EPA officially releases Utility MACT rule

posted at 4:40 pm on December 21, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Ah, transparency. Clearly concerned to achieve maximum visibility, the Environmental Protection Agency officially released a whopper of a rule the Wednesday before Christmas. How kind of environmental officials!

This afternoon, the EPA announced regulations that will require power plants to reduce emissions of mercury and other toxics within the next three years. In other words, the rule targets coal-fired power plants. Sure, coal is a “dirty” form of energy and, yes, it is a fossil fuel, but, unfortunately, these regulations will cost the country too much to justify.

According to Scott Segal, the director of the Electric Reliability Coordinating Council, this rule — commonly known as the Utility MACT rule (MACT stands for “maximum achievable control technology”) — is the most expensive air rule the EPA has ever proposed in terms of direct costs.

“Utility MACT will undermine job creation in the United States in several different ways,” Segal explained. “It will result in retirement of a significant number of power plants and either fail to replace that capacity or replace it with less labor-intensive forms of generation.  It will increase the cost of power, undermining the international competitiveness of almost two dozen manufacturing industries, and it will reduce employment upstream in the mining sectors.  All told, it is anticipated that the rule will result in the loss of some 1.44 million jobs by 2020.  While some jobs are created by complying with the new rule, the number and quality of those jobs is far less than those destroyed.  We estimate that for every one temporary job created, four higher-paying permanent jobs are lost.”

The EPA has tried to mitigate the outcry against this rule by including a so-called “safety valve” provision in the rule. Ordinarily, the Clean Air Act (under which the Utility MACT rule falls) mandates that plants comply with the regulations within a three-year time frame. Understandably, some plants might not be able to upgrade within that allotted span — and too many shutdowns could affect electricity reliability. The “safety valve” provision allows up to five years for compliance.

But this doesn’t actually address the reliability question. Why? Plants won’t know up front whether they qualify for the extra year or two. Instead, they’ll have to attempt to upgrade in the first three years — and then, if their best attempts to meet the requirements fail, they can apply for extra time to comply. In the process, they’ll spend millions of dollars and still potentially face a shutdown. It wouldn’t be surprising if plenty of plants opted to shut down right away, rather than risk wasting three years attempting to meet the requirements only to be denied extra time and shut down in the end. Whether a plant qualifies for extra time will be solely up to the discretion of EPA officials, anyway.

Look, we all want clean air and we all want affordable, reliable energy. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive, but EPA officials need to be cognizant of what’s feasible for industry. The Utility MACT rule has been delayed and delayed because industry representatives have legitimate concerns about the industry’s ability to comply. The timing of the imposition of the rule doesn’t change that it’s unrealistic. The EPA would be better served by going back to the drawing board and writing a realistic rule in the first place, rather than continually attempting to impose these ill-advised and costly regulations.


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I would hate to be living in New york City or Los Angeles when the full effect of this “rule” comes into play.

Johnnyreb on December 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

This will be nixed before Obama’s plane lands back in Chicago on January 20th, 2013.

HopeHeFails on December 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM

I will cause coal electric prices to skyrocket and put the coal industry out of business if elected. Obama keeps his anti american promise and puts coals in yhe stockings of the 99%.

eaglewingz08 on December 21, 2011 at 4:46 PM

Why write a realistic rule when no one will stop you from dcing crap like this? Maybe after the election the house could grow a pair and defund the EPA but somehow I doubt that would happen.

Sultanofsham on December 21, 2011 at 4:46 PM

That I hate this is not too strong a feeling…

golfmann on December 21, 2011 at 4:47 PM

It is unbelievable what the EPA is doing. Even more incredible is that the Congress is doing nothing about it, this shouldn’t be a partisan issue, it’s common sense.

whbates on December 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Next they’ll go after Rearden Steel.

fogw on December 21, 2011 at 4:52 PM

This is how the Republicans are messing up the economy to prevent Obama from being re-elected. /

Nothing like leftist dogma to make this administration stupid…

WhatNot on December 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM

Whether a plant qualifies for extra time will be solely up to the discretion of EPA officials, anyway.

And that’s the entire point. It has nothing to do with clean air. The EPA’s purpose in all endeavors is to force the bourgeoisie to kneel and kiss the rings of the nomenklatura. “Clean air” and “global warming” and “endangered species” are nothing more than useful pretexts.

Fabozz on December 21, 2011 at 4:53 PM

I think if these folks keep this up… they will some day experience an American “Arab Spring”!

KOOLAID2 on December 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM

we all want clean air and we all want affordable, reliable energy.

We have clean air and clean water. We no longer need the EPA.

woodNfish on December 21, 2011 at 4:58 PM

The EPA is turning us into a 3rd world nation. No one has the guts to stop it!

Coal is necessary to power their plug-in cars that they want to zip around in. Has anyone told them that?

justjulie20 on December 21, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Well Barry did say that under his stewardship, electrical rates would SKYROCKET. Just add those folks to the unemployment line. I’m sure Nancy-poo will rave about how their spending will stimulate the economy.

Too bad those companies don’t shut down about 1 month before the next elections. That will greatly swell the numbers voting for THE ONE. Right?

GarandFan on December 21, 2011 at 5:00 PM

Midnight Ambush on Christmas Eve!

Great Timing on the release, EPA! When may we expect you to testify to Congress?

CiLH1 on December 21, 2011 at 5:02 PM

The EPA is turning us into a 3rd world nation. No one has the guts to stop it!

Coal is necessary to power their plug-in cars that they want to zip around in. Has anyone told them that?

justjulie20 on December 21, 2011 at 4:58 PM

You have to have a brain to understand such a nuance.

whbates on December 21, 2011 at 5:03 PM

workin’ in a coal mine going down, going down workin’ in a coal mine oops I’m gonna slip down

well that’s going to free up a lot of labor in VA,KY,OH and PA. Ought to take care of that swing state issue and all.

Now everybody knows why the dems ceded their legislative power to the EPA. They think not having to vote on this gives them cover.

DanMan on December 21, 2011 at 5:05 PM

Why don’t the states in which these power plants operate work together with the power plants to devise a strategy to do absolutely NOTHING.

Tell the federal government to pound sand, and forbid them from persecuting or prosecuting power company executives. Give them immunity, guaranteed by the state.

Then force the federal government to justify its unconstitutional bureaucratic usurpation of the legislative process, and dare them to take the power plants off line, leaving millions without electricity.

Nothing short of the drastic action described here will turn back the beast that our government has become.

IronDioPriest on December 21, 2011 at 5:06 PM

what is wrong with the nuclear industry standard ALARA, as low as reasonably achievable?

smitty41 on December 21, 2011 at 5:07 PM

IronDioPriest on December 21, 2011 at 5:06 PM

or just shut them down and wait for the response, what’s the start-up time for a typical coal plant? coupla days?

DanMan on December 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM

Wasn’t this an Obama campaign promise?
Why yes it is. He promised to bankrupt the coal industry, And no one really knows why. But he hates American energy production.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

pat on December 21, 2011 at 5:09 PM

i’m not a big fan with strikes and/or lock outs but I think it is time. If I were a CEO of an electric company I would immed lock out all the workers and close down every power plant I owned. I would place the entire sector that relies on my electricy into a blackout and I will not open my doors until the EPA recinds this rule. And I would set my power plants to become non operational if the gov attempts to seize control of said power plants. Let the people be without electricty for the years it will take to build new power plants and see how long Obama and the dems last.

unseen on December 21, 2011 at 5:11 PM

“Middle class” “working families” hardest hit by Democrat policies – again.

forest on December 21, 2011 at 5:13 PM

But don’t worry, BO is fighting to save you $40 in your paycheck for a couple of months. Pay attention to that.

forest on December 21, 2011 at 5:14 PM

I have come to believe that America is finished. We are spiraling downward into a totalitarian third world state and no one has the ability to stop it.

clippermiami on December 21, 2011 at 5:14 PM

When the EPA completes their work, night-time Sat-pix of North America will show the USA resembling North Korea.
But, some of us will know where we can find stuff to light the darkness with: The 1%!

Another Drew on December 21, 2011 at 5:15 PM

brown out and black outs…..I believe Obooobo, Cass Sunstein and his cast of merry men do indeed take the next step in closing down even more coal plants. Won’t let us start the Keystone pipeline. We can’t drill off shore or onshore.

But we’ll be “Brazil’s best customer” UGH

CoffeeLover on December 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM

But wait – this is goood, really it is. Don’t forget that by Queen Nancy’s logic – putting 1.4 million people on government unemployment payments is GOOD for employment…. don’t you see???? It’s so obvious…. Her logic is undeniable (bad I, Robot reference)… /s

dentarthurdent on December 21, 2011 at 5:17 PM

If only there was a way to steer the coming brownouts to the s**thole inner cities that elect the trash responsible for this new rule.

Two birds with one stone and all…

MNHawk on December 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM

We’re the party of the poor and the middle class and we’re the only ones who are working every day to create jobs and put money in the pockets of those hardest hit by the economic downturn – Democrat Party

Charlemagne on December 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM

I know quite a few people in work in the energy industry – selling it and making it. They all said the same thing – that prices are going to be going up dramatically for electricity consumers for the foreseeable future.

They’re already taking 2 major stations offline early next year, round here. And there will be more taken offline. Supply issues are a very real possibility.

Hopefully the GOP can stop this after 2012. Otherwise we are all going to get a lot poorer, which I guess will really mean POTUS ‘WON’.

CorporatePiggy on December 21, 2011 at 5:19 PM

“I will cause electricity rates to unnecessarily sky rocket.”

BHO

Gunlock Bill on December 21, 2011 at 5:21 PM

I’d like to see certain power plants that fedd Wash DC be the first to shut down. Put out the lights at the WH, Capitol Hill, and EPA headquarters (for starters) and let’s see how they react.

dentarthurdent on December 21, 2011 at 5:22 PM

Pat wrote concerning Obama: “He promised to bankrupt the coal industry, And no one really knows why. But he hates American energy production.”

Perhaps it’s not American energy production he hates. America like any industrial nation runs on energy. Targeting energy is the fast path to crippling America and punishing us for our sins.

Nomas on December 21, 2011 at 5:22 PM

The global apocalypse on December 21, 2012 is just one year away. The EPA is doing it’s part, I guess.

SlaveDog on December 21, 2011 at 5:23 PM

The masses will be ignorant to the dems destroying this nation – UNTIL – their TV sets get shut off because of electricity shortages.

Then the pitchforks will be wielded and the molotov cocktails will be flying like a swarm of locust in the air.

NapaConservative on December 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

what is wrong with the nuclear industry standard ALARA, as low as reasonably achievable?

smitty41 on December 21, 2011 at 5:07 PM

That’s a goal imposed on itself by the industry, not a moving goalpost set by a by an unelected, unchecked bureaucracy.

whbates on December 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Electricity rates will skyrocket, jobs will be cut, more poor people will be created.

Everything is going according to plan. Soon, the communist democrats will have their nation of serfs while they live in luxury as kings and queens.

The only upside, if you can call it that … is “liberals” will feel the pinch as well.

darwin on December 21, 2011 at 5:28 PM

“Republicans need to remind all Americans that Obama is the reason that their electricity bills have increased so much over the past few years. ”

But only if we can get the seven mentally challenged dwarfs to step back from their urinating contest they are having with each other and focus on the real problem. I begin to wonder just how stupid these GOP people are. Stop fighting over the pigeon droppings from the WH. Focus on the economy, do you really want a Pyrrhic Victory ?Let the 2 month tax go, they will not be able to implement anyways. Way to go, squabble over nothing and then get painted as against the American taxpayer. Anybody else tired of the GOP version of King of the Mountain? All the debates from now on should be how Obama has failed to fix the economy and what you would do to fix his stupid policies.

stormridercx4 on December 21, 2011 at 5:30 PM

States to the EPA “Screw you and your unconstitutional diktats!”

Charlemagne on December 21, 2011 at 5:35 PM

In the past, my eyes would burn and turn red when I drove into the Los Angeles basin. That is no longer the case . The air and water in this country is cleaner than it has been in the last 80 years.

The EPA is no longer about protecting the environment.

It is about power and control.

MichaelGabriel on December 21, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Even if this rule is nixed, California is still under its own energy mandates beginning January 1. Again, we are the canary in the mine. It’s going to be ugly, and you will be able to see your future. I bet they will turn off air conditioners rather than supply more electricity in the next heat wave.

PattyJ on December 21, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Count on your taxes to increase to help the poor pay their utility bills.

Charlemagne on December 21, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Eliminate the EPA.
Eliminate the Dept. of Education.
Repeal ObamaCare.
Drill Here. Drill Now.
Get rid of every Executive Order Obama sign.
Give GM back to the people.
Repeal Dodd/Frank.
Eliminate the TSA and turn security back over to the airports.
I would also strongly support eliminating Homeland Security. It seems more concerned about targeting and monitoring American citizens than anything else. Eliminate it. It’s not needed.
Audit the Fed.
Make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
Secure our borders.
Prosecute and jail all of those involved in Fast and Furious.

And one more new Federal law I would support.
Mandatory training on our Bill of Rights and individual freedoms for all who enter any type of law enforcement. Whether it’s the local sheriff or FBI. The training must be given by a private organization selected by local leaders. If the FBI agent lives in Dallas.. he gets his training from the community where he resides. If the local WalMart cop lives in Twin Fork, he gets his training where he lives and resides.

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head. A good first step for the next GOP President.

JellyToast on December 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

whbates on December 21, 2011 at 5:25 PM

my point exactly, this isn’t about anything but the destruction of capitalism and the forced acceptance of a move to a Marxist state

smitty41 on December 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Have we really become this weak and disengaged? Can the average John Doe really not see what is happening with this nation?

Or, is John Doe indoctrinated beyond return to believe that this is the future?

NapaConservative on December 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM

my point exactly, this isn’t about anything but the destruction of capitalism and the forced acceptance of a move to a Marxist state

smitty41 on December 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

I understand but there are many, many people on this site that have zero concept of ALARA. What is sad is that people really have no idea of how much this will cost, not the industry but the public (rate payers). Decisions on plant construction takes years and the effect is long lasting.

whbates on December 21, 2011 at 5:49 PM

J Napalitano has her hand in grannies bloomers while Jackson has her hand in grannies purse.

.

seven on December 21, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Have we really become this weak and disengaged? Can the average John Doe really not see what is happening with this nation?

Or, is John Doe indoctrinated beyond return to believe that this is the future?

NapaConservative on December 21, 2011 at 5:46 PM

It is amazing to me how oil has become this dirty horrible thing. They act like it was invented in a lab by a mad corporate scientist. Oil should be celebrated, especially if you are an earth loving environmentalist type. Oil is as natural as a peach or an apple. It’s just sitting there in the ground, created by mother earth herself, truly a miracle liquid in every sense.

JellyToast on December 21, 2011 at 5:53 PM

I wonder what will happen to the sacred electric car business when electricity zooms up to $1.00 per KWH???

landlines on December 21, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Lysenkoism is a useful reminder of how leftist societies fail:

Isaak Izrailevich Prezent, a main Lysenko theorist, presented Lysenko in Soviet mass-media as a genius who had developed a new, revolutionary agricultural technique. In this period, Soviet propaganda often focused on inspirational stories of peasants who, through their own canny ability and intelligence, came up with solutions to practical problems. Lysenko’s widespread popularity provided him a platform to denounce theoretical genetics and to promote his own agricultural practices. He was, in turn, supported by the Soviet propaganda machine, which overstated his successes and omitted mention of his failures. Instead of performing controlled experiments, Lysenko claimed that vernalization increased wheat yields by 15%, solely based upon questionnaires taken of farmers.

Following the disastrous collectivization efforts of the late 1920s, one of USSR’s greatest agricultural problems during the 1930s was that many peasants were thoroughly unhappy with the collectivization. Lysenko’s ‘new’ methods were seen as a way to make peasants feel positively involved in an ‘agricultural revolution’. The party officials believed that peasants planting grain — for whatever reason — was a step in the right direction and a step away from the days when peasants would destroy grain to keep it from the Soviet government. Academic geneticists could not hope to provide such simple and immediately tangible results, and so were seen as politically less useful than the charlatanism of Lysenko.

On August 7, 1948, the V.I. Lenin Academy of Agricultural Sciences announced that from that point on Lysenkoism would be taught as “the only correct theory”. Soviet scientists were forced to denounce any work that contradicted Lysenko’s research.[3] Criticism of Lysenko was denounced as ‘bourgeois’ or ‘fascist’, and analogous ‘non-bourgeois’ theories also flourished in other fields in the Soviet academy at this time

The whole business of green, and how the little people can make a difference is strikingly similar. The suppression of failures and jubilation over a few ‘successes’ is striking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

r keller on December 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Why don’t the states in which these power plants operate work together with the power plants to devise a strategy to do absolutely NOTHING.

Tell the federal government to pound sand, and forbid them from persecuting or prosecuting power company executives. Give them immunity, guaranteed by the state.

IronDioPriest on December 21, 2011 at 5:06 PM

This. It’s time for the states to stand up and tell the fed “no mas”. If the fed retaliates by withholding funds (because of the federal income tax on individuals, the states have lost a great deal of leverage), the states should escalate by withholding any funds headed to the fed.

AZfederalist on December 21, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Say what you want, but Dear Leader Obama is only looking after our interests when he enacted this precious piece of regulation.

Thank you, Dear Leader.

timberline on December 21, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Pretty soon none of us middle class folk will be able to afford to heat/cool our homes. And I live in TX, summers will be lovely. /s

Even though Obama spelled it out –that utility costs would necessarily skyrocket under his plans. Unfortunately, the dimwits that voted for him didn’t believe him or weren’t paying attention.

JennM111 on December 21, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Manufacturers and private citizens will have to buy generators, as in 3rd world countries. And those generators will not be anywhere NEAR as clean as the coal plants are now.

Loved the LA

theCork on December 21, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Loved the LA riots? Wait for the repeat when blackouts become the norm.

theCork on December 21, 2011 at 6:12 PM

You mean, no more Monday Night Football?

BKeyser on December 21, 2011 at 6:16 PM

And the rest of the world has their own (lack of) standards while they benefit (once again) from USa making their air cleaner.

You’re welcome.

stick on December 21, 2011 at 6:21 PM

PattyJ on December 21, 2011 at 5:38 PM

I am glad I moved off grid 3 years ago. I don’t have to worry about skyrocketing electric costs and it speeds up my payback.

Charlemagne on December 21, 2011 at 5:40 PM

That one would have an affect on my limited budget.

chemman on December 21, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Tina,

Coal is not a fossil fuel. Fossil fuels do not exist.

joshlbetts on December 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM

The city where I live: middle of the country, 100,000 population – plus a university and 2 private colleges [with their populations]; two university hospitals [large]; one [large] cancer hospital; one city-hospital [large]; one VA hospital [large]; one physical/neurological rehab hospital/facility.

Add to the above all of the houses, apartments, public schools, colllege dormatories, in-city small business enterprises [plumbers, electricians, building contractors, etc], malls [around 6], industrial facilities such as IBM, 3M, Schneider Electric, Quaker Oats, USPS distribution center, regional airport, nursing homes/hospice centers – etc, and stores, stores, stores.

All pretty typical for a city of its size. But all of it…ALL of it…with electricity supplied by municipal coal-burning power plants.

So what happens to this city – and all the others – in 3 years? If it’s not in compliance, and not “approved” for an extension – does Obama’s “civilian security force as large and as well-funded as the military” come in, shut the power plants down, and distribute vouchers for us to stock up on plumbers’ candles?

I suppose they’ll figure out some kind of less drastic solution before then, right? It IS a university city – you know, LIBERAL LACKIES en masse. I suspect rationing will enter into this scenario: registered liberal Obie-socialists will have power full-time; houses and any other buildings flying the American flag will have power only between 1:30 AM – 3:30 AM.

That’s not a feeble joke. A few years ago the democrat mayor/city council here came *this* close to installing the system wherein the city would have computerized control of thermostats and water supply/and/heaters.

And the Republican House? Well, at least they’re jumping up and down, screaming and yelling on our behalf, demanding Obama adhere to the Constitution….oh…they’re not…??

Well – Nov. 2012 is coming for them, also.

Grammiecracker on December 21, 2011 at 6:33 PM

Ya – I can’t say that I’m overly impressed with Republican “leadership” lately. They seem to be caught up too much with trying to smack the trivial liberal red herrings the Dems keep throwing out to distract everyone’s attention from the major fiascos they’re trying to quietly impose on us. However, it is difficult to get your message out when most of the media is in the tank for The O.

dentarthurdent on December 21, 2011 at 6:44 PM

Why don’t the states in which these power plants operateworktogether withthepower plants to devise a strategy to do absolutely NOTHING.

Tell the federal government to pound sand, and forbid them from persecuting or prosecuting power company executives. Give them immunity, guaranteed by the state.

Then force the federal government to justify its unconstitutional bureaucratic usurpation of the legislative process, and dare them to take the power plants off line, leaving millions without electricity.

Nothing short of the drastic action described here will turn back the beast that our government has become.

IronDioPriest on December 21, 2011 at 5:06 PM

I like your style!

Naturally Curly on December 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM

Tina,

Coal is not a fossil fuel. Fossil fuels do not exist.

joshlbetts on December 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Amen…and it’s not dirty either, carbon dioxide is plant food, not pollution.

Will the GOP be smart enough to use the blackouts next summer when the A/C goes on as election year ammo??………………………………….never mind……

DMartin on December 21, 2011 at 6:54 PM

Even if this rule is nixed, California is still under its own energy mandates beginning January 1. Again, we are the canary in the mine. It’s going to be ugly, and you will be able to see your future. I bet they will turn off air conditioners rather than supply more electricity in the next heat wave.

PattyJ on December 21, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Yup. Californians will be the first to learn first-hand the meaning of “survival of the fittest” as they “adjust” to the marxist energy mandates. That will be especially so in Northern California, where it does get cold. Just fanning with a piece of paper had some cooling effect in hot weather. Where it’s cold, however, there will be competition for materials that can be burned to provide heat. You know – trees, brush, your roof shingles, your house siding… your living room furniture.

The rest of the country will be taking notes as to whatever creative heating methods Californians come up with. Trouble is – so will Barry and his EPA, and then next on their list will be banning matches and lighters.

Grammiecracker on December 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM

Next up, the ban on all fracting, drilling in the US. Coal mining is OK, since the coal will be shipped to China to fire its many coal power plants.

After the Dems finish destroying the US power grid, there will be no country left. The Dem dream of absolute power will come to pass.

Friendly21 on December 21, 2011 at 7:00 PM

However, it is difficult to get your message out when most of the media is in the tank for The O.

dentarthurdent on December 21, 2011 at 6:44 PM

True, dat!

Grammiecracker on December 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

So how much mercury should these power plants be allowed to emit?

Wondering,
Peter

inklake on December 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM

We’re already seeing the consequences of this in Colorado. Xcel Energy is looking for approval of a rate increase, to cover costs (both real and anticipated) to comply with the new regulations.

JellyToast on December 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

If you want to get rid of the EPA, or fulfillment of any of the rest of your laundry-list JellyToast, then you better be in the tank for Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate in the running that has the “stones” to do any of it.

realitycheck on December 21, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Now, if Palin was in the running…

NapaConservative on December 21, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Reigning in this crap was in HR 3630 that passed the House and was pissed on in the Senate. The Senate didn’t vote on or discuss the bill but passed the Reid-McConnell 2 month extension amendment which gutted 2/3 of HR 3630.

marinetbryant on December 21, 2011 at 7:22 PM

They won’t be happy until all of us are riding horses, them they’ll complain about all the horsesh*t!

vietvet68 on December 21, 2011 at 7:38 PM

They will have to pass more mandates and shut off all but street lights,traffic lights,homes and inside businesses that are open at night.No outside advertising lights on signs,malls,stores or electric car dealerships.And no more Christmas lights.

docflash on December 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Look, we all want clean air and we all want affordable, reliable energy. The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive, but EPA officials need to be cognizant of what’s feasible for industry.

You’re forgetting Cloward-Piven, not to mention Marx-Engels.

One stage of human history doesn’t move into the next peacefully.

The interesting thing is the hypocrisy of the Communists that believe Marx and Engels…they were always more than willing to “nudge” it along purposely, even though they can find no individuals or groups who did so in the pre-Capitalist stages of history (and this impatience included Marx and Engels themselves!).

So, all we’ve gotten is death, misery, failed countries/economic systems, war, oppression…and ultimately Socialist systems that actually need Capitalism in order to survive.

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 21, 2011 at 7:47 PM

It will result in retirement of a significant number of power plants and either fail to replace that capacity or replace it with less labor-intensive forms of generation.

Replacing “it with less labor-intensive forms of generation” is generally considered economic progress.

Count to 10 on December 21, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Charlemagne, we are already paying a surcharge on gas, electric and phone to subsidize the “poor” people. It’s income redistribution, the same as taxes.

It will of course get worse.

PattyJ on December 21, 2011 at 8:44 PM

the rule targets coal-fired power plants

Hmmm. So we can add power plants to the list of EPA casualties over the last 40 years, along with the steel and plating industries, all forges, open pit mining, tertiary oil and gas extraction, coal gasification, tool and die making….

Last one out of America please turn out the lights. Ooops. Never mind, that shouldn’t be necessary now.

Mr Galt on December 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Gotta have that social unrest for the full implementation of the Communists’s Hope and CHange.

Together We Thrive™ comrades

tom daschle concerned on December 21, 2011 at 9:03 PM

But we’ll be “Brazil’s best customer”

I’m sorry. And we’ll be paying with what?

oldleprechaun on December 21, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Eliminate the EPA.
Eliminate the Dept. of Education.
Repeal ObamaCare.
Drill Here. Drill Now.
Get rid of every Executive Order Obama sign.
Give GM back to the people.
Repeal Dodd/Frank.
Eliminate the TSA and turn security back over to the airports.
I would also strongly support eliminating Homeland Security. It seems more concerned about targeting and monitoring American citizens than anything else. Eliminate it. It’s not needed.
Audit the Fed.
Make the Bush tax cuts permanent.
Secure our borders.
Prosecute and jail all of those involved in Fast and Furious.

And one more new Federal law I would support.
Mandatory training on our Bill of Rights and individual freedoms for all who enter any type of law enforcement. Whether it’s the local sheriff or FBI. The training must be given by a private organization selected by local leaders. If the FBI agent lives in Dallas.. he gets his training from the community where he resides. If the local WalMart cop lives in Twin Fork, he gets his training where he lives and resides.

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head. A good first step for the next GOP President.

JellyToast on December 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

JellyToast 2012!

Texican Ben on December 21, 2011 at 9:56 PM

And I live in TX, summers will be lovely. /s

If you live in North Texas you’ll remember the pre-planned and executed rolling blackouts last summer, when it was 115 (Heat index).

Why? They had to service some plants and take them down. Rolling blackouts were the only answer.

Wait till you take out 3-4 major plants *permanently* and we have another record breaking summer and the blackouts roll on for half a day or so. People and pets will die. The first casualties? The old, the infirm, the very young, and the poor.

It’s a brave new world.

CorporatePiggy on December 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM

what is wrong with the nuclear industry standard ALARA, as low as reasonably achievable?

smitty41 on December 21, 2011 at 5:07 PM

Ah but what is reasonable. The old Best available control technology standard used the emission rate of the best 12% of the companies in the business to set the standard. Unfortunately, we are forced beyond that so what is reasonable? Whatever EPA says it is really. Their objective is to force wind and solar so guess what, we can kill all sorts of birds with windmills but no one cares. We can chew up all sorts of green space with solar arrays and who cares. But for a coal-fired power plant emitting an infintesimal amount of mercury they want to apply the death penalty.

KW64 on December 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM

People and pets will die. The first casualties? The old, the infirm, the very young, and the poor.

It’s a brave new world.

CorporatePiggy on December 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Sadly, people are the problem not the solution in the eyes of the progressive left. This and death panels rationing health care are anti-polltion measures you see/s

KW64 on December 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

anti-pollution

KW64 on December 21, 2011 at 10:21 PM

Ah but what is reasonable.

KW64 on December 21, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Precisely. In my dealings with EPA, their definition of “reasonable” was virtually never achievable by any recognized scientific or engineering standard. They are anti-capitalist – period, and that’s the way the agency has operated for the last 25 years of my life based on personal experience. Moreover, off-the-record-wise, they make absolutely no secret of that fact.

Mr Galt on December 21, 2011 at 10:23 PM

But, some of us will know where we can find stuff to light the darkness with: The 1%!

Another Drew on December 21, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Clarification, Please:

As sources of Intellectual Property, or as Fuel?

Jimmy Doolittle on December 21, 2011 at 11:09 PM

“Ah, but we HAVE to get power plants to cut their mercury emissions — how else to balance all the mercury added back to the environment from the CFL bulbs we jam down your throats?” — EPA

sistrum on December 21, 2011 at 11:39 PM

Sadly, people are the problem not the solution in the eyes of the progressive left. This and death panels rationing health care are anti-polltion measures you see/s

KW64 on December 21, 2011 at 10:20 PM

Superb. We’re living in a cross between a Tom Clancy novel and one of Kafka’s.

CorporatePiggy on December 22, 2011 at 12:56 AM

Drill Here. Drill Now.

JellyToast on December 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Okaaaay…and if that oil drilled here and now and is sold overseas instead of here, that does us good how?

Coal is not a fossil fuel. Fossil fuels do not exist.

joshlbetts on December 21, 2011 at 6:28 PM

Um, someone care to clarify this?

Is the stuff constantly being made in huge quantities in the earth’s crust thing or something else?

Dr. ZhivBlago on December 22, 2011 at 1:02 AM

How naive, the author expects an agency of the Obummer administration to do something “reasonable”! Doesn’t he understand that a reasonable regulation would undermine Zero’s desire to destroy America?
We have the most corrupt, lawless government in the history of the United States, and our only hope of avoiding disaster, is to purge the White House, and the Senate. Even Romney would be a better President than Zero. Hell, Jimmeh Cahter would be better than Zero. Especially with a republican Senate.

baron scarpia on December 22, 2011 at 1:44 AM

Vote Republican.

Akzed on December 22, 2011 at 5:48 AM

He, the President, told us a long time ago that he was going to do this (cause electricity costs to skyrocket, bankrupt the coal industry). If you pay attention to his words in the past, he has telegraphed just about every bad thing that is happening now. He has told the world that we are not and will not be the power that we were and he is bringing this about in a very fast manner. Those who love this country had better do their homework and bring all his prophetic words to the people before it is too late.

Pardonme on December 22, 2011 at 7:17 AM

A more sensible MACT rule was passed out of the House, the Senate immediately put it in file thirteen as per their usual obfuscation of their duty. The EPA thinks they can do whatever they want with the Democrats’ Reid controlling the Senate to shut down any Legislation the EPA Chief doesn’t like. Washington business as usual–destroy the middle class working people–continues unabated.

aposematic on December 22, 2011 at 7:52 AM

This very serious. When the coal plants moth-ball these plants instead of complying with these unreasonable regulations, there will be a shortage of generation. When the first major outage events happens, and there is not enough generation, the whole electrical grids will black out. When this happens, the whole north east and eastern sea board of the country will be blacked out for days. Can you imagine NY city in a complete dark for days, no food in stores, no heat,no security. This is just what Obama is waiting for. To declair martial law, and no elections. The thugs will take over, be prepared.

ptu on December 22, 2011 at 8:55 AM

Don’t have to worry about the whole Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid problem when 95% of those who used these programs are dead, and the 5% who still use them have connections with the Elite running the country.

Don’t have to worry about all the uninsured that Obamacare will help when they are all dead as well.

Don’t have to worry about anyone speaking out against it either, as 95% of the patriotism and desire to ‘live free or die’ is in the minds of people over 40, and those will be the largest group of ‘casualties’. The under 30 crowd with their OWS mentality will be just fine, they will continue to blame whomever their masters tell them to until they too reach 40 and die.

“progressive socialism’ is for the people, remember that.

majordomomojo on December 22, 2011 at 9:56 AM

If only there was a way to steer the coming brownouts to the s**thole inner cities that elect the trash responsible for this new rule.

Two birds with one stone and all…

MNHawk on December 21, 2011 at 5:18 PM

This!

brtex on December 22, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Well, until we get rid of the EPA this kind of $h!t will keep on coming. But we do have an out come November. Take out Obambo and his wrecking crew of marxists and send them packing straight to hell.

rjulio on December 22, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Under my Cap-n-Trade plan, energy prices will necessarily skyrocket

-BHO

too bad most people are still sleeping and will wonder how we got to where we are when they finally wake…

RedInMD on December 22, 2011 at 11:57 AM

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