Showdown: House GOP set to defeat Senate payroll-tax bill after Reid says he won’t negotiate further; Update: Boehner cancels House vote

posted at 10:00 pm on December 19, 2011 by Allahpundit

No vote tonight, as it turns out. Supposedly the GOP caucus didn’t want to shoot down the Senate bill “in the dark of night,” but it may be that Boehner’s worried he might not have the votes yet to defeat Reid’s bill if he brought it to the floor. He claims that he does but Democrats think otherwise. Or maybe the strategy is to simply buy a little more time for negotiations with Reid? Not sure that’ll work: As of a few hours ago, Reid was saying that he’d said all he had to say:

Previously, Boehner had asked Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to devise a deal on the bill, and Reid suggested that the bill’s failure in the House was a product of Boehner’s failed leadership.

“Senator McConnell and I negotiated a compromise at Speaker Boehner’s request. I will not re-open negotiations until the House follows through and passes this agreement that was negotiated by Republican leaders, and supported by 90 percent of the Senate,” Reid said. “This is a question of whether the House of Representatives will be able to fulfill the basic legislative function of passing an overwhelmingly bipartisan agreement, in order to protect the economic security of millions of middle-class Americans. Democratic and Republican leaders negotiated a compromise and Speaker Boehner should not walk away from it, putting middle-class families at risk of a thousand-dollar tax hike just because a few angry Tea Partiers raised their voices to the Speaker.”

Reid says he’s happy to negotiate on a one-year payroll-tax holiday — but only after the two-month temporary extension, which by the way is unworkable, passes the House. Pelosi’s balking too, vowing not to appoint any Democrats to any House/Senate conference committee that would attempt to merge the two chambers’ bills. Presumably they think Boehner doesn’t have the votes and by walking away now they can pressure him to pass the Senate bill over conservatives’ objections. Question: How exactly did it come to be that McConnell got most of the GOP caucus in the Senate to sign onto a bill that Boehner later felt free to renege on? Did McConnell negotiate the two-month extension on his own, before clearing it with Boehner, or did Boehner sign off on it and then get cold feet when House Republicans started pounding the table? This is a strange predicament, with Reid waving around a bill that got 89 votes in the upper chamber.

Update: Change of plans: The House vote hasn’t been postponed until tomorrow, it’s been canceled entirely.

House Republicans will prevent a vote on a Senate plan favored by Democrats and Senate Republicans to extend the payroll tax cut for two months, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said Monday night.

GOP aides told CNN that the vote expected to take place Tuesday morning would likely be scrapped to avoid having House Republicans oppose a tax break for working Americans.

So, new theory then: Boehner does have the votes and … is afraid to use them because he thinks Democrats will surely win the messaging war if the Senate bill is defeated and a stalemate results. Somehow they need to vote the Senate bill down without, er, actually voting it down. How to do that? Roll Call:

[L]eadership indicated to Members they would look to provide them with a way to cast a yes vote Tuesday and not force them to vote against the bipartisan deal. Although at press time it was unclear what that meant, leaders were reportedly discussing using an unorthodox procedure in which they forgo the normal vote of disapproval of the Senate deal and simply consider a vote to appoint conferees as counting as disapproval, aides said.

Additionally, Republicans were expected to vote on a majority resolution that will be offered after the procedural votes are completed.

That resolution, worded in harshly partisan language, is nothing more than a reiteration of the bill the House passed last week that the Senate changed.

In other words, instead of killing the Senate bill, they’ll simply reiterate their approval of the yearlong payroll-tax holiday they’ve already passed so that they technically can’t be accused of blocking a tax cut. Okay. Now what?

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Washington has gotten us indebted til the next big bang. And we expect them to fix it? Perhaps that’s the only way out — Armagheddon!

racquetballer on December 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM

If we win back the Senate, we need someone with some balls as speaker, NOT McConnell!

Darksean on December 20, 2011 at 8:26 AM

Amen to that! I realize the Senate is more deliberative than the House by design but we need a pitbull in there not the current “go along to get along” crowd of appeasers who never challenge the Dems when they make outrageous demands as if they rule the world.

BTW, If the Senate is GOP-controlled watch just how quick the radical left will dump Harry Reid and find a good commie to take his place.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 8:37 AM

Somehow they need to vote the Senate bill down without, er, actually voting it down. How to do that?

Don’t bring it to the floor.

BobMbx on December 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM

It’s not a $1,000 tax cut. Extending the reduction in FICA withholding for 2 months equates to $167.

BBReggie on December 20, 2011 at 9:07 AM

First, I’ll bet there is NO communication breakdown between the Senate and the House. The House has rolled every time, since Boehner has been in charge, so why wouldn’t they do it again? It’s time for the House to take charge. VOte down the Senate bill, request a conference committee and, if the Democrats play hardball, adjourn and go home until the Democrats want to do the right thing. The media wing of the Democratic Party, and the Democrats themselves, will be spinning and spinning over the holidays, but their constituents won’t be buying much from a Senate that hasn’t passed a budget in over 950 days.

If I were the Republican, planning on running against a Democrat in the Senate, I’d be out there every day telling people how the Democrat they voted for refuses to do his job, pass a budget, and deal with anything. All they want to do is kick the can down the road. Hammer theM. HAMMER THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bflat879 on December 20, 2011 at 9:13 AM

There is something in the senate bill that Reid seems to want awfully bad, and I don’t think it’s a case of trying to make the repubs look like they’re evil tax raising anti working class thugs. That’s just icing on his cake promoted by the msm. Something big will be happening in 2 or 3 months.

Kissmygrits on December 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM

This is a question of whether the House of Representatives will be able to fulfill the basic legislative function

Like pass a budget?

Scrappy on December 20, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Was the provision to “encourage” Obama to approve the Keystone XL pipeline in the Senate bill? If so, it would behoove Boehner and the House to take the two-month payroll tax cut now, then re-negotiate in February.

Steve Z on December 20, 2011 at 10:15 AM

Forget all the peripherals and nuances. To the general public which includes the vast majority of so called independents who are really just wind socks, this looks like a tax cut from the Dems that the Republicans are refusing to support. It is tax relief which seems to benefit the average worker, not like a capital gains tax cut. Sorry, but the Republicans cannot win this argument once the leadership allowed the legislation to progress this far.

DaveDief on December 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Like pass a budget?

Scrappy on December 20, 2011 at 9:43 AM

The house passed a budget and about 25 dems voted for it. I believe Paul Ryan provided the blueprint. Harry Reid hasn’t taken up a budget in something like 965 days.

It appears this crap about us losing the messaging is real. People, stay focused.

DanMan on December 20, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Sorry, but the Republicans cannot win this argument once the leadership allowed the legislation to progress this far.

DaveDief on December 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM

You are advocating reducing the income to social security. You are advocating reducing the solvency of social security. Are the republicans now supposed to be running on this platform? Man this painful.

DanMan on December 20, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Hey, if it’s a tax cut they want, Republicans should stop messing around with the SS tax and put up a real tax cut. They should be demanding to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

That’s not a tax cut. This is a tax cut.

kbTexan on December 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM

“You are advocating reducing the income to social security. You are advocating reducing the solvency of social security. Are the republicans now supposed to be running on this platform? Man this painful.”

DanMan on December 20, 2011 at 11:25 AM

Actually, I don’t mean that I personally advocate that. All I am saying is that I believe this is what this fight looks like to the average American. I also think more and more Americans believe Social Security may not be there when they retire so why pay more into an insolvent program which in its present fiscal state seems to have an expiration date. It’s just not known when that will be. If Obama is re-elected maybe they will follow through on the goivernment taking over management of all 401(k)s.

DaveDief on December 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Gosh guys… We need Term Limits and a rollback of the 17th!

Medbob on December 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Hey, if it’s a tax cut they want, Republicans should stop messing around with the SS tax and put up a real tax cut. They should be demanding to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

That’s not a tax cut. This is a tax cut.

kbTexan on December 20, 2011 at 12:15 PM

kbTexan gets it. We need to quit worrying about how the media will portray us for once. Reid has stalled a budget for going on three years and that isn’t making a dent in the dems narrative is it?

Get real. Get mean. Get real mean. A two month tax cut is BS and everyone on this board knows it. If that taints the XL Pipeline language that Obama has threatened to veto anyway then you are playing chess two steps ahead of your own checkmate.

DanMan on December 20, 2011 at 12:58 PM

DaveDief on December 20, 2011 at 12:36 PM

I get what you’re saying but let’s be honest Dave. I too have been told not to count on SS and I’m at the magical year that Ryan proposes to change things. I say bring it. Unfortunatley my mom and many others rely on SS. If we are going to live with reality of minimizing SS then let’s run on it. Compare Obama threatening to stop checks last August for a program that is currently solvent to the rest of the democrat playbook that says “THE GOP WANTS TO DESTROY SS!!!11!!” every time any reform is mentioned. He has paid no price for doing exactly what they (demedia) already accuse the GOP of doing. Obamacare as passed will take $500 billion directly out of Medicare and there has been no price for dems to pay. That was supposed to start in January 2012 and Obama has put it off so already the funding for Obamacare is on a path of debt before it even starts. Nancy Pelosi has said publicly dems want to go after private retirement funds to make things fair. Her proposal may not be direct confiscation but she does want to make the tax incentives for saving disappear while offering an individual account in exchange for tapping your existing savings with a gauranteed growth of 3% and no allowance for inheritance.

If you think the average American doesn’t get it then explain it to them.

DanMan on December 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM

I think Boehner may be just a bit too timid.
If he had demanded Keystone and the State depts. take on environmental concerns(which is basically there are no great problems from digging the pipeline) about keystone be in the bill he would have had a winner.Furthermore, it would have been relatively easy to OK the 2% tax cuts funding SS as long as it was paid for.He could simply have stated he is not for cutting funding to the SS fund which is exactly what the 2% tax cut does.
I think Boehner is showing just why Newt could be the best possible choice.
Chances of Newt getting into this situation to begin with would be remote.He usually out thought the left.Boehner … not so much.
We need a potus who can beat these clowns at every turn.

rodguy911 on December 20, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Reid’s despicable but I’m hoping he’ll attach the iPoker bill. Let Americans play poker online, people!

jjraines on December 20, 2011 at 2:06 PM

My first comment – thank you for opening registration!

I follow politics fairly religiously, but not wonkishly, and I am confused about the back and forth on this bill. NPR pretended to explain it but they seemed confused themselves, though they didn’t admit it. In one breath, it is recognized that Republicans opposed the payroll tax cut but now Republicans want a longer extension. And even though the payroll tax cut is what the Democrats want, now they don’t want to extend it too far?

Crispian on December 20, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Typical, the Republicans want a year long tax cut while the Democrats prefer a tax cut lasting only two months.

RJL on December 20, 2011 at 3:08 PM

Crispian on December 20, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Crispian you have identified the issue without knowing it. They are playing politics as usual. The Repubs are afraid of being labelled as supporting a tax increase in an election year and dems want to be able to reopen the other issues repubs stuck in the one year extension (XL pipeline, light bulbs, coal plant emmissions, etc.)

Nothing works with Harry Reid running the senate.

DanMan on December 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Thanks, DanMan. That is what I suspect, but I do not understand why the media is playing along. Whether in conservative blogs or the aforementioned liberal NPR, nobody points this out. NPR didn’t note that the payroll tax cut was a plan pushed by Democrats and generally opposed by Republicans for being fiscally irresponsible. It was left up to the listener’s imagination that Republicans had been pushing for the payroll tax cut all along but didn’t get as much as they wanted(which is plausible given our fervor for generally lower taxes). It’s as if the media is also afraid of getting on the wrong side of their respective parties.

Crispian on December 20, 2011 at 4:00 PM

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