Paul in January: Say, that Bradley Manning is a patriotic, heroic kind of guy, isn’t he?

posted at 2:05 pm on December 21, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

This clip has been making the rounds last night and today, but it’s not new — it’s actually from a clip featured by Wikileaks, for obvious reasons, last January. Still, it’s not as if the parameters of the Bradley Manning case have changed significantly in the last eleven months, or at least not in any way that mitigates Manning’s alleged crimes. The enlisted soldier transmitted a vast trove of classified government communications, primarily diplomatic cables but also some internal military information, and sent it to Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks. Jazz Shaw has a good update on the case on the front page today, for those who haven’t followed it closely. Bear in mind that Ron Paul wants to become Commander in Chief, which raises all sorts of questions about how a President Paul would safeguard classified information:

So if we have an American citizen, and he’s willing to take it, uh, take the consequences and practice civil disobedience, say “This is what our government’s doing!” Should he be locked up and in prison? Or should we, you know, see him as a political hero? Maybe he is a true patriot who reveals what’s going on in government.

We’ve heard that a lot from Manning’s apologists, that he’s a true hero and not a criminal, but this is absurd on many levels.  First, the disclosures didn’t pertain to some objectionable course of action that Manning couldn’t abide; he released everything he could grab to Assange and Wikileaks regardless of the topic involved.  There was no discrimination at all.  That’s not the profile of a whistleblower, but it does fit the profile of someone harboring a grudge, and wanting to lash out only to inflict damage.

Next, as anyone who has held a clearance can attest — and I’ve held a few myself — a clearance doesn’t give one the right to declassify information.  Anyone who has a clearance knows exactly what consequences will follow from exposing classified material, regardless of the reasons for the disclosure.  Furthermore, as anyone who has held a clearance also knows, processes exist to communicate violations of the law or ethics discovered in classified material.  Those processes include using your own chain of command, contacting an Inspector General’s office — or even contacting a member of Congress, like Ron Paul himself.   The options most certainly do not include passing classified material to journalists, American, Australian, or otherwise.  There is no evidence at all that Manning ever tried any other option — because Manning is nothing more than a disgruntled nut, not a whistleblower of any kind.

Besides, if Paul thinks Manning was “willing to take the consequences,” why not just let him?  The consequences of deliberately stealing and exposing classified material are a long prison sentence and a pretty miserable life.  That’s because exposing classified material isn’t “civil disobedience.”  It’s theft and espionage, a difference one would presume that a Congressman and a man who wants to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate would know.

Finally, consider the fact that the responsibility for protecting classified material lies with the executive branch — up to and including the President.  Paul’s declaration that we should be celebrating a man who deliberately exposed that material because of the supposed eeevil done by the American government sounds like a man who’s more interested in his own paranoid fantasies than he is in conducting the duties of the Commander in Chief.  The clip may be a year old, but there’s no reason to think that Paul has gotten a year wiser.


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15 minutes are up Ronnie

cmsinaz on December 21, 2011 at 2:08 PM

I’m not a Paul supporter, but I doubt this sways anyone. Everyone knows his views. Since 2008 they have known. They just dislike every other candidate more, and so they are willing to vote for Paul.

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Paul is a flaming ass.

rplat on December 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

This ought to be an interesting thread..

Talon on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Paul is a complete embarrassment to the Republican party. I sumbit, I will vote for Gingrich, Romney or Santorum at this point. Words I never imagined typing.

LawnGnomeFanFirst on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Someone convince me that Ron Paul actually likes this country.

Defenestratus on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

*submit

LawnGnomeFanFirst on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I want to know how many Paul supporters would vote Obama if the choices were Obama v. some GOP candidate that isn’t Paul.

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I’m still in the Draft Jim DeMint column.

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Batsh!tcrazy Signal – Activate

D-fusit on December 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM

The old Crank needs to retire.

portlandon on December 21, 2011 at 2:11 PM

I kinda respected the guy before… I hate him now.

Glenn Beck, eat your deeply researched heart out.

beatcanvas on December 21, 2011 at 2:12 PM

I want to know how many Paul supporters would vote Obama if the choices were Obama v. some GOP candidate that isn’t Paul.

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I probably would. O has done more for Conservatives than anyone else in the field can.

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:12 PM

The old Crank needs to retire.

He is, he isn’t running for congress again.

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Keep the Ron Paul hit pieces coming, your desperation is a signal of his success.

rndmusrnm on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Logboy on December 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM posted this link earlier, and everyone should check it out. The article ends with a

P.S. to the Paul supporters.

Saying NU-UH, doesn’t make the facts above go away.
Shouting, “LIAR!” – doesn’t make the facts above go away.
Giving a link to a Ron Paul denial doesn’t make the facts go away.

Shouting neocon, shill, warmonger, hit piece, or any other word in your vocabulary, doesn’t make the above facts go away.

Saying this is old news, doesn’t make the above truth go away. If a candidate for president built wealth for two decades off of being racist, voters deserve to know.

Saying this was debunked years ago, doesn’t make the truth above go away. The above facts debunk any supposed debunking from Ron Paul.

Sitting there and spouting off any other rhetoric while you ignore the evidence, does not make the evidence go away.

Calling this a joke or an act of desperation does not make the above facts go away.

Spewing a quote about how racism is about collectivism doesn’t make the above facts untrue.

Calling the evidence bogus doesn’t make the newsletters go away. Plus if you say these are all bogus, then you’re calling Ron Paul’s denial bogus too! How could he blame a ghost writer for writing something that never happened?

Saying the first person language and the presence of Ron Paul’s name doesn’t prove a thing, shows you’re clearly biased. Ron Paul defended his newsletters in 1996. Showing that he was involved and did know about them. Combine that with his actual name and first person language in them, pretty much shows he did write them. Making the presence of his name and first person references inconsequential, is laughable at the least.

Paul supporters may ask, “How is this any different than someone going off and publishing a newsletter in your name?” It is very different. First, Ron Paul started a company called Ron Paul and Associates. The newsletters were printed under the umbrella of that organization. Ron Paul profited from the newsletters. Ron Paul defended the newsletters. Ron Paul’s name, signature and first person references are found in the newsletters he defended. This is much different than some random person somewhere just starting a newsletter in someone’s name without their consent or permission.

Sitting there asking for evidence, when the evidence is right there and is all over the place, makes you look very insincere in your demands for evidence. Oh and that doesn’t make the above evidence go away either.

Saying Ron Paul forcefully denied the racist newsletters, followed by a link to a Youtube video, does not negate the facts above. Politicians lie all the time. Look at the evidence, not his words. Yes Ron Paul can lie. He’s not the messiah. He’s not perfect. He’s not pure. The evidence shows he is clearly lying. I don’t care how forcefully he denies it. Nixon forcefully said he wasn’t a crook. Clinton forcefully said he didn’t have sexual relations with that woman. Politicians lie.

Referencing African Americans supporting Paul, does not negate the facts above. Ron Paul said in his newsletter that 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions. Those backing him would be viewed as the 5%. Well what about the other 95%?

You can’t negate the above evidence, facts and truth by demanding we find a video or tape of Ron Paul using such language. We see how Ron communicates when he thinks no one else is looking. First of all, it’s laughable for a Paul supporter to act like they take evidence in to consideration. Paul supporters are putting on a guise when they demand video or audio proof. The guise is that they actually care about evidence in the first place. The evidence provided in the newsletters is enough. To ignore this evidence, shows us you would ignore any video or audio evidence if it were presented. Once again, any demand for evidence from a Paul supporter is merely a guise. They don’t care about proof in the first place.

Stating, “That’s all you have?” – does not negate the facts above. Honestly, that’s the standard Paulbot reply to any evidence against Ron Paul. I could have a video of Ron Paul gang raping infants, and the standard Paulbot reply would be, “That’s all you have?” In Paulbot land facts don’t matter and the only facts they have are the delusions they conjure up from spammed online poll wins and rants off the Alex Jones show.

Akzed on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

LawnGnomeFanFirst on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

You know, you don’t have to vote.

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I’m not a Paul supporter, but I doubt this sways anyone. Everyone knows his views. Since 2008 they have known. They just dislike every other candidate more, and so they are willing to vote for Paul.

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

So what you are saying is that all of Ron Paul’s hardcore supporters have read his News Letters, and in the full knowledge that Dr. Ron Paul is a full on Anti-Semitic Racist and Conspiracy nut, they choose him over everyone else because they dislike everyone else enough to throw their lot in with a full on Anti-Semitic Racist and Conspiracy nut….

Wow…. That is one hell of a lot of dislike……..

SWalker on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

OH gads, paul might give our national secrets to the wsj or other news to leak as president? This man is scary beyond belief in his way of thinking! It appears to me paul might sell the US down the tube as bho has?
L

letget on December 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Someone convince me that Ron Paul actually likes this country.

Defenestratus on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Good luck. I’m still waiting for one of his supporters to convince me how a guy who says WE (not terrorists, not insurgence, just WE) killed 100,000 1,000,000 Iraqis and who blames us for all the world’s problems is the “one tr00 patriot”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Someone convince me that Ron Paul actually likes this country.

Defenestratus on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I’m at a loss. The guy is a disgrace. Santorum said it well with the interview with Ed, that RuPaul is to the left of Obama on national security!

Honestly if it was RuPaul vs Obama, I don’t know what I’d do.

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM

Akzed on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Thank you, more eloquent than I could ever be.

D-fusit on December 21, 2011 at 2:15 PM

You know what we should do?
Make this guy Commander-In-Chief of the most powerful military force on earth.

/

Jimmy In Jersey on December 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM

You know who else Ron Paul thinks is a hero? Hitler.

The Notorious G.O.P on December 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Keep the Ron Paul hit pieces coming, your desperation is a signal of his success.

rndmusrnm on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

So then by your logic, when all the “hit pieces” of were on this site, it means that was sure to become a success in the primaries.

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

If Ron Paul didn’t have “Rep” in front of his name, and “M.D.” behind it, people would just treat him the escaped mental patient that he is.

RBMN on December 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Keep the Ron Paul hit pieces coming, your my desperation is a signal of his your success.

rndmusrnm on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

fify

idesign on December 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Good luck. I’m still waiting for one of his supporters to convince me how a guy who says WE (not terrorists, not insurgence, just WE) killed 100,000 1,000,000 Iraqis and who blames us for all the world’s problems is the “one tr00 patriot”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 21, 2011 at 2:14 PM

What’s even worse is the dishonesty too. They ignore the fact that Saddam was giving acid baths and torture chambers.

I had a Paulbot in my 912 group last night try to tell me that we are actually at fault for WWII (due to the Treaty of Versailles) and that FDR baited the Japanese into attacking us!

These people really should be in straight jackets!

As long as this clown doesn’t run third party!

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

What’s even worse is the dishonesty too. They ignore the fact that Saddam was giving acid baths and torture chambers

Um, so why aren’t we taking over half of Africa?

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Classified usually means embarassing, in government speak. LOL I’m not a fan of wikileaks, but you can’t kill Manning for following his conscience. I love how this is an issue. It’s hilarious actually that they’re trying to get traction from this. The GOP is like a mad orangutan picking up it’s own feces and flinging it in Paul’s direction.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Paulbot: “This is all just propaganda put out by the mason’s, the prior of scion, the Illuminati, the new world order, and the Mormon’s to discredit Dr. Paul in his quest to save the nation.”

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

most of RPs supporter agree with most of his views…because they from the left. To me, there’s every evidence that a sizable part of this support is leftists…the only question in my mind is how much of his money is from the left….i mean barry/soros would luv a third party that gets 5 to 7 percent of the votes (the conservatives who are tricked…obviously, the leftists will vote for barry)

r keller on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

So what you are saying is that all of Ron Paul’s hardcore supporters have read his News Letters, and in the full knowledge that Dr. Ron Paul is a full on Anti-Semitic Racist and Conspiracy nut, they choose him over everyone else because they dislike everyone else enough to throw their lot in with a full on Anti-Semitic Racist and Conspiracy nut….

Wow…. That is one hell of a lot of dislike……..

Exactly. They truly know everything about the man. I’m always shocked at Paul supporters, they even know the life story of one of his bodyguards. Seriously, they know about the mans bodyguard! That is a cult of personality that makes me sick. They have sites devoted just to him. He has a following not unlike Obama’s. But, I will admit that Paul supporters know everything about his positions where as Obama’s peeps don’t.

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Keep the Ron Paul hit pieces coming, your desperation is a signal of his success.

rndmusrnm on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

You really thing Bradley Manning is a hero?

He should be shot!

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Um, so why aren’t we taking over half of Africa?

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Ummmm because Africa doesn’t have falafels?

SWalker on December 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM

I’m not a Paul supporter, but I doubt this sways anyone. Everyone knows his views. Since 2008 they have known. They just dislike every other candidate more, and so they are willing to vote for Paul.

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

When everyone else doesn’t look good, go for the guy who lauds traitors.

ProfessorMiao on December 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Akzed on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Best.Comment.Ever……regarding Ron Paul.

I may have to steal that;-)

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM

I want to know how many Paul supporters would vote Obama if the choices were Obama v. some GOP candidate that isn’t Paul.

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

From what I’ve seen, a good deal of them make the claim they will. They are a selfish lot, that’s for sure. I also believe a lot of the “moonbats” from the left are also a large part of his constituency, coupled with the anti-Semites, troofers, young angry white males with low IQs and some, who are just easily suckered by “Ron Paul believes [insert anything here, whether honest or not] to get the gullible to jump on board.”

BruthaMan on December 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM

“Following his conscience”?!?!?!?!
He committed treason and Ron Paul thinks that’s heroic. The level of idiocy is incredible.

Jimmy In Jersey on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

I probably would. O has done more for Conservatives than anyone else in the field can.

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Well, his first term has. Rush has made the same point that Obama has done more for conservatism than anyone since Reagan in terms of mobilizing the base and providing a clear contrast of ideas. Have you been paying attention to the amount of things Obama has been pushing to 2013 though? If he wins again, “scorched earth” doesn’t begin to describe what his approach will be to dissent. Being conservative won’t mean much in the reeducation camp.

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

And Yet Ron Paul is still a better choice than Romney or Newt, IMO. He’s the only one with a plan to balance the budget in a reasonable period of time and the only one I believe actually means it instead of just pandering for votes.

But I would prefer somebody in between Paul and Bachmann personally. I’m not thrilled with Ron Paul mainly due to his foreign policy, but on the other hand on a lot of other issues he is by far better than the other candidates.

And most importantly he is not part of the socialist/corporatist establishment of corruption.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

After Ron Paul defeats Obama and becomes the 45th President of the United States of America I hope he pardons Bradley Manning if this show trial finds him guilty of something. Ron Paul and Bradley Manning are patriots standing up against big government. Some people don’t want to live in a police state or under a military dictatorship.

Peace

Bill Hicks on December 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Why does he remind me of a cartoon guy I’ve seen?
I used to sort of like this guy on domestic stuff, but he’s getting like my 14 year old lab…getting worse as the years go by.

KOOLAID2 on December 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Ron Paul… putting the function into dysfunctional.

ajacksonian on December 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Classified usually means embarassing, in government speak. LOL I’m not a fan of wikileaks, but you can’t kill Manning for following his conscience. I love how this is an issue. It’s hilarious actually that they’re trying to get traction from this. The GOP is like a mad orangutan picking up it’s own feces and flinging it in Paul’s direction.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

And it also usually contains state secrets and sensitive national security info. But I guess to a Paulbot like you, who cares about that right??

This disgrace of a soldier released everything he could get his hands on.

For RuPaul to defend him is yet another of the countless reasons why RuPaul is unfit to be President.

The question is, will you sit at home or vote for Obama (he is to the right of RuPaul on foreign policy).

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Although the reasons behind their anti-American hatred are different, it is often hard to distinguish between Ron Paul and obama, and in a head-to-head contest, it would be hard to decide who is the lesser evil.

Most Americans want a president who loves America and wants the best for our country – most Americans have had enough of people like obama and Ron Paul who have a bizarre personal agenda which is in direct opposition to all that is good about America.

Pork-Chop on December 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM

“WwwweeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEE are the prObLem….!” – Ron Paul

Seven Percent Solution on December 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM

But I would prefer somebody in between Paul and Bachmann personally. I’m not thrilled with Ron Paul mainly due to his foreign policy, but on the other hand on a lot of other issues he is by far better than the other candidates.

Become a delegate to the National convention and “Draft Jim DeMint”

Politiceaux on December 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Ron Paul is a primitive screwhead.

jaime on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

“Following his conscience”?!?!?!?!
He committed treason and Ron Paul thinks that’s heroic. The level of idiocy is incredible.

Jimmy In Jersey on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Treason in who’s eyes? Treason is a very subjective term. Obamacare was treason yet the people who voted for it haven’t suffered any legal ramifications for it. This NDAA reauthorization was treason. Why aren’t those offenders in jail while Bradley Manning is Public Enemy #1? Soldiers aren’t robots last I checked.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

I had a Paulbot in my 912 group last night try to tell me that we are actually at fault for WWII (due to the Treaty of Versailles) and that FDR baited the Japanese into attacking us!

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM

Oh I bet that was comedy GOLD! Some paulbot was on a few days ago talking about who we (the US) put a puppet government into North Korea and wondered when we were going to go back to war with NoKo.

Shocking isn’t it.

upinak on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

And Yet Ron Paul is still a better choice than Romney or Newt, IMO. He’s the only one with a plan to balance the budget in a reasonable period of time and the only one I believe actually means it instead of just pandering for votes.

But I would prefer somebody in between Paul and Bachmann personally. I’m not thrilled with Ron Paul mainly due to his foreign policy, but on the other hand on a lot of other issues he is by far better than the other candidates.

And most importantly he is not part of the socialist/corporatist establishment of corruption.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

There won’t be any domestic issues to worry about if we’re all dead!

When are you going to understand that???

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Classified usually means embarassing, in government speak. LOL I’m not a fan of wikileaks, but you can’t kill Manning for following his conscience. I love how this is an issue. It’s hilarious actually that they’re trying to get traction from this. The GOP is like a mad orangutan picking up it’s own feces and flinging it in Paul’s direction.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Just wow. Spoken like someone who obviously never had a security clearance, access to classified information, and is really clueless about the entire subject.

And indeed, we actually can kill Manning for “following his conscience” because he violated his oath to keep classified information secure and that violation cost innocent lives…in fact, when you get a clearance you’re told up front what will happen to you if you break your clearance.

But apparently, only in Ronulan world do actions not have consequences, whether it’s releasing classified data, diving jets into office buildings, or making a few million bucks from writing racist screeds.

JohnTant on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Did you know that Ron Paul is nuts..and I mean nuts nuts? He is.

Mimzey on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

This country is so messed up that anything but a drastic change isn’t going to do anything. We’re better off letting Obama finish us off instead of Mitt Gingrich.

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Dr. Paul never said that! This video is doctored and has Ben Bernanke’s fingerprints all over it!

Dr. Paul rEVOLution ’12!1!!!

Punchenko on December 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM

I want to know how many Paul supporters would vote Obama if the choices were Obama v. some GOP candidate that isn’t Paul.

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

They won’t vote for Obama or the Republican Nominee. They will vote for Paul or Johnson as Libertarian candidate, thereby insuring an Obama win.

It’s over. My guess is Obama 46%, Romney 43%, Libertarian X – 9%.

Our only real hope is that the house stays in Republican control. A bonus would be that the Senate turns over.

oldroy on December 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Paul is a flaming ass.

rplat on December 21, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Gingrich Perry Romney Bachmann Huntsman Santorum Gingrich is a flaming ass.

Ron Paul is a scary wackjob.

I just wanted to clear that up ;D

Laura in Maryland on December 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM

I certainly hope we can add this to the racist rock, bimbo eruptions, and Guardasil induced retardation, list of Things Which Started a Candidate’s Long Slide to the Bottom.

Lily on December 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Wonder what Judge Nap over at Foxnews has to say now about his hero.

KBird on December 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Although the reasons behind their anti-American hatred are different, it is often hard to distinguish between Ron Paul and obama, and in a head-to-head contest, it would be hard to decide who is the lesser evil.

Most Americans want a president who loves America and wants the best for our country – most Americans have had enough of people like obama and Ron Paul who have a bizarre personal agenda which is in direct opposition to all that is good about America.

Pork-Chop on December 21, 2011 at 2:23 PM

THIS!!! + 1,000,000

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Ron Paul… putting the function into dysfunctional.

ajacksonian on December 21, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Maybe so but he’s still better than a big-gov authoritarian that supports unconstitutional mandates and so forth. Freedom is better than tyranny, the hell with the rest of the world.

I would rather compromise with somebody in between but the Republican Party doesn’t want to compromise and in fact seems to be trying to out Obama Obama.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

And Yet Ron Paul is still a better choice than Romney or Newt,
FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Wow…. Just plain Wow, Dr. Paul, a documented unrepentant Anti-Semitic Racists and Conspiracy Theorist is in your opinion a better choice than Mitt or Newt.

SWalker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Just wow. Spoken like someone who obviously never had a security clearance, access to classified information, and is really clueless about the entire subject.

And indeed, we actually can kill Manning for “following his conscience” because he violated his oath to keep classified information secure and that violation cost innocent lives…in fact, when you get a clearance you’re told up front what will happen to you if you break your clearance.

But apparently, only in Ronulan world do actions not have consequences, whether it’s releasing classified data, diving jets into office buildings, or making a few million bucks from writing racist screeds.

JohnTant on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

You just outlined why I refused to join the military. I pulled out at the last second because I didn’t feel like being assimilated into the criminal Hive Mind. You sound like you’d advance very high with the Third Reich.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Wonder what Judge Nap over at Foxnews has to say now about his hero.

KBird on December 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM

FoxBusiness actually. Still if they had any decency they’d throw that 9/11 troofer off the air!

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Punchenko on December 21, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Actually, he never said Manning was a hero. He was just ASKING if he’s the true hero is standing up against the secrecy of our gov’t who takes away our liberties everyday even after Paul admitted he should be prosecuted.

It’s just really bad optics to mention Bradly Manning and ‘hero’ in the same sentence.

Notorious GOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Treason in who’s eyes? Treason is a very subjective term. Obamacare was treason yet the people who voted for it haven’t suffered any legal ramifications for it. This NDAA reauthorization was treason. Why aren’t those offenders in jail while Bradley Manning is Public Enemy #1? Soldiers aren’t robots last I checked.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Thats just silly. If you can’t see why, explaining it would be a waste of time.

Mimzey on December 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM

I want to know how many Paul supporters would vote Obama if the choices were Obama v. some GOP candidate that isn’t Paul.

Kataklysmic on December 21, 2011 at 2:10 PM

I actually have friends who are such Ron Paul supporters that they will gladly go ‘Glenn Beck’ instead of voting for the GOP nominee and instead vote for Paul if he runs 3rd party, no matter how much they “say” they hate Obama. A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for Obama.

justjulie20 on December 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Wow…. Just plain Wow, Dr. Paul, a documented unrepentant Anti-Semitic Racists and Conspiracy Theorist is in your opinion a better choice than Mitt or Newt.

SWalker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Liar

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Granted the Wikileaks did a lot of harm. But they did starkly expose Hilary as a clumsy, imprudent Secretary of State.

TXGOP on December 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Thats just silly. If you can’t see why, explaining it would be a waste of time.

Mimzey on December 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM

No it isn’t silly. There are two sets of rules in this country, if you aren’t blind.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Ron Paul is weird.

therightwinger on December 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM

You just outlined why I refused to join the military. I pulled out at the last second because I didn’t feel like being assimilated into the criminal Hive Mind. You sound like you’d advance very high with the Third Reich.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Your tin foil hat is crooked.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM

You just outlined why I refused to join the military. I pulled out at the last second because I didn’t feel like being assimilated into the criminal Hive Mind. You sound like you’d advance very high with the Third Reich.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

You are so persuasive.

The problem with your claim is that your mom not buying you a copy of Call of Duty doesn’t count as “almost joining the military.”

So you’re now on record as having no idea what you’re talking about vis a vis classified information. Thanks, that was easy.

JohnTant on December 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Cynthia McKinney/Bradley Manning 2012!

Fezzik on December 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM

SWalker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Your vitriol aside, yes I would vote for nutty small-gov candidate before I will vote for another big-gov progressive that wants to let the generational theft continue in order to buy votes thus continuing the destruction of our once great nation.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM

No it isn’t silly. There are two sets of rules in this country, if you aren’t blind.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Oh, I’m not blind. Ron Paul advocated two sets of rules for 13 year olds, depending upon the color of their skin. is that what you meant?

JohnTant on December 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Treason in who’s eyes? Treason is a very subjective term. Obamacare was treason yet the people who voted for it haven’t suffered any legal ramifications for it. This NDAA reauthorization was treason. Why aren’t those offenders in jail while Bradley Manning is Public Enemy #1? Soldiers aren’t robots last I checked.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

It’s called the UCMJ and it’s very specific of what is concidered “treason”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Wonder what Judge Nap over at Foxnews has to say now about his hero.

KBird on December 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Judge Nap is a bit off the wall too imo. Its the blindness of a specialist.

Mimzey on December 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Treason in who’s eyes? Treason is a very subjective term.
Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Wrong. Treason is a very specific legal definition. Even Manning’s lawyers are not arguing that Manning did not commit treason, instead they are arguing that the Army was stupid to have trusted Manning not to commit treason.

SWalker on December 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM

You just outlined why I refused to join the military. I pulled out at the last second because I didn’t feel like being assimilated into the criminal Hive Mind. You sound like you’d advance very high with the Third Reich.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

You seem more suited for Hamas, Hezbollah, or Al Queda. You guys all agree: it’s always Americas fault and those Jews don’t deserve to exist!

LevinFan on December 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Ron Paul is weird.

therightwinger on December 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM

He’s a weirdo that tried to warn America about the housing bubble when he ran for President in ’08 and Romney and the other candidates laughed at and ridiculed him.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Dante hardest hit.

The Count on December 21, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Liar

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:29 PM


Paul says friendship best way to deal with Iran.

Yeah, calling someone a liar when even Yahoo has this on their news cast. Keep trying.

upinak on December 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM

At a Christmas party last night, I learned that my hubby’s partner is a Ron Paul supporter and his wife is an Obama supporter. I thought they were kidding… Ooops! LOL

Grrrr…

Fallon on December 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_1220925.pdf

i don’t know if this has made it yet into HA…head to head barry/mitt…mitt slightly ahead. Throw in Gary Johnson and he gets 9 percent…and puts Obama ahead

D+6 sample of Registered Voters

r keller on December 21, 2011 at 2:34 PM

If you don’t want Paul to win the Iowa Caucus, Mitt Romney is the only hope to defeat him. Everyone else is too far back to knock him out.

BradTank on December 21, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Queda just called for Pitchforker, they say they are looking for a few gullible idiots, call them back at the Suicide hotline.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on December 21, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Giving any information that benefits the enemy is treason.

I can’t believe I actually have to explain this.

Jimmy In Jersey on December 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Ron Paul’s foreign policy is frightening…I don’t want him anywhere near the whitehouse..heck, he’s too close to it where he is now..shouldn’t even
be in congress anymore

sadsushi on December 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

We are heading into nasty, crazy times, that’s for sure.

If you need to get the lay of the land, might as well put someone a bit disjointed into office as the time for a working government to ‘help’ the Nation are long gone.

I only agree with RP on a limited subset of his ideas, mostly around the Fed and size of government.

That’s it.

If he is nominated it will be a sea change in US politics unlike any other ever seen in this Nation or perhaps any Nation. To get that far will require so much support that its not funny. The entire Establishment cohort of the Republican Party would array itself against him, thus doing the equivalent of disbanding the party.

I doubt that will happen… but then I’m notoriously without vision on these things as I doubted the D’s would be insane enough to nominate Obama. And I know better than to expect sanity from political party members at this point.

ajacksonian on December 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM

ed, 99% of the time we agree. but this thing you have about ron paul is disgusting.

standupandbecounted on December 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Mitt Romney is the only hope to defeat him. Everyone else is too far back to knock him out.

BradTank on December 21, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Sadly, that’s not a good enough reason to vote for Mitt either but, good try.

Fallon on December 21, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Ron Paul supporters are truly of a different breed. There are some issues where he and I are on the same page but on others he is just plain fringing whacky.

SC.Charlie on December 21, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Keep the Ron Paul hit pieces coming, your desperation is a signal of his success.

rndmusrnm on December 21, 2011 at 2:13 PM

In other words, don’t believe your lying eyes?
The traitor’s release of those documents could have (may have) endangered my Sons on the battlefield. So Ron Paul can go straight to hell as far as I’m concerned.
I’d love a chance to square off with the old bat saying those things today.

JusDreamin on December 21, 2011 at 2:37 PM

upinak on December 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM

You’re moving the goal post. The other guy made unsubstantiated charges of racism, anti-Semitism, not Iran.

FloatingRock on December 21, 2011 at 2:37 PM

You just outlined why I refused to join the military. I pulled out at the last second because I didn’t feel like being assimilated into the criminal Hive Mind. You sound like you’d advance very high with the Third Reich.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Nothibg has really changed for you….

You have been assimilated into the hive mind of the truly deranged.

idesign on December 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM

At a Christmas party last night, I learned that my hubby’s partner is a Ron Paul supporter and his wife is an Obama supporter. I thought they were kidding… Ooops! LOL

Grrrr…

Fallon on December 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM

Birds of a feather.

The Count on December 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM

It’s called the UCMJ and it’s very specific of what is concidered “treason”.

DethMetalCookieMonst on December 21, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Yes. And this points to something VERY troubling.

Last cycle Paul was very big on saying the Constitution only recognizes certain crimes, treason being one of them. The implication was that there are no federal crimes aside from those mentioned specifically, but now there’s something deeper….

How addled is Ron Paul that, even as he admits that treason is a “legitimate” crime, he would refuse to prosecute a very clear cut case of it? Moreover, that refusal would stem because Ron Paul personally agrees with the traitor? How is that at all consistent with the picture the Ronulans paint of a proper Constitutional system…?

JohnTant on December 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM

You are so persuasive.

The problem with your claim is that your mom not buying you a copy of Call of Duty doesn’t count as “almost joining the military.”

So you’re now on record as having no idea what you’re talking about vis a vis classified information. Thanks, that was easy.

JohnTant on December 21, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Keep up with the ad hominems. Conservatives are supposed to be the free thinkers in our society. The left was the herd, or so I thought. Conservatives are not supposed to be operate like robots and follow every hairbrain order without question and that includes sitting on disturbing “CLASSIFIED” Intel. Clearance be damned if American citizens will be directly or indirectly hurt.

That is the moral dilemma that faces all enlisted men. Order and trust are critical in shaping a formidable fighting unit, however this compulsion for secrecy can be destructive as well in that it enables malice within.

Pitchforker on December 21, 2011 at 2:39 PM

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