Video: Perry going full populist?

posted at 10:05 am on December 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

If Rick Perry’s latest TV spot in Iowa gives any indication, look for a lot more populist rhetoric from the Texas governor in the final days before the caucuses.  Perry’s team launched this attack ad, called “Three Streets,” aimed at both frontrunners in Iowa.  Perry claims Main Street as his constituency, while accusing Mitt Romney of representing Wall Street and Newt Gingrich of getting rich off of K Street:

Don’t underestimate the power of populism in Iowa. It’s not a coincidence that Iowa went in 2008 to the most effective rhetorical populists in both parties, Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee. However, this attack on Bain Capital might make some of Perry’s recent conservative endorsers a little uncomfortable. When Newt Gingrich slapped Romney for getting rich off of bankrupting companies and destroying jobs, conservatives rose in mighty indignation over what they saw as an unfair attack on creative destruction, a key component of healthy capitalism. How is this different than Gingrich’s jab, which was at least prompted by Romney’s attack on Newt’s business dealings with Freddie Mac?

Politico notices Perry going the populist route, too:

Perry’s attack on Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney came as he plodded across northeastern Iowa on a bus tour in which he has desperately tried to position himself as “the only true outsider” in the race.

“The choice shouldn’t be between a Democratic spendaholic and a Republican spendaholic,” the underdog said.

Linking Washington with Wall Street has become a central part of Perry’s stump speech. It allows him to tar Romney for his experience at Bain Capital and Gingrich for his tenure as speaker of the House in one swipe.

“If this was a map of the United States, I could draw the problem in this country very vividly with a straight line between Washington, D.C., and Wall Street,” he told about 80 people who packed into a café here on this town bordering Wisconsin and Illinois for the fourth stop of the day.

“Over the course of the last 15 or so years…Wall Street insiders and Washington lobbyists and Washington insiders have jeopardized our future so much with special-interest self-dealing [and] corrupt, fraudulent activities. It’s not right. It’s unjust, and we’ve got to deal with it.”

Perry did not mention either Gingrich or Romney when using the word “corrupt,” which has powerful and even criminal connotations. But his language left little doubt that he was taking shots at his rivals.

Perry has little choice but to go on the attack at this late stage in an effort to erode the combined standing of Gingrich and Romney.  Perry has run as an outsider since entering the race, so it’s not terribly shocking that he would point that out as a difference between himself and Gingrich, but Romney isn’t a Washington insider.  It’s telling that Perry has chosen to attack Romney for his Wall Street experience rather than his track record as governor of Massachusetts, which offers a target-rich environment but hasn’t succeeded as a campaign strategy for Perry — or anyone else in this race.  The question will be whether conservatives respond with the same high dudgeon to Perry’s attack as they did to Gingrich’s quip earlier this month.


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workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Dad played for the Cornhuskers, I got backed into being an Aggie, sister is a Cowboy. Wife hates football. We are all over the place.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 3:29 PM

http://www.myspace.com/video/ant/texas-tech-fans-chant-raider-power-smu/17460635

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Went to U of Penn for Graduate School.

Try rooting for the Fighting Quakers…lol…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:37 PM

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:36 PM

I’m starting @ Tech next term as a transfer history major-and my son might be attending this fall as a freshman…history major. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 3:32 PM

Truth is Texans root for any Texas team against any opponent outside of the state of Texas.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM

If Tech were to ever play the NIU Huskies…I’d be rooting for the dogs….and I love my Chicago Cubbies.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Coulter has Nuked the Fridge…

“Appearing on Fox News Channel’s “Red Eye” last week, conservative firebrand and frequent courter of controversy, Ann Coulter told the panel that if the choice for the Republican presidential nominee came down to Texas Rep. Ron Paul or former House Speaker Newt Gingrich she would prefer Paul.
Really Ann?”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12/ann-coulter-i-would-prefer-ron-paul-over-newt-gingrich-video/#comm

Jim Hoft is baffled…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:46 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Good For You!

Ski Lubbock!

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Here is a little tidbit from Perry’s Texas. Today’s top story in the Austin Statesman is


Central Texas home sales up 11 percent in November

Ryt on December 20, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Truth is Texans root for any Texans team against any opponent outside of the state of Texas outside attack.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Hence my defense of Perry, while not supporting him, against nutball attacks.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Coulter has Nuked the Fridge…
workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:46 PM

Who has she not supported at some time or another? She’s come out for Cain, Romney, Perry, and now Paul?

Next week she’ll be endorsing Michael Vick.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2011 at 3:54 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 3:53 PM

yeah…although Ron Paul doesn’t apply…he’s from Pittsburgh. not that there’s anything wrong with that but he’s not a native…just sayin’

If W had run against Perry in a primary for governor Perry would have won and that would be why…and yeah he would’ve used it & Rove knows it.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Good essay on the ad…

“Problem is, they’re raising this “liberal talking point” issue in defense of a man who once derided Steve Forbes’s flat tax as a “tax cut for fat cats.” So, if they’re intent on raising this issue, they’re going to have to come up with a reason as to why it’s unfair to hit Romney on it without further confirming his longstanding tradition of holding every possible position on every conceivable issue.

And the fact of the matter is that the too-cozy relationship between Wall Street financiers and K Street lobbyists has played a large role in stifling the economic growth by tilting the tax code in favor of established businesses and creating regulations which restrict competition. That’s the precisely the environment that allowed so many Wall Street entities to become “too big to fail” at taxpayer expense.

Of course, there is the possibility that Mitt Romney’s hands are utterly clean in all of that — though, it’s difficult to know given the fact that he’s never released his tax returns. So, we may never find out the extent to which he’s profited from the various bailouts which have so weakened our currency and prolonged the economic recovery leaving so many Americans out of work, looking to the government for assistance…”

http://www.damndirtyrino.com/2011/12/20/oh-the-consternation/#comment-7582

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:06 PM

She a good conservative who resigned half-way through her ONLY term as governor.
She’s also an attention wh*re.
Palin is interested in puffing up Palin.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM

You really are clueless. Palin has the best record and polices of anyone that could run. She’s the most vetted person in history. It’s a shame though that the media has had to tear her down and many on the right have down so as well, including yourself. Really hard not to blame her for not running. No one knows the amount of death threats for her and her family. Plus she never promised anything, but real conservatives wanted her to run given how lacking the current field is.

I’ve watched you for the past year take cheap shots at her while you at first supported Pawlenty (RINO) and now are on the crony capitalism/ in state tuition for illegals Perry bandwagon.

Very impressive.

You do have one thing right though:

Your moniker.

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:09 PM

yeah…although Ron Paul doesn’t apply…he’s from Pittsburgh. not that there’s anything wrong with that but he’s not a native…just sayin’

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Suck it up you whippersnapper. I said against attacks. That means of the nutball variety. Paul (as does Perry) has many legitimate problems to go after him for. If somebody crosses the line into nutball territory against Paul, I will defend him too.

Texas is not just a state, it is a state of mind. You don’t even have to be here to be a Texan if you have the right attitude. Though it does help to actually be in God’s favorite place.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM

Ski Lubbock!

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM

Keep Lubbock flat!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 4:14 PM

Amusing to the see the same 4 or 5 Perry supporters talking to each other in this thread.

Seems like the guy just isn’t catching on.

You’d think you guys could come up with some better excuses for this guy.

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:14 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:14 PM

What is amusing is the same nutballs over and over writnig “please sir, may I have another”.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM

Down with capitalism! You tell ‘em Perry! Kim Jung Il is smiling in his grave.

hanzblinx on December 20, 2011 at 4:19 PM

” Suck it up you whippersnapper…You don’t even have to be here to be a Texan if you have the right attitude. Though it does help to actually be in God’s favorite place.”
cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 4:10 PM

I dunno…Paul might be a bridge too far…chuckle…but so is Alex Jones and he’s a native.

So I’ll ummmm….let you have that one.

And Texas is a state of mind.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:22 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:09 PM

Palin Quit Office…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:24 PM

hanzblinx on December 20, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Down with Insiders!

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:26 PM

Ryt on December 20, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Thanks for the link. Texas revenues are back at 2008 levels and we have a surplus.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Palin Quit Office…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:24 PM

Really thanks for the new info genuis!

Of course you overlook the FACT that Ak had a law that the state would not cover any of the frivolous ethics charges. That Palin would’ve went personally broke and the state woud’ve wasted a great amount of time on processing the bogus charges.

Now try again, why is in state tuition for illegals a good thing?

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Ski Lubbock!

That was a slogan that used to be on Tech gear..back in the day.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Palin Quit Office…So did Nixon

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM

John “Bhopal” Coale bought Palin.

*next*

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:31 PM

Now try again, why is in state tuition for illegals a good thing?

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:28 PM

Never said it was a good thing but it kept Texas out of Court.

So How much Texas Donor State Tax Dollars go to pay for federal services in your state?

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM

I’m sure Obama will never bring it up in the General/ It’s not like Obama’s using a class warfare strategy to get reelected or anything/
Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 2:45 PM

SO WHAT? As I pointed out, his administration is positively overflowing with Goldman Sachs people. Obama’s SEIU is hiring people to occupy banks? You cool with that?

But thanks again – this time for acknowledging that Perry is using class warfare in a desperate attempt to nail Romney. Pretty sad state of affairs when so-called “conservatives”, oops, sorry, “libertarians” are using this tactic.

Apparently Staples, Sports Authority, Burlington Coat Factory and the like aren’t “Main Street” enough for you all – the employees who work there are all a bunch of Wall Street fat cats./

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Why won’t Romney release his Tax Returns?

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Better than going full Monty

gerrym51 on December 20, 2011 at 4:37 PM

Why won’t Romney release his Tax Returns?

So you can find out he’s worth 300 million instead of 250 million.

I think we already know this.

gerrym51 on December 20, 2011 at 4:39 PM

More trouble for Newt?

But of $37.9 million raised from 2006 through 2009, the committee spent just $7.2 million on programs, according to its filings with the Internal Revenue Service.

Most of American Solutions’ money went toward the costly task of paying for telemarketers and direct mail appeals to develop a loyal pool of contributors. Ohio-based InfoCision, a telemarketing firm that specializes in building lists of small donors, was paid upward of $30 million of the $54 million raised over the group’s life, exhausting most of the money contributed.

Hence, about $17 million collected from contributors of at least $25,000 was crucial to financing Gingrich’s travel…”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/19/133526/did-gingrich-bend-campaign-laws.html

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Never said it was a good thing but it kept Texas out of Court.

So How much Texas Donor State Tax Dollars go to pay for federal services in your state?

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Why would they have to go to court? Because the illegals or ACLU would sue? If so, then it’s worth the fight.

Giving illegals a college education will only encourage more to sneak across our fenceless border.

What’s so hard to understand about that??

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Man, that Romney and Wall street must really get to you.

You don’t like that Romney and his cronies committed capitalism on Wall street?

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 4:44 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Way to completely screw up the subject. But I guess you can do that since want to remain willfully ignorant and evidently don’t have the intelligence to actually research the program.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 4:46 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:42 PM

For the remedial..

Texas lost Plyler v. Doe because Illegals in Texas pay taxes which fund school districts.

We were headed for another case based on college tuition, residency and taxes.

This is why instate tuition applies to some states and not the entire country like Plyler v Doe.

Texas was trying to avoid going to Court again because it’s easier to overturn local legislation than a SCOTUS ruling.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:53 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Don’ tell Texans what is or is not worth the fight…We have been to court more than any other state over this crapola.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Why won’t Romney release his Tax Returns?
workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:35 PM

Probably because “working class artists” like you would salivate at the possibility of pointing out how rich he is, and would then launch into a tale of how out of touch he is, how incapable of relating to humble blue collar workers who earn their money digging ditches or working retail at Sports Authority or Staples, while he’s been on easy street his whole life.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 5:03 PM

Or maybe he’s trying to hide how he made money during the bailout(s)?

Cause he’s got a record of destroying his records?

yeah…sucks for you doesn’t that?

Have to say it’s fun watching him blow all that money and he still won’t win the nomination…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 5:03 PM

There are no workinclass artists like me…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 5:14 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 4:33 PM

If only Perry had taken Romney up on that $10,000 Bet. Romney could show everyone how he’s for the common man, especially the ones keeping his lawns mowed LOL!

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 5:15 PM

Down with capitalism! corporatist! You tell ‘em Perry! Kim Jung Il Ronald Reagan is smiling in his grave.

hanzblinx on December 20, 2011 at 4:19 PM

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Don’ tell Texans what is or is not worth the fight…We have been to court more than any other state over this crapola.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 4:56 PM

Get over yourself there Tex.

It’s the wrong move period to give in state tuition. And some things are worth fighting for.

And the Gardasil mandate he tried is almost just as bad:

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/08/16/rick-perrys-bad-obama-style-medicine/

I’d take Perry over Romney (which isn’t saying much) but stop defending his mistakes and clearcut weaknesses. It makes you lose all credibility.

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Way to completely screw up the subject. But I guess you can do that since want to remain willfully ignorant and evidently don’t have the intelligence to actually research the program.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 4:46 PM

And you clearly lack the backbone to stand up for conservative values.

Good job.

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 5:29 PM

“The Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense confirmed during a Tuesday morning conference call with members of Congress that the administration will be reducing the National Guard troop presence on the border with Mexico by 75 percent, according to Texas Republican Rep. Ted Poe.

The briefing featured U. S. Customs and Border Protection Assistant Commissioner David V. Aguilar, Border Patrol Chief Michael Fischer and DOD Assistant Secretary Paul Stockton.

The administration representatives revealed that the National Guard’s presence on the border will be reduced from 1,200 to 300 troops and their budget will decrease from $120 million to $60 million.

“It is a mistake,” Poe told TheDC. “Last week Jason Altmire, Democrat from Pennsylvania, and I sent a letter to the president asking him not to reduce the number of National Guard troops. I’ve always thought 1,200 wasn’t enough. In fact I introduced legislation to put 10,000 at the border.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/administration-to-reduce-guard-troops-on-the-us-mexico-border-by-75-percent/#ixzz1h7J7M8ot

Perry
2012

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 5:33 PM

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM

Your assessment of my credibility is ummmm…irrelevant…yep that’s the word.

On the other hand your tedious repetition of ignorant campaign talking points reveals you to be stuck on stupid.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Giving illegals a college education will only encourage more to sneak across our fenceless border.

What’s so hard to understand about that??

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 4:42 PM

Texas is NOT giving a free education to illegals. They are giving residents of Texas, who attended high school in Texas for AT LEAST three years and are currently trying to get their status legalized the ability to attend college in Texas at the in-state tuition rate — not free! This is the same privilege Texas affords students who live in Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Louisiana…. in other words, your state touches the borders of Texas you receive the in-state rate to go to school in Texas. It is said this is approximately 1% of the current college enrollment in Texas. ONE PERCENT! This was passed with all but three votes ten years ago.

Perry has signed bills that do not allow illegals to get a drivers license in Texas, he worked for voter ID in Texas and more. Perry is not saying ya’ll come here illegally and he has spent millions sending the Texas Rangers to the border to do what the Federal Government should have been doing.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Here is a little tidbit from Perry’s Texas. Today’s top story in the Austin Statesman is

Central Texas home sales up 11 percent in November

Ryt on December 20, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Someone on another site is a professor at a PA University with a winter home in TX, he posted yesterday he arrived in TX for Christmas and felt like he stepped into another country, that the economy in Texas is humming and people are shopping and you’d think we were not in the mess the rest of the country is in, said this is totally opposite what he has observed in PA… anyone thinks anyone other than Perry should be elected is nuts (in my opinion) for he is the only one who has a clue how to get this economy turned around — use the TX model and watch us get back to work all over the country (well maybe not bluer than blue, MA or Illinois – but most of the country will get back on it’s feet).

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

And you clearly lack the backbone to stand up for conservative values.

Good job.

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 5:29 PM

Coming from you, I take that as a compliment. Even though I am a pragmatic libertarian.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Remember that kid back in kindergarten who kept eating paste no matter how many times he was told it was bad for him and to stop?

This is what happened to that kid.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Post the link if you get the chance.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 6:00 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 5:57 PM

HA!

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Let me just say that as an empoloyee at a state university, I more than most of you, am absolutely no fan of the in-state tuition for illegals.

But I have read 4 pages now of pure ignorance of what that law really is.

All the law does is allows ANYONE who has graduated from high school in Texas (or gotten their GED as an alternative to high school graduation) and who has resided in the state to possibly qualify for in-state tuition. It’s not an automatic. You can’t just walk up and say “I’m illegal, let me pay in-state”.

IF they DO qualify, they then get to PAY in-state tuition. It is not paid for them. The law is written to be blind to legal status, so it potentially benefits the students who truly are seeking citizenship via the green-card-to-Permanent-Resident route (who previously could not establish TX residency) but it’s always been seen as the wink and nod path to establishing TX residency for tuition purposes for Illegals.

Too many of you seem to think it is some law allowing illegals to come to school for free. It is not.

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM

oops, scooped by Rapunzel.

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 6:12 PM

Too many of you seem to think it is some law allowing illegals to come to school for free. It is not.

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Those of us familiar with the law have been tryin’ to get it through to the nutballs for months. Even if they can comprehend your words, they will dismiss them as the love notes of a Perrykrishna.

What do you think of the $10,000 degree plan?

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Post the link if you get the chance.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 6:00 PM

Here is the link:

http://gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=46704.200

Read down, he goes into more detail at post 208

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:19 PM

Those of us familiar with the law have been tryin’ to get it through to the nutballs for months. Even if they can comprehend your words, they will dismiss them as the love notes of a Perrykrishna.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:16 PM

They listen to Levin and Hannity and Coulter and never take the time to actually look for the truth.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Or maybe he’s trying to hide how he made money during the bailout(s)? Blah blah blah from an envious child,
workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM

Okay, I am officially done with you. Just another childish jackass stuck in class warfare mode. Try peddling your crap at Media Matters or the Center for American Progress (with a special shout out to George Soros!). They love this stuff.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM

If only Perry had taken Romney up on that $10,000 Bet. Romney could show everyone how he’s for the common man, especially the ones keeping his lawns mowed LOL!
Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 5:15 PM

You’re about as amusing as a braying hyena.

Everyone without exception has acknowledged that Perry would have lost that bet, so it wouldn’t have cost Romney a dime. But the double-dipping Texas Guv would have dipped into that retirement fund he’s taking while still being paid as Governor if he’d been foolish enough to take Mitt up on the bet. In short: Perry doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

But my oh, my how pathetic is it that you have lawn service envy.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Texas is NOT giving a free education to illegals. They are giving residents of Texas, who attended high school in Texas for AT LEAST three years and are currently trying to get their status legalized the ability to attend college in Texas at the in-state tuition rate — not free! This is the same privilege Texas affords students who live in Arkansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Louisiana…. in other words, your state touches the borders of Texas you receive the in-state rate to go to school in Texas. It is said this is approximately 1% of the current college enrollment in Texas. ONE PERCENT! This was passed with all but three votes ten years ago.

Perry has signed bills that do not allow illegals to get a drivers license in Texas, he worked for voter ID in Texas and more. Perry is not saying ya’ll come here illegally and he has spent millions sending the Texas Rangers to the border to do what the Federal Government should have been doing.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I’ve been calling it in state tuition for illegals all day. Check the thread.

It’s actually worse than Newt’s position. They broke the law. If they want to try to become legalized, they should go back home and right in line with everyone else.

PERIOD!

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Okay, I am officially done with you. Just another childish jackass stuck in class warfare mode. Try peddling your crap at Media Matters or the Center for American Progress (with a special shout out to George Soros!). They love this stuff.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 6:32 PM

It seems to go over pretty well here. Except for y’all Perry fearin’ Romney fluffin’ nutballs.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM

they should go back home and right in line with everyone else.

PERIOD!

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Well gosh darn! Why don’t you just go out and round those doggies up and head em’ out.

Ye’ hah!

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

I’ve been calling it in state tuition for illegals all day. Check the thread.

It’s actually worse than Newt’s position. They broke the law. If they want to try to become legalized, they should go back home and right in line with everyone else.

PERIOD!

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 6:38 PM

“They” did not break the law. Their parents broke the law, since they have to have attended schools in TX for at least three years, this pretty much guarantees they grew to college age in Texas… What Perry wants to do is get them educated vs on welfare — as so many illegals are these days. Unlike Newt, Perry is not advocating amnesty for illegals who have been here with some mysterious board advocating who is he winner and who returns to Mexico (as if anyone would be)….. Fact is the only solution is to control the border – and not with Cain’s magical electric fence… But by all means the GOP should continue to demonize Hispanics and hand that voter block over to Obama and the Democratic Party.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Everyone without exception has acknowledged that Perry would have lost that bet, so it wouldn’t have cost Romney a dime.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Actually Perry would have won, Romney did change his book from the hard copy to the soft copy… and he continues to deny the fact.

But the double-dipping Texas Guv would have dipped into that retirement fund he’s taking while still being paid as Governor

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 6:37 PM

Guess you are too dense to understand how this works, he is doing what every other public service employee in Texas and most every other state does and is legally allowed to do. ERS is only partially taxpayer funded- it is a matching retirement plan. Suddenly because Perry does what every other public employee does the anti-Perry people think it is a huge crime…

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:50 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Too many words for the poor kid to comprehend. Save yourself some time, keep replies to nutballs short. You may need the time for your hair.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:51 PM

We need a President who will reach across the aisle and work with Democrats, my friend. Don’t expect to get America going again without the help of Democrats in Congress.

Romney 2012

Punchenko on December 20, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Fixed it for you, John. lol

kg598301 on December 20, 2011 at 7:01 PM

It seems to go over pretty well here. Except for y’all Perry fearin’ Romney fluffin’ nutballs.
cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM

What seems to go over well? Perry supporters stealing from the Left’s playbook? I don’t fear Perry. I fear populist rhetoric because it’s dangerous demagoguery. Oh, and I’m not “a kid”, kid.

Actually Perry would have won, Romney did change his book from the hard copy to the soft copy… and he continues to deny the fact. Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:50 PM

You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I am not wasting my time with you and your ignorant fantasizing about Perry’s imaginary victory. I’ll just leave you with this:

As Glenn Kessler wrote in his Washington Post fact-check column in September: “Romney has long said he did not view his plan as a model for the nation, and he has not wavered on that stance.” And, Perry “is simply making up the claim that Romney advocated his health care plan as a model for the rest of the country . . . He chose to manufacture a phony issue.”

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Rapunzel, Rapunzel tear out your hair:

Rick Perry was smart to say he’s not in the betting business.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Rick Perry was smart to say he’s not in the betting business.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM

wrong:

In the first version of Romney’s book, a line referring to a universal health care mandate reads: “We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country, and it can be done without letting government take over health care.”

In the later paperback version, the line was changed to: “And it was done without the government taking over health care.”

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 7:39 PM

What do you think of the $10,000 degree plan?

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 6:16 PM

I think the 10,000.00 degree plan is righteous…makes us more competitive but tenured faculty will hate it.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 7:40 PM

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM

The residency requirements for the illegal kids are more strict. They have to reside in the state for a minimum 3 years and have graduated from a Texas Highschool and apply for legal status.

It is a way to document the undocumented.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 7:47 PM

I don’t fear Perry. I fear populist rhetoric because it’s dangerous demagoguery. Oh, and I’m not “a kid”, kid.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 7:25 PM

Then why are you spending all of the time pushing out-of-date dis proven lefty talking points to attack a candidate that is at best in third place? Come on, as populist rhetoric, this ad is pretty tame. Unless you think it scores some real points.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt about your youth. Most people grow into wisdom, sorry it passed you by.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Ummmm….don’t quit your day job cause comedy aint’ your thing

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 7:58 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Wanna bet Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 7:25 PM was an English major and is a yankee?

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Oh I don’t know, I usually don’t go into that stuff. But considering the handle, hatred of the perceived favor for south of the border illegals and the education of others, I would have to go with an illegal economic refugee from Copenhagen hoping to earn enough here to survive the taxation in Denmark’s welfare state and hoping we will buy products from them so Buy Danish can go back. The familiarity of the welfare state could also explain the support for Romney. And the hatred for Perry.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 8:13 PM

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 8:13 PM

HA!

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:17 PM

Another blogger comes out in support for Perry.

“. . . today as Dan Riehl makes the case for the Texas governor. I’ve had my disagreements with Riehl in the past, but I’m glad to see he’s supporting Perry. His endorsement over at RiehlWorldView is well written and thoughtful — very much worth reading and forwarding along.

And I, for one, am proud to support the man that Dan Riehl, Ace of Spades, Mike Flynn and the front page contributors at RedState have voiced their support for over the past two days.”

http://www.damndirtyrino.com/2011/12/20/another-blogger-comes-out-for-perry/

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:23 PM

http://www.damndirtyrino.com/2011/12/20/another-blogger-comes-out-for-perry/

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:23 PM

encouraging.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Link to Dan Riehl

“While both Representative Michelle Bachmann and former Senator Rick Santorum are fine Constitutional conservatives, when one factors in the critical element of electoral viability, Texas Governor Rick Perry is the only prudent choice for both conservatives and Republicans. Contrary to the myth that he is simply one more in a long, futile line of so-called compassionate conservatives, in practical terms, Perry is actually a repudiation of the too-largely failed governmental legacy of Bush/Rove, regardless of its ability to win an election, or two.”

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2011/12/texas-gov-rick-perry-is-the-right-choice-for-the

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:30 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM

The only polls that count are at the voting booth. And that is where Perry always surprises the naysayers.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Everyone without exception has acknowledged that Perry would have lost that bet, so it wouldn’t have cost Romney a dime. Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 6:37 PM

You sure are obtuse but that’s part of your charm.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Written by a longtime Perry supporter…A good read.

“Yet, in the next 2 weeks not just a handful but close to 2000 TEXANS plan to descend on Iowa. We are talking about a very long drive in dead of winter-many of us abandoning our own families shortly after Christmas, spending New Year in lonely hotel rooms. Have you heard of 1000s or even 100s of Georgians braving the Iowa winter to support Gingrich? How about 100s of MA rushing to Iowa for Romney? And they are used to frigid weather. So what is it about Rick Perry that brings that undying loyalty?…”

http://patriot1949.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/why-rick-perry-by-victoria_29/

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:49 PM

I can’t stand the Ron Paul fanboy spammers on YouTube. It doesn’t matter what video you’re watching on there…look down at the comments and there it is: “RON PAUL IS THE ONE WHO CAN SAVE US ALL!!” will by the first comment listed. It’s become a joke. I’ve had it with them.

bluegill on December 20, 2011 at 9:05 PM

They” did not break the law. Their parents broke the law, since they have to have attended schools in TX for at least three years, this pretty much guarantees they grew to college age in Texas… What Perry wants to do is get them educated vs on welfare — as so many illegals are these days. Unlike Newt, Perry is not advocating amnesty for illegals who have been here with some mysterious board advocating who is he winner and who returns to Mexico (as if anyone would be)….. Fact is the only solution is to control the border – and not with Cain’s magical electric fence… But by all means the GOP should continue to demonize Hispanics and hand that voter block over to Obama and the Democratic Party.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 6:43 PM

So it’s only the children? What about an 18 yr old that sneaks acoss and 10 years later or so wants to go to school?

And as for the children then already get a high school education, but that’s not good enough right?

Look at it this way: You can reunite the whole family by sending them all back to Mehico or wherever they’re from!

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 8:49 PM

http://patriot1949.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/why-rick-perry-by-victoria_29/

What a great read — everyone should read your link above… I particularly liked this part given the discussion on this thread today:

[b]So what is it about Rick Perry that brings that undying loyalty? No, it is not because I have always agreed with him-been times over 20 years that I would like to have choked him. His answer on in-state tuition sucked he should have just told the truth & blamed us Texans & not tried to explain our in-state tuition to a bunch of anti-10th Amendment RINOS. [b]First off-what Gov. Perry should have said is, “I was governor a few months when that was enacted, it was passed by 99.6% of the legislature & was veto-proof, so there was nothing I could do, veto would have been over-rode.”[/b] That is the FACTS but unlike other candidates that would have been quick to pass the blame Rick Perry is a Man & a Texan-this law was supported in 2001 by 80% of Texans so he took his stand with us & said hey Texas made a decision & I stand with her. [/b]

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM

So it’s only the children? What about an 18 yr old that sneaks acoss and 10 years later or so wants to go to school?

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Then they do not qualify…. this is not for people who decide to go to Texas simply to go to college… in fact, it is cheaper to stay in Mexico and get an education and then get a green card to the USA — I know of a couple of people who got their degree in Mexico and teach here in Arizona. The Texas law is clear — they HAVE to attend TX high school for a minimum of THREE YEARS — and as I am certain you know it is illegal according to the FEDERAL government to a) ask for their legal status if they are in K-12 and b) deny an education to anyone in the country in K-12….. Texas is saying: you go to school her three years, get good grades and can pass the SAT exam then you can attend the University here at the same rate as any other Texan, Arkansan, Oklahoman, New Mexican, Louisianan. If you get over your knee jerk attitude you realize this means only the best of the best of the so-called illegals who grew up in Texas would qualify because among other things they would have to have the money and the grades to even qualify… which is why this is approximately 1%… now if you want to get all bent out of shape then look at California where they DO have the Dream Act and they pay for illegals to attend college and the taxpayers in California are footing the bill.. one more reason so many people are leaving CA and moving to TX.

Perry has done a lot of very good things in TX, much more than you saw Romney do in MA or Newt do in the private sector… he is the real deal, not a plastic fake…. he walks the walk that he talks… in addition to being the only veteran in the race, he also pushed through tort reform in Texas… that is a big deal in my book… unlike Romney and Gingrich he is a big supporter of the second amendment….. and then there is his support of the tenth amendment — something he feels very strong about and wrote extensive of in his book.. unless you love big government I cannot see voting for anyone other than Perry.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 9:21 PM

So it’s only the children? What about an 18 yr old that sneaks acoss and 10 years later or so wants to go to school?

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Now you are reduced to “what ifs”? I imagine both of them would be sent back. Though if they had the ability to reach the age of 18 and be educated, they could probably afford the regular tuition.

And as for the children then already get a high school education, but that’s not good enough right?

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

Babbling now? Are you okay? Are they bringing you your meds?

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 9:22 PM

And as for the children then already get a high school education, but that’s not good enough right?

Look at it this way: You can reunite the whole family by sending them all back to Mehico or wherever they’re from!

LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

surely you know from what has been going on over the Arizona and now the Arkansas law the states are not allowed to “just send them back” at will….. and if you read the blog posted above here from a Texan you read very clearly that a) this law was passed right after Perry became governor b) passed with a super majority (as in almost the entire legislature) and had Perry vetoed it, he would have been over-ridden……. and Perry could have pulled a Romney or Gingrich and said: hey I had no choice, but he is a bigger man than that and he took the entire responsibility for the law on his own shoulders.

Aren’t you sick — yet — of people like Obama unwilling to take responsibility and follow “the buck stops here” way instead? Perry is a Buck stops here kinda guy.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 9:27 PM

You realize that you are working under the assumption that a self described fanatical follower of Mark Levin is rational, don’t you?

Levin is a neat enough guy, but what rational mind would fanatically follow anyone. Other than those totally rational fanatical followers of RON PAUL (may allah bless him), or Alex Jones.

cozmo on December 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Rapunzel and Working Artist – you’re both very knowledgeable on the ins and outs of what used to be HB 1403. Higher ed, or just very educated citizens?

Just curious if we’re dancing in some of the same circles :)

Levin Fan, Rapunzel has already addressed your concerns re: 18 year olds who come across then decide to get an education later. I can guarantee you that it is very specific that the student has to have 3 years HS and a HS diploma/GED. It’s previous incarnation, HB 1403 was a little fuzzier, but still would not allow an adult to come into the country and still be eligible for the in-state tuition. I’ve gone toe-to-toe with Rick Noriega’s office on that point and backed them down.

While you’re throwing stones at Perry for this bill be sure to chunk a few the way of the Catholic Parishes. They coach the illegal students what to say and what not to. Again, personal experience.

I’m not defending the bill. I was not a fan when it came down and while I understand it’s intent, I still have issue with it’s existence. I just think there’s a lot of ignorance/misconceptions regarding the bill and would like to educate some people.

BTW, FWIW, schools send a list of all of the students who are enrolled under these provisions to the State’s Higher Ed Coordinating Board each semester. I’ve wondered when and if we’ll ever see an attempt to subpoena those records by an active, interested immigration entity.

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 9:50 PM

I’ve been calling it in state tuition for illegals all day. Check the thread.
LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Ok, I did. Here’s what I found:

You really think the only way to solve the illegal problem is to pay for their college education?
LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 1:52 PM

pay for? not true.

Why should any US taxpayer have to pay for any illegal to go to college? What a joke!
LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 1:09 PM

again, pay for

How many illegals got the in state tuition discount on the backs of US taxpayers??
LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 11:50 AM

See what I mean?

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 10:00 PM

So it’s only the children? What about an 18 yr old that sneaks acoss and 10 years later or so wants to go to school?
LevinFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 PM

University is free in Mexico to citizens of Mexico. I think that you mistake OTM’s for Mexicans.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 10:01 PM

Rapunzel and Working Artist – you’re both very knowledgeable on the ins and outs of what used to be HB 1403. Higher ed, or just very educated citizens?

Just curious if we’re dancing in some of the same circles :)

WhaleBellied I learned a long time ago not to take something from a talking head or a site like FR has to say at face value, I prefer to do my own detailed investigation of potential candidates and form an opinion based on what I learn from that investigation. I read an interesting study a few months ago saying 10% of the population forms the opinions of the other 90%, scary numbers, but more and more I think I believe it; look at the OWS protesters and how they chant (whatever their leader says) in unison… scary stuff. I remember in 2008 when McCain won NH and the media all started saying he had the wind at his back going into SC, as soon as the media deemed he was likely to win SC the polls started to rise, the only thing that changed was the media and all the sheep jumped on the McCain wagon. I think it is people wanting to proclaim they voted for the winner — never mind the person is terribly flawed (like Herman Cain).

I really worry about this country when people are so easily led by people like Levin or Hannity or even Rush Limbaugh… our education system is teaching what to think instead of “how” to think, and it shows in what has happened to this country.

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Yep, wait for gingrich to change his mind and go on the offensive, and we can have a five way shootout for the next few months with negative ad after negative ad for all the candidates…let’s make sure no one in their right mind will vote for newt, romney, perry, paul, or bachman in a general election. Voters are so smart to demand their candidates run these ads. Yep, let’s choose our nominee via a broken convention or just give the general election to Obama.

deploylinux on December 20, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Rapunzel on December 20, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Kudos to you dear! I understand your fears and concerns. I definitely applaud your desire to formulate your own opinions.

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 9:50 PM

You got most of it right except the difference in length of residency which is longer and stricter than it would be for an out of state young adult. The illegals pay the tuition just like any other resident. Most go to either community colleges or trade schools. Since the program was implemented Texas had the highest scoring Latino HS students in the nation. That’s why Perry said Taxpayers(Texas) not Tax Wasters (California).

Typical scenario Parent with a young child jumps the river to find work. Obtains phony documents to get work…Once they do that they are stuck in the counterfeit system. So they become undocumented in that they are in the system but not in the system. The kid cannot file or obtain legal status & if the kid is young enough many don’t even find out they are illegal until they try to go to college.

Typical Legally sponsored immigrant from Mexico will wait 12 years for citizenship.

Like it or not it is a complicated issue that has festered through years of neglect and liberal manipulation of the system, the courts and the legislation. Everybody just kicked the can down the road since Reagan but the border states have always lived with it and paid for it.

Texans don’t want amnesty we want security and enforcement that works. Perry knows how to do that.

Until we secure the border and our shores in an efficient way things will not change and will only get worse. It’s a mess.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Most of the immigrants over the last 15 years have been OTM’s (Other than Mexican)

They are assisted by the Mexican government.

OTM gangs are engaged in the Drug Cartel Wars that are tearing apart Mexico.

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM

workingclass artist on December 20, 2011 at 10:18 PM

Thanks. I’ve (happily) been out of the RDO business for several years. The SB was just replacing HB1403 when I was moving on to different challenges in higher ed.
Thanks for keeping me in line ;)

WhaleBellied on December 20, 2011 at 10:30 PM

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