Obama rebounding?

posted at 9:25 am on December 20, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

“Obama’s job-approval ratings show signs of improvement, Post-ABC poll finds.”  That’s the oh-so-hopeful headline from the Washington Post about its WaPo/ABC poll, but how reliable is it, and just what improved?

After a difficult summer and a contentious fall, President’s Obama’s job-approval ratings are showing signs of improvement — a crucial indicator of his reelection chances as he positions himself to seek a second term.

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that Americans are still broadly disapproving of Obama’s handling of the economy and jobs, the top issues, but that views of his overall performance have recovered among key groups, including independents, young adults and seniors.

As in the earlier post on the Republican primary results, one has to keep the sample skew in mind.  The D/R/I of 32/25/37 in the current sample may have a D+7 and a ridiculous I+12 skew against Republicans, but in the poll series dealing with Obama, it’s not as bad as the skew in some previous surveys.  However, it is worse than the last full poll in this series, which had a D/R/I of 29/26/38.

So what happens when you add four points to the gap between Democrats and Republicans in a poll?  You go from a job approval rating of 44/53 at the beginning of November to 49/47 today.  Obviously, not all of this improvement can be attributed to the change in the sample skew, but some of it surely can.

How about with some of the other findings?

In the new poll, 50 percent say they trust Obama on this issue, compared with 35 percent who choose the GOP — a major change from last month, when the two sides were more evenly matched on the question.

On taxes, Obama has improved since early October, while public trust of the GOP has slipped. Some 46 percent now side with Obama on the issue, and 41 percent with the Republicans in Congress. Independents now side with the president on that front by a 17-point margin, 49 to 32 percent.

Very obviously, the change in the sample profile doesn’t account for those larger swings, although it does contribute to them.  However, Obama’s approval ratings on the economy and job creation have barely budged and is mostly attributable to the sample shift:

  • Economy — 41/56, was 38/61 in November
  • Job creation — 39/55, was 40/57
  • Obama vs GOP in Congress on economy — 44/40, was 42/42
  • Obama vs GOP in Congress on job creation — 44/41, was 40/40

In short, Obama has rebounded slightly in job approval, but has had no real change on the economy and job creation.  His pursuit of the payroll tax cut extension has clearly helped him gain some middle-class credibility in the last six weeks, something Republicans should keep in mind, but we’re not looking at a major rebound as long as Obama remains as underwater on the economy as this poll shows.

Update: As my friend and Salem colleague Guy Benson reminded me on Twitter, this follows an AP poll showing Obama still declining in popularity.


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I’m afraid that you might be right, unless the Republicans improve their messaging about 1000%. Which I have not seen them do since about 1990.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM

Romney/Gingrich will defeat him. Folks on this blog are not your average voters, they are much more informed than most in the masses. The folks not paying close attention somehow know that obambi should not be re-elected. Just my HO.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 10:51 AM

I’m glad you think so and I hope you are right. In my area the only people I hear grumbling about Obama are the ones who do pay attention. The rest don’t care, yet, and look on those who do as slightly nutty.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM

But…. but…. Ask Osama Bin Laden how good of a job Øbama is doing!

– libtard4ever

Might as well get that one out of the way now.

UltimateBob on December 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM

According to me, no, I disagree with most of what he does, I am just saying it will be very difficult for his campaign when it all blows up…

MGardner on December 20, 2011 at 10:49 AM

Got it. I just see so many other reasons to throw this guy out that the markets should not even matter. I agree though that if it all crashes obambi has no shot.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM

So let’s keep praying that the economy doesn’t get better. Americans might go hungry, and have to choose between their house or their health, but if it means Obama gets booted it will be worth it.

tommyhawk on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Is that you Mr Axelrod?

kenny on December 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Gallup tracker: 42/50

…. D+5 and RV poll

Eph on December 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 10:48 AM

We will prevail, we have to, to not do so would truly be dangerous. The founders new self governance would be hard, I sometimes wonder in their wildest dreams if they ever could have imagined such an unengaged citizenry. No pity for us if we fail. OMG 0bama must go!

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Thx LT

some extra points:

a) Oh and I forgot the LSM will help to re-elect him

b) The RNC will “go easy” on him not to be accused of you know, racismmmmmmm

c) part of the a) above, but slightly different; I am astonished at how little “informed” the average american (and canadian too btw) is.

The comment above above Fast and Furious, and all the other things, it is as-if the people here at HotAir are well informed, but the general population is asleep and completely uninformed on everything..

ClimateGate, no one ever heard of it. Fast and furious, ditto. 57 states, corpseman, thanking himself in Ireland (the reverse Teleprompter fiasco), Solyndra, nothing perks up to wake them up.
Reverend Wright, the Chicago Gang, Ayers, Rezko, i tell you they like the guy, and for me, this shows what kind of real guy he is, what he’s made of.

d) and final, Incumbents are very , very hard to unseat.

We.Are.Doomed
JMG

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM

Is that you Mr Axelrod?

kenny on December 20, 2011 at 10:59 AM

Somebody needs a valium.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Rebounding? I thought he was a benchwarmer?

Penfold on December 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM

We teach the kids that rebounding requires 3 things, 2 work ethics and 1 skill: Hard work, aggressiveness and timing.

Barry has proven he has none of the above.

Therefore, Obama can’t rebound.

But he can score, if someone else rebounds for him.

rwenger43 on December 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM

If people can’t see that any Republican is far better than obama, then this country is doomed. We will not stay a country if obama is re-elected.

vietvet68 on December 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM

We.Are.Doomed
JMG

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 11:00 AM

If people can’t see that any Republican is far better than obama, then this country is doomed. We will not stay a country if obama is re-elected.

vietvet68 on December 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=potlDrRI01A

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:05 AM

It’s pretty obvious that polling, like this, is encouraging the Democrats and discouraging the Republicans. Now the Democrats feel they have the upper hand, but if the polling is skewed they might not.

Not being an expert on polling, what is the benefit of this. Do the polling outfits inform the Democrats that a poll like this might not be accurate and is only out there to change public opinion? If you’re giving people the wrong information, who does that help?

bflat879 on December 20, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Actually, this is kind of what you WANT to see up until the election. While it may encourage the Democrats, it does more to get people who hate this sack of turd energized into working for his defeat.

And you will see a lot of this plus a lot of the “Comeback Kid” mantra as the unemployment rate drops due to the shrinking denominator (as opposed to the shrinking numerator) in the equation. The MSM will be donning their sequined knee pads and preparing for a massive POTUS tongue bathing throughout 2012.

But, people will become nauseated at the incredible stink of his negative campaigning and there will be mighty wind that blow’s him and some 20 of 23 (D) senators from office.

The War Planner on December 20, 2011 at 11:08 AM

rwenger43 on December 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM

Nice point. Did you get my reply to you on the last thread we were talking on?

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 11:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=potlDrRI01A

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:05 AM

God bless you, VegasRick. That’s precious!

(By the way, is the guy on the left the same guy who played Agent Harris in The Sopranos?)

The War Planner on December 20, 2011 at 11:10 AM

I wonder how Jimmy Carter was doing at a similar time in his term. He wasn’t really hated either but went down to a tremendous defeat.

More of the same, please!

PattyJ on December 20, 2011 at 11:13 AM

So let’s keep praying that the economy doesn’t get better. Americans might go hungry, and have to choose between their house or their health, but if it means Obama gets booted it will be worth it.

tommyhawk on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Dude, don’t you know only Democrats are allowed to hurt Americans for their own political gain? If you are a Conservative shut up. To demonstrate your good intentions as a Conservative, you are obligated to comply with all taxes; if you’re a business owner, you need to hire workers you don’t need; you need to give charitable donations you can’t afford.

Libs believe that individual Americans must sacrifice in order to protect Democratic [plantation owner] politicians from having to use their stash on something as mundane as re-election.

How can our betters ever save for retirement if they are constantly having to spend money on re-election every 2 years?

And now you go and try to sabotage the career of one of your betters by not spending some of your cash? How dare you!

rwenger43 on December 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM

If people can’t see that any Republican is far better than obama, then this country is doomed. We will not stay a country if obama is re-elected.

vietvet68 on December 20, 2011 at 11:03 AM

Unfortunately, the left (aided by the MSM) have been very successful in convincing a large number of Americans that the current economic conditions are all Bush’s (and the GOP’s) fault.

Just as unfortunate was the GOP’s response, including that of “our candidate” in 2008, John McCain. They did nothing to dispel that perception.

UltimateBob on December 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM

I am beginning to think Gauthijm is Axelrod.

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Any poll that begins with ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, Reuters or any other MSM outlet should be suspect from the start. The only lefty poll that I’ve ever seen with fair polling samples is Nate Silver’s. Polls especially when they come from the left should always be suspect. A poll can be made to say whatever it wants by simply phrasing a question in a particular way or in the case of most skewing the samples to favor Dems. My feeling is that the Dems are desperate and are now manufacturing poll results to try to discourage the Republican’s. As Rush often says, their internal polling numbers must be horrifically bad.

neyney on December 20, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Nice point. Did you get my reply to you on the last thread we were talking on?

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Re the treatment of our military? Yes, good thoughts all.

Thanks.

rwenger43 on December 20, 2011 at 11:17 AM

What a surprise – ABC and the Worthless Post giving their guy an edge. But wait for the real campaign to get started. They both lie to their subscribers as in the Battered Wife Syndrome.

democratsarefools on December 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM

All polls are propaganda. Pew and Gallup had Carter making a comeback as the election drew closer. They both claimed Reagan would lose to Carter by an aveage of 25 points as late as April of 1980
When the election draws very close , pollsters have to limit their lies because the actual elections results expose them.
Still Gallup had Reagan losing by 5 to 8 poins in thier last poll “results”

As the election draws closer the pollsters will claim Obama is growing in support .

All polls are propaganda , You can not measure the varied opinions of 200 million people with a poll…. The only thing pollsters do is attempt to tell people what they should believe .
All polls have raw results that they alter with Demographics which are a shot in the dark.
Just go check out the REagan 1980 election cycle to see the proof

LeeSeneca on December 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Are you better off now than you were a month ago?

/didn’t think so

roy_batty on December 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM

What a coincidence!!

This poll comes out right in the middle of the payroll “tax cut” ** battle. This is nothing more than propaganda to instill fear into Republicans that they’re voting against the uper duper popular BHO.

** It is not a tax cut. It is an increase of welfare payments disguised as a tax cut. But for some reason nobody, not even on the right, will call it what it really is.

angryed on December 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM

but we’re not looking at a major rebound as long as Obama remains as underwater on the economy as this poll shows.

So let’s keep praying that the economy doesn’t get better. Americans might go hungry, and have to choose between their house or their health, but if it means Obama gets booted it will be worth it.

tommyhawk on December 20, 2011 at 9:40 AM

The quote you highlighted is just a reality. Those on the right said that Obama’s programs were to expensive and would not payoff. That is not hoping for anything . That is just telling it like it is. I have family members, including kids, that need this thing to turn around and as long as we have Obama it is going to be a much much harder trek to get back to a vibrant economy. You need to go read the truth about FDR and how he actually prolonged the Great Depression and he used people like you over and over to get re-elected. Ever wonder if Obama would not rather see pain in the streets so he can continue to be the savior of America? There is more evidence suggesting that theory than yours.

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM

I am beginning to think Gauthijm is Axelrod.

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Now that’s insulting :)

I think he’s the biggest disaster in american history, and I’M axelrod ? I am only elucidating the facts, as I see them

Are YOU excited by the Repub field yet ? I still think Perry is the best, but he’s imploded and it’s over (unfortunately)

Wishing does not make it so…

JMG

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Somebody needs a valium.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM
In case you missed it, Axelrod was on Fox saying that a further economic decline is what Republicans want for their election chances. Pay attention

kenny on December 20, 2011 at 11:24 AM

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:20 AM

As usual, right on, right on, right on………
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
CW, Do you have your $134,299.00, I know I don’t.

Bmore on December 20, 2011 at 11:25 AM

The passage if a republican was president:

After a very difficult summer and a contentious fall, President’s Generic Republican’s job-approval ratings are showing NO signs of improvement — a crucial indicator to the election chances to the democratic contenders positioning themselves to seek an end to a second term.

Subtle changes indicate no bias at all in the MSM.

jukin3 on December 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Just had to post this for my conservative friends. It’s priceless!
http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Obama-Knows-Economy-Inside/dp/0980074231

As one reviewer stated, every point was fact checked and found to be completely accurate.

jqc1970 on December 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM

wonder how Jimmy Carter was doing at a similar time in his term. He wasn’t really hated either but went down to a tremendous defeat.

More of the same, please!

PattyJ on December 20, 2011 at 11:13 AM

Carter actually had a 53% job approval rating at this point in his term, much better than Obama. He did not start really tanking until after the first of the year in 1980 when inflation took off, the Iranian hostage crisis worsened, and the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.

rockmom on December 20, 2011 at 11:30 AM

As one reviewer stated, every point was fact checked and found to be completely accurate.

jqc1970 on December 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM

Shortest books in history.

Eric Holder on ethics.
Joe Biden’s mensa meeting notes.
I could go on.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM

Once the GOP candidate is chosen, all of us will rally in support. Each of them has some qualities that don’t meet all of our wish list items but consider the alternative. We’ll spend the next few months beating each other up while the dems and media sit back and watch the show and gather talking points.

Obama is harmless by himself but it’s his minions that are part of his package deal. Geitner, Holder, Clinton, the teleprompter operator etc. are the ones that will continue to do damage. If Obama stays then so do the rest of them.

I have a GOP favorite but I’ll donate the max to anyone that runs on the national ticket against this 4-year disaster.

JetBlast on December 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM

I have a GOP favorite but I’ll donate the max to anyone that runs on the national ticket against this 4-year disaster.

JetBlast on December 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Ditto that. I have not sent any $ to a candidate since Allen West in FL. Waiting for our person.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Here’s what Rasmussen Reports has to say on the issue of political party affiliation in its polls:

Like all polling firms, Rasmussen Reports weights its data to reflect the population at large (see methodology). Among other targets, Rasmussen Reports weights data by political party affiliation using a dynamic weighting process. While partisan affiliation is generally quite stable over time, there are a fair number of people who waver between allegiance to a particular party or independent status. Our baseline targets are established based upon separate survey interviews with a sample of adults nationwide completed during the preceding three months (a total of 45,000 interviews) and targets are updated monthly. Currently, the baseline targets for the adult population are 33.9% Republicans, 33.3% Democrats, and 32.8% unaffiliated. Likely voter samples typically show a slightly larger advantage for the Republicans.

That’s pretty darn close to 1/3 Republicans, 1/3 Democrats, 1/3 Independents. But if you are going to give a sampling advantage to any of those three, especially in terms of likely voters, a slight advantage should go to Republicans, not Democrats or Independents.

The WaPo/ABC poll makes Republicans the smallest sampling group, when Republicans should be the largest group.

ITguy on December 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM

In case you missed it, Axelrod was on Fox saying that a further economic decline is what Republicans want for their election chances. Pay attention

kenny on December 20, 2011 at 11:24 AM

I was talking about tommyhawk but oh well.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Wishing does not make it so…

JMG

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Axelrod would enjoy your work . Your words serve to depress rather than to motivate the right. In time a leader will emerge from the pack and we will go on to beat Obama. Though I have plenty of issues with Romney I know he can win. Yes that is far from a ringing endorsement of his positions but I feel very positive about his chances.

You should be working to energize the right. I don’t think your loser attitude helps.

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM

The WaPo/ABC poll makes Republicans the smallest sampling group, when Republicans should be the largest group.

ITguy on December 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Hey don’t mess with the meme.

/

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Hey don’t mess with the meme.

/

CW on December 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Hey – these guys know what they are doing! They got the result they wanted!
/

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Hypothetical Obama VS GOP polls are worthless. Remember the exit polls in 2004 when Kerry was a shoe-in?

Let Obama think he’s unbeatable and we’ll roll in our Trojan horse through the front gates of Grant Park in Chicago. I want Obama’s loss to hurt!

JetBlast on December 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

I’m no expert on polling, but here on the ground in a conservative county in Ohio, I hear no one but the most die hard leftists at the local universities praising Obama. I hear only that he’s a jackass and must go, even from working class democrats. True enough, the economy here is so ravaged that the general mood is anger at the politicians.. we all refer to the depression, not the recession.

Obama unless the economy comes roaring to life very very soon, is going to lose Ohio. Only the inner city urban areas always vote democrat, so if turn out is high, the democrat is doomed to fail.

I’m in agreement most folks don’t pay attention, which is where the MSM gets away with it’s propagandising for the democrats. Some to most households only listen to one news source, ABC is popular among the uninformed.. My fear is the nearer the election, if they continue smothering the Obama scandals like Fast and Furious, the average voter will never know about them.. ABC isn’t going to say squt to damage Obama unless it’s so widespread they can’t hide it anymore.

Then of course they’ll bring in every shill every hack they can find to explain it all away in Obama’s favor, somehow forgetting to bring on opposing views like they usually do. I know a woman who watches nothing but the local CBS news, and she was totally unaware that Holder was involved in drug cartels getting guns.. then, she tried to say, no… it was too crazy.. no president would allow that… (unless he was named Bush), and she kept spouting the DNC talking points as CBS trained her to do.

Tried getting her to promise to at least watch a half hour of FOX for some balance.. and her reaction was hostile, because they aren’t a real news show, Obama said so.. her view may be in the minority now, too many folks are hurting, too many are just surviving..

I’m retired, disabled, my wife works full time, and we had to take in her two sisters, and their 5 kids.. nowhere else to go but a homeless shelter. We do ok, only by the grace of God, but we struggled hard for a few years. But my point is, times are this hard here…

mark81150 on December 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM

These polls are not honest and Obama’s support is not as high as they claim however an examination of Republican candidates Paul, Perry and Bachmann (all of whom would have allowed the banking system to fail to be followed by a second great depression) and the teeth clenching Rick Santorum, and overly earnest Huntsman, none of whom would stand a chance of defeating Obama, leaves one wondering if and when Republican voters are going to think strategically. Or whether they will continue to engage in the very liberal custom of indulging themselves.

Basilsbest on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

I was talking about tommyhawk but oh well.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:49 AM

My apologies

kenny on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

I’m in agreement most folks don’t pay attention, which is where the MSM gets away with it’s propagandising for the democrats. Some to most households only listen to one news source, ABC is popular among the uninformed.. My fear is the nearer the election, if they continue smothering the Obama scandals like Fast and Furious, the average voter will never know about them.. ABC isn’t going to say squt to damage Obama unless it’s so widespread they can’t hide it anymore.

I have faith that this time around, people will pay more attention.

The average voter doesn’t pat any attention until the nominees are set.

If we re-elect 0bama, we get the government we deserve. And is this frivolous American year of 2011, our culture, at large, has not yet shown it deserves better than 0bama. Sad, but true.

cane_loader on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Here in Louisiana, 0bama’s arbitrary and capricious offshore-drilling moratorium killed any chance he had – not that he had a chance anyway, in deep-red Louisiana. Hence the moratorium, from this vindictive “president.”

cane_loader on December 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

My apologies

kenny on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM

No problem.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM

I’m in the support whoever wins the nomination school of thought, I do not feel a trace of warmth for Romney, but,…

Obama is killing us…

So I’d vote for Romney, even if he’s a rino, but you’d better believe the conservative base is going to be watching him like a hawk. He even thinks about going all liberal lite, our support walks. Compromise may be a necessary evil, but we’ won’t be a door mat for the party establishment. Compromise also, doesn’t mean giving up our position just so they can give away nothing. How it’s usually defined in Washington, and we’re sick of getting empty promises in exchange for concession, only so they can weasal out later.

mark81150 on December 20, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Sorry I just think crazy weird paranoia and hyperbole is counter productive.

if you’re a business owner, you need to hire workers you don’t need; you need to give charitable donations you can’t afford.

As a small business owner I am completely unaware of federally mandated compulsory hiring and charitable donation requirements.

Also weird half-truths prevent solutions

Those on the right said that Obama’s programs were to expensive and would not payoff.

That bailout was a pure sweetheart deal for those who had already bilked the country. But that was cooked up in the Bush White House. Obama merely blindly, sadly, uncreatively and sophmorically followed through with it under the guidance of Summers and Geitner. The entire housing crisis happened under W. So your left right probs sound like they might be interfering with your judgment. Sounds like you might need to take another look at Paul because if you think that crap was bad under BushObama wait til President Romney rolls in and starts closing down everything and out sourcing leaving the high school onlys with two choices wallmart or craker barrel.

tommyhawk on December 20, 2011 at 12:19 PM

we all refer to the depression, not the recession… times are this hard here…

mark81150 on December 20, 2011 at 11:56 AM

I feel for you. There are many in this country who were doing OK five years ago, but are now living in near-depression conditions.

Let’s talk about the make-up of Washington, D.C. since the great depression and FDR’s inauguration…

From 1933 to present, there have been only 4 years that Republicans controlled all three of the levers involved in budget-making and law-making (the House, the Senate, and the Presidency). By comparison, Democrats held exclusive control of all three for 34 years!

The 4 years of exclusive Republican control were January 2003 – December 2006.

Nancy Pelosi loves to spew, on and on, about the “failed policies” of Republicans. But, at the end of exclusive Republican control just five years ago, unemployment was at 4.4%, and the national debt was under $8.7 Trillion.

Then Pelosi and Reid took over in January 2007, adding Obama 2 years later in January 2009, and what happened?

Both unemployment and debt skyrocketed.

So who exactly has the “failed policies”?

The Demonrats!

ITguy on December 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Obama probably will get a slight bounce from the payroll tax issue, but also the end of the Iraq war. I don’t think the bounce will last long, but this is why no war can last for more than 4 to 5 years before it becomes politically problematic. The Iraq war has hung around the neck of the GOP like an albatross around the neck.

This is why when you fight wars, you fight them hard. It is better to cruel and fast than nice and slow. In the end the body count will be the same, but at least the cost will be less and you will save time.

William Eaton on December 20, 2011 at 12:28 PM

That bailout was a pure sweetheart deal for those who had already bilked the country. But that was cooked up in the Bush White House. Obama merely blindly, sadly, uncreatively and sophmorically followed through with it under the guidance of Summers and Geitner.

So Bush f*cked up, Obama f*cked it up more, and here we are.

Plus, TARP was $86 billion and has been paid back. It was cooked up with Bush at the helm and a Democrat Congress.

The America Recovery and Reinvestment Act (The Stimulus), which has shot the year-over-year spending of our already-spending-too-much government into the stratosphere and has set record debt levels for our country far beyond what Bush or any of his predecessors had done, was entirely a product of the Obama White House and a full Democrat Congress.

Stupid, or stupider. Take your pick.

Good Lt on December 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM

I usually dismiss any poll referencing WaPo.They’re trying to make Obama smell more fragrant by pissing on everyone else’s pant leg.

It ain’t working…

Cubz_Fan on December 20, 2011 at 12:41 PM

CW,

I stand corrected

I will try to be more optimistic, and trust that HotAir’rers will be able to convince enought people to WAKE up!

;)

TC
JMG

Gauthijm on December 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Good Lt…

Lucky for us, we’re running our nominee against ‘stupider’

JetBlast on December 20, 2011 at 12:47 PM

“Sorry I just think crazy weird paranoia and hyperbole is counter productive.

if you’re a business owner, you need to hire workers you don’t need; you need to give charitable donations you can’t afford.”

As a small business owner I am completely unaware of federally mandated compulsory hiring and charitable donation requirements.
tommyhawk on December 20, 2011 at 12:19 PM

I’m glad you are bright enough to recognize hyperbole, but unfortunately you left out the previous clause:

To demonstrate your good intentions as a Conservative, you are obligated to

In contrast, nobody is concerned with liberals’ intentions, because they all pay lip service to “the greater good” while profiteering from the public trough whenever possible. It is understood that lip service proves one’s good intentions.

Because conservatives don’t pay lip service to communalism, our intentions are always challenged–even while we are fully compliant with all the harmful rules and regulations our betters have imposed on us.

Perhaps public opinion has no effect on your business, but in my state, when a business owner publicly posted the same thing that many business owners say privately–”No hiring until Obama is gone”–he was challenged to prove his patriotism by hiring in spite of his previously stated economic inability to do so.

How can it be hyperbole if it’s rooted in real events?

rwenger43 on December 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Lucky for us, we’re running our nominee against ‘stupider’

Yes, but we’re not running against just their “stupider” nominee, we’re also running against the MSM, who will do everything in their power to make our nominee look bad and their “stupider” nominee look good.

ITguy on December 20, 2011 at 1:35 PM

I’m not the first to say it,

but…

I miss Mr. Ronald Reagan alot these days. Even if he wasn’t perfect, none of us are, I never doubted he was a leader.

I miss having one.

mark81150 on December 20, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Yes, Ronald Reagan was a leader.

Even though the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives for the entire 8 years of Reagan’s Presidency, and the Democrats controlled the Senate for the last 2 years of Reagan’s Presidency, Ronald Reagan still managed to lead this country and do a lot of good for our country and our people.

Obama needs to quit whining about the Republicans controlling the House of Representatives. From 1933 to Jan 1995, the Democrats controlled the House of Representatives for ALL BUT TWO YEARS!

Obama needs to suck it up and work with the Republican House, just like every Republican President since FDR (from Eisenhower to George W. Bush) has had to suck it up and work with a Democrat-controlled House for some, if not all, of their Presidency.

Parting thought…
The Democrats created problems in 2007-2008, and then blamed Bush for those problems, and they were rewarded with huge electoral gains in 2008, leading to nearly unchecked power for them in 2009-2010, when they controlled the Presidency, House, and the Senate (and a filibuster-proof 60 seats for some of that time). Harry Reid used the budget reconcilliation process in 2010 to pass Obamacare, but not to pass a budget!

ITguy on December 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I miss Mr. Ronald Reagan alot these days.

30 years ago…

Ronald Reagan’s 1981 Christmas Message

ITguy on December 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM

the polls don’t mean anything no matter if 0 is at 50 or 40 at this point.
anyone who does, red or blue ,needs to spend more time at the track.
if i cashed everytime my horse was ahead at this point i’d be a lot
closer to the 1%. and save your breath hurling insults at obama
because it doesn’t mean sh*t. events on the ground are all that
matter and if they go his way he will be extremely hard to beat.
having said that i hope and pray we can defeat him. if the economy
stays flat and romney is the nominee we will lose. Mitt will need
the economy to tumble to support his narrative which is actually a
bad fit for 0. mitt going to give 0 a pass on health care and he
will get pummeled by 0 an illegals . mitt has no natural base ,he
will not win his home state( imho a must!!)has no real political
fast ball and will put into play (maybe not lose but defend)states
that are usually red TX GA AZ. i can’t stand mitt (i live in the
berkshires so i lived under his rule) but i’ll still vote for him
i was born and raised in east TX and grew up with alot guys like
perry . you wouldn’t let them write an ad to sell your truck but
but you would leave your first born with them( and if you knew them
really well maybe even your dog) perry is the josh groban of
politics . wrong time unfortunately

rik on December 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Actually, between the sample skew and the margin of error, ALL the difference in results could just be statistical noise.

But in general the spectacle of Republicans beating each other up in the primary campaign only helps one guy – one who is incapable by his nature of improving his own numbers.

Adjoran on December 20, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Of course he’s rebounding, and he should thank our completely useless GOP for all the work they have been doing to ensure his re-election.

The GOP will make sure there is not nor will there ever be a conservative candidate for president. Game over.

Snackrabbit on December 20, 2011 at 3:14 PM

Rush was talking about this today and he is correct as the election heats up we are going to see more and more polls like this (just as biased toward the democrats) all in efforts to discourage conservatives. What these polls should do is fire up us conservatives up even more than we already are, the liberal media does not like conservatives and they are going to do all they can to prop up Obama and the democrats, we should all know this by now, it should not be a surprise. To defeat Obama even with his epic fail Jimmy Carter like record is going to be a huge undertaking yes, but can be done, Reagan was able to get elected twice and he did not have tools we got today.

Beastdogs on December 20, 2011 at 3:26 PM

I am surprised no one is noting that in this same poll — in which we’re being told President Zero has “rebounded” — among registered voters he’s tied up 47-47 with Romney if the election were held today. If he is tied up with Romney with these kind of skewed party ID samples, President Zero is in deep, deep trouble. Put those party ID numbers where they should be and Romney would be over 50% versus Obama. A majority of voters — not “people,” but voters — cannot wait to vote Obama out of office. That’s why we’re getting these kind of BS polls. Whenever Barry gets in trouble in the polls, he goes underground like he has recently. He always “rebounds” when he’s invisible. He won’t be able to stay invisible throughout the campaign.

Rational Thought on December 20, 2011 at 3:43 PM

Shortest books in history.

Eric Holder on ethics.
Joe Biden’s mensa meeting notes.
I could go on.

VegasRick on December 20, 2011 at 11:31 AM

I was going to suggest Joe Biden’s military record, but he’s a 5-time Draft Dodger.

Del Dolemonte on December 20, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Good Night Nurse, over 1800 Comments at the WaPo link.

Obama isn’t a liberal. He’s a moderate. His health care reform could have been written by a Republican. His position on raising taxes on the wealthy could have been held by Ronald Reagan. The only people who think Obama is a liberal are the right wing crackpots in the GOP, and they wouldn’t vote for him anyway.

Perhaps the public is waking up to the fact that the GOP bears much of the blame for our miserable economy, first for creating it during the Bush II years, Second for enacting their very own “wealth redistribution plan” with 20 years of “tax cuts for the job creators” which have moved 32% more of America’s wealth and assets over to the top 2% over the last 40 years, up from 8% in 1969, as well as doing everything in their power to block and obstruct any serious attempts to rebuild our economy, since 2010, all in their pathetic belief that if they keep the voters suffering through the 2012 elections, they will make Obama a” one term President”,which is the GOP’s announced “top priority”!

Obama inherited the biggest economic and foreign policy messes in many decades, and has worked dilegently to solve the problems. The Republicans have done all they can to make him fail. Despite their efforts the economy has improved, the banking system was saved, we are now out of Iraq and the situation in Afghanistan has improved. I do believe that enough voters will figure out that putting the people who created the problem back in charge is the wrong solution and Obama will be reelected. The media has pounded Obama for several years by measuring him against a perfect outcome that no human could possibly achieve without having the total authority of a dictator. At the same time the Republican obstructionists have been been given a free pass and not been held accountable for their lack of cooperation to solve our problems. Measured against any of the Republican candidates, Obama looks pretty good.

(Recommended by 51 WaPo “readers”)

Obama has created more jobs than Bush did in eight years.

FDR was re-elected with 17% unemployment. President Obama has created more jobs in three years than Bush did in 8. Bush NEVER had job growth, ever!

In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. That would be Obama.

The GOP has revealed that its leaders are all delusional morons. The remaining sane voters are getting desperate for a savior. The one-eyed man is clearly the only game in town.

(Recommended by 55)

So many conservative heads are exploding it looks like the 4th of July.

(62 recommendations!)

And that’s only a small sample of the “Top Comments”.

Del Dolemonte on December 20, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Del Dolemonte on December 20, 2011 at 4:12 PM

Buddy, the libs are terrified. They have been dying for “good news” about Obama for months and months. Remember after Osama got killed? They were all “Cancel the election! It’s gonna be a landslide!” Well that bounce went away, and this one will, too. Their comments over at WAPO just reek of pure desperation. Enjoy it. You’re going to be seeing a lot more.

Rational Thought on December 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM

A poll is a poll. The only one that counts is on election day.

Mimzey on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

Absolutely correct. Polls are constantly used as a political weapon.
A few days before the election the big national polling services start to become quite accurate. Until then, take what you read with a huge grain of salt. Also, I have been reading HA for over a year and it seems the number of troll/dem agents is increasing. Perhaps this is just my paranoia.

trickychicken on December 20, 2011 at 4:30 PM

Obama or no Obama, the stupidity crisis that grips America (as well as the rest of the western world) continues unabated.

You still have hundreds of millions mental children, waiting for the sleazy likes of (insert corrupt, dumb@$$ politician here) to house them, feed them, clothe them, wipe their butts in the morning, ect.

That is not the basis for a sustainable society.

MNHawk on December 20, 2011 at 9:47 AM

You really like to hit the old nail on the head, don’t you!

trickychicken on December 20, 2011 at 4:35 PM

The MSM continues to come up with these polls. Only a fool would believe that the pollster wants your opinion, what they are trying to do is shape your opinion to fit theirs. If they continue along this line they will be in for a shock after the 2012 election. Obama and the Democratic Party are toast.

savage24 on December 20, 2011 at 4:36 PM

And that’s only a small sample of the “Top Comments”.

Del Dolemonte on December 20, 2011 at 4:12 PM

to me they (all the above comments) sound like desperate attempts at rationalizing his failure somehow, I believe that kind of talk just help them keep alive their delusion that he’d get re-elected. They do not sound like comments coming from ‘normal’ people who have lived through the past 3,4 years grim economic realities of this country….nobody (relatively sane) can be this detached from reality, unless, as I said, it is a systematic attempt at rationaliztion on their part….that has the same effect on them as drugs would, or any other form of escapism…but this doesn’t mean it has anything to do with reality…

jimver on December 20, 2011 at 4:39 PM

Is he “likeable,” or are people just too cautious to say that they really do not like him?

Right Mover on December 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM

I think a lot of people, especially white people, are nervous about being labeled a raaacccist. If you are not a racist then by all means find the courage to speak your mind. If you do judge people by the color of their skin, then I hope you will learn to see the world with better eyes.

trickychicken on December 20, 2011 at 4:58 PM

This is almost certainly mostly due to the horrible sample, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they worded the questions poorly as well.

But, some of its real. Between the ugly primary and the current congressional battle going on, it should be no wonder that Obama is getting a momentary boost. It won’t last, but we shouldn’t expect Obama to be a complete pushover either. His campaign team will use every dirty trick in the book, and the old media will cheerlead for him the entire way.

This is why it’s important that we have a competent nominee. It doesn’t matter much if we have a conservative house if the presidency and senate stay in liberal hands.

Unfortunately, the bulk of the candidates truly do appear to be poor campaigners. *sigh*

WolvenOne on December 20, 2011 at 5:50 PM

If these polls are even close to being right this country as we have known it is over.After all that Obama and the dems have done over last 3 years to turn this country into pure socialism.Then to have close to 50% of the people agree with him should scare the hell out of us.I challenge anybody to go out to a walmart and ask the first person you see about whats happing to this country.They will look at you with a blank stare and say.I don,t know or care now don,t bother me i have to pay for my beer and get home to watch monday night football,American idol or any other of the mindless dribble on T.V..I don,t like sounding pessimistic but just look how the dems have turn this FICA tax reduction into a positive for them and Obama.When in fact it,s making social security go bankrupt that much faster.Remember when President Bush proposed to let people put a small amount if their FICA taxes less than 3% into a private saving account? The Dems cried and howled and said was trying to kill SS for our elderly.Lets just face facts.a lot of the american people or just plain stupid and worse of all they vote.

logman1 on December 20, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Thank God I’m older now and time goes by so much faster. I’ll have an easier time forgetting the Obama administration when he’s gone. I was a teen during the Carter years and it seemed to go on FOREVER!

Buck Turgidson on December 20, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Just wait until you see how the MSM propagandizes the state of the economy leading up to the election.
They will try to paint it as the best economy in history. And many people will fall for it.

And Obama is relying on the unemployment rate dipping under 8%- no matter how transiently or by what means of deception. The MSM will be orgastic if that happens.

Shoot, I wouldn’t be surprised if he hires 10 million people to work as baggage carriers for Big Mooch, just to cause a dip in unemployment.
Or if he declares being unemployed a job.

justltl on December 20, 2011 at 10:02 PM

Thought you might like this quote, from 2,000 years ago:

Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so
enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss
of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions.
… Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the
“new,wonderful good society” which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to
mean “more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the
expense of the industrious.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)

Jpalm on December 21, 2011 at 4:30 PM

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