New Haven mayor: Let illegal immigrants vote!

posted at 5:30 pm on December 14, 2011 by Tina Korbe

You read that headline right. While the GOP candidates squabble about whether support for in-state tuition or a path to citizenship might as well be support for amnesty, the mayor of New Haven, Ct., comes right out with it. He supports amnesty — and not even stealthily. NBC Connecticut reports:

New Haven Mayor John DeStefano plans to ask the state Legislature to allow illegal immigrants who live in the city to be able vote in municipal elections.

DeStefano said on Tuesday that the proposal would build a more engaged community and follows the lead of other cities, the New Haven Independent reports.

Immigrants who are in the U.S. legally or illegally and cannot vote now would still be unable to vote in state or federal elections.

DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.

I know, I know. He didn’t really propose amnesty. After all, his plan wouldn’t allow undocumented immigrants citizenship — and it still bars them from voting in state and national elections. But what is citizenship if not the right to participate in government at any level? This should be so self-evidently counterproductive and undermining as to need no response at all.

Every timid half-measure that is ever proposed as a solution to “deal with” illegal immigration ignores the fundamental problem. At some point, we will have to revisit the quota system and the process to become a citizen of this country, in general. We will have to ask ourselves seriously what the meaning of United States citizenship really is — and what it takes to earn it. We will also have to decide how welcoming we want and can afford to be. Sound immigration policy need not be inhumane, but it also need not be determined solely by compassionate considerations.

The issue is decidedly complex, but only because we haven’t clearly defined what our priorities should be.


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Hey, why bother having borders or laws?

Chip on December 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM

Can we question their patriotism now?

Little Boomer on December 14, 2011 at 5:35 PM

what could possibly go wrong? /s

DanMan on December 14, 2011 at 5:36 PM

I like the Starship Troopers (the book) style of citizenship myself.

mythicknight on December 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Letting non-citizens vote? Letting illegals vote in municipal elections? What could go wrong?

Gettycorn on December 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Can anyone see Kennedy or Roosevelt saying people in the country illegally should be able to vote?

amerpundit on December 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

The sad fact, they probably already voted for bho last time. Makes one wonder how many other mayors are trying this stunt in their states? holder and bunch give a thumbs up on this one!
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letget on December 14, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Well, props to DeStefano for actually using the word “illegal”. That more truth than one hears out of most Democrat’s mouths. I wonder if his proposal includes dead illegal immigrants or he’s saving that for later?

DaveDief on December 14, 2011 at 5:38 PM

Don’t they already vote anyway?

austinconservative on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

If so, then why not let them vote twice?

albill on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Typical democrat.

Zorro on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Eh, that crazy constitution is just a hindrance..lberals have lost their collective minds.

Static21 on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Sales tax is one thing, or even those who use fake SS numbers and thus do pay some income taxes, but rent?

Esthier on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

After all, his plan wouldn’t allow illegal undocumented immigrants citizenship

Do we really have to be so politically correct around here? They’re illegal aliens, not undocumented workers! Sorry, but this is my hot button issue.

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Fine, let them register then deport them.

darwin on December 14, 2011 at 5:40 PM

Illegals voting legally. Kinda makes your head spin, doesn’t it? Like “unemployment creates jobs.”

RobertMN on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

DeStefano said on Tuesday that the proposal would build a more engaged community and follows the lead of other cities

What other cities are doing this?

paulsur on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Quick poll: Is everyone in favor of dead people voting or illegals voting?

Static21 on December 14, 2011 at 5:42 PM

Wasn’t there some comments a few years ago, back in the days of GW Bush that the Europeans were saying that the Office of President of the United States was such an important office world wide, that Europe should have a vote?

Skandia Recluse on December 14, 2011 at 5:42 PM

holy macaronies, and they b!tch that we want folks to have an ID to vote…

cmsinaz on December 14, 2011 at 5:42 PM

DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.

So where do these illegals get the money from to pay their rents ?
Who pays for their kids to go to school to have free meals and learn to speak spanish ?

burrata on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

Thank you! It seems strange that Tina would recognize the problem with “timid half-measures” while failing to recognize the importance of word choices.

DrMagnolias on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

But don’t you dare make them show ID!\

Hard Right on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Sure. Just as long as I get to cast a vote in all the countries where these illegals come from.

JohnAGJ on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Why stop there? Start deporting actual citizens to make room for more of these potential democrat voters.

Scrappy on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Can we please make this sort of weapons-grade stupidity into a capital crime?

platypus on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Isn’t the right to vote just for a citizen?

mnkatie on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

lsm cheering, i’m surprised he’s not on tingles show right this minute…

cmsinaz on December 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM

If this were a sane world, this would be a joke post.

squint on December 14, 2011 at 5:44 PM

Sure. Just as long as I get to cast a vote in all the countries where these illegals come from.

JohnAGJ on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

I hear Mexico is great this time of the year…

Static21 on December 14, 2011 at 5:45 PM

The issue is decidedly complex, but only because we haven’t clearly defined what our priorities should be.

No, it isn’t.

BobMbx on December 14, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Why not just set up polling places all over the world and let everybody out there decide our elections for us?

Sheesh.

backwoods conservative on December 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I don’t have a problemo with that ernie…

… as long as they register as Republicans.

/

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Quick poll: Is everyone in favor of dead people voting or illegals voting?

Static21 on December 14, 2011 at 5:42 PM

All of my dead relatives left me their proxy vote.

BobMbx on December 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

The issue is decidedly complex, but only because we haven’t clearly defined what our priorities should be.

It amazes me why the adjective illegal is so hard to comprehend these days.

B-Ri on December 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

I was just there this morning. What a friggin dump. I say let them vote for anything as long as I-95 stays open and I can go past that cesspool wihout having to stop.

Johnnyreb on December 14, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Combine this with Holder fighting the “ID to Vote” rule, and Hussein will be guaranteed another term. Who needs ACORN?

stacman on December 14, 2011 at 5:47 PM

What other cities are doing this?

paulsur on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

It’s working great out here in California…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Sure. Just as long as I get to cast a vote in all the countries where these illegals come from.

JohnAGJ on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Not unless there is an exchange rate similar in ratio to the currency exchange.

Scrappy on December 14, 2011 at 5:48 PM

A Tancredo independent run is our only hope at this point, if Bachmann isn’t nominated.

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 5:48 PM

If illegals can vote in New Haven, they can hold public office, no? I’m fine with it, but only if enough illegals move to New Haven to vote in a new illegal Mayor and City Council.

Then they could designate New Haven as a sanctuary city for American citizens.

Nuevo Refugio!

SlaveDog on December 14, 2011 at 5:50 PM

Oh, don’t get yourself all in a tizzy, Tina.

Jaibones on December 14, 2011 at 5:51 PM

holy macaronies, and they b!tch that we want folks to have an ID to vote…

cmsinaz on December 14, 2011 at 5:42 PM

We have a requirement to show picture ID to vote in CT. Doesn’t do much good when the Mayor gives out municipal ID’s to illegals.

Durham68 on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

New Haven Mayor John DeStefano plans to ask the state Legislature to allow illegal immigrants who live in the city to be able vote in municipal elections.

That’s racist. Why limit it to people who live in the city? Why should I be prohibited from voting in New Haven municipal elections, just because I happen to live in California?

malclave on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Searched that whole article in The Newhaven Indepoendent, and I’ll be dipped in dog shidt if I can find any reference to the mans political party affiliation.

ain’t that strange?

Yeah, he’s a democrat.

44Magnum on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

+100.

platypus on December 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Searched that whole article in The Newhaven Indepoendent, and I’ll be dipped in dog shidt if I can find any reference to the mans political party affiliation.

ain’t that strange?

Yeah, he’s a democrat.

44Magnum on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Local paper where everyone knows anything associated with New Haven can be assumed to be a D.

Durham68 on December 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM

SO glad I no longer live in Connecticut. Of course, living in Illinois is no better, but at least there are some sound minds here.

SteveThomas on December 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM

Let’s just get it over with and declare every person on Earth a US citizen. We can eliminate the Border Patrol and Customs and probably State as well. All the misplaced workers can start registering 7 billion new Americans for Social Security and food stamps.

halfbaked on December 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Why should I be prohibited from voting in New Haven municipal elections, just because I happen to live in California?

malclave on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Don’t give them any ideas, please.

platypus on December 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM

If so, then why not let them vote twice?

albill on December 14, 2011 at 5:39 PM

I thought that in Connecticut, minorities get to vote 6 times.

RickB on December 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Durham68 on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

nice…

*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on December 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM

This might put ACORN’s sattellite entities right out of business.

1punchWill on December 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Having grown up in Fairfield County, the Dems who get elected in cities like New Haven, Stamford, Bridgeport…they’re all less than scrupulous so to speak. And they can pretty much get away with anything they want.

JetBoy on December 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I thought that in Connecticut, minorities get to vote 6 times.

RickB on December 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Maybe that was New York state.

RickB on December 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Why should I be prohibited from voting in New Haven municipal elections, just because I happen to live in California?

malclave on December 14, 2011 at 5:53 PM

You are not prohibited to vote in New Haven because you live in CA.
You are prohibited to vote in New Haven because you are a US citizen.

burrata on December 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM

… as long as they register as Republicans.

Seven Percent Solution on December 14, 2011 at 5:46 PM

Even better. That way, we can have 2 pro-open borders parties!

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:59 PM

burrata on December 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Your username is making me hungry.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 6:00 PM

heads up illegals! open borders mean free entitlements, and coming soon to a town near you, voting rights!

burserker on December 14, 2011 at 6:01 PM

News Bulletin—-Hugo Chavez voted in as Mayor of New Haven.

rjoco1 on December 14, 2011 at 6:01 PM

They’re already donating money to their favorite Dem, why not vote for them? /sarc

Conservative_Hippie on December 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Can anyone see Kennedy or Roosevelt saying people in the country illegally should be able to vote?

amerpundit on December 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Well, it could be credibly argued that “illegal voting” got Kennedy elected in 1960; Lyndon Johnson stole the State of Texas for him with vote fraud, and of course Kennedy also cheated he way to victory in Illinois that year.

The Democrats can no longer win elections solely on their “ideas” alone. Why do you think they are so afraid of mandatory Voter ID laws?

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM

“Building a more engaged community”

You facist, tea-bagging, Rethuglikan, bible smokers better get used to having your community engaged.

(do I really need to sarc tag this?)

St Gaudens on December 14, 2011 at 6:06 PM

There once was a Mayor from New Haven
Who said some publicity i have been gravin
So he went on the news said with this i can’t lose
And he proved that a lib has no brain in.

rbtsckdj on December 14, 2011 at 6:07 PM

Next up, New Haven’s New Mayor, sponsored by La Raza.

Robert Jensen on December 14, 2011 at 6:08 PM

May I drive up and vote? Sure I am from Texas, but what is a few hundred miles between voters?

rgranger on December 14, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Having grown up in Fairfield County, the Dems who get elected in cities like New Haven, Stamford, Bridgeport…they’re all less than scrupulous so to speak. And they can pretty much get away with anything they want.

JetBoy on December 14, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Well, except for maybe one-Joe Lieberman is honest. One of my uncles still lives in Stamford and for years bought his hooch at the liquor store Joe’s dad ran, on High Ridge Road. It’s now called 4 Corners Liquor Shop, I think?

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2011 at 6:11 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Yeah, because who’s most deserving of citizenship except those who break into the country to get it? I mean, all I had to do was be born.

Or really, let’s just get rid of citizenship altogether so that it doesn’t matter if you’re Mexican or Canadian or Australian. Everyone should be able to come in here whenever they need and work as they need without this nativist concept of borders and rule of law.

Esthier on December 14, 2011 at 6:11 PM

R A C I S T !

KOOLAID2 on December 14, 2011 at 6:12 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

So you don’t see a danger in an underclass that votes for a living?

Chip on December 14, 2011 at 6:13 PM

Give the poor Democrat credit where it’s due – at least he’s promoting real, live, actual people voting.

da_goblin on December 14, 2011 at 6:14 PM

un hombre – un voto!

BigAlSouth on December 14, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Sure. Why not. But why stop there?

Allow scofflaw illegal immigrants to run for Mayor of New Haven!

FlatFoot on December 14, 2011 at 6:16 PM

Can anyone see Kennedy or Roosevelt saying people in the country illegally should be able to vote?

amerpundit on December 14, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Well, it could be credibly argued that “illegal voting” got Kennedy elected in 1960; Lyndon Johnson stole the State of Texas for him with vote fraud, and of course Kennedy also cheated he way to victory in Illinois that year.

The Democrats can no longer win elections solely on their “ideas” alone. Why do you think they are so afraid of mandatory Voter ID laws?

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Bingo. FDR perhaps, but the Kennedy Crime Family did anything and everything to steal votes, and would not have given a second thought to gathering votes from illegal aliens.

slickwillie2001 on December 14, 2011 at 6:17 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I can think of plenty of reasons. As usual, you’re deep in denial.

darwin on December 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Well, except for maybe one-Joe Lieberman is honest. One of my uncles still lives in Stamford and for years bought his hooch at the liquor store Joe’s dad ran, on High Ridge Road. It’s now called 4 Corners Liquor Shop, I think?

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Yeah, that store is at the crossroads of High Ridge and Long Ridge I believe. And yep, Lieberman was an exception. And look what he had to do, run as an independent as he lost the Dem primary.

JetBoy on December 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM

The scariest part of this for me is that there are people in this country who hear this proposal and think, “hey, now THERE’S a good idea!!!”

Probably the same people who invested in the Flowbee all those years ago.

El Dillo on December 14, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Very good catch in the particulars Del but amerpundit did mention them “saying” it.

That was beyond ironic that Holder gave a speech last night excoriating Texas for passing anti voter fraud legislation from the LBJ Library at UT. There are many Texans that would never vote for LBJ because his election bs. But still he won somehow.

I was kid but Goldwater was quite prominently mentioned in our house and that was when the entire state was still solidly democratical.

DanMan on December 14, 2011 at 6:27 PM

The scariest part of this for me is that there are people in this country who hear this proposal and think, “hey, now THERE’S a good idea!!!”

El Dillo on December 14, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Yes, they’re called “liberals” and they’re virulent anti-American and corrupt.

darwin on December 14, 2011 at 6:29 PM

And look what he had to do, run as an independent as he lost the Dem primary.

JetBoy on December 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Like Texas, Connecticutans will shake their collective heads and wonder why they voted solid dem a few years from now.

DanMan on December 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM

The scariest part of this for me is that there are people in this country who hear this proposal and think, “hey, now THERE’S a good idea!!!”

El Dillo on December 14, 2011 at 6:24 PM

I’m sure Newt thinks it’s great since he wants to grant amnesty as a welcome gift at the border.

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2011 at 6:33 PM

That was beyond ironic that Holder gave a speech last night excoriating Texas for passing anti voter fraud legislation from the LBJ Library at UT. There are many Texans that would never vote for LBJ because his election bs. But still he won somehow.

I was kid but Goldwater was quite prominently mentioned in our house and that was when the entire state was still solidly democratical.

DanMan on December 14, 2011 at 6:27 PM

John @ Power Line:

There was, of course, a certain irony in Holder’s choice of a site for his speech. Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act in 1965–Holder’s intended reference–but he is also associated with voter fraud. It is universally acknowledged, I believe, that Johnson stole his first Senate election in 1948, and voter fraud carried out under his expert guidance in 1960 helped Kennedy carry Texas. So Holder’s placing himself in the tradition of Lyndon Johnson invokes an ambiguous heritage, at best.

Del Dolemonte on December 14, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Can they cast absentee ballot?

BoxHead1 on December 14, 2011 at 6:36 PM

DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.

DeSefano is a DEMOCRAT! What a surprise.

Happy Nomad on December 14, 2011 at 6:38 PM

Undocumented Democrats. What a freaking idiot.

MikeinPRCA on December 14, 2011 at 6:38 PM

DanMan on December 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM

O/T DanMan, aren’t you an SFA grad? I know someone else around here is and I’m thinking it’s you.

TxAnn56 on December 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM

Sounds like a great opportunity for a sting operation. Let the illegals register(you might even tell them they’ll be enrolled in a drawing for cash prizes/) When they show up at the polls, ICE will be there ready to deport them.

Well, one can dream can’t one?

susandiane311 on December 14, 2011 at 6:40 PM

This very incrementalism – “hey, it’s only local elections” – is what has me upset with Rick Perry’s attitude – “hey, they’ve been living here and paying taxes, so they can get college assistance just like Americans”.

It’s a slow-motion, underhanded amnesty.

Amnesty must be debated and decided out in the light, and the issue of the Mexican invasion must be settled with an honest debate.

I strongly oppose the incremental amnesty currently being practiced across America, because it creates a class of citizens residents who are half in and half out of the legal light. Mexicans living illegally in America are still free to do business in cash, skip paying state and federal income taxes, send their money back to Mexico, instead of investing it in the local economy, and then fall back on our too-generous safety net to get “free” checks from the government other Americans in the form of entitlement programs, because they are “poor,” due to lack of documented income, bankrupting our hospitals and putting low-income Americans out of work in the service industry and construction trade in the process.

Illegal immigration is a cancer, eating away at our country. Those who intellectually contort themselves into a position where they would consider letting illegals vote have not only lost perspective – they are committing a soft form of treason.

But treason, none the less.

150 years ago, the face of slavery was black.

Now, it is brown.

In this respect, we have become a profoundly immoral nation.

cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 6:41 PM

DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.

Oh okay! See they pay taxes. Indirectly, but they pay them through rent. Of course they don’t pay them w/ their income because they’re part of that 47% that doesn’t pay federal taxes, but they send their kids to school. You see that, their little offspring get educated for hardly nothing.

Yeah, lets let them vote! idiot.

irishinfidel on December 14, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Well, props to DeStefano for actually using the word “illegal”.

DaveDief on December 14, 2011 at 5:38 PM

I agree with you. The normal vocabulary calls illegals “migrants” or “undocumented” workers. Neither term includes the fact that they are also criminals.

Happy Nomad on December 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM

For Republicans to get that important Hispanic demographic we’ll need to offer something similar. How about “You can vote if you’ve been here 20 years”. Is that OK with everyone?

BoxHead1 on December 14, 2011 at 6:47 PM

The good mayor is probably acknowledging something that is already happening in his fair city. Talk about PANDERING. Wouldn’t want to ask someone to show a valid ID before voting. It’s not like you’re cashing a check. Perhaps he needs a remedial course in civics. Paying special attention to what CITIZENSHIP means.

GarandFan on December 14, 2011 at 6:47 PM

Something I have seen no one discuss:

Gingrich has proposed letting those illegals who have been here 25 years with a clean record be admitted.

His idea to have a sort of illegal “draft board” make the decision at the local level seems problematic on the surface, because you know that in bleeding-heart communities such as San Francisco, or in Hispanic-dominate communities such as Houston, the admission rate would be 100%.

But back way off, and look at what Gingrich is saying:

Twenty-five years ago means 1986… 1988 once the new president is inaugurated.

What he’s saying is that he is respecting Reagan’s 1986 amnesty bill, which was violated wholesale by the Democrats.

He’s saying that if you came in about the time of the last amnesty, we will consider you. Those who came later are out of luck.

To those who say that Gingrich is an immigration squish, I say that that actually seems like a pretty stringent policy.

cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 6:57 PM

And rent is paying taxes indirectly how, exactly?

Hucklebuck on December 14, 2011 at 7:08 PM

It took until the fifth paragraph for NBC Connecticut to report that the mayor was a Democrat. It didn’t take me nearly that long to figure it out.

Moose Drool on December 14, 2011 at 7:14 PM

Holey moley. Or holey mole. Well, sure, I’ll let my across-the-street neighbors just waltz on into my house, and help my family decide how we’re going to spend our money. Maybe the next-door-neighbors, too.

Has this guy freakin’ lost his mind??

redgypsy on December 14, 2011 at 7:18 PM

To those who say that Gingrich is an immigration squish, I say that that actually seems like a pretty stringent policy.

cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 6:57 PM

There are lots of problems with Gingrich’s local amnesty scheme. He actually said the 10th amendment allows him to pass federal responsibility all the way down to local communities. That is nutty enough, but then he apparently thinks he’d have the power to set some qualifier about how long they’ve been illegal. If the Constitution allows the scheme on the premise that the local community is “the people”, it expressly forbids the federal government from putting qualifiers on that power so there would be no 25 year limit.

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 7:19 PM

If I’m visiting another country, can I vote in their election?

rightmom2 on December 14, 2011 at 7:26 PM

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