Rush: Remember when National Review was the voice of conservatism?
posted at 11:35 am on December 16, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
CNS News catches Rush Limbaugh in a reflective mood yesterday after National Review’s anyone-but-Newt-or-Perry editorial earlier this week. Instead of railing about the attack on two of the Republican candidates in the field, Rush muses on how little influence NR has these days, and how it’s much more the voice of Beltway Republicanism than actual conservatism, and questioned whether it has any real impact at all anymore:
“National Review used to, indisputably, it was the voice of conservatism. There was no question. Now, it’s not so much that, as it is the voice of Republicanism, which could also be said to be the inside the beltway or Washington-New York conservatism.” …
Limbaugh began the segment by debating whether or not he should be discussing the op-ed because of his uncertainty as to the influence of National Review in today’s media:
“So I wasn’t going to really talk about it (the Op-Ed) because I’m not convinced that it (National Review) has that much impact. … They’ve got great people there; there’s some nice people. But it’s changed a bit from what it was.”
Actually, I think it was more the voice of conservative fusion than the voice of conservatism. Buckley’s brilliance didn’t just manifest itself in a certain brand of conservatism, but uniting all of the brands into one movement, and putting NR at the front of that movement. The movement and the instruments for communicating it have changed in the decades that have gone by since Buckley’s fusion, and Limbaugh himself is one of the best assets to arise from the evolution of both. However, I think NR still has a leadership position in that fusion, and it still has a great deal of impact among conservatives of many stripes — even when the editors get something wrong, as I also think they did in that editorial.
Jonah Goldberg addresses the anger among conservatives in a piece at The Corner today:
I recognize that feelings are running hot about NR’s editorial. I have no desire to lend support to some of the overheated charges being hurled at NR — including from some of our longtime friends. So I will simply say that I don’t see perfectly eye-to-eye with it myself. But that’s often the case with NR editorials. Indeed, it’s the nature of editorials. Perhaps because I know and respect my colleagues, I see no need to attack their motives nor would it occur to me to question their commitment to conservative principles. Did we get this one wrong? It’s perfectly reasonable for some to think so. It’s certainly happened before. Indeed some of the criticisms strike me as entirely fair — why not just endorse Romney if it’s a two man race? Why even consider Huntsman? etc — and there are fair rebuttals to them as well. I will let the editorial speak for itself in that regard.
Now on to some of the unfair, hyperbolic and just plain weird charges.
First of all, what is with this complaint that we are trying to “dictate” who people vote for? I don’t get it. We are, as always, an opinion magazine sharing our opinion. It is not binding.
More substantially, the notion that NR isn’t a conservative magazine anymore (a charge our friend Rush Limbaugh seems to be flirting with these days) or that William F. Buckley would be “appalled” (in Brent Bozell’s words) is just so much nonsense. Under William F. Buckley National Review made many questionable endorsements — a point he would happily concede. NR endorsed no one in 1960 — neither Nixon nor Goldwater. There were heated arguments on every side of that decision. In 1968 the magazine endorsed a much more liberal Nixon (to the considerable dismay of Bill Rusher). In 1971, National Review “suspended support for Richard Nixon.” In 1972 we endorsed the great John Ashbrook for president. In 1973 we essentially endorsed Spiro Agnew for president, even as George Will was savaging him in the same magazine, indeed, the same issue (largely prompting Stan Evans to quit the magazine, I believe). In 1980, WFB kept the magazine from endorsing Reagan (Bill loved the Gipper but had grave concerns about his age). We endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008, for many of the same reasons some of our biggest detractors today did — to stop John McCain.
The Corner has actually had a robust debate over the editorial all week, which lends some support that NR still represents a focal point for conservative dialogue. If they’ve gotten a few things wrong over the years (and I’d count this editorial among those), it still has a great record of getting things right — and providing a platform for the great, sweeping, and diverse community of conservatives. There is a lot of value in that still, even if it may be hard to discern at times during presidential primaries.
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That may be true, but you’re a damn poor conservative Fatty McFatty.
NotCoach on May 10, 2013 at 1:21 PM
But he’s an even better Democrat.
Liam on May 10, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Damn svelte, too.
Christien on May 10, 2013 at 1:23 PM
Maybe B.O. will endorse him. The picture of them as best buds after the hurricane was sorta like Laurel & Hardy.
3dpuzzman on May 10, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Note to Christie:
Republican doesn’t equal Conservative.
I hate Republicans, as much as I do those in the Communist Party.
Why?
Because both sets of political pigs in perpetuity work to dictate to us – and, sometimes, they do so hand-in-hand.
The only thing that they disagree on, is who should be doing the dictating.
You are not a Conservative, I am … so F you.
OhEssYouCowboys on May 10, 2013 at 1:27 PM
We know he’s got some special luv for Kenyans.
a capella on May 10, 2013 at 1:27 PM
“I am a damn good Republican…. for a liberal, east coast, country clubber.”
Warner Todd Huston on May 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM
That’s the problem. We need a conservative and he clings to politics as usual.
DanMan on May 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Freudian slip.
Why does he feel condemned?
itsnotaboutme on May 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Yeah, he’s a Republican like Spector and McCain. Mark my words – he will run as VP with Clinton at the top of the ticket.
NotEasilyFooled on May 10, 2013 at 1:29 PM
It’s good to see him slimmed down to a good fighting weight.
portlandon on May 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Chris Christie: “I’m a damn good Republican”Chris Christie: “I’m a damn good
Republican”competitive eater.Gatsu on May 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM
I still don’t think he runs, but I wonder where party stalwarts would fall if both he and Rubio do. You also have the possibility of of Rubio, Paul, and someone else (Cruz, maybe) splitting up the vote to allow Christie to grab it.
changer1701 on May 10, 2013 at 1:30 PM
The only thing he has done is tell the teachers that NJ is out of money, that is not conservative. He is a progressive “big” gov’t guy.
tim c on May 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Well, by today’s standards, maybe, quite possible.
But…a Conservative?
Not even close.
[Stylistic change for you, Governor: "Damn good Republican" should read "G*d Damned Republican."]
coldwarrior on May 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Funny, but totally appropriate background on the photo.
coldwarrior on May 10, 2013 at 1:34 PM
I have a feeling that he got the lap band done so that he could look attractive to Bruce Springsteen.
GhoulAid on May 10, 2013 at 1:35 PM
And Pelosi/Biden are good Catholics.
RickB on May 10, 2013 at 1:37 PM
Oh, no you are not! You are not even a good American, after that kiss a$$
performance of yours with President Obama right before the 2012 election.
Amjean on May 10, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I’m still guessing that if he runs it will be as a third-party candidate. Too squishy on social issues to attract Republicans. Not enough of a spendthrift to attract Dems. But he could well attract enough stupid people to make it a successful run.
Happy Nomad on May 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM
Yeah, but you’re not a good conservative.
phatfawzi on May 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM
At least he’s honest.
GarandFan on May 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Hey Jerk from New Jersey: Good luck winning over that base.
beatcanvas on May 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM
And Benedict Arnold was a damned good American…
voiceofreason on May 10, 2013 at 1:43 PM
That’s the problem.
rogerb on May 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM
If you have to say it out loud…..?
Delsa on May 10, 2013 at 1:46 PM
Has he won Ann Coulter back yet? Whatever Christie’s saying now, that lap band thing might be a deal breaker for Ann.
jon1979 on May 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM
So what does that say for the standards of the Republican party?
dentarthurdent on May 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM
He is, duhhhh.
So are McCain, Rubio, Flake and Toomey.
Schadenfreude on May 10, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Over in NJ 13 we’re going to give Christie’s machine a run for its money. In spite of a “no challenges” edict quietly handed down, Republicans for Conservative Leadership is primarying several of the entrenched lifers in State and County government. The PJ Tatler reporter on the top of the ticket, Leigh-Ann Bellew, on April 29.
These are people to support.
njcommuter on May 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM
FIFY
Ace ODale on May 10, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Gov. Christie is a good Republican–for New Jersey. His willingness to impose fiscal discipline was a welcome change from Lost-a-Billion Corzine and Gay American McGreevy, so he gets support from lots of independent, persuadable voters in New Jersey, where his brash speaking style fits in with the mindset of most New Jersey voters.
Gov. Christie is not a good Republican candidate for President. To win the Presidency, a candidate must win states like Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Colorado, where voters are more conservative, and might be turned off by Christie’s bluntness, where Scott Walker’s policies and speaking style would be better appreciated. I’m not saying that Scott Walker is our best candidate in 2016 (lots of things can happen between now and then), but Christie should focus on his state, not the Presidency.
Steve Z on May 10, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Apparently the lap band is restricting blood flow to the brain.
DDay on May 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM
Speaking of Rubio…
Do you know who is behind Americans for Conservative Direction? They are running ads in Chicago.
http://www.americansforaconservativedirection.com/
Huh.
Fallon on May 10, 2013 at 2:00 PM
THREAD WINNER LMAO!
ToddPA on May 10, 2013 at 2:01 PM
He looks like he ate a good Republican.
SurferDoc on May 10, 2013 at 2:01 PM
‘… and I’m smart enough, and rich enough… and, darn it, people like me.’
Chris Stewart Smalley Christie
thatsafactjack on May 10, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Wellll – supposedly, you are what you eat…../
dentarthurdent on May 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM
That’s a damn good chair!
revolutionismyname on May 10, 2013 at 2:04 PM
LOL
My new vote for threadwinner.
dentarthurdent on May 10, 2013 at 2:06 PM
Nah, you’re a democrat. If you run for president you will lose.
dogsoldier on May 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Yeah, no. You’re about as republican as Charlie Crist and Michael Bloomberg and look how THAT turned out.
Unfortunately, he will probably still be a front runner for 2016 if the pattern holds.
AllahsNippleHair on May 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Chris Christie: “I’m a damn good Republican”
AHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. AHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Compared to who?
PappyD61 on May 10, 2013 at 2:09 PM
“I’m a damned good Republican” belongs in the history books alongside “I am not a crook!”
The extra mileage by blustering bullyism is astounding!
Don L on May 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM
Alright, I’ll be the buzzkill…
I would not likely support a national candidacy for Mr Christie if one viable conservative were to run against him, but lets leave the “jokes” about his weight to the people I would expect that from, the Left.
jjjdad on May 10, 2013 at 2:12 PM
JohnGalt23: No, you’re not.
And it pains me to say that to a fellow Blue Hen…
JohnGalt23 on May 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Sadly, when he runs as the darling of the elites, there will be minions here chanting the old, “But the other side will win if you stay home” BS.
Don L on May 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM
You’re doing a good job in NJ. Stay a while and keep making them more financially stable. You won’t appeal to anyone outside of the tri-state area, and even they will vote for the declared Democrat instead of the Democrat-lite.
DrAllecon on May 10, 2013 at 2:15 PM
Chris Christie: “I’m a damn good Republican”
Yes, if you happen to be a liberal Democrat than Chris Christie is a a “damn good Republican”.
From Allahpundit at Hot Air on February 19, 2013:
Chris Christie: I agree with Andrew Cuomo on probably 98% of the issues
RJL on May 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM
If we’re talking about The Stupid Party which is full of RINOs… then yes, he is a “good” Republican.
Ukiah on May 10, 2013 at 2:17 PM
Dream on Chris,possibly more like a Progressive Republican Statist ?
Sandybourne on May 10, 2013 at 2:18 PM
With Rubio…. Or shudders… Jeb Bush…. Christie’s main crime is against the establishment Republicans who he gleefully threw under the bus in October.
Illinidiva on May 10, 2013 at 2:21 PM
Rubio threw the tea party, and other conservatives that helped get him elected, under the bus for John McCain and illegal aliens, so there’s that.
AllahsNippleHair on May 10, 2013 at 2:26 PM
And soon to be an even better Democrat.
albill on May 10, 2013 at 2:27 PM
You’re damned. That’s for sure.
LOL. You spent your time holding hands with the biggest enemy that America has ever faced – during the last week of the friggin election. You are scum – a lowlife, despicable scumbag.
Christie the Vichy. Not only would I not vote for you, I would never vote for anyone even remotely connected to you.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 10, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Christie’s main crime was allying himself with the most anti-American sack of sh!t America has ever had to face. Christsie is the lowest of slime and a traitor of the highest order.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 10, 2013 at 2:30 PM
By East Coast standards Cristie may be a good Republican. I just wish people would stop trying to sell him as a Conservative. He may have some conservative positions but IMO he is a regular Republican who would throw the Right wing of the GOP under the bus if he was sure he could attract more Independents.
katiejane on May 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM
the first two comments covered it for me, thanks guys.
Don’t want to be a fat man,
People would think that I was
Just good fun.
Would rather be a thin man,
I am so glad to go on being one.
Too much to carry around with you,
No chance of finding a woman who
Will love you in the morning and all the night time too.
- Jethro Tull
kirkill on May 10, 2013 at 2:32 PM
Somewhat OT, but Rubio keeps getting brought up.
The Rubio immigration ad is being played over and over during Rush.
http://www.americansforaconservativedirection.com/
Is it playing in other markets or just Chicago?
Fallon on May 10, 2013 at 2:33 PM
I guarantee he doesn’t run, he probably rarely walks… ;-)
kirkill on May 10, 2013 at 2:35 PM
Maggie Thatcher: “If you have to remind people you are, you aren’t.”
s_dog on May 10, 2013 at 2:36 PM
We see what you did there, Erika
CycloneCDB on May 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Fab establishment representative.
Amaze us with your undying paternalism!
tom daschle concerned on May 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM
Christi/Rubio 2016 on the Green ticket.
crash72 on May 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM
I got it here in Dallas. I found it creepy.
It’s good to see that the GOP isn’t letting the Dems corner the market on government propaganda.
CycloneCDB on May 10, 2013 at 2:38 PM
“But that does not mean that I would ever put a party before my state or a party before my country.” – Christie
That’s because he’s a total progressive, and it’s all about bigger, bigger Fed G’vt. Spend like you are at an all you can eat buffet!
Nice how it’s in front of a Clam Bar/Steak House/Pizza joint!
kirkill on May 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Besides, what’s he doing to expand conservatism throughout the state? A good leader not only leads, but he builds the structure of the organization to succeed him. Are Republicans winning lower level offices in NJ? Are they taking over county seats, town seats, and the legislature? Is the state turning purple? Its not enough to win elections. We have to hold the offices through the cycles, to implement lasting change.
And its not just Christie. Is Jindal doing this? Perry? In NY we saw Pataki and Guilliani did nothing to expand conservatism or Republicans in the state, and after they were gone, the libs just moved right back in.
Iblis on May 10, 2013 at 2:42 PM
If he’s the nominee, I ain’t voting for him. The Democrats could run Jane Fu**in’ Fonda and the ghost of Ho Chi Minh and I still ain’t voting for him.
And fu** you, Republicans. Wake up and smell the the already stale disgust.
M240H on May 10, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Thanks. I found it creepy, too.
Fallon on May 10, 2013 at 2:48 PM
The traitor doth protest too much, methinks.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Throw your fellow R’s under the bus a few more times so we can be sure.
LetsBfrank on May 10, 2013 at 3:33 PM
By who’s standards? moobama?
has anyone else noticed that Cristie’s fall from grace coincides with the demise of the Twinkie.
jomondo44 on May 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM
Yeah they’re playing that nonsense during Rush here in NW Oregon. Several times today and earlier in the week. I thought it was some Rush parody first time I heard it. Rubio is a joke. The national convention last year telegraphed how the GOP was going to treat conservatives/tea party and anyone not dancing a beltway tune.
oryguncon on May 10, 2013 at 4:38 PM
RINO christie wouldn’t know a real Republican if he accidentally sat on him with his fat-A.
RINO christie wouldn’t know a real Republican if he mistakenly ate him for a snack between snacks.
TeaPartyNation on May 10, 2013 at 5:32 PM
You maybe a good Repub- but you still won’t get my vote if your nominated for the POTUS
hawkman on May 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Translation: I am a damn good Centrist/Democrat. I am willing to throw The Republicans under the bus if it means winning the Presidency.”
Theophile on May 10, 2013 at 9:44 PM
What a load of crap!!! the only thing is a good RINO
grapeknutz on May 11, 2013 at 3:54 PM