Ron Paul now the favorite on InTrade to win Iowa
posted at 6:15 pm on December 19, 2011 by Allahpundit
Via Dave Weigel, I’m torn between hoping it doesn’t happen since that would almost certainly mean Romney will be the nominee and hoping that it does just because blogging the chaos in the aftermath would be so much fun. On the one hand, you’d have the Karl Roves of the world breathing into paper bags, and on the other you’d have Paul fans outraged that the national media has dared start to vet him. Postworthy anger from every corner for days on end.
Naturally, as Paul’s InTrade odds have soared in Iowa, so have Romney’s odds on being the nominee. He’s up to 68.4 percent as I write this while Gingrich has collapsed to 8.3 percent — just one tenth of one percent ahead of, um, Ron Paul thanks to all the terrible polls for him today. The Gallup tracking poll has him down to a two-point lead nationally over Romney after leading by 14 just 10 days ago. And here’s one more Iowa poll, this time from Insider Advantage, that Ed and Tina didn’t get to this morning:
Not only is Perry starting to peel off some of Newt’s votes, Gingrich’s core demographic support — the 65+ crowd — has apparently begun to abandon ship. If that’s true, i.e. Insider Advantage isn’t an outlier, then he’s truly done for. I can’t fathom why he insisted on “staying positive” in Iowa while Paul’s campaign and Romney’s Super PAC were busy tearing him to pieces on the air. Maybe he calculated that he could best ease voters’ worries about the erratic “bad Newt” by showing discipline and training his fire exclusively on Obama and policy critiques. Looks like he crapped out on that bet, and with no more debates scheduled before the caucuses, there’s no opportunity for him to turn the tide. As for Paul, as good as his numbers look right now, I wonder if he’s surging a week too early. Beltway Republicans might not care about him winning Iowa unless and until he threatens Romney in New Hampshire too — which may not be as unlikely as it seems — but the Iowa Republican establishment doesn’t want a batch of “does Iowa still matter?” stories on January 4. There are plenty of undecideds still out there to be swayed; could be that some of the state’s prominent social conservatives will now line up behind Perry instead of, say, Santorum simply because Perry’s got a better chance of heading off a Paul victory.
Here’s the latest archived clip rescued from oblivion by C-SPAN junkie Andy Kaczynski, a 1999 quick take of Newt describing himself as a “Theodore Roosevelt progressive” when it comes to ethics and fighting corruption. Matt Lewis is right that the P-word meant something a little different 12 years ago than it does now, but even the current definition fits Newt a bit better than it should. Read Mark Steyn in NRO on “The Gingrich Gestalt”: “I’d prefer to formulate it this way: Gingrich is a pushover for progressivism who’s succeeded in passing himself off as a hard-line right-wing bastard.” Oh, and be sure to read Philip Klein’s response too to Ron Paul fans who want it both ways when it comes to the media taking their guy seriously but not so seriously that they start looking at those old newsletters again. Exit quotation: “Rick Perry and Mitt Romney have both attacked each other for what was written in their respective books. If either of those books had included a number of overtly racist statements, their candidacies would be over before they started. If they used the Ron Paul defense – that they didn’t write the words themselves, they didn’t know what was in the books and don’t even know who wrote them, it would only make matters worse. They could kiss their political careers goodbye.”
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shouldn’t we wait for Barbara to tell us who to vote for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNVB3SgyX8
PappyD61 on December 19, 2011 at 10:42 PM
Oh daaaaaaaaamn! LMAO.
Hard Right on December 19, 2011 at 10:43 PM
Hard Right on December 19, 2011 at 10:40 PM
Did I address my comment to you? No. So butt out…
Scrumpy on December 19, 2011 at 10:43 PM
Logboy on December 19, 2011 at 10:40 PM
I am in awe of you, Sir!
annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2011 at 10:44 PM
PappyD61 on December 19, 2011 at 10:42 PM
I’m a ‘Barbara’(though no one will dare call me that name) and I’m telling you to vote for Perry.
How’s that?
annoyinglittletwerp on December 19, 2011 at 10:46 PM
Vitriol and ad hominems do not suit you. Why you got to be so nasty eh? My comment wasn’t directed at you so butt out too…
Scrumpy on December 19, 2011 at 10:46 PM
Riiiight. Yet he has plenty of time to vote against earmarks. Look, just admit it. Ron Paul and his followers hate Isareli jews.
It’s a public forum. Deal with it sybil.
Hard Right on December 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM
Insert Paul’s non-interventionist, conservative stance here and it wouldn’t have happened. How many troops have Iranians killed with IEDs or EFPs within our borders?
Dante on December 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM
I never thought I’d see so called conservatives act in such a manner so unbecoming. Are you plants from the Left? Sure sounds like it.
Scrumpy on December 19, 2011 at 10:49 PM
Poor Castro…. Look: It never happened and you know all about it which is the track record for most of the BS the conspiracy industry foists off onto the mental midgets who keep it going.
V7_Sport on December 19, 2011 at 10:50 PM
No,
Neocon is a code word for neoconservative. You know, those former Trotskyist (like neoconservative founder Irving Kristol) who now form the intellectual foundation for modern conservatism.
antifederalist on December 19, 2011 at 10:54 PM
Oh I shall…and thank you so much for naming me Sybil! I never knew…
Sure you are done with me now?
Scrumpy on December 19, 2011 at 10:54 PM
The files were declassified and released in 1997.
Dante on December 19, 2011 at 10:57 PM
Calling a vet a chickenhawk.
wow.just.wow.
tom daschle concerned on December 19, 2011 at 11:07 PM
hawkdriver may have intended to serve his country (i.e. the people). In reality, he served his government (i.e. the Federal government)
antifederalist on December 19, 2011 at 11:09 PM
Eh, don’t be. Like the other Vets here I’m one of millions who volunteered to do the job. I just happened to get winged. The experience changes ones perspective on the world and the use of military force. You realize that the ridiculous “isolationist” policies of Ron Paul and his followers would never work for far too many reasons to type out tonight. There is evil in the world and no amount of “being nice” to our enemies and pulling back from the rest of the world will change their desire to kill us. The thought that would ever work is infantile at best. But hey, if thats their Ron Paul dream then let them try it on for size. They remind me of the crazy leftists who tried to go to Iraq to be human shields: delusional, at best.
Logboy on December 19, 2011 at 11:10 PM
I’d describe it as ‘brilliant’, if I were a would-be tyrant. I wouldn’t even need to keep the plans secret – the denialist idiots would counteract anyone who saw them, on their own time and money.
Look at the forgery Obama’s passed off as his birth certificate. People came from all over to defend him, even people who knew full well that he HATED them and everything they stood for! Who needs a big expensive Illuminati conspiracy when you’ve got a population like that?
MelonCollie on December 19, 2011 at 11:15 PM
There is evil in the world and you have to be extremely selective when deciding to engage an enemy. You can’t compulsively fight every form of evil around the world. I say we start fighting the evil here at home and then if it is necessary to confront external threats so be it. We have it ASS backwards!!! The country is rotting from the inside out and we have the best military men in the world chasing proverbial windmills in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Pitchforker on December 19, 2011 at 11:15 PM
We have people defending Operation Northwoods despite it’s documented existence. It’s surreal. Seriously, imagine the hair-raising material that is deemed ‘classified’, if so called ‘tame’ material like this has been declassified.
Pitchforker on December 19, 2011 at 11:20 PM
Am I a liberal like you? No. I’m actually a Conservative.
Hard Right on December 19, 2011 at 11:22 PM
Now you’re just lying. No one defended it. They simply stated the facts. You know, the very thing you Ronulans are allergic to.
Hard Right on December 19, 2011 at 11:24 PM
Beginning in 1978, Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-TX) name graced newsletters that were released on a seemingly monthly basis: Ron Paul’s Freedom Report, Ron Paul Political Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report. “The Freedom Report’s online archives only go back to 1999,” but The New Republic’s Jamie Kirchick recently tracked down physical copies of many of the pre-1999 reports.
According to Kirchick, they’re peppered with a “decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays.” Here are a few examples:
On David Duke: “Our priority should be to take the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-crime, anti-welfare loafers, anti-race privilege, anti-foreign meddling message of Duke, and enclose it in a more consistent package of freedom.”
On Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.: “A comsymp, if not an actual party member, and the man who replaced the evil of forced segregation with the evil of forced integration.”
On African-Americans: “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.”
On Gays: “Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities.”
golembythehudson on December 19, 2011 at 11:25 PM
National Alliance Party leaders or former leaders are actively promoting the Ron Paul campaign on neo-Nazi websites.
one of Rep. Paul’s top internet organizers is a neo-Nazi leader named Will Williams
Williams was the southern coordinator for the Nationalist alliance party. the largest neo-Nazi party in the U.S.
Racist podcaster Hal Turner has recently taken a break from issuing death threats to politicians and denying the holocaust in order to endorse Ron Paul. And then there’s David Duke himself, who’s devoted webpage after webpage to material supportive of the Paul campaign,
Ron Doggett, currently of a group called Viginia EURO, a local branch of a national group started by David Duke is a active campaigner of Ron Paul on the Vanguard News Network, a neo-nazi/white supremacist forum with a dedicated Ron Paul campaign section titled “Ron Paul’s internet army”, where such posters such as “BurnJewBurn”. whose slogan, appearing on everything he posts, reads “nothing says lovin’ like a jew in the oven”., post enthusiastic admiration for Ron Paul and his campaign..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ce5_1318335288
golembythehudson on December 19, 2011 at 11:28 PM
Isn’t Hal Turner locked up?
Pitchforker on December 19, 2011 at 11:31 PM
FTFY.
If, somehow, I ever discover d@mning evidence of some horrible conspiracy afoot…I’m not gonna release it. Just warn my close friends and family as quietly as humanly possible.
If the public is this determined to be a bunch of sheep, there’s really nothing any of us can do.
MelonCollie on December 19, 2011 at 11:34 PM
Iowa needs to be challenged by a prominent swing state for first spot.
It seems that fools run the majority of both parties there.
scotash on December 19, 2011 at 11:35 PM
Romney is going to be the nominee, just come to terms with it. He’s the only decent general election candidate in the whole field. Might as well hope he beats Obama and push him from the right during his presidency.
therightwinger on December 19, 2011 at 11:37 PM
From your keyboard to God’s ears.
…I suppose…as much as any of the pack of clowns the GOP is fielding can be called ‘decent’.
The minute he becomes president, it’s Romney who will be pushing the right – straight off the nearest cliff. Just wait until he gets around to socializing medicine.
MelonCollie on December 19, 2011 at 11:41 PM
Ron Paul on the Imus show: “Israel actions are horrible, atrocious”
“They are starving people and keeping them in concentration camps”
“This is a perfect opportunity to say, Israel, your on your own, we’re no longer backing you up” – in reference to the Mavi marmara Turkish ship with members of a US designated terrorist group affiliated with hamas the IHH trying to break Israels naval blockade
“Hamas is a legitimate elected govt”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/03/ron_paul_hamas_is_a_legitimate_government.html
golembythehudson on December 19, 2011 at 11:42 PM
he endorsed him before he went to jail
golembythehudson on December 19, 2011 at 11:46 PM
Case in point.
http://efg-bnusfoodreserves.blogspot.com/2011/12/glenn-beck-breaks-down-ndaa-indefinite.html
Why isn’t Rush Limbaugh talking about NDAA and it’s potential ramifications? You know being abducted by the federal authorities and never being seen again by your loved ones is kinda disturbing? No? And it has happened twice before in our history with Wilson and later FDR. So much for the tinfoil, eh? It’s all just a figment of our creative imagination after many years of heavy marijuana use. Maybe if I can pledge a allegiance to the flag and drape myself in Old Glory they won’t apprehend me. LOL
Pitchforker on December 19, 2011 at 11:48 PM
“Whatever organization you
belong to, remember first and foremost that you’re a white nationalist,
then put aside your differences with one another and work together.
Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees
with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man, look at the
issues, look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul, 2008.”
—Stormfront radio
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3bb_1318186489
golembythehudson on December 19, 2011 at 11:50 PM
B-but, he loves Israel. Yeah, like a wife beater loves his wife.
That sound like you alright. On 9/11, on JFK, on the Fed, and any other of the Ronulan paranoid delusions we prove you wrong on.
Hard Right on December 19, 2011 at 11:53 PM
Hmm, now who was it that said anything about 9/11, JFK, or the Fed here?
Oh yeah! It was YOU!
MelonCollie on December 19, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Yeah, well, the one who calls himself MelonCollie called me a chickenhawk, too. He seems to have an unerring instinct for calling combat veterans ‘chickenhawks’. It’s like some sort of weirdly inverted ESP.
Please note, too, this MelonCollie guy is also running multiple socks, and I think he’s probably representative of the whole bunch: 3 or 4 sock farmers giving the impression Ron Paul has more support than he actually does, which is more or less the same thing this crowd does when they stuff the ballots in real-life and online polls. They cheat and lie while simultaneously demanding respect for their beliefs.
I would imagine the irony escapes them completely.
troyriser_gopftw on December 20, 2011 at 12:00 AM
video: Ron Paul meets with 9/11 truthers, agrees that 9/11 might have been an inside job, say’s he will “investigate” it with Kucinich, also thinks JFK was killed by the US govt
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c5_1179338348
golembythehudson on December 20, 2011 at 12:01 AM
More proof of paranoid delusions on your part. It doesn’t apply to American citizens. Yet again you prove what people say about RP lovers- nuts.
Here are even more facts you will dismiss:
http://www.americansoldierswife.com/2011/12/dispelling-myths-and-misinformation.html
Hard Right on December 20, 2011 at 12:02 AM
Actually I think it was Pitchforker and you agreed with him.
Either way, your posts have shown you to be a coward and a douche.
Hard Right on December 20, 2011 at 12:05 AM
…says the loudmouth wingnut douchebag.
Go do something more suited to your level, like play Candy Land.
MelonCollie on December 20, 2011 at 12:09 AM
I took no offense because he is inadvertently correct. But he’s still a gutless wonder. He demanded I google it in order for him to assuage his own fears of saying it himself. Spineless because he won’t back up his own words. But he’s correct and stupid all at the same time because I’m not a chickenhawk in his context. I’m a Robert Mason chickenhawk. Have you even ever heard of the book MelonCollie or even understand it’s original meaning? I’m proud to be a chickenhawk.
You are a coward.
hawkdriver on December 20, 2011 at 12:11 AM
golembythehudson on December 19, 2011 at 11:28 PM
I just LOVE your handle.
Welcome.
annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 12:27 AM
Sounds like one of our new Paultard commenters, Jerry Bear.
catmman on December 20, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Yeah, they have about as much respect for the military as liberals, and have about the same amount of military experience. Yet they’re experts on us and our baby killing ways. They’re also experts on national defense and fighting our enemies. Just ask them, they’ll tell you.
Logboy on December 20, 2011 at 12:32 AM
I would actually vote and support someone who has all of Paul’s views and ideas, as long as it’s not Paul.
I just can’t stand him.
tkyang99 on December 20, 2011 at 12:38 AM
thanks! although i might have to file a complaint about yours, i’ve been calling my brother that for years now, it’s a blatant case of copyright infringement!!!
golembythehudson on December 20, 2011 at 12:41 AM
You go on doing it like you’ve been doing it. Because it doesn’t matter what they think. You handled yourself like you always do. Like a true professional.
You have to know how much some of us admire what you’ve achieved. You’re an inspiration to anyone who knows your story, kid.
hawkdriver on December 20, 2011 at 12:46 AM
Rand’s your man, then. Don’t know if he’ll be running this time ’round, though.
MelonCollie on December 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM
golembythehudson on December 20, 2011 at 12:41 AM
I’m female…I think I am anyway…so I should be in the clear.*grin*.
annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 12:51 AM
Obama is looking better and better everyday. Instead of sitting out the election I will vote for Obama. That’s how much I dislike the KKK supported Ron Paul
The Notorious G.O.P on December 20, 2011 at 12:58 AM
Be sure to tell your friends and family in the coming years that you proudly voted for Obama. Especially the ones who’ve lost their jobs.
MelonCollie on December 20, 2011 at 1:01 AM
I appreciate it. I dont know about the whole professional part, I might slip a hit under the belt if the ref isnt watching close. I dont need their thanks or anyone else’s really. I know what we were fighting for and against, and what we accomplished. It really is amazing how clueless they are about their own defense policies though. Like if we just be nice to countries like Iran they’ll suddenly like us, or even tolerate us. They fail to realize the world doesnt operate on idealism.
Night. Early VA appointment.
Logboy on December 20, 2011 at 1:03 AM
MelonCollie on December 20, 2011 at 1:01 AM
Notorious is one of yours.
He’s being sarcastic.
annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 1:03 AM
Either that really needs the sarc tag or I’m way too tired. Prolly the latter.
MelonCollie on December 20, 2011 at 1:05 AM
FYI:
For the record:
I’m for Ron Paul.
I’m for the USA.
I’m for Israel.
I’m a Jew.
I am.
I exist.
The end.
The and.
Inward, outward, onward & upward, may we all go.
ABLOGMAN on December 20, 2011 at 1:06 AM
Ron Paul= a racist?
ಠ_ಠ
I mean, he against the drug war, and i’m not going to kid myself and believe that white people don’t do more drugs than minorities. Yet 60% of people sent to jail for drug are minorities. That in itself is a serious WTF.
Then people complain about him being an anti-Semite for his stands on Israel, yet he has avowed not to sell weapons that could harm Israeli supremacy in the region, nor would he block an Israeli nuclear strike on Iranian nuke facilities. eliminate $13 billion in aid to Israel’s enemies which Obama provides, at the cost of $3 billion to Israel(sounds like a more than fair trade to me).
If this is all we have to complain about Ron Paul, I’m sure he will be the nominee. Ron has never even been taped saying these things, it isn’t an effective attack on him in this age unless their is video of him.
If you want footage of a Republican candidate spouting racist remarks, look up Newt Gingrich at the KU Dole Institute of Politics in 2009. That is bigotry at its finest.
jayhawkboilermaker on December 20, 2011 at 1:37 AM
I don’t know, but somethign tells me if Romney couldn’t win the nomination in 2008 with McCain and Huckabee as his opponents, he’s not going to get it done this year either as RomneyCare is a bigger issue now.
I would have thought he would have locked this thing up with the implosion of Perry but he hasn’t.
What’s odd about Romney is he didn’ seek reelection in Mass, so why did he feel the need to go with the liberal flow? He should have pushed the state to the right and he would be getting credit for doing that. It’s not just a matter of having executive experience, it’s what you do with it while you have the power.
Dr. Tesla on December 20, 2011 at 2:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTpJOVhIxWc
golembythehudson on December 20, 2011 at 2:30 AM
RON PAUL 2012!!!
steve123 on December 20, 2011 at 2:53 AM
steve123 on December 20, 2011 at 2:53 AM
I’ll sit on my hands.
annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 3:01 AM
“you cannot take a substance which reneders you incapable of making basic decisions and right/wrong determinations”. That’s not an abridgement of individual liberty – it is stopping someone from placing everyone else’s welfare at stake because of your blatant disregard for anyone outside of the self.
sure i can,and what i do is none of your business,and that includes the decisions i make.
telling me what i can and cannot do certainly is an abridgement of my individual liberty.
exactly who’s welfare is at stake for what i may or may not do? yours? if so,how exactly?
your exactly whats wrong with this party. you cant mind your own business,and think you and the government have a right to mind mine.
svs22422 on December 20, 2011 at 3:45 AM
I hope Ron Paul wins Iowa and embarrasses Newt Gingrich, who would then hopefully drop out not long after.
When Romney wins this thing, I will finally be able to breathe a sigh of relief. With Romney as the nominee, we have our best chance of beating Obama!
bluegill on December 20, 2011 at 6:26 AM
You need to know something about these markets like InTrade. Their predictive value is related to similar issues on the stock market. When there is high volume on an issue, you can expect the pricing reflects the best estimate based upon current knowledge. The more people participating in pricing decisions, the more accurate the price.
So click on Paul’s picture and then “view all open contracts” or whatever they are calling it these days, which lists all of the bids and offers outstanding. You’ll see there are very few of either. Therefore, it is not a reliable predictor, and the price should not be viewed with confidence.
During the general election, the Presidential race will have tens of thousands of contracts at stake, perhaps hundreds of thousands. What a couple hundred on the primary tell you isn’t worth knowing.
Adjoran on December 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM
Ron Paul will be our next president! Ron Paul ”08!!!
GW_SS-Delta on December 20, 2011 at 7:56 AM
Ron Paul is a blithering idiot wrong on all the issues. He may get enough potheads in one place to win caucus votes in Iowa but he will not win real primaries in states that matter. We should all just ignore him and maybe he will go away. With any luck he’ll take the potheads with him.
Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 8:09 AM
I will stay home before ever voting for an idiot like Ron Paul. Fortunately, the moron has no chance of winning the GOP nomination. I don’t know why the party even humors the efforts of these third-rate candidates by legitimizing their announced campaigns.
Happy Nomad on December 20, 2011 at 8:12 AM
ron paul popularity is a warning to the neocons. the conservative electorate is tired of policing the world. out of the bases, back to the us. protect the border. save money.
nathor on December 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
It’s clear you aren’t someone who thinks for himself; just someone who takes orders, follows them, and defends them. You are incapable of examining how and why conflict exists.
Dante on December 20, 2011 at 8:23 AM
Paul will be given just enough rope to hang himself, once people fully explore his xenophobic foreign policy and hedonistic domestic policy he’ll be yesterdays news…
insidiator on December 20, 2011 at 8:46 AM
Got some real beauts in these last enrollments. Geez.
SurferDoc on December 20, 2011 at 8:51 AM
So why don’t you Ron Paul true believers stop fooling around and write and say what you actually believe: that a global conspiracy orchestrated by a cabal of (Jewish) international bankers headed by the (Jewish) Rothschild family manipulates whole countries into fighting interminable wars for purposes of profit, the US included–actually, the US especially. The reason why Ron Paul claims the Iranian mullahs are justified in seeking nuclear weapons is because he views their country as a victim of this ‘Zionist’ conspiracy, targeted because Iran poses a threat to Israel. And of course, US foreign policy is completely under the influence of the insidious Zionist lobby. In short, Ron Paul’s worldview is not so different from the conspiratorial drivel outlined in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Your fearless leader Dr. Ron Paul is an ideological cousin to the late Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi–or another dictator I could name but won’t for fear of invoking Godwin’s Law–and more pernicious than either, since Paul claims to be an American patriot.
Put it all on the table, you disingenuous twits. Show us what you’re really all about. And here’s a newsflash: those things in which you so fervently believe are emphatically not conservative beliefs, and have the additional downside of being glaringly untrue. You are not conservatives and you are not Republicans and you don’t have the right to call yourselves either.
So what are you afraid of, Ron Paul lovers? Think we can’t handle the truth; rather, The Truth? Tell us all about the Zionists and the Neocons and the Bilderburgers and the Illuminati. Don’t hold back.
troyriser_gopftw on December 20, 2011 at 8:55 AM
Didn’t Huckabee’s win solidify the fact that a win in Iowa doesn’t really matter all that much?
tdpwells on December 20, 2011 at 9:16 AM
Ron Paul, Pied piper to the paranoiacs.
V7_Sport on December 20, 2011 at 9:19 AM
Go get ‘em troyriser_gopftw!
insidiator on December 20, 2011 at 9:19 AM
Exactly.
V7_Sport on December 20, 2011 at 9:21 AM
There’s a big difference between a pragmatic approach to foreign policy an the pre-World War One isolationist mentality that Ron Paul espouses.
I don’t want to police the world, but I think we all must recognize that America has a legitimate role in the world in maintaining order. Sticking our head in the sand is just not realistic and neither is Ron Paul on this issue.
SleightOfHand on December 20, 2011 at 9:23 AM
could be that some of the state’s prominent social conservatives will now line up behind Perry instead of, say, Santorum
NOPE! Santorums pandering for the last year in Iowa has paid off for him and will make Iowa the laughing stock!
As much as it hurts me to say this the Evangelicals of western Ia seem to be all aligned behind him. One big one yet to come in in the next hour is the family values group, the group behind the ouster of the three judges who found a right to gay marriage in the IA constitution.
I have no doubt they will line up behind Santorum.
this will mean a Mitt Romney or Ron Paul winner unless Newt can hang on or improve, the Mitt and Paul attack ads are brutal. relentless and mostly fabrications but the same sheeple that throw their support to a 3% Santorum are influenced by them.
A sad day in politics as I feel newt would be the best .
For you Perry fans he is going no-where here. There are only so many of the mobilized evangelicals and his pandering started way late for that head in the sand group.
IMHO opinion as an Iowan
ConcealedKerry on December 20, 2011 at 9:48 AM
“Of course I am going to be the nominee of the party”
Newton Gingrich, early December 2011
AirForceCane on December 20, 2011 at 10:09 AM
Alright.
That’s enough!
Logboy lost his arm and part of his other hand protecting you and this country!
You’re comment is purely inflammatory not to mention repulsive.
This thread has had it all. Thinly veiled anti-semitism, outright Trutherism, abject conspiracist revisionism, now we have an disabled combat vet being personally insulted and denigrated.
Hot Air admin, hello?
catmman on December 20, 2011 at 10:13 AM
C’man man…..
Did everyone in the Mainstream Media forget about his racist rantings in his old newsletters until just today? Did the Republican establishment forget about his racist rantings until just today? Did the Paulites forget that Paul’s racist rantings would make him un-electable?
Paul is only around to split the vote while he’s useful. As soon as he’s not useful (today) he’ll be buried by his past.
And people rant and rave about Newt’s past?
C’mon man…..
Is the majority of Republican voters this stupid?
oldroy on December 20, 2011 at 10:14 AM
The racist comments in Ron Paul’s newsletters from a few years ago will be a huge factor if he gets the nomination (Lord, I hope he can be dispensed with soon)…
Paul has said that if he’s not the nominee then he won’t support the GOP candidate against Obama. He won’t rule out a third party run. He has a history of racism and antisemitism. What a nauseating character.
shinty on December 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM
Conflict generates hits. Something had to make up for the Palin fade.
In return for the largesse, I’d like the people running this show–Allahpundit, Ed, Tina–to call out Congressman Ron Paul and his glassy-eyed, cult-like pack of conspiracy theorists and bigots for what they are. That fringe lunatic and his true believers have been treated with deference and respect by just about everyone–I’m guessing partly out of fear Paul will go for a Ross Perot-like third party split. Of the GOP primary candidates, only Bachmann, so far, has had the guts to go after that weaselly, antisemitic, America Firster fraud. Of the bloggers, Ace of Ace of Spades HQ has showcased the good Doctor’s more outrageous ideas and associations.
Your turn, Hot Air. Time to speak out. Otherwise, this influx of Ron Paul acolytes and Stormfront trolls during open registration is just a snake-and-mongoose exercise in cynical manipulation.
troyriser_gopftw on December 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM
I join with other faithful Hot Air posters in calling for a culling of the herd regarding the Paulnut Invasion which happened during the last two Open Registrations.
kingsjester on December 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM
oldroy, I didn’t know about Paul’s racist backstory until just yesterday, and I do try to keep up with the political scene. I’m sure most conservative voters are in the same boat on that score.
During the Bush years the media used Paul as a kind of ‘republican voice of conscience’ to trash W’s efforts. Now the media is likely to use Paul – the front running racist – to try to tarnish the whole GOP. He seems to be making a career out of being the MSM’s useful idiot.
shinty on December 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Troy, whoa. You’re going off on a tangent. First off let me correct you because you like conflating things for dramatic effect. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion has already been exposed as a hoax. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails.
Now regarding this meme that the Rothschilds run the entire world, that is incorrect. Yes, there are large banking and merchant families of inconceivable wealth (DuPont, Astor, etc.) which date back to the middle ages that throw their weight around their globe but I wouldn’t say there is one dominant family. And this obsession with claiming that those who point out this fact are somehow anti-Semitic is another accusation which falls on deaf ears. Yes, there are elements who despise the jews and use this fact as an excuse to discriminate them as well as their state, but that’s besides the point. The irrefutable fact is that the citizens aren’t in the steering wheel and it’s been that way for quite some time.
To be Conservative is to be vigilant and suspicious of centralized power. There are no sacred cows. Why do you think Kirk and Jefferson placed such a stress on a rural society because they were keenly aware of the potential corruption which were to be birthed in cities? Right now the Sodom and Gomorrah on this planet are New York City and Washington D.C.
Troy, unlike you I will not denounce that you’re not a conservative. On the contrary actually. You are a misguided conservative being manipulated by your emotions because you cannot rationalize the fact that the people that deployed you are duplicitous vermin. I understand that you love your country and wish to defend her from evil, but you need to examine the big picture. So implore you to read the works of deceased historian Anthony Sutton to understand what I am talking about. I really wish it was US versus THEM but it isn’t. There is no US.
Pitchforker on December 20, 2011 at 10:41 AM
It looks like Bachmann can’t make up much ground…so GO RON PAUL!
Decoski on December 20, 2011 at 10:54 AM
With all due respect to the folks asking to have this commenter banned because of comments to Logboy, reconsider. These anti-military rants are important insights to the psyche of Ron Paul supporters. Most are polite and only stab around at their hatred of the folks in the service with innuendo. These latest ones lay it all out there for the most part and their comments are instructive to say the least.
It pains me too to read these hateful comments to a guy that’s given as much as that kid has, but this is important to hear. And Logboy knows it too.
Let them keep talking.
hawkdriver on December 20, 2011 at 11:32 AM
If Ron Paul wins the nomination, I am staying home…I can’t vote for him. Statements like “I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us and keep us in”. Wow, talk about conspiracy theories no thanks. Supporting Cynthia McKinney in 2008 enough said there. I will never vote for him, even if I like his fiscal stance. The Presidency is about the entire package. We already tried one that was only partially filled and that didn’t work out so great.
Asianeyes704 on December 20, 2011 at 12:42 PM
Ah, and here you are proving Coulter’s point regarding the left’s infallibility of victimhood. He isn’t being mocked or criticized for what happened to him; his positions are being discussed and refuted. Keep up with your appeal to emotion, the infallibility of victims, and your host of other logical fallacies – anything to avoid discussing content of opinions.
Dante on December 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM
You’re right. It was a very respectful exchange.
hawkdriver on December 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM
You’re right. It was a very respectful exchange.
hawkdriver on December 20, 2011 at 1:34 PM
You’re right. It was a very respectful exchange.
hawkdriver on December 20, 2011 at 1:36 PM
If it is true that we may judge ourselves by those who oppose us, then let me say my heart is bursting with pride. Stay classy, Ron Paul Truther. ;)
Logboy on December 20, 2011 at 2:00 PM
kingsjester on December 20, 2011 at 10:39 AM
Ditto.
annoyinglittletwerp on December 20, 2011 at 8:56 PM
You might be a crank if …
You might be a crank if you can quote the melting point of steel from memory
You might be a crank if you’ve committed to memory the secret combination to the box that holds the scepter in National Treasure
You might be a crank if you consider changing from an Art Bell devotee to Alex Jones devotee a step up.
Fact: Alex Jones is allied with the likes of Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul.
Fact: Ron Paul is a racist nutjob crank.
Fact: The media intentionally holds it’s fire on Paul because he helps Obama.
This country is so overrun with liberalism, it’s just disheartening. It’s like it’s time to figure out how to get to New Zealand.
pc on December 20, 2011 at 9:53 PM
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