Ron Paul: I’m not sure I’ll hold up during a long primary

posted at 4:54 pm on December 14, 2011 by Allahpundit

In case undecideds had forgotten that Paul’s a year older than John McCain, here he is inexplicably reminding them of that fact.

Points for candor?

Ron Paul questioned Wednesday whether he would be able to endure a protracted fight for the Republican presidential nomination, wondering to reporters if he would be able to “hold up” through a long primary battle.

“I’m not looking forward to anything being long and protracted. So I hope it ends rather quickly and we do real well in the beginning of the year,” Paul said while campaigning in New Hampshire, according to CNN. “The organization is fantastic. The question is: am I going to hold up if I keep doing all this.”

Paul’s chance to make serious waves in the campaign may be predicated on a long primary process in which he can tap into his substantial war chest and organizational prowess. Unlike the insurgent Gingrich, who has had little time to build a ground game or collect donations since catapulting to the top of the GOP race, Paul has steadily built his financial reserves.

It’d be fun to game out what would happen if Paul shocked Gingrich in Iowa and then rode the momentum to an upset in New Hampshire. The odds of that are very small but not quite zero; the odds of the rest of the field giving up after the early primaries, no matter how well Paul does, really are zero because both Gingrich and Romney know that the Republican establishment will rally behind one of them in a panic to stop Paul. But which one? Presumably it’d be Mitt because he’s best prepared financially and organizationally to carry on a long war with Paul and polls better head to head against Obama than Newt does, but maybe it would depend on how they fare in South Carolina and Florida. If mainstream Republican voters started lining up behind Gingrich as the anti-Paul, why would the party risk alienating them by pushing Romney instead? The real risk is that is the late scramble among conservative leaders and outside groups to push Gingrich or Romney over Paul would hopelessly alienate the Paul supporters, and they’d either vote third-party or stay home in November. (Supposedly, Gary Johnson’s set to switch to the Libertarian Party tomorrow.) Then again, many of them are no doubt planning to do that anyway.

I’m curious now to see if Paul’s allusion to his age will become an issue in the last week before the caucuses if he’s leading or close to the top. It’d be a risky attack, but remember that the fuel for Gingrich’s lift-off is conservatives’ belief that he’d dominate Obama in the debates. The base rightly expects a long, brutal campaign and they want a warrior who’s equal to the task, and here’s Ron Paul telling them that endurance is an issue. If a long primary is too taxing, what would a presidential term be like? Exit question one: Can anyone imagine Rand Paul saying something this damaging to his own candidacy? He’s simply a better retail politician, the occasional ad lib about the possible unconstitutionality of the Civil Rights Act notwithstanding. Exit question two: Would there be any unintended consequences of a protest vote for Paul in Iowa, even if he’s guaranteed not to win the nomination? Think carefully.

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Paul has benefitted by being considered unlikely to get the nomination, and is making superb use of this. I think his comments are designed to keep his opponents believing he is still weak when he is not.

love2rumba on December 14, 2011 at 9:06 PM

I am all for a strong defense and I believe that Ron Paul is as well. Just not a strong offense and spending all of our treasure nation building and building Mosques. Ron will defend our country if needed and will secure our borders. He will cut one trillion from the budget in the first year. He would return power back to the states which is the real issue of our day.

Little r on December 14, 2011 at 9:11 PM

I guess if young and strapping is the criteria, Huntsman’s it. Wait, wasn’t infidel libertarian Gary Johnson a marathon runner?

TXGOP on December 14, 2011 at 8:34 PM

And a mountain climber.

JohnGalt23 on December 14, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Dante on December 14, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Troll harder, paulnutz

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 9:37 PM

Dante on December 14, 2011 at 8:37 PM

fish, meet barrel.

lulz! paulnutz are moar fun than palinistas

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Yeah. Unfortunately, after Ron Paul, they’ve got nobody else to support. Not even Ron Paul, who just isn’t nutty enough for their liking?

The Nerve on December 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM

The Nerve on December 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM

Er, Rand Paul. The senate-elected son of Ron Paul.

The Nerve on December 14, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Everyone on the left said Ronald Reagan was too old as well. Old is ok by me… It is how one becomes wise.

Little r on December 14, 2011 at 9:05 PM

There is no comparison between Ronaldus Maximus and Paul.

While Reagan was fighting the Soviets, where did Paul stand on it?

Paul’s foreign policy is a danger to all Americans. Offer Iran friendship??? Seriously?

LevinFan on December 14, 2011 at 10:14 PM

The retirement of Ron Paul might be the best thing for the Libertarian Party. If they can come up with a leader with some charisma, and without Ron Paul’s nutty anti-semitism and conspiracy theories, they might actually grow the party. The party deserves a better shot than they will ever get with RP.

slickwillie2001 on December 14, 2011 at 10:28 PM

If you’re looking for a dishonest, plastic politician then you won’t like Paul. Although I’m not 100% sure he meant to suggest he can’t keep campaigning. I think he was talking about the money, the ads and whatnot. But I could be wrong.

Ron’s probably in better shape than the hefty Gingrich. Ron’s probably in better shape than I am and I’m in my early 30′s. So, not sure I care about this.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 14, 2011 at 10:56 PM

Just bug off, you Lew Rockwell stooge. I’m sorry to be so direct, but really, you are NOT a Republican and never have been. You are an egotistical, America-trashing loon of the far, far Left. Get the hell out of my party

minnesoter on December 14, 2011 at 11:00 PM

Americans are looking for a conservative. Ron Paul is not only conservative in the usual fiscal ways, he’s conservative in his views of how much the military should be used, and he’s conservative in how many rules people should be forced to live under. Vote for the only true conservative in the race–Ron Paul.

Brikony on December 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM

Ron’s probably in better shape than the hefty Gingrich. Ron’s probably in better shape than I am and I’m in my early 30′s. So, not sure I care about this.

The man is a pencil-necked turkey. And you, I regret to say, are a flabby-chested, brain-dead drone.

Sorry to be so brutal, but I am so sick of Ron Paul automatons I could puke.

minnesoter on December 14, 2011 at 11:05 PM

I really enjoy the drive-by campaign commercials like the one above.

Make me laugh every time.

catmman on December 14, 2011 at 11:15 PM

It’s irresponsible to be running if you think you can’t hold up during a long primary. You think the general election’s going to be a walk in the park? 10 months of a billion dollar ad blitz against you is going to be brutal.

John_Locke on December 14, 2011 at 5:00 PM

How can being President of the free world be any easier than a year long campaign? And that is in a “normal” term. This next President will have to reverse everything Obama-Pelosi-Reid did to us.

cptacek on December 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM

REALLY!!!???? And he wants to be president? This is probably the oddest thing I’ve heard him say since…well…ever

Tomolena1 on December 14, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Oops, beat me to it :)

cptacek on December 14, 2011 at 11:28 PM

Uh oh, seems I am coming to the ‘party’ a little late N’est pas?

Hmmmm, all of this nasty back and forth over Ron Paul… Mind your manners folks.

There isn’t a darn thing wrong with RP! There is how ever plenty wrong with many of the mush brains here abouts…

Have a little respect of your elder…

Ron is the man, and the only one capable of putting this country BACK on the road we all so want…

Give it a rest will’ya…

Put a sock in it, and do the right thing, for all the right reasons.

Toodles…

Scrumpy on December 14, 2011 at 11:33 PM

I wouldn’t hold age against Paul.

I will hold his isolationism and socially liberal-libertarian policies against him though.

scotash on December 14, 2011 at 11:35 PM

If Ron Paul wants to do something constructive for his country and his health he should drop out after Iowa and put his support behind a fellow Texan who can win the nomination — Rick Perry.

PatrickHenry599 on December 14, 2011 at 5:19 PM

Ron Paul hates Rick Perry. Probably because they share initials or something.

cptacek on December 14, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Scrumpy on December 14, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Everyone here who pays attention understands you are a drunk. toodles!

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM

What’s the big deal? The president’s term of office is only like five months, right?

Jingo95 on December 14, 2011 at 11:43 PM

There is no comparison between Ronaldus Maximus and Paul.

While Reagan was fighting the Soviets, where did Paul stand on it?

Paul’s foreign policy is a danger to all Americans. Offer Iran friendship??? Seriously?

LevinFan on December 14, 2011 at 10:14 PM

Ugh. My brother is a Paul nut, and he has tried to convince me that Ron Paul is more Reagan than Reagan was. I’ve asked him “What has Ron Paul done” and all he can show me are speeches, not votes, and no consensus building with other Republicans, let alone Democrats.

The next President must be a leader and must be able to bring other people around to the idea that Conservatism, REAL Conservatism, is what is going to turn the country around. That will take all of the Republicans happily turning around and pulling in the right direction, and picking off some of the Democrats as well. Paul doesn’t have that consensus building in him (where consensus does not equal folding, but bringing others into your way of thinking)

cptacek on December 14, 2011 at 11:53 PM

Everyone here who pays attention understands you are a drunk. toodles!

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 11:42 PM

It’s all in good fun really!!

What ruffled your feathers eh? I am proud to hail from the West Country, but only an idiot such as yourself would focus on the one aspect, the cider aspect, read much? I am proud to say I do not drink…

I shall watch out for you deary…

Scrumpy on December 14, 2011 at 11:55 PM

The party deserves a better shot than they will ever get with RP.

slickwillie2001 on December 14, 2011 at 10:28 PM

The libertarian party murdered itself when it nominated and ran Bob Barr, who simply bought the nomination.

Bob Barr… really?

Rebar on December 15, 2011 at 12:11 AM

Scrumpy on December 14, 2011 at 11:33 PM

I’ve been commenting here for 5+ years. you’ve been here…a week?
Herr Doktor is a Jew-hating azzwhole. Go eff yourself Ronbot!

annoyinglittletwerp on December 15, 2011 at 12:17 AM

Congressman Paul, once stated that Gaza was a concentration camp(Jan 05,2009). I wonder if he still feels that way. Or this way: “The U.S. defiles Islam with bases on the Holy Land and Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians, as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands.” {Congressional Record _ Ron Paul Jan 29, 2003}

IMAWMD on December 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Rebar on December 15, 2011 at 12:11 AM

Bob Barr could have won Texas by default in 2008.

The Nerve on December 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Well, RP darn well resembles a scarecrow in the photo at the head of the thread, if that helps….

Sherman1864 on December 15, 2011 at 1:27 AM

Bob Barr could have won Texas by default in 2008.

The Nerve on December 15, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Bob Barr was the polar opposite of a libertarian, every vote he cast proved that. He simply bought the nomination, and the libertarian party establishment couldn’t take his money fast enough.

Party of principle.

Rebar on December 15, 2011 at 1:37 AM

Aren’t fantasy’s nice?..all warm and fuzzy where reality doesn’t really exist and all problems are solved by the course of least resistance??

Unfortunately, a real life Chauncey the gardener as POTUS would be a disaster.

Mimzey on December 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Exactly. Because liberty is such a cute idea in theory, but obviously no thinking person really believes that crap works in reality. /

thirtyandseven on December 15, 2011 at 1:53 AM

Johnson is not merely a “marathon runner” and a “mountain climber.” He’s done the Ironman, biked across my state several times picking up trash (Toss no Mas New Mexico!) and climbed MT. Everest. That’s like saying Joe Montana “threw a football” or Obama “dabbles in socialism…”

Outofmehead on December 15, 2011 at 2:52 AM

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 9:37 PM

fish, meet barrel.

lulz! paulnutz are moar fun than palinistas

MTLassen on December 14, 2011 at 9:38 PM

I’m sorry, but the concept appears over your head. I’ll try once more, despite the name calling.

The Congressman represents American citizens in his district; he is their voice before the federal government. The federal government seizes his constituents wealth through taxation. His constituents ask for their money back, and he complies, since he is their representative. The money has already been appropriated. Do you think he should ignore his constituents and just have their money go to Washington without any of it being returned and spent on those from whom it was seized?

Every single cent should be earmarked so that we can know where it is spent and how it is spent. Otherwise, the Executive spends it how it wishes with no accountability and no transparency. Wouldn’t it be nice to know where ever single cent of TARP and the stimulus went? We would if the entire amounts had been earmarked.

If you think this is somehow not fiscally conservative or that it’s hypocritical, then you have a very uninformed opinion.

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 8:05 AM

Well this is funny, I constantly hear about how paul supporters would sit out if their man doesnt get the nomination. I wonder if the anti-Paulnuts would vote for O or sit out if he does get the nomination.

snoopicus on December 15, 2011 at 8:21 AM

Egad, then, drop out of the running! Unless you’re just a straw man for Romney?

IndeCon on December 15, 2011 at 8:46 AM

Paul has benefitted by being considered unlikely to get the nomination, and is making superb use of this. I think his comments are designed to keep his opponents believing he is still weak when he is not.

love2rumba on December 14, 2011 at 9:06 PM

That’s a very strange approach to running for president…letting people think you’re weak.

Tomolena1 on December 15, 2011 at 9:30 AM

I interpret that as Paul pondering whether he as a candidate and his campaign will be able to stand up to a long protracted primary, not Paul himself.

drlax15m on December 15, 2011 at 9:43 AM

Ron Paul, alias Hoiman Roth

mactoid on December 15, 2011 at 10:04 AM

<blockquoteCongressman Paul, once stated that Gaza was a concentration camp(Jan 05,2009). I wonder if he still feels that way. Or this way: “The U.S. defiles Islam with bases on the Holy Land and Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians, as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands.” {Congressional Record _ Ron Paul Jan 29, 2003}

IMAWMD on December 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM

Well said. Don’t forget that just last week Ron Paul said Bush was gleeful after 9/11. Read between the lines he’s basically said that we provoked 9/11.

Paul is naive and downright insulting.

LevinFan on December 15, 2011 at 10:18 AM

I would say that the Establishment is definitely planning a third party in Americans Elect. When you look at the steering committee behind that, it’s full of Insiders. Given Christine Whitman’s pushing of Huntsman to run in that party, I think it likely that if one of their Insider’s (Mitt or Newt) doesn’t get the nomination, this is the Establishment’s way of crippling popular dissent by splitting the vote.

Also, you have the Libertarian Party in play, which could split some more of the vote. I could see a four-way general election. That would be interesting.

republicanmother on December 15, 2011 at 10:27 AM

I see why you’re a Levin fan.

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 10:30 AM

Good. Go away.
~
How would I deal with the threat or the so-called threat of the Iranians, that they are going to disrupt the oil supply?

Well I’d be provoking them a lot less because they’re reacting to the provoking of the West saying “we’re gonna put on sanctions”. We have them surrounded with nuclear weapons and we’re claiming that they’re gonna build a nuclear weapon and there’s no evidence for this.

So we’re just looking for trouble. We’re building the war propaganda against Iran just as we did against Iraq.

And people want to go to war against Iran. And I think they’re reacting to the provocations of so many other people saying that “we’re liable to bomb you because you are building a nuclear weapon.” But our CIA doesn’t confirm that nor does the UN confirm that.

So they’re acting actually in a rational manner because they’re saying “they’re gonna attack us and start bombing us”. They have to say “well, we don’t have any nuclear weapons, we can’t really defend ourselves. So we might sink a boat, sink a ship out there in the Persian Gulf”, hoping that we might back off. -Ron Paul.

Akzed on December 15, 2011 at 10:39 AM

If you think this is somehow not fiscally conservative or that it’s hypocritical, then you have a very uninformed opinion.

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 8:05 AM

Orly?

Project Name: City of Galveston Seawall Transit/Pedestrian Access and Beautification Program
Recipient: City of Galveston
Recipient Street Address: PO Box 779
Recipient City: Galveston
Recipient State: TX
Recipient Zip Code: 77553-0779
Requested Amount: $4,000,000

Project Name: City of League City Streetscape
Recipient: City of League City
Recipient Street Address: 305 E. Main Street
Recipient City: League City
Recipient State: TX
Recipient Zip Code: 77573
Requested Amount: $1,000,000

Project Name: Community-Based Job Training Program
Recipient: Spotted Blu Horse
Recipient Street Address: 15902 Hwy 3, #1822
Recipient City: Webster
Recipient State: TX
Recipient Zip Code: 77598
Requested Amount: $11,677,622

The list goes on and on. Your favorite fraud, Doktor Paulnutz, earmarks millions of dollars of MY money to be spent in his district on raw pork, then promptly votes ‘Nein’ on the bills in order to fool bozos like you into believing he’s a fiscal hawk. Yet somehow you fail to see the irony in non-Texans paying for local Texas projects via federal law enacted by your favorite liar (who crows about these pork projects on his own website).

Every spent federal dollar should be earmarked? Hahahahahahahahaha!!! Bridge to Nowhere much?

Keep trolling, junior. It’s very, very funny!

MTLassen on December 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM

Yes, really. You are free to continue to wallow in your confusion and your uninformed opinion. I’ve tried to explain the process, tried to explain what one of the jobs of a Congressman is, tried to explain that as a representative of his district he is acting upon requests of his constituents – because that is his role, tried to explain what earmarks are, and tried to explain that the money has already been appropriated, and have even linked to Paul explaining it. You choose to ignore it, thinking you have some gotcha! point, when all evidence proves the opposite.

Yes, every single federal dollar should be earmarked. That way we know where it’s going. Otherwise, some faceless nameless bureaucrat gets to decide and we’ll never know how it’s used. It’s a very simple concept, yet one that is often purposefully misused by populists and demagogues. I be you, don’t fall for it.

Like earmarks and pork, trolling is another word you don’t seem to understand. Those words do not mean what you think they mean.

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 10:53 AM

The Congressman represents American citizens in his district; he is their voice before the federal government. The federal government seizes his constituents wealth through taxation. His constituents ask for their money back, and he complies, since he is their representative. The money has already been appropriated. Do you think he should ignore his constituents and just have their money go to Washington without any of it being returned and spent on those from whom it was seized? Dante on December 15, 2011 at 8:05 AM

And after fooling some of the people all the time as you described, he votes against all appropriations bills so he can claim to be a budget hawk and fool all of the people some of the time.

And he’s only one of four Republicans requesting earmarks these days.

Akzed on December 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM

MTLassen on December 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM

We must be brothers of different mothers. Maybe we went to different schools together? Or something.

Akzed on December 15, 2011 at 11:02 AM

And after fooling some of the people all the time as you described, he votes against all appropriations bills so he can claim to be a budget hawk and fool all of the people some of the time.

And he’s only one of four Republicans requesting earmarks these days.

Akzed on December 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM

No, that is not why he does it. Any Congressman/Senator grandstanding about being against earmarks is pandering to the dumb masses and any one of them following through with it is ceding their Constitutional duty to the Executive branch, where we will never know where the money will go. I’m sorry to say you’re the one being fooled.

link

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM

The earmarks you misunderstand account for less than 1% of the budget. When Paul is voting against the appropriations bill, he is voting against 100% of the budget, not just 1%.

yet another link filled with explanation

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 11:33 AM

There Dante goes suggesting his is the smart, informed Paul bot and everyone else doesnt get it. The belief is popular among that crowd apparently. Just dont ask too many questions about Paul or their ideology. They get frustrated and start calling you names, insinuating that you’re the stupid one when they cannot explain themselves.

Logboy on December 15, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Well, if I were Paul’s age, and wanting to know what kind of crap the opposition will toss at me over my age, just to see if it will stick, I’d mention something like this, too. Especially early in the race.

Smoking out the competition to prepare myself for the onslaught. Pays to know what your opposition might be throwing at you.

Of course, young folk never think like this.

M.L. Bushman on December 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM

The other thing I wish to point out is we haven’t been provided with the video of Paul saying this, so that we might judge for ourselves if he was making a joke or tossing something out there to provoke the ageists’ assault or if he was even serious.

M.L. Bushman on December 15, 2011 at 12:01 PM

There Dante goes suggesting his is the smart, informed Paul bot and everyone else doesnt get it. The belief is popular among that crowd apparently. Just dont ask too many questions about Paul or their ideology. They get frustrated and start calling you names, insinuating that you’re the stupid one when they cannot explain themselves.

Logboy on December 15, 2011 at 11:37 AM

So, you complain about someone calling you names when you start your first sentence out with an offensive name?

Not only that, you go on to include every other Paul supporter in your blanket statement that “the belief is popular among that crowd apparently.”

I guess labeling people is all right if you’re the one doing it, huh?

Just wondering here what your standards of moral excellence are and if they apply only to others.

M.L. Bushman on December 15, 2011 at 12:06 PM

You’re late to the game Bushman. Check out the insults spewed by Dante et al on the last Paul thread and get back to me.

Logboy on December 15, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Watching paulnutz vigorously defend earmarking & pork barrel spending is hilarious. :D

We just don’t understand how the process works. LOL!

MTLassen on December 15, 2011 at 1:27 PM

You’re late to the game Bushman. Check out the insults spewed by Dante et al on the last Paul thread and get back to me.

Logboy on December 15, 2011 at 12:23 PM

You have never, ever, ever, quoted one of these supposed insults. You have a rich fantasy life. You make things up and you lie. When challenged on it, you then supply quotes from other people.

Dante on December 15, 2011 at 7:47 PM

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