stand at the podium and tell everyone that they are “simply wrong” or don’t have their facts straight, but they’re not buying your bloviating anymore. Put your pride and arrogance away and get to work. If you can’t, get out and go on a nice vacation to make your wife happy.
Philly on December 26, 2011 at 12:04 PM
ED
How about “Woulda, Coulda Shoulda”
-Jim Mora New Orleans Saints first winning Coach
EricPWJohnson on December 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Thank you DD! EXACTLY!
Being a good debater and a few good soundbites doesn’t a genius make!
When Newt was sitting on the couch with Pelosi or helping Kerry sell John John’s book….he sure wasn’t the “Smartest Guy in the Room!”
KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2011 at 12:06 PM
I’m probably one of those few people who didn’t have a heart in my youth. I’ve always been a conservative.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 12:09 PM
WRONG.
Allso it verges on silliness to call Newt beloved of the establishment. He is most decidedly not. I already posted about that so won’t spend more time elaborating again.
Yours truly,
A Virginian
SarahW on December 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Check this out from the Headlines here:
Did the VA GOP change the rules on primary ballot access in November 2011?
http://moelane.com/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/
I agree with John Fund that VA’s primary shenanigans belong in court.
IndeCon on December 26, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Well now this is interesting…. in 2008 both Perry and Gingrich would have been on the Va. ballot. Apparently under the 2008 rules, if you turned in over 10,000 signatures you would make the ballot without the signatures having to be verified. Under the new rules, if you turn in 15,000 or more signatures, your signatures wouldn’t even be verified… you just get put on the ballot. If you submit less than 15,000, your signatures would now be verified. Romney and Paul both submitted more than 15,000 signatures, thus they submitted 15,000 unverified signatures.
Perhaps this might be a real story, ya think Ed?
http://www.therightscoop.com/if-2008-would-gingrich-and-perry-be-on-virginia-ballot/
Snorkdoodle Whizbang on December 26, 2011 at 12:16 PM
Cute title, but for the rest of the article, SO WHAT?
bgibbs1000 on December 26, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Amateur. The guy is an eternal amateur
One self inflicted wound after another.
Same as ever.
The response? What we all need and want.
Transparency! Honesty! Responsibility! Accountability! The Buck stops here!
Err, no.
pearl harbor?
As the kids say,
wait… wut?
PaleoRider on December 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM
..Newt and his staff may have intended it this way metaphorically, however one of the manifestations of Pearl Harbor was the woeful lack of preparedness and tragic breakdown of warning systems by the American military.
Methinks old Newt[er] shoulda had someone manning the radar screens.
The War Planner on December 26, 2011 at 12:23 PM
Obama and the MSM gave Obama enormous credit for the great campaign that he and they said he ran. They all held it out as a great achievement and proof of his intelligence and of what a great job he would do as president. We know how that worked out.
GaltBlvnAtty on December 26, 2011 at 12:24 PM
Even in 2008 the candidates had no problem getting over 15,000 sigs according Erik Erikson at Redstate:
“Romney, Fred, Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Paul all filed over 15,000 signatures each – well above the recommended minimums.”
This incident was just a massive fail on the part of the Gingrich and Perry campaigns.
whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM
The Pearl Harbor analogy is too much of a stretch for me.
I can’t understand how shooting himself in one foot and sticking the other foot firmly in his mouth is somehow analogous to Pearl Harbor.
Plus, I see no Japanese aspect to it. It has a more Perryish quality – more akin to declaring “By Gawd, I’m gonna eliminate some federal departments and they are….uh….vacant stare.”
More in the area of incompetence than a sneak attack by Virginia Rules dive bombers.
Horace on December 26, 2011 at 12:25 PM
When the poll leader is not on the ballot, the people have not been well served. If the rule change in November was done to favor a particular candidate, the people have real cause to be angry. I would still like to know exactly what was wrong with the signatures that were disqualified. Did they disqualify entire sheets for one bad signature or a minor error as they used to do here in NY? Party endorsed candidates get protected from such errors because the veteran committeemen carry petitions for them here. Non-party candidates are on their own and can fall afoul of the nit picky rules. There is also history of sabotaging potential competitors by planting petitioners who deliberately get fraudulent signatures in order to prevent access to the ballot.
In any case, the Dems may find it worth voting to allow access to the ballot to candidates that poll less well against Obama than Romney in order to keep the primary going as long as possible before Republicans can unite and turn their guns against Obama instead of themselves. Thus it may be possible to get an 80% vote in the VA legislature for an emergency change. Paulites would surely want other candidates on the ballot since he would not beat Romney straight up unless the other candidates people were voting for Paul just to stop Romney.
KW64 on December 26, 2011 at 12:27 PM
As someone voting in their first primary in April (in the great state of new york), I want the Republican that can not only out govern Obama, which all can do except Paul and Bachmann, but is actually capable of beating him in the general election.
That’s why I support Romney. It took me a long time to get here, as I supported Barbour and Pawlenty when they were in it, but Im glad to be supporting him. He’s a good Conservative on most issues and he would be an effective president. He’s not talking about growing government, but shrinking it, which none of our past GOP nominees have done since Reagan.
timbok on December 26, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Sure there is – remember when the US armed forces retaliated with a write-in campaign against Tojo?
whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Ed, I’m assuming you penned the disparaging post on Newt-onian hyperbole before seeing the Moe Lane piece above. Sounds like Newt and the other candidates might have a legitimate beef with the VA Republican party. How much notice did the candidates get that the ballot rules were changed at the last minute?
MrLynn on December 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM
Newt attacked Virginia.
“Only a failed system excludes four out of the six major candidates seeking access to the ballot. Voters deserve the right to vote for any top contender, especially leading candidates.
He forgot the words profound and fundamentally, but I’m pretty sure that was an attack on Virginia.
JPeterman on December 26, 2011 at 12:34 PM
..and if Newt and Perry had been better prepared, they would have collected the 15,000 signatures as well.
There’s no tinfoil hat conspiracy here. Anyone sharp enough TO PREPARE FOR THE RUN AT THE GOP NOMINATION should have had staff that was alert to the 15,000 vote rule and had their troops on the ground gathering signatures.
Look, I like Newt and think he makes some great points. But this campaign is a lot more than showing up at game shows and snarling at gotcha questions and giving more than soundbite answers. In the general, debating will only get you three opportunities (at best) to win — and that’s against a media that is in full-bum-osculation-mode for their failed, hatchet-asssed prince.
As Newt keeps saying over and over again in these debates, “the goal is to beat Obama”.
No organization == no win.
The War Planner on December 26, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Yeah, lawyering up – that’s the ticket!
whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM
If one candidate misses the ballot shame on him. If most of the candidates that made it on the ballot in other states miss the ballot, there is, on the face of it, a problem. If the poll leader doesn’t get on the ballot because of a late in the campaign season change that appears to favor a particular candidate, that would be a scandal. Obama’s career has been built on access prevention and other underhanded spoiling of his opponents. I have seen a lot of criticism of Obama for this behavior at HA.
KW64 on December 26, 2011 at 12:38 PM
Romney and Paul had no issues, apparently, dealing with a rules change in VA. I don’t smell a conspiracy yet, because all candidates who attempted to comply had the same set of rules by which to play. Those who were serious about competing for delegates didn’t whine about it. They put down a ground game to achieve that goal.
Newt is a part of the Beltway establishment and made a mint from those affiliations. Spare us all with the outsider comparisons. He was not liked by them, but he chose to live, work and socialize in those circles. I don’t have a problem with that per se, but any depiction of him as anti-establishment is ridiculous.
Philly on December 26, 2011 at 12:42 PM
..your virginity is at an end. I was vehemently anti-Romney in 2008, moderately anti-Rmoney early this year but, since then, have been doing a lot of reading/research and believe he will be a lot better than many here suspect. And, as you said, much better than that clown we got now.
..as any of the candidates would.
The War Planner on December 26, 2011 at 12:46 PM
And that changes the premise of my post how? If they had filed under 15,000 but over 10,000 they would have still been on the ballot in 2008, but quite possibly not in 2012. The fact still remains that by filing over 15,000 signatures they were both deemed to have qualified for the ballot without any signature reviews, unlike candidates that gathered the required 10,000 but not the ‘suggested’ 15,000.
Snorkdoodle Whizbang on December 26, 2011 at 12:46 PM
..unintentional, yet ironic typo?
The War Planner on December 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM
Well, if Moe Lane’s link (in headlines) is true, and I’m inclined to believe him and his sources, then I take back my previous statement. If the rules were changed in November, then there was little time for Newt or Rick Perry to get the excess required signatures and their campaigns are less incompetent than it seems.
The VAGOP, however, is full of fail.
JeffWeimer on December 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM
Perhaps the reasoning is that anyone submitting over 15,000 will not have more that 4,999 signatures disqualified? Whatever. It was the rules and applied to any and all candidates.
The War Planner on December 26, 2011 at 12:51 PM
I dunno Mr. Ed;
It sure seems like the “Establishment” is doing a significant amount of work to help their preferred candidate which is undeniably Romney. So anybody but Romney is fair game to their hi-jinx. Is the VA GOP part of that process? Who know, it sounds plausible but somewhat conspiratorial. Could our hapless GOP, who can’t even message in a coordinated way on major issues…pull this off? Possible, but laughable.
Marcus Traianus on December 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM
Golly, I wonder if there was a candidate who has a lot of establishment support and influence that could possibly use that influence to get the rules changed during the petition process, keeping other candidates in the dark about the changes as they then surreptitiously tried to disqualify other candidates from the ballot.
Did I hear someone say Mitt Romney?
Stoic Patriot on December 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM
Why do you suppose they went for at least 15,000, well over “the recommended minimums” in 2008, when it wasn’t even required?
But the point is they couldn’t manage to find, in a state the size of VA, even just 15,000 people in at least 6 months time who believed they deserved a place on the primary ballot.
whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 12:58 PM
I am confident that the alleged VA “establishment” does not want Ron Paul as a candidate, yet he made the ballot. Try again.
Philly on December 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM
Even if Virginia changed their requirements recently, it is still a silly statement by Newt and I’m still going to vote for him in the primaries.
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Ed,
If Newt is Establishment then why is the Establishment all in for Romney?
LevinFan on December 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM
…and that’s why it will end up in court. Because a potential difference of less than 5,000 signatures would place a higher onus upon some candidates and not on others. If 2,000+ out of 10,000 could be found to be invalid, why not 5,000+ out of 15,000? And for the VA GOP to change the rules less than a month prior to the deadline? Lawyer up indeed… can’t say I wouldn’t do the same in this case.
Snorkdoodle Whizbang on December 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM
VA residents should direct their disgust at Newt for denying them a chance to vote for him.
Philly on December 26, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Now that’s a great question… and no, I’m not a Gingrich supporter.
Snorkdoodle Whizbang on December 26, 2011 at 1:07 PM
If the GOP/RNC knew what the voting public REALLY thought of them……. The GOP and the RNC will elect odumbo in 2012 because of their neverending stupidity. And hence will doom the country. “Where do we find such people”?
ultracon on December 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM
oh wow, this kind of comment really makes Mittens a great choice (Sarc).
DDay on December 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM
..just positing a theory. I cannot believe that some cursory review of any group of signatures would not be done. You know, multiple entries of “Mickey Mouse” or “Scrooge McDuck” or “Joe Frasier” where that kind of funny business would lead to a more intense inspection.
I think you had a post that I probably agree with a lot: they blew it; let’s move on.
The War Planner on December 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM
Hey ,IndeCon (sp) ,Snork , Juliesea !
You guys made my my point far better than this dummy who
can’t link could have ! Give me time , I’ll learn .
In the meantime …….. Thank You !
Lucano on December 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM
One thing I consistently see being missed is that submitting ballots with only a 10% margin of error is incredibly stupid, ask any political consultant of any stripe in any state. No seasoned campaign should make a mistake like that, and it just illustrates how amateur the Gingrich and Perry campaign operation really is.
Of course they found 10% of signatures that weren’t valid, that’s why every single campaign across the country goes well beyond that margin. In 2008, numerous GOP candidates turned in an excess of 15,000 signatures for this very reason, you try to overshoot by about 50%.
Sorry, if you can’t get something as basic as this, I don’t think you can take on the Chicago machine.
BradTank on December 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM
If it’s true I agree. If it is true then the Newt campaign will lead with that.
A Mittens conspiracy to disenfranchise the voter seems like a stretch BUT if it turns out that there are shenanigans then I might not vote republican in the general. I can’t vote for an entity that doesn’t respect my vote.
This is a primer on republican GOTV.
http://flread45.hubpages.com/hub/How-To-Raise-And-Care-For-Sheep
BoxHead1 on December 26, 2011 at 1:18 PM
They would prefer Obama over Gingrich? Why? Are you talking about someone whose main concern was fidelity in marriage and that’s why they would prefer Obama as President of the US?
Vince on December 26, 2011 at 1:18 PM
DID VIRGINIA CHANGE IT’S RULES??
ANSWER: YES!!! Right after the Nov 2011 elections in which Paul and Romney “PAID” outside agencies to collect signatures or them.
Why do you think that Bachmann, Santorum and others didn’t even try?
Something just isn’t right here.
http://moelane.com/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/
coach1228 on December 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM
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Now that’s a great question… and no, I’m not a Gingrich supporter.
Snorkdoodle Whizbang on December 26, 2011 at 1:07 PM
Me neither, but I’d take Newt in a heart beat over Mittens!
LevinFan on December 26, 2011 at 1:26 PM
BradTank
If in previous elections 11000 signatures was the accepted amount, and suddenly that amount is changed, that is not incompetence on Gingrich’s part. People involved with the rule change are supporters of Romney, so Romney would have had advanced notice of the rule change. He would have gotten the 15000 knowing that would be the new accepted amount.
Rose on December 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM
Mitt Romney keeps talking about his theoretical, imaginary and objectively non-existent version of federalism. Newt Gingrich walks the walk.
Gingrich never had a hard on for Scuzzyfuzzy (admittedly, that would be inexcusable.) All he said was that he trusted the state’s local GOP to do their job. Now that Virginia has instituted a bizarre (and apparently ad hoc) requirement for 5,000 “extra” signatures that nobody but Mitt Romney was told about, he’s taking that in stride too.
Newt only uses his rhetorical Big Stick on the true enemies of the Republic — just like all great Presidents have done.
logis on December 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Gingrich has had a mental breakdown and is suffering from delusions. Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. Virginia’s 10,000 valid signature requirement should not have been a surprise to any campaign unless all it’s members had been in a coma.
VorDaj on December 26, 2011 at 1:39 PM
Coach, if that activity is legal and within the rules, then the others were free to use it as well. If their organizations could not raise the funds to do so, then that’s their bad. Newt’s campaign needs to win, and he needs to get an organization that can raise those funds. A subpar organization just might lack the ability to do so. Problem identified.
Excuses are for losers. Newt ought to know that.
Philly on December 26, 2011 at 1:45 PM
I felt a little full when I woke up this morning and figured I must have eaten too much yesterday. I felt a lot like Steve Jobs must have felt with his cancer.
VorDaj on December 26, 2011 at 1:51 PM
As a woman I call B.S.. If the person running against Obama wouldn’t be an improvement (hard to imagine) than I would just not vote for the office. Why would I forgo the rest of the ballot because there are two incompetents for president?
Cindy Munford on December 26, 2011 at 1:51 PM
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