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posted at 8:05 pm on December 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, the Attorney General of the United States offered an interesting defense against criticism of Operation Fast and Furious and the hundreds of deaths committed by weapons that the ATF allowed to “walk” across the border.  Speaking to the New York Times, Holder posited that the only reason critics have of pressing the matter is either an ideological grudge, or latent bigotry:

But Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing “Washington gotcha” games, portraying them as frequently “conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was” to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light.

Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Mr. Holder, however, attributed most of the hostility to underlying ideological differences. “I think that people, despite my law enforcement background, view me as taking these consistently progressive stands, and I think that, philosophically, there is a desire to get at that person,” he said. “But I think the stands I have taken are totally consistent with a person who is looking at things realistically, factually.”

Does this sound like a man who takes his job — which is to manage federal law-enforcement efforts and keep agencies like the ATF accountable for their actions — seriously?  In my column for The Week, which editors headlined “It’s time for Eric Holder to resign,” I argue that Holder’s desperate ploy to smear critics of the ATF and DoJ amounts to a disqualification for office:

To recap, we have an agency under Holder’s supervision that ran perhaps thousands of guns across the border without any attempt to keep track of them, to supposedly find straw buyers and their connection to the cartels. The ATF then tried to use the purchases they facilitated as evidence that the ATF needed more restrictive laws to impose on gun dealers. These weapons were used in hundreds of murders. When Congress challenged Holder on the operation, his staff at the Department of Justice offered a false statement that the ATF always attempted to interdict weapons before crossing the border, which they had to withdraw when documents began appearing that clearly contradicted it. Even to this day, Holder has told Congress that he has communications regarding Fast and Furious that he will not release to investigators in the House who have demanded them.

If all Holder has in defense of his performance and that of his Department of Justice is playing the race card in an attempt to bully his critics into silence, then he truly has no defense at all. With the families of 300 murder victims mourning deaths delivered by the ATF’s weaponry, dismissing criticism of Holder’s performance as attorney general as bigotry is not just despicable, it should be a disqualification for the office he holds.

Actually, I disagree with the headline a bit.  It’s actually long past time that Holder tender his resignation, and it’s frankly puzzling that he’s remained AG for as long as he has.  The very best argument that one can factually construct for Holder in light of Fast & Furious is that he and his team are incompetent, which hardly recommends his continued presence at the Department of Justice.

I discussed this with Uma Pemmeraju at FoxNews.com this morning:


Matthew Boyle at the Daily Caller interviewed Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL), who thinks that the sound of silence from the White House means that Barack Obama sanctioned this smear ploy by Holder:

Walsh agrees with Florida Republican Rep. Allen West’s assessment of Holder’s behavior, saying Holder’s race card is the “last card in the deck.”

“This is sort of the last refuge that people on the left will go to when they’re in trouble,” Walsh said in a phone interview. “They’ll accuse their opponents of racism. My God, we’ve got tons of problems in this country and … this president, is through Eric Holder, saying, ‘Nope, you can’t criticize me. If you criticize me, we’re going to accuse you of racism.’ Shame on them, that’s terrible.”

Walsh said Obama’s continued silence in the face of Holder’s inflammatory rhetoric demonstrates that the president shares in the blame for the attorney general’s choice of words.

“His [Obama’s] silence, to me, tells me the president is complicit in this,” Walsh said. “And, even if he does come out and say something, I can’t believe Eric Holder can even make a statement like that. In his statement he refers to himself and the president. I can’t believe that Eric Holder made that statement without either understanding that the president agreed with it, or [that] he had the president’s permission to say this.”

Yes, it certainly seems that way.


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Holder’s first public speech after Obama picked him was about how the US is “a nation of cowards” because we don’t talk about race enough.
Hey, champ, here’s a clue: We talk about race Way Too Much.

itsnotaboutme on December 20, 2011 at 8:09 PM

I’m with Col. West on this:
It has nothing to do with AG Holder’s skin color, but entirely with the fact that he is incompetent, and has lied to Congress.

Another Drew on December 20, 2011 at 8:12 PM

The ATF then tried to use the purchases they facilitated as evidence that the ATF needed more restrictive laws to impose on gun dealers.

Illegality to support unconstitutionality.

Makes AG John Mitchell look good.

AshleyTKing on December 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM

If Mr. Holder’s accusation is to be considerate accurate, why do I feel exactly the same way about Harry Reid? Or Nancy Pelosi? Etc., Etc.

The only reason he probably won’t be impeached is the fact that Democrats control the Senate, which is the “court” for impeachment proceedings. Otherwise, he’d be history by now.

GoldenEagle4444 on December 20, 2011 at 8:18 PM

“…and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Yeah, keep telling yourself that,big guy. It’ll make a nice epitaph for the Obama administration, and your tenure at the DOJ.

arik1969 on December 20, 2011 at 8:19 PM

I think the strategy is to string this along until other stories knock it out of the news, and hope this fizzles out or people get bored of talking about it. They hope the MSM will show enough of their sound bites to provide them cover.

Flange on December 20, 2011 at 8:19 PM

Makes AG John Mitchell look good.

AshleyTKing on December 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM

John Mitchell would have done a much better cover-up job. Holder can’t even do that right.

SlaveDog on December 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Holder. Marc Rich Pardon. Should’ve never been confirmed as AG in the first place, and his actions since only confirm that. That he now plays the race card, it’s really the libs’ “wild card”, since that’s all that’s left in their deck, is not surprising, of course.

TXUS on December 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

When I read the title of this post at first, I thought it was a reference to the Republican bloggers and commentators who are desperately trying to prevent a Ron Paul primary win in Iowa by depicting him as a racist.

theodore on December 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Impeach…

golfmann on December 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM

First of all, you’re lookin’ downright skinny, Mr. Ed! Lost a few pounds?

Re: Holder, he knows he’s going to get thrown under Obummer’s bus, so he’s laying the groundwork for his “legacy” — i.e., enabling the Revisionist Left to leave the lasting impression that it was, indeed, right-wing racism that brought him down.

KS Rex on December 20, 2011 at 8:25 PM

and it’s frankly puzzling that he’s remained AG for as long as he has.

The Audacity of hope was not your first clue? Even after hearing about Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright? Obama from the very first has been daring anyone to stop him. He brags about going around congress, brags about how it would be better if he was just supreme leader. He’s telling you what he is doing, and dares anyone to stop him.

Just like this latest fandango, the house writes up a bill giving Obama everything he wants, so Reid changes the bill and sends it back to the house, and adjourns the senate and dares the House to refuse to pass the bill.

Obama and his party will continue to do more of the same until the GOP gets some courage and refuses to play that game.

Skandia Recluse on December 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM

This is the same guy that said they would not prosecute black on white crime, including the Black Panther voter intimidation case. Racism, indeed.

tballard on December 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Ed!!!!! “…deaths committed by weapons…” WITH weapons, Ed! Stay on target Luke, stay on target…
Lan Astaslem

fewenuff on December 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM

SlaveDog on December 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

I was thinking character.

AshleyTKing on December 20, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Whoa, Ed, you are anorexic?

carbon_footprint on December 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

I suspect they don’t want to fire Holder for the same reason Presidents could never fire Hoover. He knew where all the scandals were buried.

RBMN on December 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Sorry, even blind people think he’s an idiot.

waterytart on December 20, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Can I play, too?

The only reason Holder is unconcerned about 200-300 deaths is because they’re Mexican, and Holder and his DOJ is prejudiced against anyone who isn’t black. For supporting evidence, see his dismissal of charges against the NBP members already convicted of threatening violence against white voters.

Socratease on December 20, 2011 at 8:34 PM

“I think that people, despite my law enforcement background,

I take exception to your role as a defense lawyer for terrorists and an activist for terrorists rights within the regime being described as your ‘law enforcement background’.

That’s like a professional burglar referencing his ‘professional security background’.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2011 at 8:36 PM

Wow Ed, have you no shame posting this title and subtitle after you are doing the EXACT same thing to Ron Paul? When in doubt, smear. Sounds just about right.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 8:37 PM

If they didn’t remind me that they were black at every turn, I’d not be so inclined to take that into consideration. But, these are the people that feel the continual necessity to remind us that people are gay, pro life, pro choice, anti war, pro war, purple, green, blue, Christian, Muslim, and a former baton twirler in 1972………WAY fond of labels unless it’s when identifying a Democrat involved in a scandal, then it’s simply a generic idiot. So glad I am an edu-ma-cated female-anderthal in flyover country…….but then again, I actually slung hash and paid for my own education, so I guess I don’t count.

waterytart on December 20, 2011 at 8:41 PM

It’s actually long past time that Holder tender his resignation sit in jail, and it’s frankly puzzling that he’s remained AG free for as long as he has.

I fixed it for you Ed.

TulsAmerican on December 20, 2011 at 8:42 PM

If Mr. Holder’s accusation is to be considerate accurate, why do I feel exactly the same way about Harry Reid? Or Nancy Pelosi? Etc., Etc.

The only reason he probably won’t be impeached is the fact that Democrats control the Senate, which is the “court” for impeachment proceedings. Otherwise, he’d be history by now.

GoldenEagle4444 on December 20, 2011 at 8:18 PM

Actually, impeachment starts in the House, I believe. The trial is in the Senate.

So Holder could be (should be!) impeached. But probably won’t be convicted. Speaking along purely political party lines, that is…

ProfShadow on December 20, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I suspect they don’t want to fire Holder for the same reason Presidents could never fire Hoover. He knew where all the scandals were buried.

RBMN on December 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Literally, in at least a few cases.

MelonCollie on December 20, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Guns don’t kill people. Right wing blogs kill people. /

Paul-Cincy on December 20, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Whoa, Ed, you are anorexic?

carbon_footprint on December 20, 2011 at 8:29 PM

Nope, just down to 215 at 6 feet. I think in this case the aspect ratio made me look thinner than I was.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM

When I read the title of this post at first, I thought it was a reference to the Republican bloggers and commentators who are desperately trying to prevent a Ron Paul primary win in Iowa by depicting him as a racist.

theodore on December 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Heh. Because it’s so unfair to paint a guy who made a few million dollars publishing racist literature as a racist. There’s a winning argument.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

GOOD INTERVIEW ED. ON POINT AND YOU HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK. I LIKE CLEAR AND CONCISE THINKING & SPEAKING.

hermitmind on December 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Great interview Ed, and good to see you and Hot Air getting the national media attention you deserve.

Though I did notice one little mistake you made a couple of times. You referred to Holder’s “ideology”, when you should have said ‘idiotology’. /

Flora Duh on December 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Start impeachment proceedings already….

RAGIN CAJUN on December 20, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Nope, just down to 215 at 6 feet. I think in this case the aspect ratio made me look thinner than I was.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Well, that is good. I weigh 30 more pounds then you do at the same height.

carbon_footprint on December 20, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Heh. Because it’s so unfair to paint a guy who made a few million dollars publishing racist literature as a racist. There’s a winning argument.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Because you refuse to acknowledge that NOTHING in his 20 year voting record denotes a hint of racism. None of his verifiable public statements denote a HINT of racism. That its fairly widely thought that it was Lew Rockwell that wrote them. Accuse Ron Paul of being inept if you want by allowing the publishing under his name, but to call him racist with ZERO evidence shows how you are no better than some scummy liberal blogger. Seriously its pathetic to stoop to that level.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 8:56 PM

OT..Hey! Pretty nice picture there….looking pretty good!

Back on:

“…and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Yeah, keep telling yourself that,big guy. It’ll make a nice epitaph for the Obama administration, and your tenure at the DOJ.

arik1969 on December 20, 2011 at 8:19 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

AND THEY ARE BOTH RACIST BIGOTS!

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Because you refuse to acknowledge that NOTHING in his 20 year voting record denotes a hint of racism. None of his verifiable public statements denote a HINT of racism. That its fairly widely thought that it was Lew Rockwell that wrote them. Accuse Ron Paul of being inept if you want by allowing the publishing under his name, but to call him racist with ZERO evidence shows how you are no better than some scummy liberal blogger. Seriously its pathetic to stoop to that level.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 8:56 PM

Horsecrap. Publishing those newsletters was Paul’s main source of income for years, they were clearly part of his political efforts, and as such they are as relevant as books written and speeches given by other candidates in the primaries. Whether or not Lew Rockwell wrote them, Paul published them and profited by them. If Ronulans can’t stand having their hero’s record held up to the light, they should either find another hero or another pastime.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM

Though I did notice one little mistake you made a couple of times. You referred to Holder’s “ideology”, when you should have said ‘idiotology’. /

Flora Duh on December 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

I’ll try to keep that in mind in the future. ;-)

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:12 PM

Heh. Because it’s so unfair to paint a guy who made a few million dollars publishing racist literature as a racist. There’s a winning argument.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM

Also, you would be VERY at home writing for Daily Kos with the way you represent Ron Paul. “publishing racist literature” ??? What percentage of the monthly newsletters published over a decade held any racist material? But you label it racist literature as if he was publishing the KKK field manual monthly . . .

Dude, its pretty pathetic to stoop to the tripe that is published by liberal bloggers on Daily Kos. You seem to have no problem with doing so though . . .

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 9:23 PM

Also, you would be VERY at home writing for Daily Kos with the way you represent Ron Paul. “publishing racist literature” ??? What percentage of the monthly newsletters published over a decade held any racist material?

So you’ve gone from saying Paul is 100% not racist to … what? 75%? 55%? You tell me — what is the acceptable percentage level for publishing racist material? And then explain how the Republican Party is supposed to sell the notion that only being 10% racist as the party leader is A-OK in a general election.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Game, set, match :)

itsnotaboutme on December 20, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Hey Holder!
Realistically and factually you are incompetent.

Go West!

tacodawn on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 PM

So you’ve gone from saying Paul is 100% not racist to … what? 75%? 55%? You tell me — what is the acceptable percentage level for publishing racist material? And then explain how the Republican Party is supposed to sell the notion that only being 10% racist as the party leader is A-OK in a general election.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Ed, that is so unfair. Applying logic in such a direct manner is liable to give thphilli a brain ache.

Waiting for a reasonable reply is liable to give you a brain ache. ;-)

Yoop on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 PM

theodore on December 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM

Nah. Paul’s racism is old news and established fact. We would, however, like to know why ronpaul considers confessed traitor Bradley (Brianna) Manning to be a “hero”.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2011/12/20/ron-paul-says-army-traitor-bradley-manning-a-brave-patriot/

Solaratov on December 20, 2011 at 9:50 PM

When you best defense is incompetence and your best offense is the race card, its time to go.

Perhaps soon the power of race accusation will be gone.

Speakup on December 20, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I think it’s pathetic and disgusting that Holder is trying to play the race card as a last resort. I just can’t help notice that Hotair is highlighting this fact coming off several articles where they do the exact same to Ron Paul. I’m sorry. It’s impossible to notice the hypocrisy.

ModerateMan on December 20, 2011 at 9:59 PM

It is rather interesting seeing how conservatives can use race-baiting against Paul, but when Holder does the same thing to the war warmongering GOP…. But let’s just get down to what this is really about.

A lot of you guys hate that Paul’s foreign policy is starting to gain some traction within the GOP. One of those polls showed that Paul is now getting the most votes from the GOP.

The party establishment and punditry have “sold their soul” to an interventionist foreign policy that endorses nation-building and Paul dares remind them that the “conservative” position used to be exactly opposite and that in our post 9/11 emotional-haste we failed to think it through logically as to WHY we were so willing to change everything we used to believe in. I thought conservatives STUCK to their PRINCIPLES?

I voted for Bush. Twice.

It’s amazing to go back to 2000 and see Bush lecture candidate Gore on how we should not be the policeman of the world, how the arabs would see as arrogant and that being arrogant would make us more hated around the world and stir up more hostilities against us.

He was right and 9/11 was actually evidence of just how right he was. Our foreign policy had created negative consequences.

What he failed to understand is just how long our intervention had been going on. And he went completely in the wrong direction, forsaking his so-called principles of non-intervention.

He should have stuck to his principles which said the conservative response to 9/11 would have been to directly go after those responsible, but seek to remove our forces from places in which they have little reason to be.

Let the nations be responsible for their own security. Ironically, President Bush who get’s so much credit for sticking to his principles did the exact same thing in the 2008 market slow-down. “Government must save capitalism”. It’s truly remarkable how short everyone’s memory is.

And now we’ve got Obama who has done the exact same things. Everything he ran on has been ignored and in fact, he’s done almost completely the opposite! Who’s running this country!?

This is why I like Paul.

I KNOW he’ll INTEND to do everything he SAYS HE WILL DO.

And he won’t abandon the free market to save capitalism.

He won’t abandon non-interventionism and the constitution because of emotion.

And these newsletters, which should not have been written under his name will do nothing to change my opinion of him because I’ve investigated his past and current statements enough to realize he did not agree with or write them. Everyone else will have to make their own decision on them. For me? They mean nothing. This is why his support is so loyal, and the GOP who seems to hate him so much could learn a great deal from him.

Why is okay for the GOP to nominate a progressive like McCain, but not okay to nominate an honest limited government person like Paul? Paul dares you to live up to your hype, that’s why.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:00 PM

OK Ed, tell us fat white working class voters what diet you used? You look great!

I am not a racist on December 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM

It is rather interesting seeing how conservatives can use race-baiting against Paul, but when Holder does the same thing to the war warmongering GOP…. But let’s just get down to what this is really about.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:00 PM

What this is really about is that Ron Paul is implausibly denying what he allowed his name to be put on. That’s not race baiting, when the person you accuse has actually put his name on racist statements.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM

The aroma of Ron Paul whine has become overpowering in here.

Leave it to his supporters to turn a thread that is supposed to be about the injustice of the Brian Terry, Jamie Zapata and hundreds of Mexican civilians MURDERS into a defense of their of hero.

There’s Ron Paul threads here and here.

Take your Paul Pity Party to them.

Flora Duh on December 20, 2011 at 10:13 PM

What this is really about is that Ron Paul is implausibly denying what he allowed his name to be put on. That’s not race baiting, when the person you accuse has actually put his name on racist statements.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:07 PM

That’s like saying any comments on HotAir can be attributed to the site owners. Paul was not running the newsletter, as he’s admitting he should have been watching it much more closely, but in the end it does not matter today because he’s not racist, does not hold those views, never has, has given free medical care to blacks, supports MLK, MLK is his hero, Von Misses is his hero.

Oh, and Paul has said he’d think about Walter E. Williams as his VICE!!

LMAO. Racist my ass.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Oh and Holder should be fired.

One thing I remember is how the “Justice Department” a year or so ago wanted to argue that essentially whites could not be treated equally under the law when it came to racism claims because racist laws were not intended to apply to them! lol

I forget the exact wording, but Big Government did a big thing on it. If that was true, that to me is directly in violation of what the JUSTICE DEPARTMENT should be doing. Too many “Van Jones” up in that dept now.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:20 PM

That’s like saying any comments on HotAir can be attributed to the site owners.

Horsecrap again. These statements weren’t in letters to the editor; they were in the articles published in the newsletter by Paul, sold by Paul, in the organization that employed several members of Paul’s family.

And as for those who claim that we’re “playing the race card,” you obviously don’t know what that phrase means. We’re talking about the undeniable fact that Paul published racist material and nonsense conspiracy theories, and did so while profiting handsomely by it. We’re not claiming victimhood on the basis of our skin color.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM

So you’ve gone from saying Paul is 100% not racist to … what? 75%? 55%? You tell me — what is the acceptable percentage level for publishing racist material? And then explain how the Republican Party is supposed to sell the notion that only being 10% racist as the party leader is A-OK in a general election.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 PM

I didn’t realize it was the republican position to accuse people of racism without clear evidence that they are. In fact, ALL of the evidence points to Paul not being a racist, as he has a LONG record of votes and a LONG record of public speaking. Yet you sit here and freely call him a racist. To me, thats pathetic. I am sure many on this site are fine with it, which is testament to how far in the GOP has gone.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:23 PM

Oh, and Paul has said he’d think about Walter E. Williams as his VICE!!

LMAO. Racist my ass.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Well I guess that makes it all okay./

The difference is that HotAir doesn’t claim authorship of any of the comments made herein. Where does Ron Paul have a disclaimer disavowing any of the things he actually had his name on in authorship of? LOGIC FAIL.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Paging Wikileaks…
Oh wait.

hazchic on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Horsecrap. Publishing those newsletters was Paul’s main source of income for years, they were clearly part of his political efforts, and as such they are as relevant as books written and speeches given by other candidates in the primaries. Whether or not Lew Rockwell wrote them, Paul published them and profited by them. If Ronulans can’t stand having their hero’s record held up to the light, they should either find another hero or another pastime.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I am fine with having his record held up to the light. What Is horsecrap is that he has explained on numerous occasions that he didn’t write those newsletters, yet “journalists” like yourself freely call him a racist because of what was published within. Should he have to answer for publishing those works, YES. And he has, time and time and time again.

So are you calling him a liar? If so, what evidence do you have?

Are you calling him inept? If so, why do you freely refer to him as a racist when you believe he didn’t know what was being published?

What is it?

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:26 PM

LOGIC FAIL.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Yeah, well, there’s a lot of that with the Ronulans.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM

“This is sort of the last refuge that people on hotair will go to when they’re in trouble,” Walsh said in a phone interview. “They’ll accuse their opponents of racism. My God, we’ve got tons of problems in this country and … this president, is through Eric Holder, saying, ‘Nope, you can’t criticize me. If you criticize me, we’re going to accuse you of racism.’ Shame on them, that’s terrible.”

Gall on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM

And as for those who claim that we’re “playing the race card,” you obviously don’t know what that phrase means.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM

They know, Ed.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:29 PM

Yeah, well, there’s a lot of that with the Ronulans.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM

Well I don’t attribute it to stupidity. They know better. But a Ronulan is like an ugly woman at closing time at the neighborhood beer bar. They can both smell desperation a mile away. And if there’s one thing that the average American voter is feeling in abundance this cycle, it’s desperation.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:31 PM

If so, why do you freely refer to him as a racist when you believe he didn’t know what was being published?

What is it?

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:26 PM

Because I think he’s full of crap when he says he didn’t know what was in the newsletters. They generated millions in revenues over a long period of time, they provided his family members with a salary, and we’re supposed to believe that he never checked out what was making him all that cash? Yeah … and Obama never heard Jeremiah Wright say anything controversial, either.

Whether or not he wrote them, Paul published that racist material. And you still have yet to explain to me (a) what percentage of racist material is acceptable for a publisher who wants to run for national office, and (b) how you propose to rebut it when Team Obama runs this stuff day and night for six months if Paul’s the nominee. Since, you know, you’ve already admitted that you’re just concerned about percentages.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM

And as for those who claim that we’re “playing the race card,” you obviously don’t know what that phrase means. We’re talking about the undeniable fact that Paul published racist material and nonsense conspiracy theories, and did so while profiting handsomely by it. We’re not claiming victimhood on the basis of our skin color.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Uh, what utter horsecrap again. You are outright calling him a racist even though there is ZERO evidence of it. You proclaimed in this very thread that its not unfair to paint him as a racist because he profited off of the newsletters. WOW, I sure would like to see you apply the same standard to Romney and Gingrich. Of course you would NEVER do that, because you would be called out INSTANTLY for being ridiculous.

Or will you call my bluff and apply these same standards to Romney profiting off of closing businesses and Gingrich profiting off of taxpayer Fannie and Freddie money? Nah, of course you wont.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM

So are you calling him a liar? If so, what evidence do you have?

I know this is directed at Ed, but let me take a stab at it:

HOW ABOUT THE ARTICLES WITH HIS FREAKING NAME LISTED ON THEM AS THE AUTHOR?!

Are you calling him inept? If so, why do you freely refer to him as a racist when you believe he didn’t know what was being published?

What is it?

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:26 PM

I’m guessing Ed would be kind enough to call Ron Paul inept. Not me. But then again, I push a lot of envelopes here and I don’t want to cross the line into banhammer territory, so I’m not going to tell you what I really think here.

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:33 PM

Whether or not he wrote them, Paul published that racist material. And you still have yet to explain to me (a) what percentage of racist material is acceptable for a publisher who wants to run for national office, and (b) how you propose to rebut it when Team Obama runs this stuff day and night for six months if Paul’s the nominee. Since, you know, you’ve already admitted that you’re just concerned about percentages.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 10:32 PM

He would say:

Its 30 years old. I didn’t write them. I take responsibility for having published them. During the time they were published I was a full time doctor during the time those were published and I was unaware of their content at all. My record clearly shows no racial bias and never in my hundreds of public speaking events have I ever said anything racist.

The End.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:36 PM

Horsecrap again. These statements weren’t in letters to the editor; they were in the articles published in the newsletter by Paul, sold by Paul, in the organization that employed several members of Paul’s family.

And as for those who claim that we’re “playing the race card,” you obviously don’t know what that phrase means. We’re talking about the undeniable fact that Paul published racist material and nonsense conspiracy theories, and did so while profiting handsomely by it. We’re not claiming victimhood on the basis of our skin color.

Paul was not aware there was racist material in said newsletters and he has said he did not handle day-to-day operations over content. So the comparison still fits.

I think you’re missing the point, though.

The neoconservative media has largely pushed this out there, in the last few weeks. And now the mainstream media is talking about this as thoughPAUL WROTE THIS STUFF, PERSONALLY.

Yet, I don’t see Sean Hannity, Hot Air, Red State, Limbaugh going out of their way to clear that up – No, in this case people misconstruing Paul as a racist, is cool.

This is clearly a hit piece that certain people want to be misconstrued on purpose in order to make people think he might be racist.

If Ron Paul were Pro-War you wouldn’t give a crap about this story, nor would Hannity, Limbaugh and ECT have pushed it the way they have.

THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE. It’s just Partisan hackery.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 PM

The End.

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:36 PM

But that won’t be the end. You know it and I know it. And long after the Republicans are done making hay with this, the Dems will be salivating over the chance to ask “what did Ron Paul know and when did he know it?”

gryphon202 on December 20, 2011 at 10:42 PM

thphilli on December 20, 2011 at 10:23 PM

look, we’ve all seen our preferred candidates get whacked by something they have done or said.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence that could lead you to believe Herman Cain is a serial philanderer. I dont think he is, but that does not matter.

Perry – see camp n*****head and the brain freeze heard ’round the world. I dont think he is a racist or dumb, but that does not matter.

Gingrich – see “the couch”, Freddie Mac. I dont think he believes in AGW anymore, but that doesnt matter.

Bachman – see Gardasil. I dont think something like this is relevant in a Presidential race, that doesnt matter.

Romney – see multiple public, recorded statements about how moderate/liberal he is. I dont think he is more liberal than Obama, but that does not matter.

Santorum – odd focus on sodomy laws. I dont think something like this is relevant in a Presidential race, but that does not matter.

Paul – like it or not, he put his name on the masthead of a publication that occasionally had racist articles in them. I do not think he is a racist, but that does not matter.

There is no perfect candidate. make your case FOR your candidate, but dont whine when obvious faults are pointed out. we have ALL been there. deal with it.

Coolidge_Conservative on December 20, 2011 at 10:44 PM

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 PM

everything every candidate has said or done is fair game. it is what it is. thats why we have primaries and vet these folks.

i am glad the information about Herman Cain came out when it did, and removed him from the race. I am a Cainiac, and i 1000% believe him when he says the accusations are false. But, its better to get this out now and get thru it than to have this dumped on the electorate in September or October of 2012.

you think its unfair? fine. but Ed and others have perfectly legitimate points about how something like this will likely play out in the unfriendly media 6-9 months from now.

Coolidge_Conservative on December 20, 2011 at 10:51 PM

There is no perfect candidate. make your case FOR your candidate, but dont whine when obvious faults are pointed out. we have ALL been there. deal with it.

Coolidge_Conservative on December 20, 2011 at 10:44 PM

Hey, I’m all for bringing them up and churning them around as must as possible so that whoever gets the nod, it’ll be old news.

Because you can forget the Socialist National Media talking about all of El Presidente Downgrade’s faults, gaffes, scandals and failures (those last two could be their own cable networks)

Chip on December 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM

you think its unfair? fine. but Ed and others have perfectly legitimate points about how something like this will likely play out in the unfriendly media 6-9 months from now.

Coolidge_Conservative on December 20, 2011 at 10:51 PM

I get what you’re saying and typically you’d be right, except for one important thing;

The Hannity’s and Limbaugh’sh will vote for Obama over Paul. Obama equals more war and intervention than Paul. They want and support war above all else. Ordinarily you would be very correct, but in this instance you fail to realize just how important WAR and FOREIGN INTERVENTION is in their minds.

You might be reasonable and can say – well we do need to cut spending, so why not over-seas?

But the establishment has made a life out of supporting any war, anywhere and for any reason. To now admit they’ve been wrong is just NOT going to happen.

I can admit I was wrong in my support of Bush for all those years. I was completely mislead, and naive.

I did not have a very good understanding of liberty, limited government and how consistency on those two issues is so important to truly maintaining a free and prosperous society.

And to see how our intervention into both the economy and middle east has only lead to more insecurity in those to areas was proof enough to me. But then again, I’m just a fat guy living in Oklahoma City. I don’t make a living doing blogging and putting my opinions out there. I can change my mind and it’s of little consequence.

But not for people like Rush! Their entire livelihood and credibility is on the line and so it’s much more difficult to get honest, thoughtful changes. But I can dream.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Horsecrap. Publishing those newsletters was Paul’s main source of income for years, they were clearly part of his political efforts, and as such they are as relevant as books written and speeches given by other candidates in the primaries. Whether or not Lew Rockwell wrote them, Paul published them and profited by them. If Ronulans can’t stand having their hero’s record held up to the light, they should either find another hero or another pastime.

Ed Morrissey on December 20, 2011 at 9:11 PM

If I’m ever in a political debate, I call you for my side, Ed! Well done!

herm2416 on December 20, 2011 at 11:09 PM

If I were a White Lib-Tard Dem….I’d be DEMANDING a primary (and an apology).

Tim_CA on December 20, 2011 at 11:58 PM

It is typical of Obama and Axelrod to use race as a shield for corruption and to smear those seeking answers. Their lack of character is evident.

pat on December 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM

It used to be that patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel. Today it’s the race card. Holder is as much caucasian as he is African, but that never stopped anybody from charging racism.

flataffect on December 21, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Yes Ed, you’re using the race card.
In a way, you act a little bit different than the left’s modus operandi which is resorting to smear tactics when losing the argument. Because in your case Ed, you’re using the newsletters solely to smear the man and not even discuss any of his actual positions on discrimination and others civil rights issues.
So Ed, I would be more interested to know what’s your position on the following questions:
Does the civil right act of 1964 infringe the principle of freedom of association?
Can a restaurant owner can refuse to serve anyone, including a person of color?
Are you against affirmative action?
Do you oppose birth right citizenship?
Was the civil war fought over state’s rights or slavery?
The left basically accuses Ron Paul of racism based on his stances of theses issues. Do you agree with them?

And if theses newsletters contain homosexual slurs, can you tell me why Ron Paul is regularly bashed for his “pro-gay” stances such as repealing DADT and his opposition to the federal marriage amendment act.

Gall on December 21, 2011 at 1:13 AM

It’s actually long past time that Holder tender his resignation, and it’s frankly puzzling that he’s remained AG for as long as he has.

Ahhhhh…he’s a democrat. I’m not sure if a dead teenage tranny prostitute in his hotel room would be enough for him to have to resign…

Caper29 on December 21, 2011 at 1:41 AM

Paul didn’t know the content of the articles published in his newsletters and the obamanation never heard Wright preach God damn Amerikkka at any time during his 25 years of attendance at “church” services…Got it

Gohawgs on December 21, 2011 at 1:56 AM

Smear or vet

conservativeBC on December 21, 2011 at 6:25 AM

Can I play, too?

The only reason Holder is unconcerned about 200-300 deaths is because they’re Mexican, and Holder and his DOJ is prejudiced against anyone who isn’t black.
Socratease on December 20, 2011 at 8:34 PM

So, why not play up this racism angle in ads aimed at Hispanics? Because it’s what Democrats would do? Of course we can’t play by the aggressor’s rules. We must be nice little whipping boys, mustn’t we?

swinia sutki on December 21, 2011 at 6:43 AM

Irony, considering the smears on Paul that Ed has been engaged in recently.

Take the beam out of your own eye.

Dante on December 21, 2011 at 7:51 AM

Yet, I don’t see Sean Hannity, Hot Air, Red State, Limbaugh going out of their way to clear that up – No, in this case people misconstruing Paul as a racist, is cool.

This is clearly a hit piece that certain people want to be misconstrued on purpose in order to make people think he might be racist.

If Ron Paul were Pro-War you wouldn’t give a crap about this story, nor would Hannity, Limbaugh and ECT have pushed it the way they have.

THAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE. It’s just Partisan hackery.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 PM

^^Truth. That’s a good point regarding Hannity et al.

The bottom line is that Ron Paul falls outside the allowed spectrum of acceptable views and opinion as determined by the media. It’s why the media has largely ignored him until these past few days.

Ed, doesn’t it strike you as odd that Paul is the only limited government candidate with historically conservative views (research conservatism and non-interventionism), who’s record in Congress is fiscally sound and supports his limited government beliefs, who champions liberty, and he’s being made out to be an evil person? The media and the Rep/Dems are absolutely scared of his message.

Come on, man. Put two and two together.

Dante on December 21, 2011 at 8:46 AM

Holder should be in prison and so too should the Emperor Zero.

Irony, considering the smears on Paul that Ed has been engaged in recently.

Take the beam out of your own eye.

Dante on December 21, 2011 at 7:51 AM

It’s not a smear. You and the others are sadly mistaken. If I put my name on a thing I own it, which is why I would never have put my name on the shyte Paul DID.

HE OWNS IT.

dogsoldier on December 21, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Libertarians, Gary Johnson is now your candidate. Get thee to a voting booth and stop trying to hedge your bets in the REPUBLICAN primary. -signed, Republican voters.

Ergo Sum on December 21, 2011 at 10:26 AM

Libertarians, Gary Johnson is now your candidate. Get thee to a voting booth and stop trying to hedge your bets in the REPUBLICAN primary. -signed, Republican voters.

Ergo Sum on December 21, 2011 at 10:26 AM

You make the mistake of equating libertarians with Libertarians. One is a political party, the other isn’t.

Dante on December 21, 2011 at 11:08 AM

Excuse me, Mr. Holder. You claim that you and the president are “African-Americans.” Wrong. You might be, but President Obama is only an African, not an African-American. Therefore, since he is in office illegally, so are you! Every appointment, every executive order, every single authorization and policy is illegal. In other words, you’re part of an unconstitutional administration, and as such, are the enemy of all true Americans. You’re a liar and murderer, and not qualified for any office anywhere. See you on Judgment Day.

Gordy on December 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Refusal to comply with congressional requests for DOJ documents is anti-racist?

Akzed on December 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM

Is this an Eric Holder thread or a Ron Paul thread?

Or did Ron Paul have racist articles about Holder

in his publication?

Or is Holder failing to pursue action against Paul

because…… um.. um..

What were we talkin’ about again ?

amadan on December 21, 2011 at 4:07 PM

amadan on December 21, 2011 at 4:07 PM

It’s a Ed using the race card thread.

Gall on December 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM