Politico: Ron Paul really has to explain these six statements

posted at 11:40 am on December 23, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

No, this isn’t another post about the newsletters, which Politico to their credit has covered and does mention in this piece.  Instead, Ginger Gibson identifies six political statements from Paul over the years that she believes Paul will need to explain to maintain his credibility in this race:

The storyline dogging Ron Paul as his numbers continue to rise in Iowa — the racist content in newsletters published in the 1990s under his name — poses a significant impediment to his campaign’s momentum.

But that’s not his only problem.

Even as he disavows the newsletters — the Texas congressman asserts he didn’t write them and never even read them — Paul’s got a collection of other statements that he’ll likely need to explain in greater detail if he expects to capture the Republican Party nomination.

I’ll bullet-point the statements Gibson identifies:

  • The “disaster” of Ronald Reagan’s conservative agenda
  • Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional
  • American drug laws are designed to fund rogue governments, CIA programs
  • U.S. foreign policy “significantly contributed” to 9/11 attacks
  • Returning white supremacist donation is “pandering”
  • The Civil Rights Act “violated the Constitution”

Before I address the statements themselves, I’ll question the premise of the article itself.  When has Ron Paul ever had to give a rational explanation to anything he’s done in the past to maintain his base of support?  Granted, Paul’s support has temporarily expanded outside of that base in Iowa and New Hampshire, and if he wants to maintain that momentum, these statements would eventually have to get reconciled.  I doubt, however, that Paul or his team see the need to “explain” these statements, and not just because they might still believe all of this.  In politics, “explaining” is “losing.”

There are only really two statements here that haven’t been baked into the Paul cake and could hurt him.  When running for President on the Libertarian ticket in 1987, Paul credited Reagan for “pointing out the fallacies of the Democratic liberal agenda in 1980, but then castigated him for doing “a good job on following up to show the disaster of the conservative agenda as well.”  As Gibson points out, Republicans still consider the Age of Ronaldus Maximus as a golden era for conservatism, and this attack won’t wear well with the base.  Paul made that statement almost a quarter-century ago, though, and he can certainly say that in retrospect, Reagan accomplished much while still leaving much unaccomplished.

The other is the donation from the Florida white supremacist and Paul’s refusal to return it, saying, “I think it is pandering. I think it is playing the political correctness.”  Without the newsletters, this wouldn’t be a huge issue, but with the newsletters it looks as though the real pandering involving Paul was pandering to the fringe-bigot crowd.  That didn’t come from 24 years ago, but from his presidential run four years ago.  It only would have cost Paul $500 to resolve this issue at the time, but if the media decides to pick it up, it could reinforce the newsletter story and provide a clear narrative of Paul as a fringe-element kook.

The other statements are, for better or worse, standard Paul fare.  The argument that Social Security and Medicare are “unconstitutional” has been voiced by other Republican presidential candidates besides Paul.  Paul has long criticized the Civil Rights Act as a constitutional overreach of the federal government, a position with which his more-politically-adept son flirted in his Senate campaign before hitting reverse and affirming it as a positive development.  The other positions — that the US foreign policy “significantly contributed to the [9/11] attacks” and that the drug war is intended to fund “some terrorist government someplace” or to fund CIA programs are part of Paul’s rather paranoid view of the world, which is his tie to the Alex Jones base and why he makes so many appearances on Prison Planet.  In fact, as this poorly-produced web ad (the voice-over is hysterical and the recording is warbly) from the Paul campaign from a couple of weeks ago reminds us, Paul didn’t win his legion of devotees by taking a rational, thinking approach to American security:

That doesn’t sound as if Team Paul thinks they have anything to explain, even if they really, really do.


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Fine, and this position, while I disagree with it, was accepted by many at the time.

And a great majority of Americans accept it now.

Arguing the Constitution here on HA is one thing, but do not expect the electorate to ever become cozy with the idea that we could not/should not have tried to fix the problem.

What we can change is the Supreme Court accepting all of the insane unconstitutional extensions to the basic concept/core problem that drove the Civil Rights Act(s) in the first place

We do that by electing a President who does not appoint people like Kagan and Sotomayor, and by giving that President a Senate that will confirm those appointments.

fadetogray on December 23, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Arguing the Constitution here on HA is one thing, but do not expect the electorate to ever become cozy with the idea that we could not/should not have tried to fix the problem.

What we can change is the Supreme Court accepting all of the insane unconstitutional extensions to the basic concept/core problem that drove the Civil Rights Act(s) in the first place

We do that by electing a President who does not appoint people like Kagan and Sotomayor, and by giving that President a Senate that will confirm those appointments.

fadetogray on December 23, 2011 at 3:11 PM

Yeah, no kidding. I wouldn’t even begin to make this argument if I were running for office (as Paul is) since, as the other commenters have demonstrated, it’s very easy to demagogue.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:12 PM

(and im assuming you also agree with the cousin of the CRA, affirmative action)

Do not ever make that assumption. Affirmative action is an abomination. Supporters of affirmative action are no better than the KKK. Racist pigs, the lot of them.

fadetogray on December 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM

The only way to mix the populations so every American was getting equal access to the benefits of being an American was to force it.

That force may have been unconstitutional, but we err if we ignore the problem.
fadetogray on December 23, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Yeah, I believe in freedom, but…

Sorry, it would have died out in less than a generation and without the racial animosity the government force created.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM

I don’t think anyone has a problem with the ending of STATE IMPOSED RACISM

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:04 PM

Which is where your logic utterly and totally fails. The 14th and 15th amendments had to be enforced at the barrel of a gun, not figuratively, but literally. There are to this very day significant segments of American society that object to and are offended by the 14th and 15th amendments.

As to your assertion “Neither of which has any “no discrimination” law” You are mistaken.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That is a anti-discrimination clause.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 3:17 PM

Looks like my comment got eaten, but basically my point is that too many “establishment” republican types still think from a liberal viewpoint. You’ve allowed the liberals to take over every major institution and basically re-define the language to suit their needs. That’s probably the biggest diservice the republican party has done to the US people over the past 50 or so years.

Many of you older commenters, who at the very least watched us get into this mess, need to realize that the younger generation will actually see a real life big time catastrophe if we can’t fix your messes. You and your parents generation stole from us for short term gains for yourself.

While you might think you’re terribly smart, you were played by the liberals and don’t seem to realize it.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Project much?

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM

LOL! You don’t even know what that is, do you? Parrot much?

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Sorry, it would have died out in less than a generation and without the racial animosity the government force created.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:14 PM

That is fantasy.

fadetogray on December 23, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Paul/Christie 2012!

What is most troubling about this story (apart from the obvious) is Chris Christie’s silence in response to this vile declaration of Jew-hatred by a twelve-year-old boy. Chris Christie said nothing when confronted by blatant Jew-hatred. Christie has been loudmouthed and ugly towards opposition to sharia (the most extreme and oppressive Ideology on the face of the earth), but he was silent when confronted with Jew-hatred.

Further, this 12-year-old is obviously bullying, harassing and threatening Jewish kids in his class.
The reporting in this story does not explore that at all. How come CAIR didn’t send out a hate alert when it happened?

Who was the boy, and who taught him to hate Jews? I would like to know more of his story, and Christie’s sanction of such vile bigotry.

Spotswood, NJ – 12 Year Old To NJ Gov: Jews Control My City VIN

Spotswood, NJ – A 12 year old New Jersey boy raised eyebrows today at a town hall meeting with Governor Chris Christie in central, New Jersey, when anti Semitic remarks about his home town of Springfield, New Jersey.

Reporter Matt Katz of the Philadelphia Enquirer who tweeted live from the conference in Spotswood, “A 12-year-old boy says he got busted for bullying cause the ‘Jewish community’ ‘controls’ his town and school board.”

According to Katz’s Twitter feed, Governor Christie did address some of the boy’s comments, but not the portion that related to Springfield’s Jewish community and Katz further tweeted that the police chief told the boy that “he was very well spoken”.

Katz confirmed in an email to VIN News the event.. and The AP is also reporting now this story.

Akzed on December 23, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Serious question sparky……Do you read what you post?

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Yes.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Okay, here’s my thoughts on Ron Paul: I think his foreign policy would be a huge disaster. I love his fiscal policies. His flirting with 9/11 trutherism and the JFK assassination and what not is a little disconcerting to me, but I am confident that a president Paul wouldn’t find any new information that will enforce those theories or that they will in any way impact how he runs the country. The fact that he’s skeptical of the federal government is good. Yes, he’s almost in conspiracy land, but it’s something I can live with.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Wow…..really? You can “Live With” a deranged goofball?

Well good for you. I can’t.

This goof is so unstable, I expect him to start playing with his poop at any minute.

“Live With” a re-tread racist isolationist, nut-case. And you’re b!tching about my generation.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:20 PM

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

That is a anti-discrimination clause.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 3:17 PM

See the word STATE there? STATE as in not an individual person or business. As in that entity to which you write your STATE income tax check. Yes, southern democrats fought viciously against ending STATE imposed racism.

Just like how you are a person, not a state, yet it is illegal for you to discriminate. The way you know that you are not a state is that you can go in to bankruptcy, you cannot arrest people, and you cannot collect taxes from people. States can do all of that and more.

However, we’re not talking about STATE imposed racism here, we’re talking about the owner of the local bar b que joint having to hire 2 black people to meet a quota because the federal government is forcing him to.

So instead of him hiring based on talent and not race, he HAS to hire based on race.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:21 PM

John Hitchcock:

Thank you for referring me to your post excusing the failure of the Reagan Revolution. A real eye-opening learning experience from a master! I forgot, it was the Democrats’ fault! Unfortunately, David Stockman and Reagan biographer Steven Hayward would beg to differ. Since we’re blaming the Democrats for Reagan’s failures, should we give them credit for his successes? Oh, and I guess Tip O’Neill was responsible for Iran-Contra. You know, you really have no excuse for being so arrogant.

Mr. Arkadin on December 23, 2011 at 3:22 PM

The fault is not in our stars but in ourselves. Americans like and want entitlements. Until they are willing to vote to roll them back and really cut federal taxing and spending, nothing will change. The tea party movement was a good step toward that, but most of them were worried about their own benefits being dissipated.

Bellyaching about the GOP or our leaders, does no good. The only thing that can bring change is persuasion and a reaffirmation of the principles of limited government.

I’m not sanguine about the success of the conservative movement, but it might leave us with a core of individuals who know what to do when the old system collapses.

flataffect on December 23, 2011 at 3:23 PM

That is a anti-discrimination clause.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 3:17 PM

There’s nothing giving the government authority over private individuals. It is to force states and their local governments not to discriminate. You interpret David Souter.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Cartooner, I’ve been lurking long enough to see a great many of your comments. You’re not all that Conservative, nor are you all that logical, so taking your words at their proper value, … what was it you said again? It completely slipped my mind. Must not’ve been all that important.

John Hitchcock on December 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM

“Live With” a re-tread racist isolationist, nut-case. And you’re b!tching about my generation.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:20 PM

I can live with the conspiracy flirting. I would rather not live under his foreign policy, although I can’t be worse than Obama’s.

The reason my generation might float towards Paul is probably because he seems to realize how screwed the younger generation is. Yeah, that won’t sell in a general, but think about it.

Your parents voted themselves a retirement benefit (SS) that began paying out money as soon as it came into existence. That is, the first recipients paid $0 in to social security. For years, it was a 1% tax. Your generation voted in Medicaid and Medicare to take care of yourselves if you got sick. Your generation gave yourself food stamps, section 8 housing, and the war on poverty.

My generation gets the bill for it all, plus we inherit a disfunctional society with a war on drugs, un secured national borders, stifling taxation and regulation, and government on all levels micromanaging our lives.

So sorry if I don’t agree with you politically.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Many of you older commenters, who at the very least watched us get into this mess, need to realize that the younger generation will actually see a real life big time catastrophe if we can’t fix your messes. You and your parents generation stole from us for short term gains for yourself.

While you might think you’re terribly smart, you were played by the liberals and don’t seem to realize it.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Many of us “Older commentor’s” are the ones actually fighting to save you younger generations. Never allow yourself to be deceived into thinking that youth and strength can over power experience and dirty tricks, because they don’t.

America got where it is, because sneaky old bastards stabbed us “old commentors” in the back while we were still young and naive just like you are now.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Attacking him as some befuddled racist loon isn’t going to work, because he isn’t.

Mr. Arkadin

You’re delusional. It WILL work because his newsletters make him appear racist, whether he is or isn’t. After the media hammers this issue for a few days, it will become fact that Ron Paul is a racist….even if he isn’t.

xblade on December 23, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Many of us “Older commentor’s” are the ones actually fighting to save you younger generations. Never allow yourself to be deceived into thinking that youth and strength can over power experience and dirty tricks, because they don’t.

America got where it is, because sneaky old bastards stabbed us “old commentors” in the back while we were still young and naive just like you are now.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 3:29 PM

Yeah? So are you willing to give up your social security and medicare so that my generation can see some economic growth at some point in our lifetimes?

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM

My generation gets the bill for it all, plus we inherit a disfunctional society with a war on drugs, un secured national borders, stifling taxation and regulation, and government on all levels micromanaging our lives.

So sorry if I don’t agree with you politically.

Timin203

Your generation supports all those things you listed(well, except for the drug part, naturally) plus one you left out: Obamacare. In fact, if your generation had their way, we’d have full blown government run, nationalized health care. Your generation supports an even LARGER intrusion into their lives by the government. So please, spare us the fantasy land BS.

xblade on December 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I can live with the conspiracy flirting. I would rather not live under his foreign policy, although I can’t be worse than Obama’s.

Strawman.

(and btw…he has no “foreign policy” other than contracting it completely – remember, it’s none of our business).

My generation gets the bill for it all, plus we inherit a disfunctional society with a war on drugs, un secured national borders, stifling taxation and regulation, and government on all levels micromanaging our lives.

And your cult-leader helps you with these bread & butter “conservative” issues exactly how?

So sorry if I don’t agree with you politically.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Don’t apologize for your beleifs (no matter how whacky)…it makes you look even weaker…..especially when you support a geezer appeaser (TM).

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM

John Hitchcock:

Thank you for referring me to your post excusing the failure of the Reagan Revolution. A real eye-opening learning experience from a master! I forgot, it was the Democrats’ fault!

Mr Arkadin, thank you for blatantly misrepresenting what I said. It only serves to prove you have no interest in histo-facts or logic as you intentionally violated all manner of rules of logic in order to so blatantly misrepresent what I said and to so blatantly ignore histo-facts as you push your propagandistic historical revisionism.

Do try again when you are ready to enter into a historically- and Constitutionally-accurate debate. And when you’re ready to debate points people make instead of your Straw Men. Mene mene tekel upharsin.

John Hitchcock on December 23, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Looks like my comment got eaten, but basically my point is that too many “establishment” republican types still think from a liberal viewpoint. You’ve allowed the liberals to take over every major institution and basically re-define the language to suit their needs. That’s probably the biggest diservice the republican party has done to the US people over the past 50 or so years.

Many of you older commenters, who at the very least watched us get into this mess, need to realize that the younger generation will actually see a real life big time catastrophe if we can’t fix your messes. You and your parents generation stole from us for short term gains for yourself.

While you might think you’re terribly smart, you were played by the liberals and don’t seem to realize it.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:18 PM

I’m an old fart, and you’re right about our generation. BTW, while I can’t quite stomach Paul, I am a libertarian. It’s the only consistently constitutional philosophy I’ve found. You are right to be wary of Paul’s naive foreign policy positions, and while he’s no racist, he’s said and done stupid things for a politician. This thread has shown me that so-called conservatives have as many ignorant nutballs in their ranks as anybody else. I grew up a conservative Democrat in the South, switched to Republican and became a philosophical libertarian eventually becoming an independent. The Libertarian Party is by and large loony. Some libertarians are really anarchists, so be careful there. I consider myself libertarian in the mold of “classic liberal” like Jefferson et al.
Sorry about our mess, but I hope there are many more like you out there!

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM

xblade:

You’re delusional, because Mitt Romney’s Mormonism will make him appear racist whether he is or isn’t. After the media hammers this issue for a few days, it will become a fact that Mitt Romney is a racist…even if he isn’t.

Wow, that was easy! The MSM is going to portray any and every Republican candidate as racist, and will have no problem finding something in his or her past to justify the portrayal. If our candidate is black, they will do what Larry O’Donnell did to Herman Cain – portray him as a shuckin’ and jivin’ Uncle Tom who betrayed the struggle for a few crumbs from Whitey. The question is, are Conservatives going to play that game too, or are we going to draw a principled line and refuse. You don’t agree with Paul on the issues, fine. Make your case against him, make your case for your candidate, and move on. But don’t play the game like THEY do.

Mr. Arkadin on December 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Your generation supports all those things you listed(well, except for the drug part, naturally) plus one you left out: Obamacare. In fact, if your generation had their way, we’d have full blown government run, nationalized health care. Your generation supports an even LARGER intrusion into their lives by the government. So please, spare us the fantasy land BS.

xblade on December 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM

My generation only supports some of those things, to the extent they do, because we have been lied to through out our years in school that this stuff is a fact of life, it’s all paid for, system runs smoothly. Most of my friends are only now getting involved in politics (in their mid 20s), coincidentally around they time they’re starting to make some real money.
Trust me, when it becomes apparent to everyone exactly what happened here — the biggest theft in the history of the world — peoples attitudes will change. Or, maybe you’re right and it’s too late, people feel too entitled, and the whole ship will go down, bringing us all down together.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Ron Paul is a cranky, old isolationist nutjob. And, if he was as popular as you Paulnuts make believe he is, he would have won one of the 2 million attempts he’s made at the presidency. Heck, he would have at least won the Republican Nomination.

kingsjester on December 23, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Don’t apologize for your beleifs (no matter how whacky)…it makes you look even weaker…..especially when you support a geezer appeaser (TM).

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Yeah, its whacky to want a candidate (again im not supporting ron paul) who will cut the federal government to a reasonable size (we actually have a constitution, which if implemented as written, would be a good frame work for a reasonably sized government) so that my generation doesnt drown in the debt that our parents left so that they could receive short term benefits.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Yeah, its whacky to want a candidate (

again im not supporting ron paul

) who will cut the federal government to a reasonable size (we actually have a constitution, which if implemented as written, would be a good frame work for a reasonably sized government) so that my generation doesnt drown in the debt that our parents left so that they could receive short term benefits.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:46 PM

LMAO – Not one question answered – and yes you are.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:49 PM

Sorry about our mess, but I hope there are many more like you out there!

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I’d also like to take this opportunity to apoligize for cartooner…..and here’s hoping that there are many out there who don’t need a cultist to do their thinking for them.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM

The Libertarian Party is by and large loony. Some libertarians are really anarchists, so be careful there. I consider myself libertarian in the mold of “classic liberal” like Jefferson et al.
Sorry about our mess, but I hope there are many more like you out there!

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Well I believe that my generation is radically more socially liberal then our parents, and I think we are also quickly becoming more fiscally conservative. For older people, social security collapsing and socialism coming to america, and creating jobs, etc, is all academic. For us, it’s real life. Few of my friends have jobs in industries they want to be in, most of us realize we got the short end of the stick with the whole college thing. (yeah, lets go party for 4 years, learn nothing, rack up a lot of debt, then not find a good job). I mean we’re living, in real time, and have been living, the whole liberal dream.
The things I was taught in school would turn your stomach. But a lot of my peers are starting to push back. We see, in real time, that we are being lied to and being conditioned to think and act in a “politically correct” and liberal way.

Some people just go with the flow, but I think enough people are saying, “enough already, this is getting ridiculous” to push back.
They say every generation has its defining moments… It looks like we, like our grand parents, are going to face economic collapse and war as our seminal moments.

We’ll see how we step up.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Cartooner, I’ve been lurking long enough to see a great many of your comments. You’re not all that Conservative, nor are you all that logical, so taking your words at their proper value, … what was it you said again? It completely slipped my mind. Must not’ve been all that important.

John Hitchcock on December 23, 2011 at 3:28 PM

Awwww…didn’t take your meds again. too bad.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:55 PM

Dr Paul says strong words that condemn the sell outs in the Congress. His calm bedside manor is an act.

He masterfully implies that only a few strong people understand what we are fighting for and which persons must be eliminated; such as Gingrich.

He is saying that we must crush any disloyal sell outs first, and only then crush the Socialists.

Trouble with that strategy is that Paul has raised up a mind controlled hostile force aimed at starting a new civil war.

Just be honest about that, all you belligerent Dr. Paul Promoters.

jimw on December 23, 2011 at 3:56 PM

And your cult-leader helps you with these bread & butter “conservative” issues exactly how?

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM

LMAO – Not one question answered – and yes you are.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:49 PM

That was the question you expected an answer to? RP is relevent because hes proposing massive government cuts. If Perry stood up and said, “I’ll freeze spending at ’07 levels while we find a trillion dollars to cut from the budget” I’d jump behind him in a new york minute. Right now, I’m voting for whoever the not-romney is when my primary comes up. Again, I doubt that it will be Paul.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM

I’d also like to take this opportunity to apoligize for cartooner…..and here’s hoping that there are many out there who don’t need a cultist to do their thinking for them.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM

You consider Perry a cultist?

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Well I believe that my generation is radically more socially liberal then our parents,

LMAO – Wow, you’re kidding. That’s never ever happened before!

It looks like we, like our grand parents, are going to face economic collapse and war as our seminal moments.

We’ll see how we step up.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM

You’ve made a great start with your support of Paul!!

LMAO – Well, there’s always YOUR kids!

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Yawn…another anti-Paul post from HotAir. Shocka. Scared much, Ed? I thought Paul “couldn’t win.” And let me guess: if he DOES win, it will be because of fraud or fanatical voters or something. But that only applies if Paul wins. Anybody else wins and it’s unquestionably valid.

Do you want Democratic Big Government or Republican Big Government? Cuz HotAir thinks those are your only two choices. Endless welfare or endless war? Doesn’t matter: both require taking out loans from international banksters and driving the Republic further into unsustainable debt. Crazy Jeffersonian ideas like Paul’s are CRAAAAZY and RAAAAACIST!! Run for your lives!!1111!

shawk on December 23, 2011 at 4:02 PM

You consider Perry a cultist?

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:57 PM

I like you….but you’re over your head here.

Take a step back, read all of the crazy comments you guys are making while espousing Paul’s “Conservatism” and you tell me.

The leaps in logic that you guys make to try to hammer a “ron paul” into a sensible conservative are nothing short of breathtaking.

You’re getting sucked into the madness.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Shawk, please do finish torching your Straw Men. I like a good bonfire. Logic and reasoning aren’t things with which you’re all that experienced.

John Hitchcock on December 23, 2011 at 4:05 PM

And another thing, the reason people cite the war on drugs as a huge issue isnt because my generation smokes more weed then previous generations have. its because we are first generation to suffer from this “war” up close. We learned that the government lies in DARE class. We learned that drug dogs in high schools were a normal thing. We learned that cops can search our bags or cars whenever they want, and we learned that peoples lives can be screwed up forever because they, like their parents before them, smoked weed in highschool or college. but unlike their parents, they had to spend the night in jail, go to court, spend thousands on lawyers, and tell every prospective employer about what happened.

Personally, I was never a big pot smoker. However, I saw countless of my friends go through that.

And I’ve had my car searched several times, and that is what sends a lot of people down the libertarian path, which to some leads to Ron Paul. For me, it hasnt. But I understand it.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM

While I agree that “entitlement” programs are unconstitutional, this dog not only has the mange, he has rabies.

AshleyTKing on December 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM

consider myself libertarian in the mold of “classic liberal” like Jefferson et al.
cartooner

If you support Paul, then you are delusional or a nut.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM

We’ll see how we step up.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 3:53 PM

As long as you understand eternal truths are just that–eternal, know about the history of the United States and where the principles came from and then do all you can to advance human freedom–not egalitarianism, not social justice, but freedom. You’ll step up just fine.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Take a step back, read all of the crazy comments you guys are making while espousing Paul’s “Conservatism” and you tell me.

The leaps in logic that you guys make to try to hammer a “ron paul” into a sensible conservative are nothing short of breathtaking.

You’re getting sucked into the madness.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM

You’re the one bending over backwards to say Pauls domestic views are not conservative. Sound money, small government, personal liberty are all conservative ideals. Of all candidates, he understands that best. However, again, I think he is wrong on foreign policy, I’m not in love with his conspiracy theory flirtations over the years, etc. etc.

Any candidate will be better than Obama, yes, but it would be nice to have a candidate who understands WHY we need a small federal government and sound money, and not just that saying that’s what we need polls well, because maybe he could then actually do something about it.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:10 PM

although I had heard of Ron Paul I never knew all this past stuff about him until he became a front runner in Iowa and all this info is out. It may be re-hash to long time onlookers but mostly new to me. I can’t believe with all this “stuff” that he has a chance .
He has more baggage than Newt and NEWT has an airport baggage area.

gerry-moderate republican-RINO-mittbot

gerrym51 on December 23, 2011 at 4:13 PM

Timin203 , you have fallen for RP’s BS hook-line-and sinker. In time maybe you will see what a fraud he is. One can hope.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Ed, I never realized how utterly biased you are toward the establishment until Paul started gaining traction.

What are you scared of?

Constitutional governance and a RETURN to a sane foreign policy.

Geez, Ed. You are starting to sound like the very thing you believe you are trying to destroy.

This is one Reagan Conservative who has woken up and won’t be headed back on board the good ship ‘Republican’ aka ‘The Mini-Democrat’.

http://www.RonPaulMyths.com

bmowell on December 23, 2011 at 4:16 PM

the reason people cite the war on drugs as a huge issue isnt because my generation smokes more weed then previous generations have.

Oh…PLEASE cite the study where you got this utter nonsense from!

its because we are first generation to suffer from this “war” up close.

How absolutely clueless are you – there are still people in Federal Prison for marijauana issues dating back to the late ’60′s

We learned that the government lies in DARE class. We learned that drug dogs in high schools were a normal thing. We learned that cops can search our bags or cars whenever they want, and we learned that peoples lives can be screwed up forever because they, like their parents before them, smoked weed in highschool or college. but unlike their parents, they had to spend the night in jail, go to court, spend thousands on lawyers, and tell every prospective employer about what happened.

WRONG iditt….so very, very wrong! Again – refer back to the 1960′s, 1970′s, 1980′s and 1990′s

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM

Good Lord, either get it right…..or stop digging! You’re making this way too easy.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:18 PM

Love means you never have to say you’re sorry he crazy.

FIFY

Knott Buyinit on December 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

I like you….but you’re over your head here.

Take a step back, read all of the crazy comments you guys are making while espousing Paul’s “Conservatism” and you tell me.

The leaps in logic that you guys make to try to hammer a “ron paul” into a sensible conservative are nothing short of breathtaking.

You’re getting sucked into the madness.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM

I’m never over my head in a political forum, Scooter, you’re attention span leaves something to be desired, tho’. I haven’t been espousing Paul’s conservatism but rather his libertarianism. Ron Paul wouldn’t consider himself a conservative and I’m not trying to make him one. I am, however, amazed at the gross ignorance you and others display about political philosophy. Talk about over your heads! Name-call, insult, condescend seems to be your strongest arguments. I know you don’t know this, and I’m sure you’ll resent it, but libertarians are more faithful to conservatives’ professed principles of limited government, free markets and individual liberty than conservatives are.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Timin203 , you have fallen for RP’s BS hook-line-and sinker. In time maybe you will see what a fraud he is. One can hope.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Sigh. Okay, you’re right. I’m racist because I agree with Paul that the CRA was unconstitutional, and niave because I would defend someone that would say such a thing.

Arguing with you all is like arguing with my girlfriend. Just easier to give up in the beginning.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

If you support Paul, then you are delusional or a nut.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 4:08 PM

You really don’t have much in the way of an attention span, do you? Go play your banjo some more.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:22 PM

I’m never over my head in a political forum, Scooter, you’re attention span leaves something to be desired, tho’. I haven’t been espousing Paul’s conservatism but rather his libertarianism. Ron Paul wouldn’t consider himself a conservative and I’m not trying to make him one. I am, however, amazed at the gross ignorance you and others display about political philosophy. Talk about over your heads! ****Name-call, insult, condescend**** seems to be your strongest arguments. I know you don’t know this, and I’m sure you’ll resent it, but libertarians are more faithful to conservatives’ professed principles of limited government, free markets and individual liberty than conservatives are.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Project much Paul-tard?

Again….do you guys read what you post?

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Good Lord, either get it right…..or stop digging! You’re making this way too easy.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:18 PM

No, Sherlock, you back YOUR Bullstuff up. It would be the first time you’d be right, but we both know you’re not.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM

what has paul ever accomplished??? has he ever introduced legislation? has any ever passed? he talks about reducing the size of govt but other than over the top inflammatory speeches does he do anything of substance ever?

chasdal on December 23, 2011 at 4:29 PM

No, Sherlock, you back YOUR Bullstuff up. It would be the first time you’d be right, but we both know you’re not.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:26 PM

um….what would you like me to clarify paul-tard….too much hyperbole/strawman here…I’m not sure what you’re referring to.

(It’s the cultist lunacy)

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Project much Paul-tard?

Again….do you guys read what you post?

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:25 PM

Project much?

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 2:55 PM

And that is how a ron tard responds. How about answering the question?

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 2:48 PM

FYI, I’m a Perrynista but playing with genuine RE-tards is just too much fun!

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 3:07 PM

ROFLMAO!!! RE-tards of a feather…

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM

ROFLMAO!!! RE-tards of a feather…

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM

LMFAO – Hey Idiot…You’re friggin proving our point!!

ROTFLMAO…..just keep avoing the questions….and keep responding with projections and strawmen.

Again….you make this way too easy.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Good Lord, either get it right…..or stop digging! You’re making this way too easy.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:18 PM

War on Drugs started in 1971. I guess I’m at a disadvantage because I don’t know your age, but suffice to it’s gotten worse since you were a kid. Reagan doubled down in the 80′s, every politician from president on down has toughened drug laws to be “tough on crime.” I really can’t argue this point with you, since it’s pretty evident. Although I’m sure you remember no knock raids and check points etc etc from your youth, too.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM

You’re the one bending over backwards to say Pauls domestic views are not conservative. Sound money, small government, personal liberty are all conservative ideals. Of all candidates, he understands that best.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Ron Paul is not conservative nor are his views on, well anything. Ron Paul is a Libertarian and his views on just about everything are…. Ding ding ding…. That’s right, Libertarian, and far left fringe Libertarian at that.

Ron Paul does not support a “Sound Money” policy since Ron Paul doesn’t even understand the concept of what “Money” is let alone what constitutes “Sound Money”.

As for his concept of “Small Government” yea, square his assertion with his actions. Ron Paul is one of the top “Pork” kings. He never fails to load down bills that he knows are going to pass with pork for his district and then votes against those bills so that he can dishonestly claim that he opposes pork and entitlement spending. That particular dishonest practice is the epitome of big government corruption. There is no squaring that circle.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM

Again….you make this way too easy.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM

You’re a simpleton so I’m sure it is.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM

War on Drugs started in 1971. I guess I’m at a disadvantage because I don’t know your age, but suffice to it’s gotten worse since you were a kid.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Seriously, put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it, you are going to hurt yourself trying to support that bullshit assertion.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM

As for his concept of “Small Government” yea, square his assertion with his actions. Ron Paul is one of the top “Pork” kings. He never fails to load down bills that he knows are going to pass with pork for his district and then votes against those bills so that he can dishonestly claim that he opposes pork and entitlement spending. That particular dishonest practice is the epitome of big government corruption. There is no squaring that circle.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM

As I said earlier, at the federal level, libertarianism and conservatism should be pretty closely related. Or am I wrong in assuming that? I thought that conservatives hated big government now, but maybe only when a democrat is in office.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM

War on Drugs started in 1971. I guess I’m at a disadvantage because I don’t know your age, but suffice to it’s gotten worse since you were a kid.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Seriously, put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it, you are going to hurt yourself trying to support that bullshit assertion.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Again, is this seriously debatable? So government is inefficient and terrible at everything they do, and we all hate the EPA, but the DEA, whos budget also grows every year, and every local and state police department that get federal dollars for drug enforcement, and every police department that makes millions of asset forfeitures…

So let me see if I understand how conservatives at hotair think…
against Civil rights act? Racist
against War on Drugs? Crackhead.

But you will be the first person to get offended when Perry says you’re heartless for not being for tuition breaks for illegal immigrants.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:44 PM

And you don’t want the government to tell you how to run your life unless its to tell people not to marry other guys and not to smoke weed?

So you’re exactly like the liberals, just with different policy priorities.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Ron Paul is not conservative nor are his views on, well anything. Ron Paul is a Libertarian and his views on just about everything are…. Ding ding ding…. That’s right, Libertarian, and far left fringe Libertarian at that.

SWalker on December 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM

The depth of your stupidity is infinite. You apparently don’t know the difference between liberal, conservative or libertarian. What do you do, ask Tim_CA or Hard Right when you bump up against an issue? Hint–they ain’t any smarter. just sayin’…

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Shawk, please do finish torching your Straw Men. I like a good bonfire. Logic and reasoning aren’t things with which you’re all that experienced.

John Hitchcock on December 23, 2011 at 4:05 PM

LOL. And these MSM anti-Paul memes are logical? “Herr Doktor,” “Crazy Old Uncle,” “Isolationist,” “Racist,” etc. Do you even understand Austrian economics? Have you read Hayek or von Mises? Do you even understand a constitutionally-limited government? Have you read Montesquieu or Bastiat or Jefferson? Do you just want more of the status quo? Every nation in history has been full-blown STATIST except the early American Republic. We want it back. We don’t want government body scans and endless wars and corporate welfare and bankster bailouts and individual mandates. We’re tired of the Republicrat status quo that’s killing this nation. We’re gonna resurrect a word that none of your cherished candidates ever utters: liberty. Too bad HotAir has become as sclerotic as National Review. But history marches on. They laughed at Goldwater and destroyed him in the MSM. You can do the same thing to Paul. But the idea of individual liberty will not be killed by your mindless mainstream mantras.

shawk on December 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM

you know…..the biggest surprise to me over the last few weeks watching these Paul threads (on a conservative website) have been the folks like Aquateen and cartooner.

People that for the most part have seemed fairly coherent and stable….then just exploded when challenged on their “unusual” choice for the “Republican” nomination.

What the hell is it about this shriveled old geezer that turns people nuts?

He’s not good-looking, he’s not terribly smart, he lies with alarming regularity and ease, he’s inconsistent, he made a living shilling racist propaganda (that he apparently never ever saw), his foreign policy (in the age of terrorism) is laughably naive and dangerous….yet we’ve got otherwise “normal” people willing to die on the paul-tard hill.

I’m at a complete loss.

(So I’m going to blame Jazz)

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:49 PM

As I said earlier, at the federal level, libertarianism and conservatism should be pretty closely related. Or am I wrong in assuming that? I thought that conservatives hated big government now, but maybe only when a democrat is in office.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Normally you would be right, but maybe these are the famous “Compassionate Conservatives”? As a libertarian, I have more in common with conservatives than progressives, but they do have their statist tendencies especially when it come to law enforcement–cops are NEVER wrong.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:51 PM

Again….you make this way too easy.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM
You’re a simpleton so I’m sure it is.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Typical, well schooled, well thought-out paul-tard response.

Thanks for the clarification.

(wow)

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Timin203, please post where I called you a racist. I will leave the thread if you can post where I said you in particular were a racist.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM

And you don’t want the government to tell you how to run your life unless its to tell people not to marry other guys and not to smoke weed?

So you’re exactly like the liberals, just with different policy priorities.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:47 PM

BINGO! THAT’S why I’m a libertarian.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM

We’re tired of the Republicrat status quo that’s killing this nation. We’re gonna resurrect a word that none of your cherished candidates ever utters: liberty. Too bad HotAir has become as sclerotic as National Review. But history marches on. They laughed at Goldwater and destroyed him in the MSM. You can do the same thing to Paul. But the idea of individual liberty will not be killed by your mindless mainstream mantras.

shawk on December 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM

You know how we hear idiots babbling on and on giving liberal talking points, but when you challenge / question them, they have no idea what they’re really saying? I think we have a large number of those people in these comments right now. I mean, they do not seem to understand how screwed we as a country are, and how through Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama things have only gotten worse. Even the great conservative savior, Reagan, could not manage to shrink the size of the government (yes, I know, he tried, but couldnt because of Tip ONeill. Fine. Point is, he didnt.)
But this is just another election. Our turn to take over the committee chairmanships and get to decide how we want to spend the money. Lets elect a moderate, only way to win the election.
Its obnoxious hearing this attitude from DC, is downright depressing hearing it on HA.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Timin203, please post where I called you a racist. I will leave the thread if you can post where I said you in particular were a racist.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Well, I mean in general. upinak called me a racist, I dont remember you specifically saying it, and I don’t feel like scrolling through comments.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Timin203, I have not called you racist. I do think you believe what RP says about his beliefs. I don’t. I don’t think he really means any of it and he is anything but consistent when it comes to comparing his actions to his words.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Part of being President is assembling the right people for the right positions. Even if Paul did not write any of the newsletters, he obviously has some pretty insane people around him.

“Coming race war” signed by Ron Paul
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57347916-503544/paul-campaign-ron-paul-didnt-write-advertising-letter-predicting-race-war/

“I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threat or no threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician hleps me see through this one….)

Send your check today, or charge your order to AMEX, Visa or Mastercard (by mail or on my toll free 800 number: 1-800-RON-PAUL). Let me welcome you as a subscriber.

Sincerely Congressman Ron Paul”

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 4:49 PM

It is sad that we have so many idiots, nevermind how many times I’ve told Tim_CA and others I’m a Perry supporter, “libertarian” sounds like “leprosy” to them and Ron Paul is the chief leper.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM

You Paul critics are as ridiculous as they come.

Whether it’s Ed doing his best to paint the worst picture possible of a guy he doesn’t like, which means ignoring all evidence that doesn’t support his view…

…or the multitude of critics who just don’t know anything about anything, much less about Paul. For example…

Ron Paul is a cranky, old isolationist nutjob. And, if he was as popular as you Paulnuts make believe he is, he would have won one of the 2 million attempts he’s made at the presidency. Heck, he would have at least won the Republican Nomination.

kingsjester on December 23, 2011 at 3:44 PM

This is Ron Paul’s third run at the presidency. It took Ronald Reagan three attempts before he was the GOP nominee as well.

Jimmy Liberty on December 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM

Timin203, I have not called you racist. I do think you believe what RP says about his beliefs. I don’t. I don’t think he really means any of it and he is anything but consistent when it comes to comparing his actions to his words.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Well, maybe you’re right. If you mean he’s inconsistant about pork and wanting smaller government… yeah, he’s a bit hypocritical. He’s like the upstanding citizen that finds himself in the middle of a riot and while he’s watching looters run out of the store with a big screen tv, he figures why not and takes a candy bar. And maybe he doesn’t believe anything he says (his beliefs certainly havent made him popular in the republican party though, esp. while bush was president).

That case can and will be made about any candidate though.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Lets elect a moderate, only way to win the election.
Its obnoxious hearing this attitude from DC, is downright depressing hearing it on HA.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 4:54 PM

Now I get it…..you’re right…why would we bother with a Romney, Gingrich or Santorum or Bachman (all establishment MODERATES per paul-tard logic), when we could have another geeeeeeeeeeeenius like the emotionally stable and always dead-on Ron Paul – Geezer of the people, And happy “Jew” and “Black” hater.

Yep…..that kind of “smart-power” plays so well with the base and the indies!!

And Lord knows that all of those “leaners” are going to jump right on the Idiot-train……cause a tired old confused man is needed to take the reins and…..and of course – when he’s nominated – all of these issues will dissapear and the MSM will throw rose-petals at his feet, and………aw screw it.

You just can’t fix stupid.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

P.P.S. There’s no time to waste. The New Money may not come until next year. Or it my be imposed tomorrow. You should subscribe today.

What kind of people does Paul have working for him in his office?

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Really, a donation from a white supremicist is an issue? Is he not a citizen? Is he not allowed to things others are entitled to? It’s a donation from a person. Way to buy into the description portion of the game “Let’s Categorize the People”. Thanks for playing.

It is exactly how he stated it, pandering, to return it. Do I need to pull up the non-white racists and anti-american folks donating to the Dems which never have to be returned? Keep accepting the beatback that Dems do to make Republicans, Southerners, and anyone considered on the right, that are racist whites or non-white dupes.

To say that debating a topic is no longer allowed, is being kind. Ridicule rules.

John Kettlewell on December 23, 2011 at 5:10 PM

Sincerely Congressman Ron Paul”

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Please don’t publish that d*uche-bag’s racist rants – they’re sickening.

Not even the loony friggin’ paul-tards posting here beleive that nonsensical, disgusting crap (I hope).

He’s a vile, twisted old f$ck with dangerous ideas….let’s just refer to his “Racist Rants” and leave it at that.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/12/Solicitation2.pdf

Forget the Presidency. Ron Paul needs to resign from Congress immediately. Thank god he is not running again.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Ron Paul had a great interview on Cavuto’s show today.

FloatingRock on December 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM

And Lord knows that all of those “leaners” are going to jump right on the Idiot-train……cause a tired old confused man is needed to take the reins and…..and of course – when he’s nominated – all of these issues will dissapear and the MSM will throw rose-petals at his feet, and………aw screw it.

You just can’t fix stupid.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

Right, and when president Gingrich or president Romney gets elected and they pull a Bush on us, then what? After 8 years, we’ll be at, what? 25 trillion in debt? With all of the libertarians and independents disillusioned? Then we get another Obama, the dollar collapses, and instead of “blame bush” its “blame romney.”

I mean, I feel like its probably too late at this point. We have no real conservatives with any chance of winning (at this point in the polling, I know we still have some time, but…)

As for Santorum — he might be good, I don’t know. I don’t care about any social con issues at this point, and only care about the economy. Which doesn’t seem to be what he’s talking about. I haven’t heard his plan to cut $1T in spending yet, but we’ll see.

Bachman — Whatever, I guess I’d vote for her if she had a chance. She talks like a conservative, although it’s hard to know for sure. Although I think she ranked up with Paul in craziness with the gardisil thing.

But yeah, in the long run, Gingrich or Romney would be a real problem for the republicans, the tea party, the US government, and probably the world financial system.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Will Romney explain why the Mormon church used to be racist towards blacks?

Is it safe to assume Romney believes in the original teachings of the Mormon church and he is a secret racist?

And will Obama have to explain his membership in a racist white-hating church for 20 years?

Puma for Life on December 23, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 5:14 PM

What-ev’s hon….have fun with it!!

I don’t know if you vote in the primaries or not, but whatever state you live in…..one of the sensible contribtors here will be more than happy to take credit for cancelling your vote – If you live in CA – the honor is mine.

Kisses.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

“Drew Ivers, the Iowa chairman for Paul’s campaign, told Reuters on Thursday that Paul stands by material he has written under his own signature. But when asked if that meant he still believed there was a federal cover-up relating to AIDS, as the letter states, Ivers said: “I don’t think he embraces that.”

Now, Paul spokesman Jesse Benton tells Talking Points Memo that Ivers was not authorized to comment on the matter, and that Paul “did not write that mail piece and disavows it.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-in-90s-newsletter-appeal-ron-paul-warns-of-coming-race-war-20111223,0,7717151.story

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Please don’t publish that d*uche-bag’s racist rants – they’re sickening.

Not even the loony friggin’ paul-tards posting here beleive that nonsensical, disgusting crap (I hope).

He’s a vile, twisted old f$ck with dangerous ideas….let’s just refer to his “Racist Rants” and leave it at that.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Again, Paul the candidate is flawed. I’m not offended by his newsletters –trust me, I’ve heard worse. And usually directed by people like reverent wright at people like me — but I think that if he wrote them (which, lets be honest, he probably did), yeah, they’re pretty nuts. Fine. The guys not going to win. This is about his IDEAS on the economy and about the role of the federal government.
We missed the boat this cycle to get a real conservative / libertarian in the race who could actually win.

And BTW, lets cut the faux outrage at this stuff. We don’t need to pretend to be liberals who are constantly offended by everything. What’s written there is un-PC, and I strongly disagree with most of it. Doesn’t mean that I have to act like I was just exposed to some horrible and unthinkable scene.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Forget the Presidency. Ron Paul needs to resign from Congress immediately. Thank god he is not running again.

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Yeah, I’m sure the people of Texas’ 14th district need you to tell them who their Rep should be.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

I don’t know if you vote in the primaries or not, but whatever state you live in…..one of the sensible contribtors here will be more than happy to take credit for cancelling your vote – If you live in CA – the honor is mine.

Kisses.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

As I’ve said time and again, I live in CT (203 is my area code… get it), and I will vote for whoever is the non-romney with the best chance to win by the time its my chance to vote. Almost definitely won’t be Paul. If it’s Gingrich… yeah, I might throw my vote away on whoever is polling behind him.
The chances of me pulling the lever for Paul are small, would only be as a protest vote, and if I thought he might seriously win the republican nomination, I would probably vote against home if only because of his foreign policy views.

Timin203 on December 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Ron Paul had a great interview on Cavuto’s show today.

FloatingRock on December 23, 2011 at 5:13 PM

I guess that means he wasn’t foaming at the mouth, wasn’t talking about 9/11, wasn’t screaming racial epithets, and didn’t talk about foreign policy.

As long as you keep your standards low, anyone can have a “good” interview.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

I don’t know if you vote in the primaries or not, but whatever state you live in…..one of the sensible contribtors here will be more than happy to take credit for cancelling your vote – If you live in CA – the honor is mine.

Kisses.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM

Your vote is always canceled in CA, LOL! You are what liberals call “disenfranchised”.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Again, Paul the candidate is flawed. I’m not offended by his newsletters –trust me, I’ve heard worse.

Uh huh….I take it your not Black, Jewish, or homosexual…so no harm no foul….right?

I’ve heard worse – And this still friggin’ bothers me. A lot.

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:28 PM

Your vote is always canceled in CA, LOL! You are what liberals call “disenfranchised”.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

LMAO….tru dat!

But I’m still targeting my vote toon!!

Tim_CA on December 23, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Yeah, I’m sure the people of Texas’ 14th district need you to tell them who their Rep should be.

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 5:24 PM

Are you actually trying to defend Paul’s racist filth?

ZGMF_Freedom on December 23, 2011 at 5:29 PM

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

BTW, what did you ‘snipe’?

cartooner on December 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Timin203, we don’t want perfect. RP is not even acceptable tho.

Here is the video Manning sent to Wikileaks-who edited out the parts that proved them to be liars. Manning claimed it was proof of a coverup of murder. Manning is the person RP called a hero.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/201878.php
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/05/video-collateral-murder-or-the-risks-of-war-zones/

RP endorsed Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader. Both are America hating, socialism loving, anti-semites. RP refused to endorse McCain (understandable), but he endorses two people who are against everything he supposedly believes in?
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/12/21/ron_paul_hates_republicans_and_everything_they_stand_for/

RP Truther statements.

http://www.examiner.com/la-county-libertarian-in-los-angeles/ron-paul-on-9-11-conspiracies-chronological-order

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Hmm. Filter doesn’t like the links I’m trying to post.

Hard Right on December 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM

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