New Haven mayor: Let illegal immigrants vote!

posted at 5:30 pm on December 14, 2011 by Tina Korbe

You read that headline right. While the GOP candidates squabble about whether support for in-state tuition or a path to citizenship might as well be support for amnesty, the mayor of New Haven, Ct., comes right out with it. He supports amnesty — and not even stealthily. NBC Connecticut reports:

New Haven Mayor John DeStefano plans to ask the state Legislature to allow illegal immigrants who live in the city to be able vote in municipal elections.

DeStefano said on Tuesday that the proposal would build a more engaged community and follows the lead of other cities, the New Haven Independent reports.

Immigrants who are in the U.S. legally or illegally and cannot vote now would still be unable to vote in state or federal elections.

DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.

I know, I know. He didn’t really propose amnesty. After all, his plan wouldn’t allow undocumented immigrants citizenship — and it still bars them from voting in state and national elections. But what is citizenship if not the right to participate in government at any level? This should be so self-evidently counterproductive and undermining as to need no response at all.

Every timid half-measure that is ever proposed as a solution to “deal with” illegal immigration ignores the fundamental problem. At some point, we will have to revisit the quota system and the process to become a citizen of this country, in general. We will have to ask ourselves seriously what the meaning of United States citizenship really is — and what it takes to earn it. We will also have to decide how welcoming we want and can afford to be. Sound immigration policy need not be inhumane, but it also need not be determined solely by compassionate considerations.

The issue is decidedly complex, but only because we haven’t clearly defined what our priorities should be.


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MAYBE, this is a secret plan. Once the illegals register they can swoop in and arrest them all. Naa, the dems don’t have enough common sense to want that.

angrymike on December 14, 2011 at 7:27 PM

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 7:19 PM

The Feds had no problem giving guidance/standards to local draft boards in World War II.

I don’t see why they couldn’t provide guidance in vetting illegal aliens.

I think you are confusing locally empowered draft boards with federally empowered draft boards staffed by locals.

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cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 7:30 PM

And rent is paying taxes indirectly how, exactly?

Hucklebuck on December 14, 2011 at 7:08 PM

This is a standard Laraza propaganda , justified as follows :

Illegals pay rent to landlords who use that money to pay property taxes.
Hence renters pay taxes.

This is like the other excuse these illegals alien lobbyists use,
which is :

illegals pay sales taxes because they live and buy stuff in the community .

Ofcourse no one ever points out that illegals and anchor babies get welfare and foodstamps and free/subsidized housing paid for by taxpayers.

burrata on December 14, 2011 at 7:31 PM

When you go to vote, the precinct workers are doing local work, empowered by the Feds.

Newt is saying that the locals will be better able to judge whether the illegals have been an asset to their communities. But it will be a federal program.

I haven’t thought his idea all the way through, but it’s interesting.

cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM

What a splendid idea, let us allow those who flaunt the law to help decide who makes it!

Isn’t the right to vote just for a citizen?

mnkatie on December 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM

Depends on who you ask. IIRC, there are European countries that allow non-citizens to vote. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t extend to illegal aliens though. Of course with Europe, you can never be sure that an idea is too dumb for them to try it.

BornLib on December 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM

I hear Mexico is great this time of the year…

Static21 on December 14, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Unless you’re an illegal in their country, in which case the Federales will make sure you think twice about doing that again. Ah the irony…

JohnAGJ on December 14, 2011 at 7:35 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I can think of one. You’ll have to share your welfare, ernesto.

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on December 14, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Destefano’s logic allows illegal aliens the right to vote so I assume he would be OK with denying the vote to the 46 percent or so of Citizens who pay no taxes… just asking.

ghostwalker1 on December 14, 2011 at 7:41 PM

And who is to blame for this?

The voters who put this individual in office.

Sad state for a city in one of our first States.

ProfShadow on December 14, 2011 at 7:43 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Except that they broke our laws to get in the country, and there are plenty of people waiting to get into the country legally.
Oh, and they tend to suck up resources and jobs so that actual citizens can’t get work.

And of course the gangs, crimes, and enclaves of mostly mexico they create in our country.

And the illegal voting.

Otherwise, not a single good reason not to…

Bob_K on December 14, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Why hasn’t he been impeached or otherwise booted from office. Oh yeah, he’s a retarded Dem…in Connecticut. Ok..let’s feel sorry for him then.

Sporty1946 on December 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Hey, why don’t we let them run for public office too?

BRunner on December 14, 2011 at 7:59 PM

that creaking you hear, is the door opening…

John Kettlewell on December 14, 2011 at 7:59 PM

When you go to vote, the precinct workers are doing local work, empowered by the Feds.

Newt is saying that the locals will be better able to judge whether the illegals have been an asset to their communities. But it will be a federal program.

I haven’t thought his idea all the way through, but it’s interesting.

cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM

That’s because it is a terrible idea. This will just usher in massive amnesty. Who do you think will be sitting on the boards of heavily immigrant communities? Legal immigrants or children of the illegal immigrants who are sympathetic.

If Republicans vote Newt as nominee, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the GOP. Does it make sense to bring millions of people into the country who vote overwhelmingly for Democrats? The GOP did this to themselves due to greed. They wanted an abundant supply of cheap labor so they never put an end to that which will make America into a Democrat socialist stronghold.

Jerry Bear on December 14, 2011 at 7:59 PM

The Feds had no problem giving guidance/standards to local draft boards in World War II.

I don’t see why they couldn’t provide guidance in vetting illegal aliens.

I think you are confusing locally empowered draft boards with federally empowered draft boards staffed by locals.

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cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 7:30 PM

No, I’m saying that Gingrich has already stated that these local amnesty boards would have the power according to the 10th amendment. That isn’t me trying to unravel Newt’s scheme, it is what Newt said. If it’s not the jurisdiction of the federal government, then it’s totally not the jurisdiction of the federal government and it would be unconstitutional to stick their noses in with arbitrary time limits.

Think of it this way, what would President Gingrich do if the local board decided they didn’t want time limits? He’s already declared it out of the federal jurisdiction according to 10th amendment so he won’t be compelling the local boards to abide by his arbitrary time limits through the power of the judiciary or any other way.

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 8:20 PM

If I’m visiting another country, can I vote in their election?

rightmom2 on December 14, 2011 at 7:26 PM

That brings up another point. Would foreign tourists visiting New Haven legally on election day be allowed to vote or do you have to prove your illegalness before you are allowed to vote?

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM

That brings up another point. Would foreign tourists visiting New Haven legally on election day be allowed to vote or do you have to prove your illegalness before you are allowed to vote?

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 8:28 PM

I suppose they should be allowed to vote, because they would be paying those outrageous hotel occupancy taxes and perhaps the ridiculous rent-a-car fees as well, along with the sales taxes.

slickwillie2001 on December 14, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Impeach, at the very least.

Can we deport him to Mexico?

listens2glenn on December 14, 2011 at 9:29 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.
ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Besides the WIC cards and other welfare, the gangs, the murders, the drunk driving accidents, the extra costs for those who can’t even read Spanish, the burden on emergency room hospitals, the overcrowding of schools, and general lack of integration into society like every other legal immigrant… no, I can’t think of one either.

We should have open borders just like the countries they come from. Right?

LoganSix on December 14, 2011 at 9:58 PM

As they emerge via drug busts, rapes, murders, DUI’s, etc, simply detain them. Ship them via box car trains to detention centers in the middle of the desert. Once you have enough to fill a giant train, bring them to the border and flush.

Alden Pyle on December 14, 2011 at 10:17 PM

Oops! Shortage of caffeine today. My previous post should read: Destefano’s logic allows illegal aliens to vote by virtue of them “paying taxes”. So I assume he would be OK with denying the vote to the 46 percent or so of American citizens who pay no taxes. Perhaps we could work a trade…

ghostwalker1 on December 14, 2011 at 10:27 PM

How many countries do you think we can vote in even when we are not citizens? Mexico is one country that has the strictest voting requirements of any country I can think of and I doubt seriously that any of us could register a vote there yet we have public officials here wanting to allow this.

Pardonme on December 14, 2011 at 10:28 PM

Hey, let’s get a group of a few thousand conservatives together for a one-day trip up to New Haven on election day and send the mayor packing, or would he think of some reason to keep us from voting?

Buddahpundit on December 14, 2011 at 10:46 PM

Bread and circuses . . .

Imrahil on December 14, 2011 at 10:53 PM

Hell, they already do vote. Or they just register and let the community organizers collect and fill out their absentee ballots for them, all paid for by your tax dollars, of course.

DaNang67 on December 14, 2011 at 11:37 PM

We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.
ernesto on December 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM

I can think of many, but how about precedent.

Think of those trying to do the right thing to get into this country legally.
Um…okay….all two of them.

litebeam1 on December 15, 2011 at 12:33 AM

The traitor should be thrown out of office for this attempt to destroy the Constitution.

profitsbeard on December 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM

To those who say that Gingrich is an immigration squish, I say that that actually seems like a pretty stringent policy.
cane_loader on December 14, 2011 at 6:57 PM

Your hypocrisy is exposed, might want to cover it.

rukiddingme on December 15, 2011 at 1:16 AM

DeStefano has been mayor of New Haven forever. Enfranchising illegals guarantees him his job. He issued ID cards to them 5 years ago, now they can use those ID’s to vote and probably already are. Connecticut still requires an ID to cast a ballot. Look at the bright side, at least these people are alive and among us, that probably more than can be said for the folks that supposedly voted this clown onto office the last time.

Boats48 on December 15, 2011 at 4:52 AM

And while your at it Mr. Mayor perhaps you can convince Yale to build some public housing on its campus for our undocumented brethren. Help them put down some roots in the community and what not.

Thicklugdonkey on December 15, 2011 at 5:07 AM

Somebody please explain to Newt that local amnesty boards would simply mean a flood of illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities like Frisco which can be counted on to rubber stamp.

Someone also explain to Newt, Bush, Rove and the editors of the Wall Street Journal that while Mexicans lean Republican on one issue, abortion, they will vote Democrat if not Chavezista on every other issue.

kd6rxl on December 15, 2011 at 7:21 AM

Ernesto: We really ought to just make them citizens – there isn’t a single good reason not to.

Giving illegal Mexican settlers a path to citizenship is like giving illegal inside stock traders a legal path to keeping the money. As long as they paid their taxes on it, of course. How’s that for a reason?

Here’s a better one: Illegal settlers are the exact same legal and moral proposition as nonresidents who fake New Haven residency to cheat their way into resident-only jobs or programs. Except you won’t find the mayor grasping for excuses to avoid detecting and evicting nonresidents.

John Reece

kd6rxl on December 15, 2011 at 7:38 AM

Re: ernesto

A few words of advice to all of the newbies, ernesto is a long time race-baiting troll. It won’t work trying to get into rational discussions with him because he doesn’t want to discuss things reasonably when it comes to illegals or just about any other topic. He knows the position taken on most subjects by the majority of people on this site is conservative, so he takes the opposite position in order to get attention.

Sporty1946 on December 15, 2011 at 8:14 AM

they tried that same stuff in Portland, ME recently.

bunch of idiots.

dmacleo on December 15, 2011 at 8:35 AM

Let illegals vote, suuuurrrrre. Why not? Let’s also give the free access to our homes, any time day or night. Let’s give them the password to our savings accounts, our checking accounts, our investment accounts. Let’s provide them with free personal interpreters so they won’t have to learn English. Let’s give them a get out of jail free card. Let’s make them immune to our laws. Let’s not give them any of the responsibilities that come with the benefits of being a legal citizen of the United States. Let’s not even make them have to come here legally. For that matter, let’s just do away with our borders, our culture and our language. And THEN, let’s see what we end up with. It won’t be a country. It will be a dumping ground all of the planets cast offs and worse than third world. I lived as a legal resident of Brazil for ten years. There were no free interpreters, I was expected to learn Portuguese. There were no forms in English, I was expected to learn to read Portuguese. AND THERE WAS NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT ON NON-CITIZENS, AS THERE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN.

soghornetgunner on December 15, 2011 at 9:05 AM

The is some precedent for this in English and American law. It actually used to be pretty common here in the States.

If Wikipedia has its facts right, Arkansas was the last state to ban non-citizens from voting, in 1928.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States

I’m not saying its necessary a good or a bad idea… I’m just saying this isn’t unheard of.

adamcr on December 15, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Our immigration laws already clearly define who gets priority:
1. Wealthy
2. Educated
3. Family of US Citizens
4. Family of US Residents

Quotas are orthogonal to #3 & #4. They skew #1 & #2 somewhat but still bring us immigrants that are vastly more beneficial to our society than those who enter illegally (poor & uneducated).

risingson4 on December 15, 2011 at 9:28 AM

Any surprised about this attitude in the overwhelming Democrat/liberal enclave of Connecticut?

rplat on December 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM

“DeStefano, a Democrat, said illegal immigrants pay taxes indirectly through rent and send their kids to New Haven schools and should be able to vote.”

In that same vein, how about letting tourists vote. Anyone willing to visit the U.S. and help the economy by spending money here would be granted the right to vote. After all, tourists pay hospitality taxes, airport taxes, sales taxes and gasoline taxes, meal taxes and even property taxes indirectly through their hotels, and they don’t even get to send their kids to U.S. schools. We already have Birth Tourism, so Voter Tourism is a natural fit. The U.S. could be the Disney World of democracy.

Mark Ybel on December 15, 2011 at 10:04 AM

I came to the US when I was 10 years old, legally, with a green card. I was a resident alien for ten years, after which I became a US citizen through testing, interviews, applications, etc. Since then, I have proudly served in the US Army for 9+ years. Giving amnesty or even part of privileges of citizenship to illegal immigrants slaps every legal immigrant like myself (who includes my parents, who were tax-paying entrepreneurs for 20+ years before retiring) in his/her face. It is an INSULT to our sense of fair play and rule of law. And it does not address the bigger problem of criminal elements and terrorists getting into our country and wrecking havoc on our citizens. Citizenship to the US, the best country in the world and in the history of civilizations, is more precious than gold. Why anyone would want to give it away so carelessly is beyond my understanding, bordering on insanity. Anyone who want amnesty for all is basically asking for the destruction of America as we knew it. The sad thing is, as Reagan said before, there is no other place to go. This is the last place on Earth for liberty.

oddjob on December 15, 2011 at 10:04 AM

The entire claim that this is only for ‘municipal’ elections, is a lie. These elections aren’t separate, it gives illegals a foot in the door and are allowed to vote in state and federal elections. They’re given a voter registration card, it’s happened in Massachusetts, and the illegals were found to be voting in state and federal elections. This all went on under the not so tender mercies of Mitten Romney’s time as Massachusetts governor.

Ceolas on December 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM

17 years ago I worked on a jobsite in New Haven for 24 days.
I now demand the right to vote in their local elections.

Wallythedog on December 15, 2011 at 11:52 AM

I don’t want any taxes witheld from my future pay checks, I’ll just pay tax indirectly when I pay rent. Fair enough?

This whole illegal douchebaggery will rip this country apart. You might call me a kook but the states will start to cecede and people are going to have to choose a camp. Part of this country will be sacrificed to let the libtards play out their unicorn stuff and the rest of the country will go back to our traditional values.

Borders walls will be erected and firearms will be polished. In the future, a lot of people living in the libtard country will try to gain entry into the conservative country because the’ll see the prosperity and order. But they will not be allowed in because we believe in consequenses to ones actions.

Maybe far fetched but I think reality will be pretty close to what I’m predicting.

NapaConservative on December 15, 2011 at 11:55 AM

So let me get this right. He is willing to reward people breaking immigration laws with the legal right to vote. Wonderful. I can hardly wait to find out what he has in mind to reward the US citizen living in NH who refuses to city taxes.

stop2think on December 15, 2011 at 2:05 PM

Didn’t we sell New Haven?

lexhamfox on December 15, 2011 at 3:06 PM

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