Bradley Manning has “gender issues”

posted at 2:00 pm on December 18, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Even as we watch the close of the Iraq war – or at least our direct, military involvement in it – one of the lingering stories which came out of the conflict continues to unfold. Accused traitor Bradley Manning has finally begun his trial, with a pre-trial hearing taking place at Fort Meade army base in Maryland on charges that he leaked hundreds of thousands of classified documents. The expected five day proceeding will determine whether or not Manning will go on to a full court martial.

His defense is apparently trying a different tactic, claiming that Manning never should have been given access to the material in the first place.

His defence lawyer, David Coombs, highlighted emails his client had sent to a superior officer explaining that confusion about his gender identity was impacting on his ability to do his job.

Investigators admitted they had found evidence that Pte Manning had created an online alter ego called “Breanna Manning”.

The soldier had also reportedly assaulted a superior, turned over a table, damaged a computer and on another occasion was found “curled up in a ball”…

The defence says Pte Manning was suffering from stress, as a homosexual soldier at a time when soldiers in the US military could not be open about their sexuality – under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, which has since been repealed by US President Barack Obama.

His defence team is also expected to argue that little harm came of the leaks, and that their release was in the greater public interest.

I’ve been following this story for a long time and have sat through numerous conference calls put on by his supporters and his defense team. This seems to represent a dramatic shift from what we’ve been hearing all along. Daniel Ellsberg (of Pentagon Papers fame) has become Manning’s biggest cheerleader and has been positing all along that Manning was some sort of hero, blowing the whistle on alleged wrongdoing and serving a “higher cause” than following his orders. Now, however, it seems more like they’re going with some sort of insanity defense.

Of course, it’s hard to blame them for having to come up with something to try. Manning is facing charges of Aiding the Enemy during a time of war, which can bring the death penalty. (Though the Army is still insisting that they’re just pushing for life in prison, at least for now.) But one thing seems clear: nobody is even suggesting at this point that he didn’t release the information in violation of his orders. Only that he may have been too “disturbed” to have been trusted with the material in the first place.

Now, I’m neither an attorney nor a psychologist, but somehow I was under the impression that we weren’t treating sexual orientation or “gender alignment” (whatever that means) as “diseases” any more, right? So Manning may be under the impression that he’s a female? Fine by me. Then she still took it upon herself to unleash secret material, possibly endangering the lives of fellow soldiers and intelligence operatives in the field – again… allegedly, until such time as the charges are proven at court martial. I suppose I’m just not clear on why that makes any difference.

By the end of this coming week we should know if we’re moving forward to court martial, as well as when and where it will happen. We’ll keep you updated.

Addendum (Ed):  I think this is less a defense than a sentencing strategy.  It won’t hold up as an insanity plea, even if a court-martial has any such option, so it looks more like they’re stipulating that the evidence will prove Manning did what the Army alleges.  This is almost certainly their idea of mitigating circumstances in order to get a lower sentence for Manning, although Jazz’ point on the sudden embrace of gender issues as mental illness is still very, very salient indeed.


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Gender schmender, he’s just a scumbag.

Go RBNY on December 18, 2011 at 2:03 PM

What would encourage such a person to join the military?

OldEnglish on December 18, 2011 at 2:04 PM

Regardless, hang him.

jnelchef on December 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM

What would encourage such a person to join the military?

OldEnglish on December 18, 2011 at 2:04 PM

A recruiter?

MikeA on December 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Who cares . . . just jail the scummy traitor.

rplat on December 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM

They are grasping at straws. And yes, it would only affect sentencing. However, with all his charges, I don’t know how much leeway any judge, no matter how sympathetic, could reduce his sentence.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM

A recruiter?

MikeA on December 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I think it was his Dad.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:08 PM

So his thing feel off and that affected his mind?

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM

Pte Manning was suffering from stress, as a homosexual soldier at a time when soldiers in the US military could not be open about their sexuality

He wouldn’t have wanted to commit treason if you conservatives would have let him participate in gay orgies in the barracks.

Buddahpundit on December 18, 2011 at 2:09 PM

A recruiter?

MikeA on December 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I don’t know whether to praise said recruiter for being very persuasive, or condemn him for total lack of judgement. This person does not belong in any disciplined environment, so why join?

OldEnglish on December 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Life.

No parole.

BallisticBob on December 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM

“Gheyness made me do it!”

whatcat on December 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM

A recruiter?

MikeA on December 18, 2011 at 2:06 PM

I think it was his Dad.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Ah, that would explain it – thanks.

OldEnglish on December 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM

Spent 9 years in the Marines as both enlisted avionics tech and an infantry officer. Never came across anyone in the service who would do such a thing. Don’t agree with the death penalty but life in prison sounds good to me. Seems to me who he wants to have sex with is pretty useless information, even from a sentencing viewpoint.

ArthurMachado on December 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM

No gay person is really a traitor because its the Army’s fault. And, so long as we allow the Army to exist, we are complicit in their gay-bashing. If he’s a traitor, we’re all traitors. Therefore, he must be a hero.

I rest my case.

Herald of Woe on December 18, 2011 at 2:14 PM

GOProud hardest hit.

BKeyser on December 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Ah, that would explain it – thanks.

OldEnglish on December 18, 2011 at 2:11 PM

If I remember correctly, he had no real job, was acting out, and physically attacked his step-mother.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM

claiming that Manning never should have been given access to the material in the first place.

Well that much is true. If the information is as sensitive as we are lead to believe, then doesn’t allowing someone of his rank to have access point to a problem further up the chain?

MechanicalBill on December 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM

He’s not facing the death penalty.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Manning is a traitor. He is also an embarrassment…Sheeesh!

workingclass artist on December 18, 2011 at 2:17 PM

He is scum!!

lisa fox on December 18, 2011 at 2:18 PM

I don’t give a crap about his “gender issues”. There have been thousands of gays who served honorably and didn’t leak classified docs, and making excuses for this clown because he had an axe to grind with DADT or whatever is a slap in the face to all of them.

Walter Sobchak on December 18, 2011 at 2:18 PM

It is so utterly predictable that lefties would play the “gay card” here– how shocking that they would try to leverage one of the most blatant acts of treason in my lifetime, just to score some points on gays in the military

thurman on December 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM

2011 was the best year on record for gays. Special rights and all.

tom daschle concerned on December 18, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Hang him with a tafetta noose then.

profitsbeard on December 18, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Makes you wonder about who was manning Brianna. And if they were aiding this distressed “damsel”.

Flange on December 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM

I think we know the defense team’s strategy now. We can’t handle the truth.

spiritof61 on December 18, 2011 at 2:22 PM

He can be “Brianna” all he wants when he gets to Leavenworth, might make him pretty popular.

major dad on December 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Gender identification issue? No problem. Just throw his male and his female side into prison for life.

Moose Drool on December 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM

He’ll have plenty of time to sort out these gender issues when he starts serving a life sentence at Ft. Leavenworth. I could care less if Manning is gay, trans or whatever. He is a disgrace to the uniform. Somehow I and hundreds, if not thousands, of other gays managed to serve during the years DADT was in effect without breaking our oaths and betraying the country we swore to defend, yet this pissant somehow couldn’t. Cry me a river. Better yet, do it in a prison cell for the rest of your miserable life.

JohnAGJ on December 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Call Dr. Cuthispeckeroff, he always resolves the issue one way or the other.

rickyricardo on December 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Sounds eerily reminiscent of the excuses that oozed about from the military after whats-his-name shot up Fort Hood. This soldier’s commanders knew he was screwed and that ‘gender issues’ were part of the problem but being all politically correct, didn’t want to cause a ruckus by demoting or booting him.

ProfessorMiao on December 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM

I don’t give a crap about his “gender issues”. There have been thousands of gays who served honorably and didn’t leak classified docs, and making excuses for this clown because he had an axe to grind with DADT or whatever is a slap in the face to all of them.

Walter Sobchak on December 18, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Agreed. Gay people have served admirably before, during, and after the various bans and DADT.

This does go to show that defense attorneys will try anything, and I do mean anything, to get their clients off. Well, OK, that’s part of their job, but this is such an absurd claim.

Oh, and I note that the article says, “which has since been repealed by US President Barack Obama.” My memory could be a little faulty, but I seem to remember that Congress, the Department of Defense, and the President all had a role in that. The credit shouldn’t just go to Obama no matter how much the leftists wish otherwise.

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Hang him with a tafetta noose then.

profitsbeard on December 18, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Heh. I was thinking a rainbow colored feather boa.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 18, 2011 at 2:28 PM

At some point we’re going to have to address the matter of what a mess our military is. Conservatives refuse to think objectively about the military; liberals refuse to think rationally about anything. The most wasteful, quasi-competent bureaucracy in history has been the result.

I separated earlier this month after 12 years. I found the military to be comprised of the greatest people on the planet and lowlife, incompetent scum bags, with a politicalized promotion system that favored the scum bags.

vermin on December 18, 2011 at 2:29 PM

As a veteran who served honorably for 10 years, I have zero sympathy for this POS.

Gothguy on December 18, 2011 at 2:29 PM

Does this mean his Firing Squad will be made up of women?

Tommy_G on December 18, 2011 at 2:30 PM

He can be “Brianna” all he wants when he gets to Leavenworth, might make him pretty popular.

major dad on December 18, 2011 at 2:23 PM

I wonder where they will house him? The disciplinary barracks are separate from the federal prison. I don’t think they have a gay unit there.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Now, I’m neither an attorney nor a psychologist, but somehow I was under the impression that we weren’t treating sexual orientation or “gender alignment” (whatever that means) as “diseases” any more, right?

We aren’t, and it isn’t. Manning does not have “gender issues” or anything of the sort. His legal team knows there is far too much evidence against Manning, so at this point, they are using any excuse they can in order to get a lighter sentencing for Manning.

It’s kind of like when a lawyer tells the person he or she is defending to plead insanity because there is too much evidence against them in a murder/rape charge. Better to try and make yourself look insane/unbalanced and get a lighter sentencing than to plead guilty and get a harsher sentencing.

theoddmanout on December 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM

This “gender identity” garbage is no excuse. When homosexuality was no longer considered a mental disorder, it opened the door to this hokum. The democrat party loves the homsexual and transexual victim groups – meanwhile they both belong in a mental institution, if not prison.

Seven Seas on December 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Actually, I’d say “gender” is probably the least of his issues. But still, perhaps he should be tried by a jury of his peers. It wold be interesting to see how a jury of gay soldiers would judge an other gay soldier who had done so much to make life harder for gay soldiers by claiming his crime was not his fault because he was a gay soldier.

MikeA on December 18, 2011 at 2:32 PM

Daniel Ellsberg (of Pentagon Papers fame)

Well I’ll be. I thought he was dead.

ddrintn on December 18, 2011 at 2:34 PM

grease her!

rik on December 18, 2011 at 2:34 PM

The democrat party loves the homsexual and transexual victim groups – meanwhile they both belong in a mental institution, if not prison.

Seven Seas on December 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM

Do you seriously think that all gay and transgendered people should be locked up in an institution or prison? Seriously?

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 2:34 PM

If found guilty he should be hanged. Although he may have concluded that our elected officials seem to ignore the oath each of them takes, and they get away with it. They all should meet the same fate.

Wikileaks on the other hand did nothing more than the Times has done in the past by printing what was given to them, or for that matter what just about any left wing MSM outlet has done and scream First amendment when challenged.

1791 on December 18, 2011 at 2:34 PM

Add “unhappy childhood” and he could end up with a total of…2 years of unsupervised probation?

eeyore on December 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Soooo, his defense is “being gay made me do it”? Interesting.

Doesn’t really help the gay agenda, it just reinforces the stereotype that homosexuality is a mental defect/disease…like schizophrenia.

ramrants on December 18, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Gender issues? How about loyalty issues.

And another thing. If that is his defense, doesn’t it do more damage than good for his cause? Is that really a road he wants to go down and give his detractors and all those opposed to the social engineering being forced on the armed services the ability to say “told ya so?”

av8tr on December 18, 2011 at 2:37 PM

So what.

jeanie on December 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Manning’s problem is that he thinks he’s a fucking genius and knows better than anyone else.

Put his ass in prison for the rest of his miserable life. He’ll be right at home.

GarandFan on December 18, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Hang him with a lavender rope.

mbecker908 on December 18, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Saw the headline, wasn’t surprised.

Mr. Prodigy on December 18, 2011 at 2:40 PM

so why join?

OldEnglish on December 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM

To undermine the US. military and everything it represents? Nice to see he was able to think of an appropriate venue to get the information out to the masses that the US. government could do nothing to stop.

heshtesh on December 18, 2011 at 2:40 PM

The defence says Pte Manning was suffering from stress, as a homosexual soldier at a time when soldiers in the US military could not be open about their sexuality – under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, which has since been repealed by US President Barack Obama.

…which Bradley Manning knew all about when he enlisted – so boo hoo.

When are we going to start expecting people to be responsible for their own choices?

capitalist piglet on December 18, 2011 at 2:41 PM

I held a secret clearence as a security specialist at a SAC missile base, while there was nothing then like the ease of computer access now, the penalty for disclosing classified material was well known. SAC was nothing if not deadly serious about nuclear security. Why we had the signs posted, “Use of deadly force is authorized.” at the entry points.

There is no way you could ever convince me death or a life at hard labor isn’t his due reward. I’m not feeling much pity here, he could have gotten himself relieved of duty, but his desire to be a petty little rat overwhelmed his sense of duty, (if he ever had one).

I’d not feel a thing if he were hanged.

He earned that when he decided to risk so many lives because he was having a hissy fit…. sitting on a bullseye when we went to DEFCON 4 the night President Reagan was shot, THAT was high stress.. we were young too, serving in a command where anything short of perfection was unacceptable.

nope,… no sympathy here…

mark81150 on December 18, 2011 at 2:42 PM

I separated earlier this month after 12 years. I found the military to be comprised of the greatest people on the planet and lowlife, incompetent scum bags, with a politicalized promotion system that favored the scum bags.

vermin on December 18, 2011 at 2:29 PM

I’d be interested in hearing your views on the current state of PC indoctrination in the military. It’s hard to get past the official propaganda wall. What service were you in?

I left the Army 20 years ago–12B Combat Engineer, 1st Armd and 101st AB.

spiritof61 on December 18, 2011 at 2:45 PM

There is no way you could ever convince me death or a life at hard labor isn’t his due reward. I’m not feeling much pity here, he could have gotten himself relieved of duty, but his desire to be a petty little rat overwhelmed his sense of duty, (if he ever had one).

mark81150 on December 18, 2011 at 2:42 PM

Yep, he had plenty of opportunity to do otherwise. He should be made into an example.

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 2:49 PM

I guess we should call him-her BRADLEY WOMANNING

Jack Bauer on December 18, 2011 at 2:50 PM

Didn’t he get pissed off when he couldn’t bring a transgender gf on base for a dance?

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Don’t ask.
Don’t tell.
Life without parole.

crash72 on December 18, 2011 at 2:51 PM

GOProud hardest hit.

BKeyser on December 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM

This is damned insulting. NO ONE in this group would condone what Manning has done and many would like to see him hang from a noose, after tar and feathering and perhaps dislocation of kneecaps

(Not sure why “transgender” is even identified with the gay community. And no, I don’t need it explained to me. MANY of us feel it is in no way, shape or form part of the gay community.)

mimi1220 on December 18, 2011 at 2:52 PM

“How do you plead…?”

“Teh Ghey…!”

Seven Percent Solution on December 18, 2011 at 2:52 PM

When I was in the military, the “guy” would never have been granted a security clearance and the backgroung check for one would have exposed him. He would have been discharged real quick. The military is not a social experiment.

What will they do when a soldier applies for an allotment for their same sex spouse?

~growl

growl on December 18, 2011 at 2:54 PM

It wold be interesting to see how a jury of gay soldiers would judge an other gay soldier who had done so much to make life harder for gay soldiers by claiming his crime was not his fault because he was a gay soldier.

Don’t be so quick to think that homosexuals won’t be sympathetic. America has a victim complex. O.J. Simpson got off simply because “it is hard to be a black man in America and police Must have had it out for him.” Don’t be so quick to think that Mannign wouldn’t be a sympathetic character to homosexuals many who ALWAYS think they are being victimized, and their pain is so much greater than the average person.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Sounds eerily reminiscent of the excuses that oozed about from the military after whats-his-name shot up Fort Hood. This soldier’s commanders knew he was screwed and that ‘gender issues’ were part of the problem but being all politically correct, didn’t want to cause a ruckus by demoting or booting him.

ProfessorMiao on December 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Yep. PC affecting career movement of those higher in the chain of command is very corrosive to the health of any organization.

a capella on December 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM

The liberal morons [I know, that's redundant] in my area think Mr. Manning is a hero.

Urban Infidel on December 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM

This Sally did his damage just as I was getting ready to MOB for my last deployment. Thankfully the most useful intel unit S-2 delivers in theater isn’t US sourced (think about it…). And all of this drama queen crap is just for the press- this jackasses** is toast at the tribunal.

What I want is a spotter with his peepers on Assange.

M240H on December 18, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Don’t be so quick to think that homosexuals won’t be sympathetic. America has a victim complex. O.J. Simpson got off simply because “it is hard to be a black man in America and police Must have had it out for him.” Don’t be so quick to think that Mannign wouldn’t be a sympathetic character to homosexuals many who ALWAYS think they are being victimized, and their pain is so much greater than the average person.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 2:56 PM

You have got to be kidding.

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Social engineering and political correctness has ruined the greatest military in the world…hope we don,t have to
fight the Chinese in a conventional war.

rich8450 on December 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM

NO ONE in this group would condone what Manning has done and many would like to see him hang from a noose, after tar and feathering and perhaps dislocation of kneecaps

mimi1220 on December 18, 2011 at 2:52 PM

It is a safe bet that virtually all gay conservatives feel this way. Gay liberals may not, but that’s because they are liberal, not because they are gay.

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM

You have got to be kidding

No I am not kidding.. Victim groups and special interest groups generally act like the victim could never do anything wrong, hence why they are called a victim.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 3:03 PM

spiritof61 on December 18, 2011 at 2:45 PM

Thanks for your interest. I was in a Marine infantryman from 1998 to 2002. Then a Navy Hospital Corpsman from 2002 until earlier this month assigned to a Marine infantry company (as a reservist, but with two deployments). The short answer to your question is that it’s nearly absolute and completely absurd. As a rhetorical illustration of my position, I think a large portion of our leadership was genuinely suprised that “diversity” didn’t unilaterally defeat the attacks on September 11th. Despite what the current Cheif of Naval Operations claims, diversity does not “assure victory.” Nothing does. Capable fighting forces make victory more likely, and we’ve put the nonsensical goal of diversity ahead of being capable.

vermin on December 18, 2011 at 3:04 PM

I wonder where they will house him? The disciplinary barracks are separate from the federal prison. I don’t think they have a gay unit there.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 2:31 PM

I’m pretty sure that a person cannot be housed in a federal prison unless the person was convicted in a federal court. It’s the disciplinary barracks for him. Maybe they’ll teach him to name all the dots on the ceiling in his cell and call them all out for formation every morning.

If he fails, hand him a toothbrush and make him scrub the shower room floor.

platypus on December 18, 2011 at 3:05 PM

Gay liberals may not, but that’s because they are liberal, not because they are gay.

And yet you didn’t like my statement. Which party do gays mostly vote? And yes, a gay liberal would be sympathetic to someone he thinks is a victim of discrimination, especially if it is a discrimination they think themselves had suffered. It is the same mentality that the black community has against cops. Discrimination is used to justify a lot of actions.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Thanks for your interest. I was in a Marine infantryman from 1998 to 2002. Then a Navy Hospital Corpsman from 2002 until earlier this month assigned to a Marine infantry company (as a reservist, but with two deployments). The short answer to your question is that it’s nearly absolute and completely absurd. As a rhetorical illustration of my position, I think a large portion of our leadership was genuinely suprised that “diversity” didn’t unilaterally defeat the attacks on September 11th. Despite what the current Cheif of Naval Operations claims, diversity does not “assure victory.” Nothing does. Capable fighting forces make victory more likely, and we’ve put the nonsensical goal of diversity ahead of being capable.

vermin on December 18, 2011 at 3:04 PM

I was afraid you would say that–it agrees with what I have been hearing, from a group of ex-Navy Chiefs and Army NCOs I know who couldn’t stomach the multi-culti PC crapola they were ordered to uphold and took off. It was mostly about women; when the Obama Gay is Okay campaign began, and the Hasan incident showed the rottenness within, they just left. They never objected to the ever-growing presence of women. It was the constant pressure from above to lie and say that they were wonderful and essential to the mission that they couldn’t take. They were and are unanimous that it is a poisonous atmosphere now. The only relief, according to them, is in actual combat units facing enemy fire…which the PC cadets tend to avoid, strangely enough.

Thanks for your service, Vermin. Your handle belies your good sense. Semper Fi.

spiritof61 on December 18, 2011 at 3:19 PM

The soldier had also reportedly assaulted a superior, turned over a table, damaged a computer and on another occasion was found “curled up in a ball”…

Wish I were back stationed at Ft. Meade. Pvt. Boyning looks all of five foot, three and 130 lbs. on his tallest, fattest day. Sgt. Vulcha would have given him a good, old school Military Beatdown.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on December 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM

As a former Marine, I must say that I havd always been stunned by the fact that this little douche even had ACCESS to any of that material. What exactly are the Army standards for the personnel that handle sensitive info? I can’t imagine he was much of a stellar performer to begin with.

And as to his current argument, fine, I’ll stipulate. Hang him both. Sick little weasel.

a5minmajor on December 18, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I know who couldn’t stomach the multi-culti PC crapola they were ordered to uphold and took off. It was mostly about women; when the Obama Gay is Okay campaign began, and the Hasan incident showed the rottenness within, they just left.

Yep, my husband put his retirement in this year, because of this. Having gone thru the whole Clinton admin that pushed the PC “can’t carry an umbrella because it looks phallic and might be used as a tool as sexual harrassment” BS.. He just decided it was no longer worth it.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 3:24 PM

Bradley MannWomanning and its defense team have an incredably
long excuse list.
Really does not matter if your white, green, black or blue. tri-sexual,bi-sexual,some-sexual or no-sexual. You weren’t drafted, you volunteered, took an oath that you betrayed,
“Twinkles Down”

Hipshot on December 18, 2011 at 3:26 PM

This scumbag traitor vividly demonstrates sexual deviancy has NO PLACE in our military!

Homosexual Soldiers a Security Risk http://bit.ly/egZ6xl

KICK ALL THE PSYCHOTICS OUT!

Winghunter on December 18, 2011 at 3:27 PM

So are they trying to say being gay is like being a liberal and that there both mental defects?

angrymike on December 18, 2011 at 3:29 PM

I have gender issues also: I’m a bachelor.

Amendment X on December 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM

And yet you didn’t like my statement. Which party do gays mostly vote? And yes, a gay liberal would be sympathetic to someone he thinks is a victim of discrimination, especially if it is a discrimination they think themselves had suffered. It is the same mentality that the black community has against cops. Discrimination is used to justify a lot of actions.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 3:12 PM

A jury made up of gays or blacks or another minority group in a general criminal case involving a member of the same minority group is not the same as a group of gay soldiers determining the fate of a treasonous gay soldier. That was a crucial part of that person’s comment.

How many gay, woe-is-I liberals do you really think are signing up to join a volunteer military? Yes, there are definitely people who lean left who serve in our military, but you won’t find that many who would excuse something like this for any reason.

I have a few friends who are gay and have served. They come from traditional backgrounds and families with a military tradition. They all agree Manning is scum. I am confident that an all-gay military jury like in the unrealistic hypothetical that people are discussing here would want to see the guy executed if that were an option.

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM

He is a traitor. Pure and simple. Regardless of his own personal problem(s).

FlatFoot on December 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Let’s see, the Walkers (Navy)did it for money and they went to jail. SFC Conrad (8thID) did it for money and he went to jail, although he got out early. Still not sure why the SP4 from the 11th ACR went over to the East Germans with the V Corps GDP, but he went to jail. I don’t care if Manning did it for love or money, he needs to jail, too. For a long time.

CC Senor on December 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Officers playing CYA isn’t new, President Lincoln could give chapter and verse on that. Officers with combat command experience to my knowledge historically have been sidelined by logistics types with a political agenda and no real world experience. Ignored so the ladder climbers could retire with that extra star. No matter how badly they serve the country.

I wish it weren’t that way,. God, I wish it weren’t.

mark81150 on December 18, 2011 at 3:35 PM

He leaked, she leaked

:)
good one Mr Shaw

burrata on December 18, 2011 at 3:37 PM

spiritof61 on December 18, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Thanks, you too. An aside: I took my screen name from Vermin Mccann, a rat in a Dropkick Murphys song who drowns in a vat of Guiness.

vermin on December 18, 2011 at 3:37 PM

@angrymike

That’s EXACTLY right.

Forensic Psychiatrist Explains the Madness of (Modern) Liberalism http://t.co/zoDKXZt

Winghunter on December 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM

McDuck on December 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM

I am glad you have faith. I generally don’t. Dan Choi, the poster boy for the repeal of DADT has come out in defense of Manning.

melle1228 on December 18, 2011 at 3:38 PM

IIRC, transgendered people, per se, have no more psychological problems than normal folk. They tend to be ‘normal’ people with a body problem, making due allowance for the frustration that involves.

PersonFromPorlock on December 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Look at what’s going on;

Activists in New Gay Military Now Demand Cross Dressing Rights http://bit.ly/qAJEak

DADT Repealed but the Lefts War to Politicize the Military Continues http://bit.ly/p83Wm1

Deviant magazine to be distributed to military ‘free of charge’ http://bit.ly/nOFOJQ

Sexual deviant magazine to be distributed to military ‘free of charge’ http://bit.ly/nOFOJQ

Winghunter on December 18, 2011 at 3:42 PM

I don’t know too much about military justice etc, but I have a question :
If Bradley Manning had been a straight person, and commited the same (alleged) crime, what would have been his punishment then ?

burrata on December 18, 2011 at 3:46 PM

A brief history…

Homosexuality is defined in the West as a Mental Illness for much of the 20th century.

NO…It’s a Lifestyle Choice

NO…Gay’s are Born that Way

Is there a Gay Gene?

No…It’s a LifeStyle Choice & Stop the Persecution!

Gays demand the right to adopt children NOW!

Turkey Baster sales skyrocket?

Gays Demand Civil Partnerships NOW!

No…Gay Marriage Now!

Gay Heroes History taught in public schools Now!

Stop Bullying Gay Kids!

Sex Reassignment Rights for Kids!

Repeal DADT NOW!

Bradley Manning Defense: Treason Due to Mental Illness of Being Gay

*facepalm*

workingclass artist on December 18, 2011 at 3:47 PM

These folks want to unionize the US Military

http://www.military.com/veteran-jobs/content/career-advice/on-the-job/jobs-and-union-organizing.html

workingclass artist on December 18, 2011 at 3:50 PM

IIRC, transgendered people, per se, have no more psychological problems than normal folk. They tend to be ‘normal’ people with a body problem, making due allowance for the frustration that involves.

PersonFromPorlock on December 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM

That’s not true.

Blake on December 18, 2011 at 3:53 PM

growl on December 18, 2011 at 2:54 PM

Lawsuit aleady filed in federal court in Boston.

workingclass artist on December 18, 2011 at 3:53 PM

PersonFromPorlock on December 18, 2011 at 3:39 PM

Suicide rate pre-op & post-op is high.

workingclass artist on December 18, 2011 at 3:55 PM

He’s just trying to get housed with the female prisioners. He’s probably not as gay as he says.

bernverdnardo1 on December 18, 2011 at 3:56 PM

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