Fiasco: Bachmann, Huntsman, Santorum fail to make Virginia ballot

posted at 8:00 pm on December 22, 2011 by Allahpundit

That’s not even the worst part. The worst part is that Perry and Gingrich, either one of whom could still become the Great Grassroots Hope against Romney, might not have qualified either. You need 10,000 signatures to make the ballot but 15,000 are recommended since a bunch are bound to be thrown out as false or duplicative as the petitions are scrutinized. You also need at least 600 signatures from each of Virginia’s 11 congressional districts. Romney submitted 16,026 and Ron Paul submitted 14,361. Perry’s total: 11,911. Gingrich’s: 11,050. If they end up getting bounced, the Republican primary ballot for one of America’s key swing states will consist exclusively of … Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.

You know who that benefits?

Romney was the first Republican presidential candidate to file his petitions. His Virginia campaign chairman, Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling, delivered them on Tuesday. President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign filed earlier this month.

The State Board of Elections will turn over the petitions to the respective political parties for validating. Republican will begin the process Friday morning and have sought volunteers to help with the process…

The parties have until Tuesday at 5 p.m. to tell the State Board of Elections which candidates qualify for the March 6 primary ballot. The order of names will be decided by lottery on Wednesday.

Larry Sabato expects the state GOP will turn a “blind eye” to any signature problems on Perry’s or Gingrich’s petitions. I’ll bet. Question for political junkies, then: How could Bachmann, Huntsman, and Santorum have failed this epically? Is it a simple matter of lacking the resources to put people in the field collecting signatures or is it a sign of deep organizational dysfunction that should rightly disqualify them from the race? Every day, it seems, the bar for the nomination gets pushed a bit lower by the incompetence of someone running, and every day that makes me ever so slightly and grudgingly more open to the idea of nominating Romney. He gets his ballot homework in early; he doesn’t say catastrophically stupid things at the debates; he doesn’t have any racist newsletters to his record. He is, in other words, a minimally capable candidate, which apparently means he’s more capable than anyone else in the field. The one consolation if he wins is that we don’t have to worry about him, say, spacing on the date to file general-election petitions in Florida. Thank heaven for small favors.

Two clips for you, one from Romney’s PAC tearing into Perry and Gingrich and the other, from 1994, of Romney denouncing … attack ads. Have you noticed, by the way, that you never see an ad from Team Mitt laying out Ron Paul for any of the million shady things he’s said in the past even though he’s the frontrunner in Iowa right now? There’s a reason for that, of course, and Perry and Gingrich really, really, really need to start pointing it out soon. It won’t change any minds among the hardcore Paul fans, but not all of Paul’s supporters in Iowa are hardcore. Some are with him because they’re looking for a Not Romney, they like what he has to say on spending and abortion, and they haven’t heard much yet about those newsletters or the fact that, oh, for example, he wouldn’t have given the order to get Bin Laden. Those people need to understand the implications of their vote and Perry/Gingrich can drive it home to them in nine words: A vote for Paul is a vote for Romney. If they’re aware of that and want to vote Paul anyway, that’s fine, but let’s make sure they realize that they actually can choose the nominee this cycle — namely, Romney — with their vote on January 3rd. And they don’t have to vote for Romney to do it.


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Then of course, you all remember this one from 2009, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDOykmey7-I

PhilipJames on December 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM

LOL

idesign on December 22, 2011 at 8:53 PM

PhilipJames on December 22, 2011 at 8:47 PM

Sarah Palin isn’t running, so the dingbats who paid for that commercial will further divide the conservative vote, and thus boost Romney’s chances to get the nomination.

BCrago66 on December 22, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Not a big Romney fan but going after him on account of his faith is contemptible.

troyriser_gopftw on December 22, 2011 at 8:51 PM

I haven’t done that.

My point was that you can make any candidate out as nuts if you want. Romney supporters don’t have a problem calling other candidates stupid and nutty. I just pointed out that Romney believes Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Personally, I think that’s kind of nutty.

Others disagree.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 8:54 PM

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canopfor on December 22, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Watch the Republicans eat themselves alive.

rplat on December 22, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Maybe the establishment wants Romney because they are watching all the other candidates running lousy campaigns, In other words maybe the establishment plans to win next year

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Just like they planned to win in 2008 we all know how that worked out.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 8:56 PM

(Hint! The current MA plan is completely changed then it was when Romney signed it)

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Sure seems like a happy coincidence for Romney.

Romney worked with Ted Kennedy to secure federal subisidies to put the awful plan into play. But I’m sure he knew nothing about that, too. :)

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Every day, it seems, the bar for the nomination gets pushed a bit lower by the incompetence of someone running, and every day that makes me ever so slightly and grudgingly more open to the idea of nominating Romney.

Yep. There’s going to be a run on clothes pins.

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 8:57 PM

canopfor on December 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Sounds like Bachmann, Huntsman and Santorum do not have much if any kind of ground game in Virginia..:)

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canopfor on December 22, 2011 at 8:59 PM

States have the absolute right to control the requirements to get on their ballots. It isn’t the state’s fault the campaigns violated the 7P’s. (Proper Prior Preparation Prevents Pungently Putrid Performance; sanitized for this site)

chemman on December 22, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Ok, I just know that a lot of Republican voters are not going to care about Virginia’s precious requirements. This is a national election here and if they are preventing candidates from getting on the ballot, they will get criticized for it.

I expect all but maybe Huntsman will be on the ballot in the end.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM

canopfor on December 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM
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Sounds like Bachmann, Huntsman and Santorum do not have much if any kind of ground game in Virginia..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Dire Straits:You would think,that these little details,in Virginia,
would of been taken care of!!:)

canopfor on December 22, 2011 at 9:01 PM

The GOP establishment wants Santorum and Bachman on the ballot in Virginia, b/c this hurts Romney if they are kept off.

That’s why they’ll be on there in the end.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Rick Santorum for President anyway.

Rick Perry is an idiot with too many cronies.

exdeadhead on December 22, 2011 at 9:03 PM

Mitt’s just the last guy on the island.

If he’s the last guy on the island it’s because he won all the challanges. You know, like having a competent enought organization to get his name on the ballot. Running for president is hard.:)

bluealice on December 22, 2011 at 9:04 PM

canopfor on December 22, 2011 at 9:01 PM

Yes you would think so..Looks like they are placing their eggs in the Iowa basket..:)

PS..Plus they may not have had no money to spent in VA..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Just like they planned to win in 2008 we all know how that worked out.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Actually the one conspiracy i believe is that they knew they were going to lose, and they decided why not put on that old fool to take the blame, Why waste a Romney or a Rudy for that

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Is it a simple matter of lacking the resources to put people in the field collecting signatures or is it a sign of deep organizational dysfunction that should rightly disqualify them from the race?

It depends on how long the campaigns had to get the 10,000 signatures. If they had, say, 2 weeks, it’s more a resources issue. If they had closer to 4 weeks (or more), it’s more a failure of organization.

The next big potential test of organization after Iowa’s caucus is going to be getting on Wisconsin’s ballot. The bosses of both parties are metting on 1/3 to certify who they think should be on Wisconsin’s ballot, and those who they don’t choose will have from then until 1/31 to get 1,000 signatures in each of the 8 Congressional districts.

Steve Eggleston on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

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i live in va. and will be writing in palin in primaries along with some of my friends.

buck taylor on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

IF Mitt’s the last guy standing,

It will because we don’t have a primary run-off and he benefits from a divided conservative vote. Only way he can win our nomination.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

<

i live in va. and will be writing in palin in primaries along with some of my friends.

buck taylor on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I am Mitt Romney and I approved this message.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:08 PM

It depends on how long the campaigns had to get the 10,000 signatures. If they had, say, 2 weeks, it’s more a resources issue. If they had closer to 4 weeks (or more), it’s more a failure of organization.
Steve Eggleston on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I agree..Thanks for pointing this out..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2011 at 9:10 PM

I notice everything you write is uniformly unpleasantly raw, like a car alarm that won’t shut off, fingernails on chalkboard, the rubbing of balloons. Do your neighbors stop talking when you walk by, give you sidelong glances, give each other knowing looks? How about the kids? Do they single you out for special treatment every Halloween?

Just wondering.

troyriser_gopftw on December 22, 2011 at 8:35 PM

you don’t deserve a response

liberal4life on December 22, 2011 at 9:12 PM

i live in va. and will be writing in palin in primaries along with some of my friends.

buck taylor on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

as will many others….

idesign on December 22, 2011 at 9:12 PM

. You need 10,000 signatures to make the ballot but 15,000 are recommended since a bunch are bound to be thrown out as false or duplicative as the petitions are scrutinized. You also need at least 600 signatures from each of Virginia’s 11 congressional districts. Romney submitted 16,026 and Ron Paul submitted 14,361. Perry’s total: 11,911. Gingrich’s: 11,050.

These are all over 10,000 signatures. I think I will wait to get all we’we’ed up GRIN.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM

That fat-head is very nervous that Romney is going to win the nomination and then the general election. Fat-head’s ratings will be significantly downgraded when a conservative guy is president and a republican congress…what the hell is fat-head going to do…I mean besides take illegal drugs, eat too much, and go through wives faster than Newt Gingrich.

Jailbreak on December 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Now what was that about Romney voters being more intelligent and having world class temperaments?

There’s no way this Jailbreak guy is a bright man. No way.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM

And still we knock the guy(s) who actually had the organization to gather the votes well before deadlines. As if the “qualified” candidates who actually “do” the work are either too squeaky clean or aren’t true conservatives (ie. nutjobs). We’re destroying ourselves and our chances against the SCOAMF

DiscePati on December 22, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Romney attracts a lot of stupid voters like Jailbreak, because they want to be able to say they supported somebody perceived as smart to cover up the fact that they aren’t.

But you can’t hide stupid.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:18 PM

There’s no way this Jailbreak guy is a bright man. No way.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Everything in his post is true, Maybe the language is pretty harsh, But it does not make it untrue,

Yes its a fact, Rush’s ratings go down when a Republican is in office, And therefor it makes perfect sense to criticize Romney everyday, Because he also believes Romney is the strongest candidate

Do i believe it? I am not so sure, But i understand other folks believing that

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 9:20 PM

Romney attracts a lot of stupid voters like Jailbreak, because they want to be able to say they supported somebody perceived as smart to cover up the fact that they aren’t.
But you can’t hide stupid.
Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:18 PM

I love irony.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Perry is 100% toxic per entitlement reform after taking full retirement at 61, in a cushy government job, still on payroll, and trying to hide it.

Word.

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Actually the one conspiracy i believe is that they knew they were going to lose, and they decided why not put on that old fool to take the blame, Why waste a Romney or a Rudy for that

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

That wouldn’t explain any of the money raised and wasted on house and senate seats lost in the same democrat sweep in 2008. The dems didn’t just win control of the white house in 2008 they had control of both the house and senate. No one party plans to leave it’s self completely in the minority. At some point Americans need to vote their best interest not necessarily the same as the ruling class’s best interest.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Second look at Bob McDonnell? George Allen? Anyone-but-Romney?

rogaineguy on December 22, 2011 at 9:29 PM

If they end up getting bounced, the Republican primary ballot for one of America’s key swing states will consist exclusively of … Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.

God Ron Paul!

That’s too bad about Bachmann, she’s my favorite.

FloatingRock on December 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM

Everything in his post is true, Maybe the language is pretty harsh, But it does not make it untrue,

Yes its a fact, Rush’s ratings go down when a Republican is in office, And therefor it makes perfect sense to criticize Romney everyday, Because he also believes Romney is the strongest candidate

Do i believe it? I am not so sure, But i understand other folks believing that

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 9:20 PM

The problemo is Rush rarely talks about Romney other than to criticize him for being wimpy when it comes to things like refusing to call Obama a socialist. He knows Romney perosnally, and has said several times Romney is a nice guy but he doesn’t see how Romney gets around the ROmneycare thing.

You don’t know anything about Rush and radio ratings. He managed to survive 8 years of Dubya and 4 years of Bush Sr.
This notion that he needs a Democrat president to draw ratings has no basis in truth. It’s not like there aren’t other Democrats out there for him to criticize.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Aw…c’mon, you know you want to.

To tell the truth, MB, Santorum, and “Trig” Perry should all three unite behind Anita Perry and hide Rick in an attic before he ruins everything for her.
kunegetikos on December 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Kissie kissie ya’ hatin’ nutball lowlife

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM

…God = go, of course.

FloatingRock on December 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM

I was hoping Huntsman was going to make it onto the Virginia ballot.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Larry Sabato expects the state GOP will turn a “blind eye” to any signature problems on Perry’s or Gingrich’s petitions.

What’s a little election fraud, right? It’s basic shi’ite and a number of candidates have really flubbed it. If the general consensus is that these requirements don’t matter they should get rid of them o make them less onerous. Who decides who gets a pass and who doesn’t?

Looks bad if you are pushing through tougher electoral controls and then avoiding enforcement of your own when they are inconvenient.

lexhamfox on December 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 9:31 PM

I missed that little nugget..wow.just.wow..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2011 at 9:33 PM

I love irony.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 9:24 PM

The irony is that you have no problem with you and other Romney shills acting like jackassses, while at the same time telling us ROmney should be the nominee b/c he has a world class temperament.

If your goal is to persaude conservatives to vote Romney, I don’t see how ad hominem attacks on El Rushbo helps that cause. Good luck with that. :)

The funny thing, Rush hasn’t been tough on Romney, but Romney supporters just assume he has been. I wonder why that is (hint, they know he’s not a conservative).

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:33 PM

Per Rush:

Write in P A L I N

ChuckTX on December 22, 2011 at 8:29 PM

That fat-head is very nervous that Romney is going to win the nomination and then the general election. Fat-head’s ratings will be significantly downgraded when a conservative guy is president and a republican congress…what the hell is fat-head going to do…

Jailbreak on December 22, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Rush seems to have passed his prime. Something is just off with the man recently, ever since about the Hillary-push effort from last election, it’s like Rush has sorta’ blown a fuse.

Lourdes on December 22, 2011 at 9:34 PM

rogaineguy on decenber 22,2011 at 9:29pm

george allen running for senate and bob has 2 more yrs as gov.

buck taylor on December 22, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Just the fact that so many Romney supporters f— hate Rush seems to indicate to me Romnney shouldn’t be our nominee.

Romney attracts conservative haters, not conservatives. I think that’s a problem.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:37 PM

I missed that little nugget..wow.just.wow..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2011 at 9:33 PM

That’s why I showed it. This nutball is full of Perry hatred. More so than the other nutballs.

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 9:37 PM

That’s why I showed it. This nutball is full of Perry hatred. More so than the other nutballs.

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Sad isn’t it..:)

Dire Straits on December 22, 2011 at 9:39 PM

Bachmann runs for president of Israel and the defense industry.

I don’t trust her to be good on economy at home.

ProtectDefend on December 22, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Who did former Perry supporters flock too? If they have a problem with immigration views of Perry, they don’t seem like likely voters for Romney or Gingrich either.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:41 PM

IF Mitt’s the last guy standing,

It will because we don’t have a primary run-off and he benefits from a divided conservative vote. Only way he can win our nomination.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:05 PM

Yeah it will be a shame if Romney ends up winning 25% of the delegates and gets the nomination. I still don’t see that happening though. Watching twitter feed is really interesting. You can actually see so much in nearly real time.

So far, Romney, Newt and Paul are in battle with each other, Perry is just under the radar bashing Obama and throwing jabs at the others while gaining traction. Bachmann is angering people as she’s basically doing a “drive-by” 99 county trip spending about 15 minutes in each location. Santorum is getting some attention with his endorsements, but his last one begged for money before giving it. Huntsman who in Iowa?

The key in Iowa right now is people are looking for someone to rally behind so they feel they aren’t wasting their vote on a loser. This Virgina story will kill Bachmann, Santorum and Huntsman with the voters. Ron Paul is getting hammered now on his newsletters. Gingrich is getting hammered by everyone and will probably end up 3rd or 4th. The liberal wing of Republican is giving Romney his 25%.

That leaves Perry as the only serious candidate left for the voters in Iowa. Look for him to place 2nd or better.

Ronaldusmax on December 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Bachmann runs for president of Israel and the defense industry.

I don’t trust her to be good on economy at home.

ProtectDefend on December 22, 2011 at 9:40 PM

No doubt this guy supports Ron Paul.

The obligatory Israel hattin’ :)

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM

That leaves Perry as the only serious candidate left for the voters in Iowa. Look for him to place 2nd or better.

Ronaldusmax on December 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM

I don’t know man, Republican voters are hellbent on an awesome debater and candidate perceived as “smart”. Perry reminds people of Bush in his debate performances.

I prefer Perry to ROmney and Newt b/c he’s clean on the healthcare issue but it doesn’t seem like he’s going to win it at this point.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM

The bottom line is, if you don’t vote for Obama, it can only be because of the sound of his last name. — Rick Perry

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Now you are reduced to makin’ stuff up?

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 9:47 PM

I’m kind of happy about this, as hopefully Bachmann’s and Santorum’s supporters will back Perry–if they ever hear about this story, anyway.

I think Mark Steyn is right about Gingrich–not a good choice.

So that leaves Perry–not perfect, but he’d have an awful lot going for him in the general.

jazz_piano on December 22, 2011 at 9:51 PM

He is, in other words, a minimally capable candidate..

Minimally capable? No thanks.

shellymic on December 22, 2011 at 9:52 PM

Every day, it seems, the bar for the nomination gets pushed a bit lower by the incompetence of someone running, and every day that makes me ever so slightly and grudgingly more open to the idea of nominating Romney. He gets his ballot homework in early; he doesn’t say catastrophically stupid things at the debates; he doesn’t have any racist newsletters to his record. He is, in other words, a minimally capable candidate, which apparently means he’s more capable than anyone else in the field.

A minimally capable candidate? Wow. And I thought AP had a RINO rep. Well, compared to who..BHO? Hillary? Actually we know quite a bit about Romney. I’ve seen him on the stump via cspan and with Charlie Rose.

Honestly, at this point, with all that we know, How is Romney not our best candidate. The only real argument is that Romney will stab conservatives in the back….but trust me…no one will be or can be the servant of just one part of the electorate

r keller on December 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM

We are doomed…. time for a revolution. Yes, you know what I mean.

MNDavenotPC on December 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM

(Hint! The current MA plan is completely changed then it was when Romney signed it)

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Oh. So Romney is only responsible for creating a Trojan Horse that the liberals could fill full of terrible legislation?

Sure.

So we can conclude that:

1. Romney is the architect of a terrible, government growing mandated healthcare plan that is bankrupting the state (which is federally mandated, so we are all paying for RomneyCare.)

or

2. Romney is the architect of a heavily federally subidized, mandated healthcare system that was the perfect vehicle for libs to fill with terrible legislation that is bankrupting the state.

He is either a big government politico, or is a completely incompetent fool who belongs nowhere near government.

portlandon on December 22, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Now you are reduced to makin’ stuff up?

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 9:47 PM

Perry’s logic. Said it twice in the first debate. You are heartless for not remembering that.

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:54 PM

He is, in other words, a minimally capable candidate, which apparently means he’s more capable than anyone else in the field.

Kinda long for a bumper sticker, especially if you have to squeeze in “Romney 2012″ somewhere. Could you tighten it up a bit?

notropis on December 22, 2011 at 9:55 PM

Who did former Perry supporters flock too? If they have a problem with immigration views of Perry, they don’t seem like likely voters for Romney or Gingrich either.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I don’t know? I am a Perry supporter. I am neutral on Newt. I look at the set field, and only Huntsman looks like he’s viable alternative. He has executive experience, he’s got a conservative record, and he can debate if that’s what’s important to voters (debating skills).

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 9:55 PM

The only real argument is that Romney will stab conservatives in the back….but trust me…no one will be or can be the servant of just one part of the electorate

r keller on December 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Then don’t ask conservatives to vote for the guy who is going to betray what they believe in. We have Boehner and McConnell for that.

sharrukin on December 22, 2011 at 9:58 PM

Just a quick observation: remember when Palin was “dragging her feet” deciding, and folks were freaking out that she had to hurry up to make sure she got on the ballots like all those early announcers were going to do?

Good times, good times…

/s

cs89 on December 22, 2011 at 9:59 PM

You need 10,000 signatures to make the ballot but 15,000 are recommended since a bunch are bound to be thrown out as false or duplicative as the petitions are scrutinized.

The 15,000-signature threshhold (which also comes with a 650-per-congressional-district minimum) is the amount set by the Virginia GOP that will not receive any scrutiny from them.

Steve Eggleston on December 22, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Ya’ know, I usually let nutballs continue to spew their crap, but in this instance, kunegetikos has crossed from being mildly amusing to thinking libel is humor:

The bottom line is, if you don’t vote for Obama, it can only be because of the sound of his last name. — Rick Perry

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM

From terms of use:

We reserve the right to delete your comments or revoke your registration for any reason. Rarely, if ever, will we do so simply because we disagree with you. We will, however, usually do so if you post something that is, in our good-faith opinion, (a) off-topic; (b) libelous, defamatory, abusive, harassing, threatening, profane, pornographic, offensive, false, misleading, or which otherwise violates or encourages others to violate these terms of use or any law, including intellectual property laws; or (c) “spam,” i.e., an attempt to advertise, solicit, or otherwise promote goods and services.

Unless kunegetikos can cite this quote from Perry, I’m pretty sure this qualifies as libelous.

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 10:00 PM

Perry’s logic. Said it twice in the first debate. You are heartless for not remembering that.

kunegetikos on December 22, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Then it ought to be easy enough to find in you aren’t a liar.

cozmo on December 22, 2011 at 10:01 PM

I’ll give it a go, myself:

Romney 2012: Minimally Capable
(But At Least He’s Capable)

notropis on December 22, 2011 at 10:01 PM

“I don’t know? I am a Perry supporter. I am neutral on Newt. I look at the set field, and only Huntsman looks like he’s viable alternative. He has executive experience, he’s got a conservative record, and he can debate if that’s what’s important to voters (debating skills).

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 9:55 PM”

Huntsman a bad candidate. It’ll be tough for somebody from Obama’s adminstration to make a case agianst him. Plus he basiclaly has no name recognition and he’s annoyed conservatives by accusing us of being anti-science b/c of skepticism of global warming and evolution theories.

He’s a case study in how not to run for the Republican nomination. Ron Paul is another.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I don’t know man, Republican voters are hellbent on an awesome debater and candidate perceived as “smart”. Perry reminds people of Bush in his debate performances.

I prefer Perry to ROmney and Newt b/c he’s clean on the healthcare issue but it doesn’t seem like he’s going to win it at this point.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:45 PM

With you Tesla it’s one nugget after another. Newt is an awesome debater and Romney is very smart. And healthcare is not going to be the issue. The economy is going to be the issue and you’re here for the last week going on and on and on about how much you hate the candidate who is strongest on the economy. Strongest by a country mile. But as most of us know, you can’t fix stupid.

And comparing Perry to Bush is a gross insult to Bush.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:03 PM

No doubt this guy supports Ron Paul.

The obligatory Israel hattin’ :)

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM

I think it was in the newsletters ; )

Dawnsblood on December 22, 2011 at 10:08 PM

Huntsman a bad candidate. It’ll be tough for somebody from Obama’s adminstration to make a case agianst him. Plus he basiclaly has no name recognition and he’s annoyed conservatives by accusing us of being anti-science b/c of skepticism of global warming and evolution theories.

He’s a case study in how not to run for the Republican nomination. Ron Paul is another.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:03 PM

I know I was hoping Huntsman would improve, he’s got that arrogant personality thing going on. Confident and cocky isn’t a bad thing but he needs to remember who he wants to vote for him. I have to think his campaign manager is giving him bad advice. It’s easier to give a politic answer than critiquing your own party by labeling them anti science for not agreeing with a “Consensus” that’s not even scientific in the first place.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Dr. Tesla…no offense but you seem to live here…you don’t let people respond before you lob another comment. Please stretch the fingers for a while. I don’t care much for Mitt either, but you seem to spam.

Stray Cat on December 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Wait a second, so does this mean that Bachman, Santorum and Huntsman couldn’t even win the nomination without being on the ballot? Or would that mean they could still win the state if there’s a write-in for them? Just curious. And Rick Perry 2012 :)

Jack_Burton on December 22, 2011 at 10:12 PM

Honestly, at this point, with all that we know, How is Romney not our best candidate.

The only real argument is that Romney will stab conservatives in the back….

but trust me…no one will be or can be the servant of just one part of the electorate
r keller on December 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM

But it’s a brilliant argument because you can’t disprove it. That argument is as unassailable as the one that sooner or later Punchenko, promachus, Vince, portlandon, Tesla, pancakemaker etc will beat their children and wives. You can count on it.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Honestly, at this point, with all that we know, How is Romney not our best candidate. The only real argument is that Romney will stab conservatives in the back….but trust me…no one will be or can be the servant of just one part of the electorate

r keller on December 22, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Gee, is that all? That he’s likely to stab conservatives in the back is but a minor drawback for conservatives in the party that represents conservative values?

Hollowpoint on December 22, 2011 at 10:15 PM

I forgot to add something to mu last comment.

But it’s a brilliant argument because you can’t disprove it. That argument is as unassailable as the one that sooner or later Punchenko, promachus, Vince, portlandon, Tesla, pancakemaker etc will beat their children and wives. You can count on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Dr. Tesla…no offense but you seem to live here…you don’t let people respond before you lob another comment. Please stretch the fingers for a while. I don’t care much for Mitt either, but you seem to spam.

Stray Cat on December 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM

Stray Cat,

Why don’t you post your opinion on politics rather than henpeck me?

Nobody likes a control freak, and how I spend my time is up to me. :)

If I was saying positive things about Romney, you probably wouldn’t be calling it spam. Just a hunch.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Yep. No difference between forcing people to get a vaccine and forcing people to purchase healthcare insurance every month for their entire life.

El_Terrible on December 22, 2011 at 8:21 PM

The difference is in the facts. The people of MA LOVE Masscare.

csdeven on December 22, 2011 at 8:30 PM

A bunch of pinkos are in favor of socialized medicine? Imagine that! Hardly a ringing endorsement for Mittens among conservative voters, is it?

NoLeftTurn on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM

The St Palin the Victimized worshipers are very easily manipulated into playing right into the hands of Romney. In one fashion or another, create the appearance that she is being unfairly attacked and her worshipers will grab their torches and pitchforks (along with their rent money) and rush to her aid. Her greatest value to them is when she is being “victimized” by the evil mean GOP establishment and LSM. They erroneously believe that everyone licks the boots of St Palin the Victimized and therefore will all coalesce around her. In reality, only about 15% will vote for her. And with less than 10% support for each of the other candidates, the vote is split and Romney walks away with the nomination.

Romney, you magnificent 8astard!!

lol

csdeven on December 22, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Hardly a ringing endorsement for Mittens among conservative voters, is it?

NoLeftTurn on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM

It wasn’t an endorsement. It was simply a response to an apple and oranges comparison.

csdeven on December 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM

And comparing Perry to Bush is a gross insult to Bush.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:03 PM

If you say so. Bush set the stage for Obama in my view.

Both Bush and Perry are likeable as people, both are not conservative on immigratio and both are seen as inarciulate bad debaters. Both are former governors of Texas.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM

My point was that you can make any candidate out as nuts if you want. Romney supporters don’t have a problem calling other candidates stupid and nutty. I just pointed out that Romney believes Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. Personally, I think that’s kind of nutty.

Others disagree.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 8:54 PM

I happen to believe a Jewish carpenter from an obscure province of the ancient Roman empire was the son of God born of a Virgin, that He performed actual miracles, that He was executed by the Romans and rose from the dead and then–after a month or so–literally ascended into Heaven in front of witnesses.

Otherwise, I’m a fairly rational sort.

troyriser_gopftw on December 22, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Why don’t you post your opinion on politics rather than henpeck me?

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM

I disagree with most of what you say (so far), but I support you 100% here. If they can’t respond to the merits of a comment, you are basically adding to what you are complaining about. That was for you Stray cat.

csdeven on December 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Is anyone still not clear that elections are nothing more than pro wrestling? We only have the dog and pony show to humor the “electorate”. The election is already decided. They’re barely even pretending it’s otherwise.

Dan_Yul on December 22, 2011 at 10:26 PM

(which is federally mandated, so we are all paying for RomneyCare.)

or

2. Romney is the architect of a heavily federally subidized, mandated healthcare system that was the perfect vehicle for libs to fill with terrible legislation that is bankrupting the state.

He is either a big government politico, or is a completely incompetent fool who belongs nowhere near government.

portlandon on December 22, 2011 at 9:54 PM

I have seen that talking point forever, And i find it interesting that if you had the time to look up how much the government subsidies Romneycare you sure had the time to look up how much the government subsidies every damn state,

Who pays for the free health care that everyone gets if you are in the emergency room by any chance?? It is divided between the state and the federal government, In MA case because they have the best doctors etc.. the cost is more then in every state in the nation,

What Romney did was asking the federal government to redirect the money that they gave for MA (and STILL give for every other state) for helping them pay free emergency care, to help with the new health care program, So instead of trying to argue time and time again that MA health care is subsidized by the federal government, it would help if you mention that EVERY state gets the same subsidy

IF you have read the Obama care bill, AND have read the Romneycare bill, I would have liked the opportunity to debate with you why it is not the same, But from your comments i gather that you never actually read the bill, You just know that they both have a mandate, therefor its the same!!!!!! So why bother explaining something to someone who isn’t really interested in an explanation?

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Despite Romney supposedly being much smarter and more slick than theh rest of the field, he still needs a divided conservative vote to win. The field is considered weak in terms of executive experience with only Perry having more experience.

Romney’s a weak candidate or he would have wrapped this up a long time ago. I mean, Cain was leading him in the polls just a few weeks ago. You have some guy come out of nowwere to take a lead over Romney.

I tendd to think a good candidate with Romney’s money could have wwrapped this up.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:28 PM

There is a gigantic, multi-vortex split in the GOP right now. But I think it’s a good thing. It’s healthy. Or it’ll destroy the party as Limbaugh said.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 22, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Gee, is that all? That he’s likely to stab conservatives in the back is but a minor drawback for conservatives in the party that represents conservative values?

Hollowpoint on December 22, 2011 at 10:15 PM

Honest question, Romney runs in 2008 as a conservative, And then witnesses how the most moderate candidate in the field wins,

So if you are Romney and you plan to actually win in 2012, do you run as a conservative and lose? Or you run as the true moderate and you win (as it seems right now)

After all, running as a conservative in 08 didn’t do him any good, And we all know Romney really wants to win, so why not run as a moderate?

I can’t blame him for following a strategy that seems to work very often,

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Hardly a ringing endorsement for Mittens among conservative voters, is it?

NoLeftTurn on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM

It wasn’t an endorsement. It was simply a response to an apple and oranges comparison.

csdeven on December 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM

It’s apples and oranges alright. If I have to choose between a guy who is the architect of the prototype for Obamacare and the guy who isn’t, it’s not much of a contest. For me or any other conservative voter.

NoLeftTurn on December 22, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Gee, is that all? That he’s likely to stab conservatives in the back is but a minor drawback for conservatives in the party that represents conservative values? Hollowpoint on December 22, 2011 at 10:15 PM

You probably think that accepting the view of The Heritage Foundation (which since got dumbed down) that the individual mandate was a conservative solution to the freeloading problem (and it is) stabbed you in the back?

Why is this worse than requiring people who are already paying their share to pay extra taxes to cover the costs of the freeloaders?

That’s a liberal solution to the problem of the freeloaders. Make the responsible (most of whom would be conservatives) pay for the health care costs of the freeloaders (most of whom would be liberals).

The GOP is truly the party of stupid. Not just at the top but from top to bottom. The Party of Stupid vs The party of The Insane.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:36 PM

I happen to believe a Jewish carpenter from an obscure province of the ancient Roman empire was the son of God born of a Virgin, that He performed actual miracles, that He was executed by the Romans and rose from the dead and then–after a month or so–literally ascended into Heaven in front of witnesses.

Otherwise, I’m a fairly rational sort.

troyriser_gopftw on December 22, 2011 at 10:24 PM

The problem with this sort of retort is that I don’t claim that there are not a lot of weird claims in all religions. I’m also not a Christian at this point in my life.

My point was simply that Romney supporters like to to suggest anybody not Romney is a nutjob and stupid.

I can’t help but tweak people like that by pointing out Romney believes Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God.

I never seen a Romney supporter actually make the case that his belief in Joseph Smith as a prophet is not stupid and/or nutty.

I’m not telling anybody to not vote ROmney because he’s Mormon. I’m making a case that anybody can be called stupid and nuts and I’m tired of Romney supporters dumping on the other candidates.

I have a theory that one of the reasons MItt is so insecure and coy about his politics is he’s insecure about being a Mormon. He does the moderate thing b/c he doesn’t want the media to mock his Mormonism. I think it’s why he says he beleives in global warming, wants to be seen as a man of science because he knows Mormonism is seen as a fringe religion.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:36 PM

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 8:44 PM

Well-said.

G’nite…

Buy Danish on December 22, 2011 at 10:38 PM

What was competent about RomneyCare. It’s been a disaster.

Romney fans never want to talk about that.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Stop lying about Romneycare. Romney had to do it because it was Reagan’s fault!
/

El_Terrible on December 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Reagan??? Romneycare/Obamacare were based on a book written by Richard Nixon

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-romney-worked-to-reassure-liberals/2011/11/02/gIQAookxgM_story.html

Romney came up with Romneycare and pushed it through all by his little lonesome. He was, however, in “good company” as one of the supporters of the individual mandate was Poppy Bush (hmmmmm look who came out for Romney today)….. Gingrich, Hatch, etc.

oh… and only 20% in MA were unable to afford insurance so this was not a huge need, especially when you consider the 20% probably qualified for medicaid…….

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/romneycare-making-a-fool-of-every-republican-it-touches-since-2006/

No different than how he promised to help with gay marriage, not overturn abortion in MA and worked on environmental restrictions in MA…….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-romney-worked-to-reassure-liberals/2011/11/02/gIQAookxgM_story.html

Rapunzel on December 22, 2011 at 10:38 PM

A lot of the time when people say “The GOP is the Party of Stupid” what they really mean is that conservative voters are not suppporting Romney or whoever their preferred candidate is.

I like to think Republican voters can be charitable enough to disagree on who the best candidate is without hating each other. It is Christmas, afterall.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:39 PM

Dr. Tesla…no offense but you seem to live here…you don’t let people respond before you lob another comment. Please stretch the fingers for a while. I don’t care much for Mitt either, but you seem to spam.

Stray Cat on December 22, 2011 at 10:10 PM
Stray Cat,

Why don’t you post your opinion on politics rather than henpeck me?

Nobody likes a control freak, and how I spend my time is up to me. :)

If I was saying positive things about Romney, you probably wouldn’t be calling it spam. Just a hunch.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Why don’t you post your opinion on politics rather than henpeck me?

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM
I disagree with most of what you say (so far), but I support you 100% here. If they can’t respond to the merits of a comment, you are basically adding to what you are complaining about. That was for you Stray cat.

csdeven on December 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM

You remind me of a seagull, Dr. Tesla, and unlike Stray Cat, I will offend. Your comments are not much better than what splatters out of that seagull.
Now, csdeven, you have gone batsh*t crazy lately. Maybe you should stop flying so close behind Dr. Tesla. And, Palin would have made a great candidate. So, there, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on December 22, 2011 at 10:39 PM

There is a gigantic, multi-vortex split in the GOP right now. But I think it’s a good thing. It’s healthy. Or it’ll destroy the party as Limbaugh said.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 22, 2011 at 10:32 PM

You just described the Democrats strategy for Obama’s reelection. They must divide the Republican’s support so Obama can win on a smaller margin of support.

There’s a lot of republicans taking their eye off the ball.

Dr Evil on December 22, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Despite Romney supposedly being much smarter and more slick than theh rest of the field, he still needs a divided conservative vote to win. The field is considered weak in terms of executive experience with only Perry having more experience.

Romney’s a weak candidate or he would have wrapped this up a long time ago. I mean, Cain was leading him in the polls just a few weeks ago. You have some guy come out of nowwere to take a lead over Romney.

I tendd to think a good candidate with Romney’s money could have wwrapped this up.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:28 PM

More nuggets. Tesla is a weak commenter or he would support the winning candidate.

Basilsbest on December 22, 2011 at 10:42 PM

rickyricardo on December 22, 2011 at 8:27 PM

EXCELLENT! ROFLMAO

FLconservative on December 22, 2011 at 10:43 PM

Gee, is that all? That he’s likely to stab conservatives in the back is but a minor drawback for conservatives in the party that represents conservative values?

Hollowpoint on December 22, 2011 at 10:15 PM

c

I’m making a simple point. Most presidents have to govern a real country…I remember well the “Let Reagan be Reagan” complaint of the right. Presidents have to be Presidents. So they will make part of their base unhappy.

I think Romney will govern from a center right world view. He will incur the wrath of conservatives. The founders in their genius made this county’s political system complex and sluggish. This was sheer genius. And the result is slow moving political structure.

BHO wants rapid change to the left. I want rapid change to the right…but I know that the first step must be taken…and hopefully in 10 or 20 years we’ll be in great shape…again

r keller on December 22, 2011 at 10:43 PM

I can’t blame him for following a strategy that seems to work very often,

OrthodoxJew on December 22, 2011 at 10:32 PM

I don’t think I’ve seen a candidate start as a moderate and refuse to move even inch to the right in the Republican primary.

McCain moved to the right in the primary in 2008, but he still had to put Palin on his ticket to generate some enthusiasm.

Right now Romney has less support and enthusiasm than McCain did pre-Palin. I think if he would do simple things, like call Obama a socialist with confidence, he’d do himself a world of good.

I think if he had ran the same kind of campaign as he did in 2008, plus throw RomneyCare under the bus, he would be in much better shape than he is right now. I think it’s a huge mistake for him to make moderation a mountain to die on in a Republian primary in which needs conservative support.

Dr. Tesla on December 22, 2011 at 10:48 PM

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