Breaking: Rick Perry disqualified from Virginia ballot for insufficient signatures

posted at 7:31 pm on December 23, 2011 by Allahpundit

We knew it might happen but I don’t think anyone thought it would happen.

If you guys need me, I’ll be in a dark room drinking myself into unconsciousness.

An announcement from the party on former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s petitions is expected Friday evening.

The state GOP verified Friday that Romney and Paul turned in petitions with enough valid signatures, including 400 from each of Virginia’s 11 congressional districts, to get their names on the March 6 primary ballot.

Perry submitted 11,911 signatures to Virginia election officials Thursday, which means 2,000 or more signatures were deemed invalid. Gingrich had about 800 fewer signatures than Perry so there’s no guarantee he would meet the 10,000-name threshold

Virginia’s 49 delegates, handed out proportionally based on election results, make up more than 10 percent of the 475 delegates up for grabs on Super Tuesday.

So even if Perry shocks the world in Iowa and South Carolina, he’s now ineligible for 10+ percent of the Super Tuesday delegates right out of the box. And that’s not even the worst part: Moe Lane of Red State pointed out on Twitter that Gingrich is actually leading in Virginia right now with 30 percent of the vote compared to just six percent for Perry. If he’s struck from the ballot too, which suddenly seems highly likely, the Virginia primary ballot will consist entirely and exclusively of … Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. That’s your choice. Pass the Everclear.

This guy had $15 million in cash on hand three months ago. No one thought to set some of that aside to hire people for canvassing in Virginia? Exit question: Is this a disqualifying mistake on Perry’s part? If you can’t trust him to do his ballot homework, why trust him to run a tight ship in the general election against Obama?

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So thankful that avagreen is in the room these days at HotAir.

sunshinek67 on December 25, 2011 at 8:42 PM

These days? You both just blew in from RedState during the most recent HA registration.

Factual, great research, well spoken.

As I tried to caution her, dependence on SourceWatch-Center for Media and Democracy and The Southern Poverty Law Center for cut and paste jobs just isn’t quite as impressive to conservative folks as one might think.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Ceasar’s Palace Las Vegas has “Rick Perry Gaffe” over/under total at 2-1/2 between now and Iowa caucus night.

Time to slide the keys under the mat and catch that Amtrak back to Austin.

Bradvanhalen on December 26, 2011 at 8:27 AM

As I tried to caution her, dependence on SourceWatch-Center for Media and Democracy and The Southern Poverty Law Center for cut and paste jobs just isn’t quite as impressive to conservative folks as one might think.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 7:15 AM

And, as I remember……….you lost that particular argument.

Especially, your prospensity to speak for this whole HotAir population…at least in that one exchange.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:16 AM

YOu cited as evidence against these websites a man whose partner is a convicted thief for his financial involvements, and the man himself supports Islam and Louis Farrakhan. Yet, you call these sites that down SourceWatach and the Southern Poverty Law Center as ‘leftist’.

LOL!

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Typo:
Should have read
“Yet, you call these sites that down Center for Immigration Studies, such SourceWatch and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as ‘leftist’. LOL!

And,…….because one of them has Mother Jones as a reference”……but you swallow the camel by overlooking your guy’s involvement with Islam and Louis Farrakhan, and oh yea……..his partner’s criminal record.

LOL!

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:24 AM

As I tried to caution her, dependence on SourceWatch-Center for Media and Democracy and The Southern Poverty Law Center for cut and paste jobs just isn’t quite as impressive to conservative folks as one might think.
whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 7:15 AM

And, as I remember……….you lost that particular argument.

I’m sure you feel that way.

Especially, your prospensity to speak for this whole HotAir population…at least in that one exchange.
avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Actually, you will find – as I’ve attempted to explain to you – all of the conservative folks here dismiss SourceWatch-Center for Media and Democracy and The Southern Poverty Law Center out of hand. On the plus side, in using Soros sites for your copy and paste jobs, you do endear yourself to the fringe left element that comments here. So there is that.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Actually, you will find – as I’ve attempted to explain to you – all of the conservative folks here dismiss SourceWatch-Center for Media and Democracy and The Southern Poverty Law Center out of hand. On the plus side, in using Soros sites for your copy and paste jobs, you do endear yourself to the fringe left element that comments here. So there is that.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 10:35 AM

…but you swallow the camel by overlooking the guy’s (the one you quoted as criticizing these websites) involvement with Islam and Louis Farrakhan, and oh yea……..his partner’s criminal record.

LOL!
Yeah, I consider that a “win”.

All the conservative folks here…..” ?????Have you polled each and everyone, and they elected you their spokesperson? Do they know you are speaking for them?

BTW, there’s nothing wrong with cut&paste unless that’s all one does. Believe I also referenced National Review in my quotes. ;)

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:50 AM

BTW, there’s nothing wrong with cut&paste
avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:50 AM

On the other hand, if folks really wanted to read Soros anti-Conservative propaganda, they probably would instead just go to the fringe left sites instead of reading copy & pastes from them here. But good luck anyway.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM

BTW, there’s nothing wrong with cut&paste
avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 10:50 AM

On the other hand, if folks really wanted to read Soros anti-Conservative propaganda, they probably would instead just go to the fringe left sites instead of reading copy & pastes from them here. But good luck anyway.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM

OTOH, I don’t see anyone beeching about this subject other than you.

Nice dodge about your’s guys involvement with a known and convicted criminal for a business partner, and his involvement with the church that supports Louis Farrakhan (an anti-Semite), and Islam, the Unification Church founder, and the Rev. Sun Myung Moon,

And, frankly, I tire of your love affair with a white supremacist group.

You are the one that sounds like a “leftist”…..just sayin’.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I don’t care if Tanton with CIS is involved with Ahmadinejad. I just care whether the numbers are accurate on Texas job growth vis a vis illegal immigrants. That’s the vetting that matters. All this guilt by association just clouds the issue.

cane_loader on December 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM

I tire of your love affair with a white supremacist group.
avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM

You’re exemplifying quite vividly why the Perry campaign was unable to find 15,000 people in Virginia who believe he has any place on their state’s ballot. In it’s recycling of fringe left group’s attacks on Conservatives (you heartless, racist, h8ters!!) the Perry campaign has alienated most Republicans in the state, none of whom – I would venture to hazard a guess – has an “N-rock” to show off.
Like I said, good luck with that approach.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 11:59 AM

avagreen, just a suggestion:

Your comments filled with bold type are hard on the eyes, and overshadow your arguments. I’ve mean meaning to say this for awhile. You might want to consider dialing it back, to more effectively get your opinions heard. Less is more….

cane_loader on December 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM

avagreen, missing you at RedState, there’s a couple of Mittbots crashing and burning right about now lol. See you have your hands full here at HotGas.

Virginia GOP changed the rules midstream this primary cycle. Not good. Taking fire on the internet right now as we speak lol. Check out Osborne vs Virginia pending election lawsuit.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 12:31 PM

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Doesn’t matter when we “blew” in dummy. HotGas needed fair and balance, as csdevil & her Mittbots couldn’t continue their mindless drool unchecked, or checked by a minimum; Aslans, gopher, twerp, rightman etc.

Romney, a candidate who’s name is synonymous with political loser/also-ran, lacks the social intelligence to connect with a vast majority of the voting electorate. Case in point, standing on a stage in front of millions revealing a coreless political compass, “I’m running for office for Pete’s sake, I can’t have illegals”, then weeks later on an Iowa stage, of all places, “Rick I’ll bet you $10,000″. Quoted in Nevada, again, of all places [paraphrased], “let the housing situation bottom out, run it’s course”. “Rockefeller Republican” should be running as a moderate Democrat, because that’s what he is. I think establishment folks think his millions are going to buy his way into this nomination process, it’s been working hard with “endorsements” and phony “electable” headlines, pushing a pseudo-intellectual narrative that makes him seem “inevitable”. Yes inevitable, at losing…..again.

So, this ballot-gate debacle reflects badly on Mitt Romney, because of the establishment that backs him having their hands in this mess, including his Va Campaign Chairman Lt Gov. Bolling, and the rest of the VAGOP for promoting fraud. Maybe they think fly-over America is just that stupid to buy into their “rules are rules” arguments. Not so. Perry & Gingrich should be on the ballot, they turned in enough names. The rules changing midstream on how those signatures are verified, or not, will not hold up in a court of law. Judges tend to encourage voter participation, not voter fraud.

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM

I just care whether the numbers are accurate on Texas job growth vis a vis illegal immigrants.

Apparently not.

You have been told before that 279 – 129 = 150, despite your propensity to believe the CIS asserting it equals 225.

That’s the vetting that matters. All this guilt by association just clouds the issue.

cane_loader on December 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM

That’s an odd excuse for being against Perry’s in-state-tuition plan for illegal immigrants while being for Newt’s amnesty plan for same.

rukiddingme on December 26, 2011 at 12:59 PM

I don’t care if Tanton with CIS is involved with Ahmadinejad. I just care whether the numbers are accurate on Texas job growth vis a vis illegal immigrants. That’s the vetting that matters. All this guilt by association just clouds the issue.

cane_loader on December 26, 2011 at 11:55 AM

I answered this the last time you asked. Here is the same newsarticle from the Texas Tribune, which I stated in my last post is not friend of Perry’s, but they are calling CIS on this report.

http://www.texastribune.org/immigration-in-texas/immigration/immigrants-obtained-more-jobs-texas-natives/

avagreen, just a suggestion:

Your comments filled with bold type are hard on the eyes, and overshadow your arguments. I’ve mean meaning to say this for awhile. You might want to consider dialing it back, to more effectively get your opinions heard. Less is more….

cane_loader on December 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Thanks, cane_loader. The reason I put them in bold type is to differentiate my response from what I was quoting, especially that last long post I answered to whatcat. It was a mess, so I used the bold type to set my answers apart from his.

Regarding the CIS stats, hopefully, you will see the response this time.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Virginia GOP changed the rules midstream this primary cycle. Not good. Taking fire on the internet right now as we speak lol. Check out Osborne vs Virginia pending election lawsuit.

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Great news and a good read, sunshine!

Thanks for the link.

I’ll stay here for a while. The sun needs to shine here more than over at Red State.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM

In fact, sunshine, the whole thread is v-e-r-r-r-y interestink! ;)

Kudos to Moe.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Doesn’t matter when we “blew” in dummy.

Actually, it does, to wit your confession:

HotGas needed fair and balance, as csdevil & her Mittbots couldn’t continue their mindless drool unchecked, or checked by a minimum; Aslans, gopher, twerp, rightman etc.

It’s fine that you’re only here to troll for Perry and are only on Perry threads. However, unlike Redstate folks here have a much wider variety of interests and a great deal more intellectual firepower.
That is where your only experience, Redstate, has not served you well; when you’ve not been exposed to thoughts outside of a dwindling, self-pleasuring circle, you are not prepared for the real world of competing ideas. You place yourself pretty much in the same boat as the Ron Paul fans, reduced to nothing more than attacking people and parroting the same talking points ad infinitum. More’s the pity.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 1:45 PM

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Silly inane thread with zero merit. Nothing you said is even remotely accurate. Get out of the basement once in awhile and start thinking outside of your tiny little box brain. K?

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Those who accuse Perry and Gingrich of incompetence in failing to get on the VA ballot need to know that in previous elections requiring 10k signatures, the signatures were never checked. Any candidate who submitted that many raw signatures was put on the ballot. This explains why large slates of candidates were approved for those presidential primaries. (5 in 2000 and 7 in 2008.)

In this primary the VA GOP began checking signatures because they were sued for not doing so in a currently pending case. Apparently this rule change was announced last month, with the advise to candidates to have at least 15k signatures. Since those who submit at least 15k still do not have their signatures checked, all they effectively did was raise the threshold for automatic inclusion from 10k to 15k. ( a 50% increase.)

I agree that the signatures ought to be checked, but I don’t agree with changing the rules in the middle of the game.

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/12/26/va-gop-changed-ballot-access-rules-last-month/

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/

cheetah2 on December 26, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Those who accuse Perry and Gingrich of incompetence in failing to get on the VA ballot need to know that in previous elections requiring 10k signatures, the signatures were never checked. Any candidate who submitted that many raw signatures was put on the ballot. This explains why large slates of candidates were approved for those presidential primaries. (5 in 2000 and 7 in 2008.)

In this primary the VA GOP began checking signatures because they were sued for not doing so in a currently pending case. Apparently this rule change was announced last month, with the advise to candidates to have at least 15k signatures. Since those who submit at least 15k still do not have their signatures checked, all they effectively did was raise the threshold for automatic inclusion from 10k to 15k. ( a 50% increase.)

I agree that the signatures ought to be checked, but I don’t agree with changing the rules in the middle of the game.

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/12/26/va-gop-changed-ballot-access-rules-last-month/

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/

cheetah2 on December 26, 2011 at 2:04 PM

The problem with all that, cheetah, is according to Erick Erickson at Redstate in 2008 regarding Virginia:
“Romney, Fred, Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Paul all filed over 15,000 signatures each – well above the recommended minimums.”

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 2:21 PM

The problem with all that, cheetah, is according to Erick Erickson at Redstate in 2008 regarding Virginia:
“Romney, Fred, Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Paul all filed over 15,000 signatures each – well above the recommended minimums.”

The problem with that is that no one knows how many of them were valid signatures since they were not checked.

Just curious, how many signatures did Alan Keyes have? He was also on the 2008 ballot.

Bottom line, if the rules had not been changed last month, this thread would not exist, because Perry and Gingrich would be on the ballot today.

cheetah2 on December 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM

cheetah2 on December 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Or Perry/Gingrich could have forged another 5,000 sigs like Romney and exercise the 15k & skate rule

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 2:55 PM

cheetah, my tabs are off today, that quote actually came from Free Republic lol.

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 2:57 PM

The problem with all that, cheetah, is according to Erick Erickson at Redstate in 2008 regarding Virginia:
“Romney, Fred, Rudy, McCain, Huckabee, and Paul all filed over 15,000 signatures each – well above the recommended minimums.”

The problem with that is that no one knows how many of them were valid signatures since they were not checked.

Actually, if you read the Redstate entry I linked to, it complained about the “unprecedented verification process”.

Just curious, how many signatures did Alan Keyes have? He was also on the 2008 ballot.

Don’t know, sorry.

Bottom line, if the rules had not been changed last month, this thread would not exist, because Perry and Gingrich would be on the ballot today.
cheetah2 on December 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Since that’s just a conspiracy theory floated by a blog it has no bearing on the reality of the situation. It is what it is – the Gingrich and Perry camps just failed.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Um not just RS, it’s actually catching fire elsewhere, including FreeRepublic.

Bottom line, 20,000+ are not able to vote for their choice, including the current GOP
“frontrunner”; judges tend to favor voter participation, not voter suppression.

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Um not just RS, it’s actually catching fire elsewhere, including FreeRepublic.

Eh, there’s always some goofy flash in the plan conspiracy du jour at Freep. Meaningless, but entertaining for the a few hours. A day or so later, hardly even a memory.

Bottom line, 20,000+ are not able to vote for their choice, including the current GOP “frontrunner”;

If you can’t find 15,000 people who think you deserve to be on their state ballot, I wouldn’t worry a whole lot about 20,000.

judges tend to favor voter participation, not voter suppression.
sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 3:25 PM

Sorry, but there will be no legal brawl. At least if a candidate wants to avoid being a petty AlGorean sore-loser clone. You learn from your mistakes and you move on, if you’re wise.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Whoah, Perry supporters are still over here whining and throwing around lame conspiracy theories? I kind of feel sorry for these people. It’s like they’re living in fantasyland. Face it, you few dozen Perry supporters, your guy is a flop. His campaign couldn’t even submit the required number of signatures, despite knowing months in advance what the requirements were. If Ron Paul or Mitt Romney had been as incompetent as Perry with these signatures, then you all would be screaming, “rules are rules!”

You Perry people like to call Ron Paul’s (who I don’t even support) supporters names, but I think the truly embarrassing people are those in that dwindling handful of Perry supporters who pathetically continue to hold out hope that Perry will emerge victorious, despite the fact that Perry has been revealed as the emperor with no clothes. Incompetent Perry has shown over and over and over again that he has absolutely no business running for president.

bluegill on December 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM

Perry & Gingrich campaigns collected enough signatures. The rules of verification changed less two months before deadline. No whining here, stating facts. Another fact, Mitt Romney’s name still
synonymous with serial political loser, this Virginia ballot-gate debacle does absolutely nothing to advance his persistent 25%ceiling with voters that he’s enjoyed for the last 5 years. Would love to see Newt Gingrich debate Mitt Romney one on one. Perry too, tor that matter, seems like he’s the only guy on stage that just gets under Mitt Romneys skin causing him to commit forced errors, “Petes sake”, “10,000 bet”.

Yes, the primary stage needs Gingrich and Perry for a while, helps rout out Mitt Romney’s coreless spineless positioning. The guy lacks the social intelligence to get above 25% with the electorate, he is relying on his sizable bankroll and establishment heads to push him down the throats of conservatives that just really don’t like him.

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 4:04 PM

bluegill, is your dog in the race named “Mitt” ? Doesn’t matter. There is a real “hope” out there, 75% to be sure, of the voting electorate that wishes for anybody but Romney, news flash lol

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 4:10 PM

You Perry people like to call Ron Paul’s (who I don’t even support) supporters names, but I think the truly embarrassing people are those in that dwindling handful of Perry supporters who pathetically continue to hold out hope that Perry will emerge victorious, despite the fact that Perry has been revealed as the emperor with no clothes. Incompetent Perry has shown over and over and over again that he has absolutely no business running for president.

bluegill on December 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM

lol!
kettle. pot. black.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 4:27 PM

BTW, girls, with whatcat, any website that doesn’t agree with his idea of what’s correct, is a “conspiracy” website, a “leftist” website, “meaningless” website, etc.

Can’t say it’s not true, cat ;)

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 4:34 PM

Perry & Gingrich campaigns collected enough signatures.
sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Yes, that’s why they made the ballot.

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM

And, this “conspiracy site” reports the problem as the addresses.

Those signature requirements, by the way, were 10,000 signatures including 500 in each of the state’s congressional districts. What apparently tripped up Gingrich and Perry was the requirement that petition signers list their addresses.

A Gingrich campaign official prior to the move by the RPV said the problem is how the rules are set up, arguing that the party is, for apparently the first time, cross-checking the addresses that signature-givers gave against the electronic voter database file for accuracies. A name without a proper address match was tossed, the official said.

“What one needs to ask is ‘what percentage of valid, registered voters self-identify a current address that matches voter rolls that the voter might not have updated since 2008”? Are you 100% certain that your address you and all of your neighbors matches current voter rolls? It strikes me that this is not an accurate means to identify registered voters signing for ANY candidate, not just Gingrich,” the official wrote.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/286645/virginias-gop-primary-ballot-romney-paul-and-thats-it

That be…..National Review website.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 4:44 PM

Soooooo, what this means is that every voter that did not change their address from the 2008 voter rolls has been…DISENFRANCHISED from voting for their guy.

Yeahh…….this is going to the courts.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 4:51 PM

And, Mitt’s going to have to run double time away from this crooked mess to keep from getting a backlash from the rest of the voters in the U.S. His 5-year 25% standing in the polls can’t stand much lower than this.

He needs to man up and stop this by refusing to allow his name to be on the ballot……but then that would Paul as the winner. LOL! What a royal messed up deal. No way Mitt’s gonna win on this…..and all to get on the VA ballot.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 5:00 PM

whatcat on December 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM

And when the VAGOP shamefully reluctantly has to recognize the collected signatures and puts them on the ballot, voters will have real choices on primary day.

sunshinek67 on December 26, 2011 at 5:29 PM

cheetah2 on December 26, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Thank you so much for this info. Makes perfect sense. Now maybe people who keep saying, “Even Alan Keyes figured out how to get on!” will shut up.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM

I’ll stay here for a while. The sun needs to shine here more than over at Red State.

avagreen on December 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM

The Perry Posse on 3 different websites:

At RickPerry.org = “This is home.”
At Redstate.com = “Here is your assignment, now go forth and conquer!”
At HotAir.com = “ENEMY TERRITORY!”

Juuuust kidding. Great folks here at HotGas ;)

louisianapatriette on December 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM

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