Romney, Gingrich tie at 30% in latest WaPo/ABC poll

posted at 8:45 am on December 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Has the Republican primary fight become a two-man race, at least on a national level?  A second national poll shows Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney tied, this time the WaPo/ABC poll, which shows them at 30% each:

Two weeks before Iowans cast the first votes of the 2012 election cycle, Republicans nationally are sharply divided over whom their party’s presidential nominee should be, with Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich locked in a dead-even race, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Gingrich and Romney are each favored by 30 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents. Running behind them is Rep. Ron Paul (Tex.), whose libertarian philosophy has attracted a strong following. He stands at 15 percent, about double his tally in an early November poll. All other active candidates are in the single digits.

The rise of Ron Paul in this poll may have to do with the poll sample itself, which oversampled independents while undersampling Republicans.  The sample has a D/R/I of 32/25/37, in which Democrats have a +7 over Republicans and independents a +12 over the GOP.  In neither of the last two elections have independents outvoted Republicans in the exit polls.  In 2008, the D/R/I was 39/32/29, and in 2010 — the Tea Party midterms — it was 35/35/29. The poll doesn’t break down the internals for support of each candidate, but the large oversample of independents are almost certainly the main contributing factor to Paul’s performance in this poll.

Regarding Romney and Gingrich, however, the WaPo poll seems to corroborate two other polls this week.  Yesterday’s CNN poll showed Romney catching up with a still-rising Gingrich at 28%, and had Paul in third at 14%.  Gallup also shows Romney and Gingrich in a virtual tie, but calls this a “collapse,” as they had shown Gingrich far in front a couple of weeks ago:

After enjoying 14- to 15-percentage-point leads over Mitt Romney in early December, Newt Gingrich is now statistically tied with Romney in national Republican preferences for the 2012 GOP presidential nomination: 26% for Gingrich vs. 24% for Romney. This follows a steady decline in support for Gingrich in the past 10 days.

Interestingly, Gallup’s tracking poll — which polls daily, much more often than WaPo or CNN — doesn’t show any significant change in Paul’s support.  They have him at 11%, but two weeks ago he was at 10%.  On a national basis, this has become a two-man race, but Gallup’s tracking poll shows a significant opening for another candidate to change that dynamic.  The rise of both Romney and Gingrich in the other two polls make it look like that window is rapidly closing.


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Romney is the Wimp of the two. . . we don’t need another wimp in the White House!

Go Newt or Perry!

Pragmatic on December 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Romney 2012 ! She turned me into a Newt, but I git better.

hanzblinx on December 20, 2011 at 8:50 AM

No Newt, No Mitt, No more RINO/Progressive Nominees (20 plus years is enough).

Don’t look now but if the economy improves this # will go higher.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-job-approval-ratings-show-signs-of-improvement-post-abc-poll-finds/2011/12/19/gIQAdArC5O_story.html

Sadly, most Americans are self-focused and this could be a very very difficult race if we don’t nominate a CONTRAST, BOLD COLORS Conservative.

PappyD61 on December 20, 2011 at 8:52 AM

I’ve voted Republican for 30 plus years and I’m not voting for either one of them. It would be a shame if a rising star like Ryan or Rubio got tagged to either of those men on the ticket. What a waste.

Marcus on December 20, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Dear Santa: All I want for Christmas is a genuine conservative to run for President. Someone who understands that true conservatism, when practiced and articulated, never loses.

search4truth on December 20, 2011 at 8:54 AM

Perry still has a shot.

Southernblogger on December 20, 2011 at 8:58 AM

*sigh*

cmsinaz on December 20, 2011 at 8:59 AM

Duh Bro Gotta Go!

there it is on December 20, 2011 at 9:00 AM

Romney has been running for president for almost 8 years, it a disgrace he is not ahead by now. The message is clear. Conservatives DON’T like him

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:01 AM

Anyone think that Palin making comments about “not too late” to get in was a veiled warning to the Jeb Bush boomlet that was being trotted out by the talking heads?

just a thought.

she’s not running but the timing was just a bit odd.

PappyD61 on December 20, 2011 at 9:03 AM

Anyone think that Palin making comments about “not too late” to get in was a veiled warning to the Jeb Bush boomlet that was being trotted out by the talking heads?

just a thought.

she’s not running but the timing was just a bit odd.

PappyD61 on December 20, 2011 at 9:03 AM

I don’t know why she did it, but I doubt it had anything to do with the Jeb Talk. It’s not like he would be worse than any of these other clowns running.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 9:07 AM

I’m sorry ED, Newts trajectory is down. Mitts is-flatline{sigh}
Doctor Pauls is up(double sigh)

Gerry=moderate republican-mittbot=able to leap over tall buildings(on a Monopoly board)

gerrym51 on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

I find it ironic that right wing nuts and tea party members protested Obama last year during the summer for his socialist health care policies but is about to nominate the GODFATHER of the plan. I couldn’t even make this up even if I tried.

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Almost everyone else has surged. It might be Mitt’s turn now.

acorn on December 20, 2011 at 9:10 AM

Anyone who rather not vote, than vote for either one of these guys is not really a conservative. Any Republican candidate would be better than the disaster we have now. If you love your country, you’ll vote for anyone but Obama.

Romney, if he wins the nomination will no doubt be maligned as the “One Percent Candidate.” But this One Percent, 1 %, 99 % crap is just that as economist Brad Schiller proves in this video.
The biggest potential the Occupy movement has will be to influence the outcome of the election of with their BS.
The Dems have already claimed the movement as their own and they will use it to their advantage. The GOP needs a well-funded candidate to counter that.

bloggless on December 20, 2011 at 9:12 AM

Ed, oversampling a sub-population does not necessarily bias the results of the study, it just makes a more diverse demographic (like independents) a little bit easier to generalize.

Over-sampling is not the same thing as over-weighting.

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:12 AM

I find it ironic that right wing nuts and tea party members protested Obama last year during the summer for his socialist health care policies but is about to nominate the GODFATHER of the plan. I couldn’t even make this up even if I tried.

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

We’re not the section of the base trying to nominate him. Trust me, most of us aren’t happy about it. If he wins, he’ll still be 100 times better than the petulant manchild currently in the white house though, so there’s that.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Romney has a 10-point advantage on the key question of who Republicans think is most likely to beat Obama. Romney also leads Gingrich when it comes to dealing with issue No. 1, the economy. Gingrich counters with a big advantage on experience: By about 2 to 1, more see him as having the best résumé for the White House and as being the most qualified to be commander in chief.

Gingrich has a wide advantage — 36 percent to 22 percent — over Romney among those who consider themselves “very conservative.” The former House speaker edges Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, among those without college degrees and among those with annual household incomes under $75,000.

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:21 AM

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM

I don’t care what liberals think, but I have to care what independents think. And to the extent that they think at all, I have to conclude that independents will look at a GOP ticket topped by Romney and a party plank to repeal Obamacare and say, “These clowns don’t have their sh*t together. I guess I’ll stick with the aff’m action guy.”

It’s truly pathetic to watch Romney dance around the subject. He looks (body language) and sounds completely dishonest every time he tries to talk about Romneycare. He can talk about laboratories of democracy all he wants, but until he admits that it was a failure and details how it was a failure, he lacks all credibility.

BuckeyeSam on December 20, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Mitt Romney is going to make a fine nominee and will bring many, many Democrats into the tent to help grow the GOP into the sensible and centrist party that it should be. His interview on Morning Joe was excellent as was his time with Bill O’ last night. He is calm, cool, collected, and completely unapologetic in what he did in MA with health-care. Mitt’s the one!

Romney 2012

Punchenko on December 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

I find it ironic that lefties are so disconnected from society that anybody who does not worship the jug-eared idiot in power is a “right wing nut” or “tea party member.”

Dissent does not make one a nut no matter how much your side decides to fling divisive commentary and ideas out at the public. The defeat of Obama and the socialist agenda his accolytes support will be sweet justice followed by unrelenting revenge for all that your side has done these past years.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM

BuckeyeSam on December 20, 2011 at 9:23 AM

I agree, but what can we do? The MSM won’t vet him because they want’t to run against him and the establishment won’t vet him because it’s his turn and they would rather lose with dignity than allow the base to select someone who might derail the gravy train. Let’s cross our fingers for some deus ex machina that allows an actual conservative to win the nomination.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 9:27 AM

I honestly do not believe that the MSM is capable of producing a poll which does not OVERSAMPLE Democrats by at least 7 points.

Someone please show me a single MSM poll in the past 8 years that has “accidentally” oversampled Republicans by even a single point. Just one. No? Right.

mitchellvii on December 20, 2011 at 9:27 AM

I find it ironic that right wing nuts and tea party members protested Obama last year during the summer for his socialist health care policies but is about to nominate the GODFATHER of the plan. I couldn’t even make this up even if I tried.

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM

First of all, who are you calling ‘nuts’? Behave.

Secondly, you have no idea who the tea party movement is supporting because there is no tea party endorsed candidate.

The tea party movement’s influence is mostly local. It is not a consensus group other that supporting fiscal responsibility, free markets and a constitutionally limited government. Individuals speak as individuals, not for the movement.

And thirdly, if you are declaring that Romney is being promoted by the tea party movement, you are being purposefully mischievous.

Fallon on December 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM

You still haven’t answered the question as to why Republicans are about to nominate the godfather of Obamacare

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:33 AM

I guess Romney doesn’t have a 25% ceiling after all.

There is still time for a Perry comeback – but it’s going to have to start soon. A third or fourth place showing in Iowa could be all he needs to rally tea party support all to his corner.

fed-nad on December 20, 2011 at 9:35 AM

In neither of the last two elections have independents outvoted Republicans in the exit polls.

Which makes this poll by Wapo and ABC such a joke. But make no mistake, they, (the liberal media), have their own agenda-driven narrative to project, hence the skewed polls.

Watch Ron Paul win Iowa and the liberal media will project him as the “perfect third party candidate”, (which is the only person that “could” split enough of the Republican vote to put Obama back into the WH). Some one/Republican Party Leader should tell Iowans, that selecting Ron Paul will officially end their status of going first in any future primaries, since they’ve become so stupid.

Rovin on December 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM

Newt has been attacked without mercy and he is still tied with Mitt. Wait until the attacks begin on Mitt as the 1% who kills jobs for the beneift of his investors. This election is going to be dirty and Newt can handle it better than Mitt.

Kaffa on December 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Newt peaked to soon and he doesn’t have the ground organization to shore up his lead in the polls. That takes money. I don’t know has Newt Gingrich’s campaign been taking in more campaign contributions?

This is Perry’s opportunity to exploit. This would be a good time to introduce some more branding, and sloganeering get people repeating a positive sound bite from the news cycle.

The last Perry ad “I want to be the Tim Tebow of the Iowa Caucasus” that’s good branding. They ended the ad with Perry saying “I’ve got your back” that’s an excellent message. Basically Perry’s ad is telling the caucuses and primary voters – I’m on your side.

American leadership means sticking your neck out (up front) not covering all your egresses and leading from behind.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

too soon

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM

PappyD61 on December 20, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Your rhetorical rantings are entertaining as heck! lol Originally I thought you were just trolling for a fight, but I don’t believe that is the case. I believe that you are in stage two (anger) in the Kubler-Ross model of recovering from grief. I expect that when you are faced with the fact that the anger isn’t assuaging the grief you feel at your candidates epic failure to connect, you will move onto stage 3 (bargaining). This will serve you for a while. But in the end, in order for you to find peace, you will reach stage 5 (acceptance). I pray you find it sooner rather than later.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Hoping for a Perry surge…I think it’s coming.

Galadriel on December 20, 2011 at 9:44 AM

I honestly do not believe that the MSM is capable of producing a poll which does not OVERSAMPLE Democrats by at least 7 points.

mitchellvii on December 20, 2011 at 9:27 AM

For the love of God and science, oversampling is not the same thing as over-weighting. We don’t know what the weights used were, but most likely they would be based on an average of previous election turnouts. If a subgroup like the independents has larger variance (more diverse), then you would need a larger sample to get statistically significant conclusions. It doesn’t mean the findings for the independents were then weighted by the higher proportion.

I’m surprised that Ed of all people doesn’t know the difference either.

Ugh.

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Newt has been attacked without mercy and he is still tied with Mitt. Wait until the attacks begin on Mitt as the 1% who kills jobs for the beneift of his investors. This election is going to be dirty and Newt can handle it better than Mitt.

this is a liberal democrat talking point.Are you an obamabott

gerrym51 on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Romney is the Wimp of the two. . . we don’t need another wimp in the White House!

Go Newt or Perry!

Pragmatic on December 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Yep, it’s down to Perry and Gingrich for me too. Too bad Huntsman is so arrogant because he was a successful governor of Utah. He just doesn’t understand that arrogance doesn’t sell. That could just be bad campaign advice he’s been getting, but after his AGW rant about republicans being anti science, he follows up with dissing Donald Trump. Charlie Sheen Huntsman “Winning” lol.

If he can get past his- I got in a pissing contest with Donald Trump, and thumping his chest, he would realize there are people who like Trump, and his message. There is no reason to pick a fight with Donald Trump. The only person to date that got Barack H Obama to provide his long form birth certificate. Obama understands the demographic who vote for him, and that Trump appeals to much of the same demographic. They watch his program, the apprentice, they watch the view, and read people magazine. Huntsman has to get out of his own way. It’s called “finesse”.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

I really doubt that Republican voters are “sharply divided” and if we are, it’s only because many believe buy into the BS line that Mitt is the only one who can beat Obama. I’ve talked to hundreds of Republicans and not one of them wants Mitt Romney, Liberal Light.

Samantha on December 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

It doesn’t bother you that in a debate with Obama Perry would spend much of his time looking like a deer in the headlights? And if it doesn’t bother you, exactly how does the electorate still pick him over Obama? Really, explain how they get from his embarrassing debates to voting in spite of it?

Perry is the only candidate I see Obama giving more than 3 debates to. Heck, he’d probably love to do seven, three hour Lincoln/Douglas style debates with Perry.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I’ve talked to hundreds of Republicans and not one of them wants Mitt Romney, Liberal Light.

Samantha on December 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I’ve talked to thousands and even though some think he is not conservative enough,a huge majority will gladly vote for him.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM

Samantha on December 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I have never understood why the other campaigns haven’t adopted the same sound bite. name here _____only candidate that can win in the general GRIN. Then saturate the news cycle with it.

Romney himself has stated, no one is getting the nomination handed to them. The candidates have to work for it. Romney himself understands people don’t like to be told who they have to vote for as if their stupid and don’t recognize they are being manipulated by media talking points. But it’s the liberal media that wants Romney as the republican nominee they think they can beat him. Republicans have to be tired of the Lamestream Media picking their candidates and presidents. After all the MSM- corporate media, has done such a bang up job, up till now/

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 9:59 AM

I’ve talked to thousands and even though some think he is not conservative enough,a huge majority will gladly vote for him.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM

The voices in your head don’t count.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:00 AM

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 9:55 AM

Nope

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Any Conservative, that buys into the media manipulation for Romney, is letting themselves be duped. Stay Focused.

nofreelunch on December 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM

Punchenko on December 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM

Obama/Punchenko 2012

I’ve read enough of your posts now to know what your doing.

gerrym51 on December 20, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Romney is the Wimp of the two. . . we don’t need another wimp in the White House!
Go Newt or Perry!
Pragmatic on December 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM

Romney can’t identify Obama as a Socialist. He’s of the “no-labels” subset of RINO. You know, the decorous and sober sort, the highminded — the kind who trip over themselves to employ leftist slurs and memes on conservative opponents, e.g., “zany” and “reckless” and “bomb-thrower” (i.e., “terrorist”?), and to scaremonger the end of child labor laws and social security, yet somehow seem unable to lay hold of the basic moral clarity and intestinal fortitude to call out a Marxist predator ravaging the American constitutional landscape.

Those of you who didn’t pull out all your hair during the Great McCain Surrender of 2008, prepare to lose the rest. The Great Rino Reprise awaits.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:05 AM

When pressed by Bill O’Reilly Mitt refused to label the Present-dent a ‘socialist’, saying he would leave ‘name-calling’ to others.

Newsflash: He is a socialist, Mitt. Even someone as astoundingly stupid as O’Reilly understands that. But in your search to be the most inoffensive milquetoast RINO of all time, you can’t bring yourself to say it.

Oy vey this is not a good omen.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM

I’ve talked to thousands and even though some think he is not conservative enough,a huge majority will gladly vote for him.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM

This reminds me of how Breitbart described the overreach of those who claimed dozens of tea party members were spitting and hurling racial insults at the Capitol steps. A little too obvious.

The crushed conservative spirit that will attend a Romney nomination is incalculable. Beyond that, we have in Romney not only the standard imbecilic RINO incapacity to name and fight the Left, but the phenomenal embodiment of every exploitable feature of fashionable disgust now within the public consciousness. We’re all so excited to await Obama’s billion-dollar introduction of Romney to the American public.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Obama does govern like a “Big Government Liberal” Mitt’s not incorrect in his description of Obama.

The truth is, Obama is a proud progressives, and (A) progressive is not the same thing as a Liberal, they don’t like to be called Liberal. Progressive = New Left, and the New Left will overlap with socialist. Obama himself pointed to Teddy Roosevelt (R) the father of progressive movement. Obama they called him a socialist too. The progressive movement folded in the New Left into their movement. People have this idea that there are only progressives in one party, the Democrat party, but that’s not true they’re progressives in the Republican party. It would behoove Mitt Romney to make the delineation, that he’s not a progressive big government Republican. ( I remember John McCain stating how Teddy Roosevelt was one of his favorite Presidents) that worked out so well.

The New Left -The confused response of the Communist Party of the USA and the Communist Party of Great Britain to the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 led some Marxist intellectuals to develop a more democratic approach to politics, opposed to what they saw as the centralised and authoritarian politics of the pre-war leftist parties.

Scroll down in the article, and read about: Attacking liberalism.

These aren’t your parent’s pinkos.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Nope

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM

So explain how you get from “deer in the headlights” to voting for him in the general. Or can’t you do it in a way that wont reveal that you are imagining it?

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM

When pressed by Bill O’Reilly Mitt refused to label the Present-dent a ‘socialist’, saying he would leave ‘name-calling’ to others.

CorporatePiggy on December 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM

Hey, you never know–maybe the McCain playbook is a winner if it is employed by they guy who lost to McCain. /

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 10:24 AM

Horatio Huntsman’s record is so attractive too bad his personality is so off putting. A little humility even if he had to fake it would go a long way.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM

You are projecting. You are wish casting on a future event that has not even taken place or may not take place. For all you know Romney could have a bad debate, and choke or Obama could goad him into making a bet for 10,000 dollars LOL!

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Or can’t you do it in a way that wont reveal that you are imagining it?

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM

One of us is employing their imagination but it’s not me.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:28 AM

Romney can’t identify Obama as a Socialist.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:05 AM

This is why the ideologically recalcitrant commenters at HOT Air are always wrong with every candidate they gravitate to.

The country is not concerned with Obama’s status as a socialist. Name calling isn’t going to create jobs and pandering to a bunch of name calling babies in the GOP isn’t going to help any candidate in the general. Not in these times it wont. Our name calling candidate had his chance in 2008 to call Obama out on his radical associations. It is now clearly evident that his associations have caused him to fail. And only spoiled rotten whiny babies with diapers full of crap will insist that our nominee spend their time accusing Obama of being a socialist when it is way more effective to explain why Obama’s socialist policies have made the economy worse.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

You are projecting. You are wish casting on a future event that has not even taken place or may not take place. For all you know Romney could have a bad debate, and choke or Obama could goad him into making a bet for 10,000 dollars LOL!

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM

Any candidate can have a bad debate occasionally, but Perry ALWAYS has bad debates. His ramblings are evident in every debate.

So, explain how you get from “deer in the headlights” to voting for him in the general?

If you can’t, then just admit it.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM

Mitt’s not incorrect in his description of Obama.
Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

I agree with some of your analysis, but Romney’s description is both incorrect and woefully inadequate; it’s a disservice to language and political meaning and a lost opportunity to explain the evolution of the Left. Hubert Humphrey and George McGovern were “big government liberals.” Obama is not. Nor is Obama is a “new Leftist,” in my view (this was David Horowitz’s original cause and generation), and he doesn’t share the “more democratic approach as the alternative to centralized and authoritarian politics of pre-war leftists.” Rather, Obama is a “new Marxist,” a hybrid or mutation, incubated in the academies over the past few generations, and one who believes very much in authoritarian centralized control — with a vengeance, in fact — but has assimiliated the necessities of intermediate methods and structures in the goal of radical transformation, as well as the more sophisticated forms of communication within a democracy to change it into oligarchy and finally authoritarian statism. Gingrich is far more accurate in calling him an “Alinsky leftist” — this is more specifically true to Obama’s training and intentions. The new Marxist or Alinksy leftists are like advanced forms of the Terminator, and more about subversion and delegitimization of the existing order rather than taking a democrat approach. That is, the “approach” is entirely a cover. Maybe you meant this, I don’t know.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Our name calling candidate had his chance in 2008 to call Obama out on his radical associations.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Which candidate are you talking about? I only remember Palin doing that before Steve Schmidt and the rest of the braintrusts running the McCain campaign reigned her in.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM
I find it ironic that lefties are so disconnected from society that anybody who does not worship the jug-eared idiot in power is a “right wing nut” or “tea party member.”

Dissent does not make one a nut no matter how much your side decides to fling divisive commentary and ideas out at the public. The defeat of Obama and the socialist agenda his accolytes support will be sweet justice followed by unrelenting revenge for all that your side has done these past years.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++See! See how nice right-of-center people are to picesofsh!ts…in their discourse! I can’t do that! I’m a right-wing nut!

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Which candidate are you talking about? I only remember Palin doing that before Steve Schmidt and the rest of the braintrusts running the McCain campaign reigned her in.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

McCain refused to attack Obama on his radical associations.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM

New national PPP poll just released.

Gingrich 35
Romney 22
Paul 11
Bachmann 7
Perry 6
Santorum 4
Huntsman 3
Johnson 1

steebo77 on December 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM

The country is not concerned with Obama’s status as a socialist. Name calling isn’t going to create jobs..
csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Missing the point about as completely as one can. It is not the “name calling” — it is the identification, the edification, and ultimately the motivation the leader of our party gives us all to respond and fight. Knowledge is essential to the fight. Romney had an opportunity to identify, to taxonimize, the Left and what it means in terms of intention and consequence. This isn’t an option anymore; it is essential to our candidate. The days when the Left could be kid-gloved are long gone. Romney simply doesn’t want to engage the deeper debate and assume the risks it entails, as Gingrich does when he correctly identifies Obama as an “Alinsky leftist.” By calling Obama a “big government liberal” (isn’t that a label as well?) he scumbled the issue and demonstrated, once again, either his political illiteracy, ignorance or cowardice. He wants to run a generic RINO election and under all its illusions — chiefly, that the MSM will “respect” him if he takes an avuncular, statesmanlike figure (that is, desperately timid) approach, and ratify his legitimacy. He has no idea of the vicious, to-the-death battle that awaits.

Romney and everything the Romney mindset includes must be flushed from our party and approach to politics.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

McCain refused to attack Obama on his radical associations.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Right. Do you think it was smart for him to do that? Because that appears to be the path Team Mitt is charting as well.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 10:54 AM

I’m hoping it becomes more than a two man race.
Iowa has done strange things in the past, the polls be darned.

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM

Romney debases himself and conservatism by colluding in Letterman’s liberal ridicule of republicans. The same Romney who forfends any “name calling” of Obama. What a useless tool and weasel continuing the great tradition of useless RINO toolery and weaseliness. Will we ever learn?

http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/12/romney-mocks-newt-on-letterman-really/

It was a cheap shot before a hostile liberal television host and crowd, who all laughed. The joke was on Romney, who belittled himself as well as Newt.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 11:33 AM

Any candidate can have a bad debate occasionally, but Perry ALWAYS has bad debates. His ramblings are evident in every debate.

So, explain how you get from “deer in the headlights” to voting for him in the general?

If you can’t, then just admit it.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM

No he doesn’t, and making declarative statements in repetition to convince an audience only works on weak minded liberals. Declarative statement doesn’t = fact.

You are not objective, and you project, sometimes you seem to think you can see into the future. I doubt very seriously you are clairvoyant, and you are clearly biased.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

If Romney gets the nod, for the first time in my adult life I will be grateful to be one of the few California conservatives. It will give me the option of not voting at the top of the ticket with the absolute certainty that my “present” vote will have no affect whatsoever on the outcome of the election. Our country desperately needs a Reagan to follow a Carter, not a Carter-lite like Romney.

LarryinLA on December 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

When Mitt uses the term “Big Government Liberal” it for his audience, he’s keeping it simple he knows not everyone has taken the time to figure Obama out, and they are familiar with the term “Big Government Liberal”. That’s just in the time honored political tradition of keep the message simple.

The problem is that does’t leave him a way to clearly contrast himself with Obama. It just makes him sound reasonable to a crowd of people who are clueless to the difference between the Progressive Left, and Classic Liberals. There are a lot of clueless people in this country who vote. Some just vote brand, Democrat or Republican, they don’t care what the person’s political ideology might happen to be.

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Romney has been running for president for almost 8 years, it a disgrace he is not ahead

Actually he’s doing just fine. If he wasn’t your panties would not be in such a bundle over him lol. 69% on Intrade reflects his strength in early states, upward momentum, funding, and organization.

Nobody else has those things. Nobody.

hanzblinx on December 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

C’mon people we need NEWT GINGRICH to call out the right wing social engineering when he sees it, make peace with Nancy Pelosi, and throw those judges in jail if they don’t agree with congress. Plus he’s not Mitt Romney, which is also very important.

FALL IN LINE PEOPLE.

Ruiner on December 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

I am still hoping against odds for something with an Alaskan flavor to emerge. If we cannot run a true conservative now, with Obumbler polling in the 40s and the economy in shambles, Republican conservatism is officially dead in the United States and the Republican party will soon be a footnote in a history book next to the Bull Moose Party.

LarryinLA on December 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM

hanzblinx on December 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Yes, he’s doing fine — as the RINO playbook would have it. Dodging caricatures of Obama on O’Reilly, indulging conservative caricatures on Letterman. Ah, yes, to be back once again in that old self-loathing RINO rhythm. Ready for 2012!

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Maybe it’s finally Sanatorum’s turn. Everyone else has had a crack at the anti-Romney vote.

osborn4 on December 20, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Forget hair, color of ties, cute slogans like ‘Hope’ and ‘Change you can believe in’, how much money someone has or doesn’t have, what they have ‘stood up for’ or ‘fought for’, whether they are conservative enough (whatever that means), whether they are religious enough, whether they sound tough or not, and all of those other nonsensical, shallow qualifications.

There is just one set of qualifications for President: experience, intelligence, administrative ability, and the ability to get things done.

Who meets these qualifications: Bachmann? Santorum? Gingrich? Perry? Paul? Huntsman? GIVE ME A BREAK! These people MAY be a small step up from the inexperience twit we have now in the White House.

The ideological purity standard is worth nothing but a bucket of warm spit. Every Republican candidate, if elected President, will be closely listening to the base of the Republican Party – the conservatives.

Don’t forget we have a inexperienced, incompetent former community organizer in the White House right now. We don’t want to replace him with an inexperienced, incompetent former legislator who SAYS they will ‘fight for us’ and ‘stand up’ to some liberal boogeyman while the country continues down the toilet.

Romney may not be ideologically pure but is definitely the best qualified and most honest candidate we have had for president in a long time. He will be a great president. We need every Republican to be totally behind him for Republicans to win. We cannot have 4 more years of Obama. OMG = Obama Must Go

MadJayhawk on December 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM

He will be a great president. We need every Republican to be totally behind him for Republicans to win.
MadJayhawk on December 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM

In your own words: GIVE ME A BREAK!

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 1:06 PM

As candidates drop out of the primaries, I predict Gingrich will gain more of their voters than Romney will. Voters need to not be turned into the Establishment’s useful idiots and stand firm. We beat many of the establishment in the 2008 elections to win the House, and we can do it in this primary. The message the Establishment is sending to the Tea Party is to not try that again, especially in the Senate.

lea on December 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM

Every Republican candidate, if elected President, will be closely listening to the base of the Republican Party – the conservatives.

We don’t want to replace him with an inexperienced, incompetent former legislator

Presented without comment for your enjoyment.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 1:10 PM

Romney can’t even bring himself to say the word socialist when asked by O’Riley if he thought Obama was a socialist. Willard danced around the question because he apparently was not in a posistion to stick his finger in the air to see which way the wind was blowing.

Obama is a proud socialist at best and a Marxist at worst. Obama is an out of the closet socialist, open about his socialist ideology. Romney is a closet socialist, too timid and cowardly to emerge, and the Republican establishment is right there with him.

I will never vote for a socialist, and Mittens is a full blown one. Gingrich is a fence straddling socialist. Why either of these two are even still being discussed as the two top candidates by conservatives, is telling. We know the Pub. establishment will always choose the closet Socialist. Conservatives? It’s now or never for conservatives. George Bush set us back 20 years. Mitt and Gingrich will finish us off for good.

they lie on December 20, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Bwahahahaha!!

Just admit it already! You cannot make a logical leap from Perry’s “deer in the headlights” debate performances to people actually voting for him.

What is so hard about it? The guy is a bumbling, stumbling, boob who really should have dropped out a month ago and helped a candidate that has a real chance at beating Obama. Either Romney or Gingrich. It appears that his ego, just as yours does, gets in the way of accepting reality.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Because that appears to be the path Team Mitt is charting as well.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 10:54 AM

They don’t need to. Obama’s record is out there for all to see. Calling him a socialist makes no sense. That is why Romney calls him a failure. Obama is a failure and everyone can see it.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

Again, your illogical obsession with calling Obama names wont make a difference. It is superfluous nonsense. Obama has a record to attack and Romney does that better than anyone has.

People who want a name calling contest with Obama are immature cry babies that are still stuck in their elementary school play yard. Romney is the adult in the contest and he will eviscerate Obama on his record.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM

They don’t need to. Obama’s record is out there for all to see. Calling him a socialist makes no sense. That is why Romney calls him a failure. Obama is a failure and everyone can see it.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 2:28 PM

All snark aside, if Mitt is the nominee and manages to beat Obama without calling him out, I will 1) be amazed and 2) give you props for being right.

Keep in mind though that even if Mitt wins, if he doesn’t explain why Obama’s worldview is the problem, the 90% of Americans who don’t understand why Obama is such a disaster will continue to wonder and are doomed to make the same mistake in the future.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 2:43 PM

I am calling for a “James O’Keefe style” investigation into Republican Primaries Polls.

apocalypse on December 20, 2011 at 3:16 PM

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Off your meds again?

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Again, your illogical obsession with calling Obama names wont make a difference.
csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM

I explained it wasn’t about calling someone names. It’s about ideological clarity, preparing an informed and inspired campaign, and proving one is a master of the narrative. But it’s obviously easier for you to claim someone is “obsessed” than to listen. This is well-established.

It’s also a proper metaphor for the invincible obtusity of RINOs who believe they can avoid this issue. But it’s probably less about stupidity than their paralyzing fear of naming the Left and incurring the collected rage of the media in the process, something which obviously haunts their imagination and cleaves their tongues.

But, honestly, I am obsessed — with “identifying the lesion,” as Walker Percy once said. It’s the precondition to a “diagnosis,” and in turn to a correct treatment. The Left has reached too deep and malignantly into our political and cultural life not to be named and confronted. No conservative can or will win without understanding this. Or, put another way, no conservative who lacks the essential self-respect and confidence to do so can or will win.

Romney cannot and has proved he cannot. Over and over again. He proved it throughout 2008, and in a small but revealing way, double-downed last night. On two appearances, O’Reilly and Letterman, he proved he’s a witless tool willing on one hand to pull punches and opt out of any measured and incisive analysis of what the Left represents, and on the other to play along in the media’s ongoing burlesque of conservatism. It was a double disgrace — nonfeasance and failure, and active collusion and self-degradation. What a loser.

To do anything else puts far too much pressure on his fragile and fearful psyche, risks shattering his RINO illusion of “respectful dialogue”, the white flag RINOs carry with them and wave in every confrontation or pseudo confrontation with the Left and media. “See –we’re reasonable and mature and you can respect us. Not like our troglodyte cousins on the far right! Aren’t they embarrassing?” It is also revealed in Romney’s rush to employ, when threatened, the identical scaremongering tactics of the Left against his republican opponents.

Romney knows he can attack fellow republicans with abandon and not arouse the beast of the media. His grand fallacy — the unending RINO fallacy — is to think this is a virtue to be unendingly — and in the end — celebrated and rewarded by his liberal masters. Given the chance before a huge national audience, Romney couldn’t even parse out in elementary fashion the ideological strains of Obama’s massive and systemic war on America.

You say Romney is the best equipped to take on Obama? I laugh in your face, RINO. This is the Big Lie RINOs want to sell, once again. But it’s not going to sell. Not this time. We’ve been down this road. We’ve seen how RINOs “fight.” It’s one thing lobbing slickly produced ads against the walls of the Left in the primary season. It’s another to engage them under the guns. Romney can’t even take heat from Bret Baire. He will wilt, splutter and flail under the guns, like he always has.

Name or offer one — ONE — confrontation from Romney’s entire career when he’s finessed or laid bare the Left. Gingrich does this in his sleep. But this is not a struggle between Romney or Gingrich. It is between conservatism and the Left. Now is the hour of this clash. Romney is the last man to lead it.

He’s a pathetic pretender to the battle — a tender, thin-skinned rich-kid RINO consumed with his father’s ideal of the Alpha executive but sorrowfully also afflicted with his father’s ultimate lack of presence in the moment.

Romney will find a unique and hilarious way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Because he’s a loser. Let’s just hope it’s before the nomination.

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 3:53 PM

if he doesn’t explain why Obama’s worldview is the problem, the 90% of Americans who don’t understand why Obama is such a disaster will continue to wonder and are doomed to make the same mistake in the future.

Kataklysmic on December 20, 2011 at 2:43 PM

I don’t believe that will be the case. IF Romney wins and governs as he says he will, he will be explaining what socialism is at that time and Americans will get the message.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 5:35 PM

Off your meds again?

Dr Evil on December 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM

The group is STILL waiting for you to explain the logical leap from Perry’s “deer in the headlights” debate performances to people voting for him.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 5:37 PM

rrpjr on December 20, 2011 at 3:53 PM

What Gingrich does in his sleep is call for the arrest and persecution of judges who wont agree with his world view.

And Romney has laid bare Obama in every debate he has been in. He just doesn’t do it with childish name calling. He doesn’t have to because Obama’s record is the better target. And as I explained to others, Romney will educate Americans AFTER he wins about socialism etc. Or he can send Gingrich out there to call Obama bad names. I’m sure that will tickle you to no end.

csdeven on December 20, 2011 at 5:41 PM