Obama rebounding?

posted at 9:25 am on December 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

“Obama’s job-approval ratings show signs of improvement, Post-ABC poll finds.”  That’s the oh-so-hopeful headline from the Washington Post about its WaPo/ABC poll, but how reliable is it, and just what improved?

After a difficult summer and a contentious fall, President’s Obama’s job-approval ratings are showing signs of improvement — a crucial indicator of his reelection chances as he positions himself to seek a second term.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that Americans are still broadly disapproving of Obama’s handling of the economy and jobs, the top issues, but that views of his overall performance have recovered among key groups, including independents, young adults and seniors.

As in the earlier post on the Republican primary results, one has to keep the sample skew in mind.  The D/R/I of 32/25/37 in the current sample may have a D+7 and a ridiculous I+12 skew against Republicans, but in the poll series dealing with Obama, it’s not as bad as the skew in some previous surveys.  However, it is worse than the last full poll in this series, which had a D/R/I of 29/26/38.

So what happens when you add four points to the gap between Democrats and Republicans in a poll?  You go from a job approval rating of 44/53 at the beginning of November to 49/47 today.  Obviously, not all of this improvement can be attributed to the change in the sample skew, but some of it surely can.

How about with some of the other findings?

In the new poll, 50 percent say they trust Obama on this issue, compared with 35 percent who choose the GOP — a major change from last month, when the two sides were more evenly matched on the question.

On taxes, Obama has improved since early October, while public trust of the GOP has slipped. Some 46 percent now side with Obama on the issue, and 41 percent with the Republicans in Congress. Independents now side with the president on that front by a 17-point margin, 49 to 32 percent.

Very obviously, the change in the sample profile doesn’t account for those larger swings, although it does contribute to them.  However, Obama’s approval ratings on the economy and job creation have barely budged and is mostly attributable to the sample shift:

  • Economy — 41/56, was 38/61 in November
  • Job creation — 39/55, was 40/57
  • Obama vs GOP in Congress on economy — 44/40, was 42/42
  • Obama vs GOP in Congress on job creation — 44/41, was 40/40

In short, Obama has rebounded slightly in job approval, but has had no real change on the economy and job creation.  His pursuit of the payroll tax cut extension has clearly helped him gain some middle-class credibility in the last six weeks, something Republicans should keep in mind, but we’re not looking at a major rebound as long as Obama remains as underwater on the economy as this poll shows.

Update: As my friend and Salem colleague Guy Benson reminded me on Twitter, this follows an AP poll showing Obama still declining in popularity.


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Dead cat bounce…

singlemalt 18 on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Yes, the MSM numbers are better. Kind of like unemployment, eh?

golfmann on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 AM

Rebounding? I thought he was a benchwarmer?

Penfold on December 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM

PBHO’s internal polls show 100% approval.

Bishop on December 20, 2011 at 9:31 AM

Not happening, He’s done. We just have to keep from messing it up come November.

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Solid B+ A.

mchristian on December 20, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Obama is the one who pushed you off the roof, but he’s also the one down there yelling “I have a net!! I’ll save you!!”

RBMN on December 20, 2011 at 9:33 AM

Why are some talking heads clamoring for Hillary?

Kissmygrits on December 20, 2011 at 9:34 AM

A little too much of their bias hope peaking through.

Ukiah on December 20, 2011 at 9:35 AM

Why are some talking heads clamoring for Hillary?

Kissmygrits on December 20, 2011 at 9:34 AM

Talking heads gotta talk about something. Or nothing.

mchristian on December 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Maybe faced with the possibility of Newt “I’ll arrest judges” Gingrich, independents are taking a second look.

Socialist Obama or Dictator Gingrich?

We’re certainly riding down the tubes….

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

We have more US credit downgrades coming and European debt crisis. Things aren’t getting better.

Oil Can on December 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

The last person who will realize Obama will lose in 2012 is Obama.

wildcat72 on December 20, 2011 at 9:37 AM

As long as our huge “motivation gap” remains, our menacing socialist Liar-in-Chief is toast.

bob77 on December 20, 2011 at 9:39 AM

I’m surprised Obama isn’t higher. With the medias constant attack on the House Republicans as being against the middle class and only for the rich and the sickening fawning over Obama he should have 110% approval rating.
Also everyone of our Candidates is subject to daily “news?” stories of improprieties.Obama should just be coronated now and skip the formality of an election.

sandee on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

He always looks good in the polls around Christmas time. He’s out of the WH and somewhere else. He’d look even better if he just left the country.

BetseyRoss on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Total trash, agenda poll. Not even worth a post.

cdog0613 on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Sure, after being spat upon and treated with open contempt for the last three years, Republicans will only comprise 25 percent of the voters next November. Very plausible.

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Right Mover on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

but we’re not looking at a major rebound as long as Obama remains as underwater on the economy as this poll shows.

So let’s keep praying that the economy doesn’t get better. Americans might go hungry, and have to choose between their house or their health, but if it means Obama gets booted it will be worth it.

tommyhawk on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Well the people were “smart” enough to reelect FDR with just as bad job numbers and economic indicators. Don’t underestimate the ability of Americans to do follow the Peter Principle into perdition.

chemman on December 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Gingrich or Romney = 2nd Obama term. I will have to accept that. So will you. At least I live in a strong red state and plan on staying. I have that.

Marcus on December 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM

Morning Joe giddy over this poll this am

All day coverage of this poll by the lsm

More talking points after their little soiree at the WH
(via newsbusters-unable to send linky)

cmsinaz on December 20, 2011 at 9:41 AM

It’s pretty obvious that polling, like this, is encouraging the Democrats and discouraging the Republicans. Now the Democrats feel they have the upper hand, but if the polling is skewed they might not.

I wonder what Obama’s numbers would be if the world realizes he’s just playing politics with this issue and will not do what’s necessary to get the job done.

THe media wing of the Democratic Party is doing everything in its power to help them out but, just by the fact they have to under represent Republicans all the time, shows they don’t have the confidence to do the polls correctly.

Not being an expert on polling, what is the benefit of this. Do the polling outfits inform the Democrats that a poll like this might not be accurate and is only out there to change public opinion? If you’re giving people the wrong information, who does that help?

bflat879 on December 20, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Yes, the MSM numbers are better. Kind of like unemployment, eh?

golfmann on December 20, 2011 at 9:29 AM

And global warming. All the data is manipulated. They might as well stop, though. Everyone knows its fake. He is a fake.

dogsoldier on December 20, 2011 at 9:43 AM

…a crucial indicator of his reelection chances …

The real critical indicator of his reelection chances is who the GOP nominates. As alway his buddies in the MSM got his back.

Tommy_G on December 20, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Just another Josef Goebbels poll from the Soetoro Regime.

On a good note, we only have to pay for one more $4 million Christmas vacation for the JEF. You can bank on him vacationing there as soon as he loses the election in a landslide next November.

Robert Jensen on December 20, 2011 at 9:45 AM

In short, Obama has rebounded slightly in job approval

Why? Are people so stupid they can’t see that whatever the problem Obama’s socialism isn’t the solution? Do they forget that this man has driven the economy into a death spiral? That his job-killing agenda has resulted in 9% unemployment and one and two Americans living in poverty or near poverty? What American can look at Obama and be proud of this nation and its leader? I just don’t get what others see in this jug-eared idiot.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 9:45 AM

Contrast news items (that’s what polls are nowadays) like this with the out-of-touch, Wall St, elitist stories about Romney that will start coming out once he has the nomination, and Obama wins a second term.

F–king great.

SAMinVA on December 20, 2011 at 9:45 AM

It’s like saying how tasty the peanut is you found in your turd….still a turd…

hillsoftx on December 20, 2011 at 9:46 AM

sandee on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

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Not to mention the constant infighting amongst the potentail Republican voters eating their own and I’d say Barry’s a shoe-in for a second term.

Cleombrotus on December 20, 2011 at 9:46 AM

I assume the validity of party association was simply verbal?

“Who me?..yeah…I’m a lifelong republican. I just borrowed this car with the Obama sticker on it, and my staunch republican friends and I are starting to see what a great President Obama is!”

A poll is a poll. The only one that counts is on election day.

Mimzey on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

I liked the WaPo comment:

Then, he and his aides played an intimate role in negotiations, only to share public blame with Congress when things turned ugly.

IIRC, Barry was blaming everyone else.

GarandFan on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Obama or no Obama, the stupidity crisis that grips America (as well as the rest of the western world) continues unabated.

You still have hundreds of millions mental children, waiting for the sleazy likes of (insert corrupt, dumb@$$ politician here) to house them, feed them, clothe them, wipe their butts in the morning, ect.

That is not the basis for a sustainable society.

MNHawk on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

pravda

goebbels

acyl72 on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

I look forward to the day when the MSM no longer controls the news cycle.

earlgrey133 on December 20, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Obama rebounding?

According to Intrade, yes. His odds of being reelected bottomed out at 47% in early October and have been inching up ever since October 5th (coincidentally or not, the day a certain somebody announced she would not be joining the race). Now he’s back up in the 51%-52% range.

steebo77 on December 20, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Maybe faced with the possibility of Newt “I’ll arrest judges” Gingrich, independents are taking a second look.

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Every indie I know whats Romney, the Rinos want Romney, chances are real good we end up with……well you know. Hasn’t it been a foregone conclusion?

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Yes….The more the republicans keep fighting the pay roll tax cut the better it will be for him

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Be prepared. Everything will be coming up roses from now on. The media will skew every piece of data and every story to ensure that “The Won” is re-elected. We will be bombarded with sob stories from the bogus Occupy movement(see video here). Our college students will be getting it 24/7.

bloggless on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Sorry should be

Every indie I know whats wants Romney, the Rinos want Romney, chances are real good we end up with……well you know. Hasn’t it been a foregone conclusion?

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 9:48 AM

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM

A Washington Post poll … now there’s an impartial and unbiased source. I believe every word they say. Honest, I do.

“Are people so stupid they can’t see that whatever the problem Obama’s socialism isn’t the solution?” I hope not, but sometimes I’m not sure about the intelligence of the voting public.

A line from a TV show: “If you’re not a liberal before you’re 30, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative after age 30, you have no brain.”

Samantha on December 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM

A line from a TV show: “If you’re not a liberal before you’re 30, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative after age 30, you have no brain.”

Samantha on December 20, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Ain’t that the truth! I think Winston Churchill said that…

sandee on December 20, 2011 at 9:53 AM

Socialist Obama or Dictator Gingrich?

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

Problem with that view is that Gingrich is not a dictator while Obama is a Socialist.

Problem with that is, the end reality of Socialism is Communism. Communism is simply Socialism that has run out of other people money to spend. Its really the mentality of a credit card junkie. Times seem really great when you’re “spreading that money around”…but the end result is that when the credit runs out, you lose all that stuff and maybe your home.

Mimzey on December 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM

MSM: no, we don’t cheerlead for Obama. Hey “rah, rah,sis boom bah, go ‘Bama!” ain’t a cheer, it’s a… um… news reporting.

Marxism is for dummies on December 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM

I don’t quite understand what Obama’s PR team (MSM) is doing here.

These polls could lull the 18-28 year olds to sleep and they might not feel the need to vote. Obama needs this segment to win like he did before…..or at least close enough to cheat.

Ditkaca on December 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM

but we’re not looking at a major rebound as long as Obama remains as underwater on the economy as this poll shows.
Ed Morrissey

Well therein lies the rub, right?
I think Ed’s missing that for many, the payroll tax cut extension relates to their personal economy – so not unrelated issues.
Repubs have to sort out some conflicting agendas here – and stop assuming American’s can’t see angles being played.
Just what can is it they wanna kick down the road (to coin a phrase)?

verbaluce on December 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM

OT:

PolitiFact: Our 2011 Lie of the Year: “Republicans voted to end Medicare”

Flora Duh on December 20, 2011 at 9:59 AM

I’m starting to think that many people here have convinced themselves that Obama simply won’t be re-elected, no matter what the GOP does.

Polling like this is worrisome, and trying to rationalize it away as “bias” just because you don’t like what it seems unwise.

Don’t get cocky.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Someone please make it stop. I think of this when my daughter is singing Justin Beiber and when I contemplate Obama’s presidency.

ktrich on December 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM

He needs to be bounced rather than rebounded.

Drained Brain on December 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM

This is a poll of “adults,” not likely voters. As a result, it skews to the left, even more so because of the skewed sample. Maybe it can show a trend vs. previous polls of “adults,” but even that is questionable.

The One is seriously underwater, and nothing will save him but a bad GOP nominee, a last minute national emergency “rally round the flag,” or a dramatically improving economy. He’s boned, and the WaPost knows it.

DRayRaven on December 20, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Yes….The more the republicans keep fighting the pay roll tax cut the better it will be for him

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

As was my point earlier, about a stupidity crisis in America. Thanks for making my point, chumplett. It truly is the stupid, that thinks you can vary the rate of an ANNUAL tax between the different months of the year.

You certainly do display the IQ of the typical Obama voter. Congrats!

MNHawk on December 20, 2011 at 10:04 AM

Any person with a brain would know that this is not a true poll. That it is BS from the start.

555chevy on December 20, 2011 at 10:06 AM

The One is seriously underwater, and nothing will save him but a bad GOP nominee, a last minute national emergency “rally round the flag,” or a dramatically improving economy. He’s boned, and the WaPost knows it.

DRayRaven on December 20, 2011 at 10:03 AM

A bad GOP nominee is likely, the economy may tick up a bit next year, and there probably won’t be a national emergency, although that’s not really predictable.

So I don’t see him being done at all – thrown in a complicit media amplifying his campaign’s every lie and distortion, and the GOP has a real challenge next year.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:06 AM

80% of the sheeple still believe what they watch on the networks is “news” . We know every misstep every republican candidate has ever made and we still know NOTHING about our Marxist-in-Chief.

We. Are. Doomed.

DeweyWins on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Time for the GOP to remind voters of All the President’s Men.

Buy Danish on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

By the way, little one. What does the dumbest President in history have against an already shovel ready project, that costs the government nothing, proves direct jobs to tens of thousands, and indirect jobs to hundreds of thousands more.

Why can’t your boy of a President just man up and say yes or no to Keystone? Why does your coward of a President have to hold your precious idea of defunding Social Security hostage?

MNHawk on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Obama is the worst president since Buchanan, see http://www.answers.com/topic/james-buchanan Is it really possible we could have four more years?

Gladtobehere on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

Yes….The more the republicans keep fighting the pay roll tax cut the better it will be for him

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Can you explain why this tax relief shouldn’t be extended for a year?

What is so special about 2 months?

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

So let’s see … Obama has transferred billions of taxpayer dollars to unions, killed jobs, promoted radical Islam, is killing our fossil fuel industries, and blames everything on the GOP.

Yeah sure, I can see why people want him reelected. /////

Man, there sure are some gullible people out there.

darwin on December 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM

I love Jodi Miller!

“A new poll shows that 52% of Americans now think President Obama should be voted out of office.. while much of the other 48% just hope he’ll resign.” -Jodi Miller

Flora Duh on December 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM

Can you explain why this tax relief shouldn’t be extended for a year?

What is so special about 2 months?

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

It shouldn’t be extended at all. Obama is trying to shift the payroll tax burden to the 50% of the country that actually pay taxes.

darwin on December 20, 2011 at 10:13 AM

They may think he’s doing better but they still think he’s going to lose. LOL

23. Just your best guess, who do you think will win the presidential election next year – (Obama) or (the Republican candidate)?

12/18/11
Obama 46
Republican Candidate 49
No Opinion 5

Deanna on December 20, 2011 at 10:13 AM

Total trash, agenda poll. Not even worth a post.

cdog0613 on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

How dare you! It’s a POLL!! Thoughtfully analyzed and reported as FACT!!!

You will eat it, like it and comment!!!

winston on December 20, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Well Obama “rebounding” isn’t so surprising … I’m starting to lean toward an Obama WIN next year …

First of all – as I predicted – the ESTABLISHMENT GOP

First of all – as I predicted, before the 2010 elections – the ESTABLISHMENT GOP Congress has made an utter mess of things. No balls whatsoever and so Obama just keeps pushing them to the brink – where they always collapse and lose more of the grassroots each and every time. So expect this “rinse and repeat” tactic by the Obama campaign to continue. Also – you can expect that the Establishment’s typical impotent and weak responses to Obama will continue to embarrass the GOP and make Americans realize that the GOP is no solution either (as long as it’s controlled by Karl (Tokyo) Rove, Mitt Romney, David Frum, David Brooks, and Megan McCain.

Second – it surely looks like the GOP is now utterly insane and will nominate the only other man in the nation besides Obama to have a socialist healthcare system named after him – Mittens RomneyCare. Soon … the flying joke will be …

Question: What’s the difference between ObamaCare and RomneyCare?

Answer: ObamaCare hasn’t failed yet!

HondaV65 on December 20, 2011 at 10:16 AM

Europe is about to blow up…

There is a wrecking ball coming that MSM will not tell you…

World markets will be trounced and the Dow is going plunge about 30-50% next year…

Obama will have zero chance…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:20 AM

It makes perfect sense to me that the president would be coming back in the polls right now.
You have two things working together for him. First, the president hasn’t been front an center in the news a lot lately. Second, a lot of people just like Barack Obama. They may not like his policies, but they like him. And as long as Obama isn’t on TV all day pushing for policies they hate, they can get along with the man.
The problem for the president is that an election is coming, so sooner or later he’s going to have to start talking policy.

Mahna Mahna on December 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

“I’ll arrest judges” Gingrich, independents are taking a second look.

haner on December 20, 2011 at 9:36 AM

I think the tactic is a good one.
Not the bogus pseudo comment you quoted, but the tactic of pointing out the reality of loading courts with ideologues as a way of making an end run around the “consent of the governed” and forcing it into the discussion via a ‘door in the face’ suggestion.

Anyone who cannot see the reality of social engineering via liberal rulings is not paying attention imo.

Mimzey on December 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM

Speaking for myself only of coarse; I don’t trust any polling data at this point in my life. The media uses polls to sway peoples thoughts towards their goals. Those who pay of independent polls play with the4 sampling in order to achieve a result they desire. There simply is no real honest value for the voter with polls, however much danger does lurk if one takes these things as serious examples of how the public really feels.

Keemo on December 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM

In other words…people are getting dumber!
(I think that trend was started when the Department of Education was formed…hmmmmmm!)

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Europe is about to blow up…

There is a wrecking ball coming that MSM will not tell you…

World markets will be trounced and the Dow is going plunge about 30-50% next year…

Obama will have zero chance…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:20 AM

I don’t see the correlation – that would be bad for EVERYONE. Are you rooting for that to happen?

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM

A bad GOP nominee is likely, the economy may tick up a bit next year, and there probably won’t be a national emergency, although that’s not really predictable.

So I don’t see him being done at all – thrown in a complicit media amplifying his campaign’s every lie and distortion, and the GOP has a real challenge next year.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:06 AM

Our three front runners are Romney, Gingrich, and Paul – so I agree a bad GOP nominee is likely. However, any improvement in the economy will be marginal at best.

But the media lies and distorts to help Obama now, and it hasn’t done much for his poll numbers.

This should be an easy election to win if the GOP doesn’t give Obama a gift like Romney with his Wall Street background with Bain Capital, an extremist and racist like Ron Paul, or a politician with diarrhea of the mouth like Gingrich.

DRayRaven on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM

Obama is the worst president since Buchanan, see http://www.answers.com/topic/james-buchanan Is it really possible we could have four more years?

Gladtobehere on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

The media is his most powerful ally, even as they continue to hemorrhage credibility. The danger still exists.

swinia sutki on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM

This should be an easy election to win if the GOP doesn’t give Obama a gift like Romney with his Wall Street background with Bain Capital, an extremist and racist like Ron Paul, or a politician with diarrhea of the mouth like Gingrich.

DRayRaven on December 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM

OK, but since it will likely be one of those three, now what?

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:26 AM

The One is seriously underwater, and nothing will save him but a bad GOP nominee, a last minute national emergency “rally round the flag,” or a dramatically improving economy. He’s boned, and the WaPost knows it.

DRayRaven on December 20, 2011 at 10:03 AM

It’s entirely likely that he will get two of those three things. The third thing, not so much.

Right Mover on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM

hillsoftx on December 20, 2011 at 9:46 AM

The Dems and their cheerleaders in the LSM actually believe it’s possible to pick up a turd on the clean end.

jb34461 on December 20, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Good Lt.

I manage money, I have a fiduciary responsibility to make money for my clients…

If the markets want to go up, then I make money on them going up…

If they want to go down, I make money on them going down…

I am not rooting, I just state facts…

Rooting is a very good way to for me to lose money, I am objective…

Now, when the market crashes it will hurt Obama severly on his reelection bid, bc the focus will be all about Obama and his failed economy…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:34 AM

Now, when the market crashes it will hurt Obama severly on his reelection bid, bc the focus will be all about Obama and his failed economy…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:34 AM

I understand.

I’m not asking you about whether it’s good for you.

I’m asking about whether it’s good for the overall population of the US.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Second, a lot of people just like Barack Obama. They may not like his policies, but they like him.

There is nothing remotely likeable in any way about this President. Not his policies, not his personality. He is humorless, duplicitous, arrogant, completely lacking in empathy and has never shown any evidence of leadership, courage or extemporaneous speaking ability. Is he “likeable,” or are people just too cautious to say that they really do not like him?

Right Mover on December 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM

Yes….The more the republicans keep fighting the pay roll tax cut the better it will be for him

liberal4life on December 20, 2011 at 9:49 AM

Can you explain why this tax relief shouldn’t be extended for a year?

What is so special about 2 months?

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM

An “unworkable” temporary 2 month “plan” at that, which is nothing more than political manoeuvrings. The electorate is supposed to get all exercised over this? It’s a big deal in the beltway, but I think the jobless have other worries.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM

Now, when the market crashes it will hurt Obama severly on his reelection bid, bc the focus will be all about Obama and his failed economy…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:34 AM

So, if the markets don’t crash and are stable then obambi should be re-elected? The DJ is up 250 points right now and I do believe that unemployment is still at 9% or higher. The markets may do okay IN SPITE of him not because of him.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM

There is nothing remotely likeable in any way about this President.

Maybe not to you.

Polling suggest otherwise, and has consistently.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM

My Obamabot coworkers have not heard of Fast and Furious. When told what it entails, they all think Holder is toast. Obama holding onto this man so tightly will be his Watergate.
He should have had him resign at the first peep. Now it’s going to be front and center in the MSM at the very worst time for him. The MSM cannot hide a major story about the AG being impeached or forced out of office.
A special prosecutor will end it all.
The European meltdown next year will just be icing on the cake.
If I were a Dem, I would be getting Hilly some new clothes. She’s their only hope.

Capt Blasto on December 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM

I am 60% sure he is reelected next November. Too many people still like him personally, too much money and the Republican field is now underwhelming;

I also think the Repubs grab the senate, and keep the House.

The 2016 field will be awesome, but the damage to the Republic will be immense, and a very tough nut to reverse.

At best, a divided government, and 1.3-1.5+ Trillion $ deficits continue from 2012 to 2016;

Also, he will use his Czars and his non-appointee appointees , and his agencies (EPA, NLRB) and ramp up the activism.

No Reagan to save us from Improved Carter II this time.

JM

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

I am 60% sure he is reelected next November. Too many people still like him personally, too much money and the Republican field is now underwhelming;

I also think the Repubs grab the senate, and keep the House.

The 2016 field will be awesome, but the damage to the Republic will be immense, and a very tough nut to reverse.

At best, a divided government, and 1.3-1.5+ Trillion $ deficits continue from 2012 to 2016;

Also, he will use his Czars and his non-appointee appointees , and his agencies (EPA, NLRB) and ramp up the activism.

No Reagan to save us from Improved Carter II this time.

JM

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM

^This.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:43 AM

Don’t get cocky.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Polling like this can be worrisome. The intent is to make us week kneed, not exactly difficult to do. I have to say though now is the time to get cocky, we always sit back and let them take it to us, and we just take it. I’m done with that. I’m going on offense, defense is a loosing strategy, no one wins a game on defense. I promise you I’m not being over confident, just confident. On a personal level we have all got to get out there and engage folks on why this guy should be a one term POTUS. The case is fairly straight forward to make, when delivered in a respectful manner, voters can be swayed. Its a tough job, we better toughen up and get to it. We just can’t except the narrative the LSM is trying to spin, we need to keep our morale up and fight the good fight and we will prevail. I understand the point you’re making and you’re correct we can’t afford to become complacent. We had better stay fired up however. I won’t be convinced until the day after the election, 0bama won’t be going willingly, we have to remove him. This election may prove hard for even the GOP to mess up, but it ain’t in the bank. Your advice is good advice to heed, I just wanted to clarify my perception of cocky and confident.

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM

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Okay, Good Lt…

Is it good, maybe, maybe not, very complicated stuff here…

Some will take advantage of the bargains at the low end and some will do panic selling, capitalsim at work…

The unemployment rate will go up obviously that will be bad in the short run, but it could present an opportunity to transfrom the government to more of pro business and pro freedom culture, so it could be good in the long run…

We have a depression cycle every 80 years, so this stagnation in the economy is predestined based human emotions, the length of the cycle is something we could possibly control depending partly on government policies…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM

^This.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:43 AM

I’m afraid that you might be right, unless the Republicans improve their messaging about 1000%. Which I have not seen them do since about 1990.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Your advice is good advice to heed, I just wanted to clarify my perception of cocky and confident.

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Confidence is good.

Cockiness -the “there’s no way at all this clown will be re-elected LOL” – is dangerous.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM

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Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezee.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM

Off topic but just so sick. The 2012 election will not cure their spending sickness

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/6946d43b-bccf-4579-990e-15a763532b40.html

FLconservative on December 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM

@ Vegas Rick, this a dead cat bounce I am not talking 250 or 500 points…

I am talking 5000, to the downside…

Should Obama be reelected???

According to me, no, I disagree with most of what he does, I am just saying it will be very difficult for his campaign when it all blows up…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

I never thought the majority of voters would be dumb enough to put that man in the White House.
But they were.
It would be even more unbelievable if they did it again, especially after seeing what kind of president he is.
They must not see the dangerous and destructive president that I see.
What kind of damage will BO inflict on America once he is safely reelected? Fools better stop looking at his nice family and that dopey grin—he’s a nightmare.

bailey24 on December 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

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Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezee.

Thanks!!!

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM

I’m afraid that you might be right, unless the Republicans improve their messaging about 1000%. Which I have not seen them do since about 1990.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Romney/Gingrich will defeat him. Folks on this blog are not your average voters, they are much more informed than most in the masses. The folks not paying close attention somehow know that obambi should not be re-elected. Just my HO.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

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Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezee.

Thanks!!!

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM

No problem! I see it works for you! 8)

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM

This election cycle we’re going to endure propaganda the likes of which has never been seen in America. It will rival the propaganda of the Communist countries. The unemployment rate will magically improve, although no new jobs will have been created. Obamacare will save us trillions each year. Evil rich people would be voting for Republicans. Romney or Gingrich will come out of the closet, or something like that. None of this will be true, but that won’t matter. It will only have to be said.

Unfortunately, Americans have proven over and over that our collective IQ is lower than 80 when it comes to elections. While anyone with an IQ above that would normally think that Obama wouldn’t stand a chance of re-election, it will not surprise me if he wins.

They don’t call us “sheeple” for nothing folks.

cajunpatriot on December 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM

OK, but since it will likely be one of those three, now what?

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:26 AM

It’s not a lost cause if it’s one of those three (well, OK…it is a lost cause of it’s Paul) because Obama won’t have a good economy or a record of positive accomplishments to run on.

But the election will be closer than it needs to be, and Romney/Gingrich could very well lose it.

DRayRaven on December 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Defund SS more, Defund SS more, Defund SS more….that should raise his approval numbers a bunch. /

Check the RCP average, Gallup, and take into account the skewed sample and he may have had an increase of a point but it is not what the WP would like you to believe.

CW on December 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM

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