LightSquared lobbyists pushing MN legislators to demand action from Klobuchar, Franken

posted at 2:25 pm on December 14, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Hot on the heels of catastrophically bad test results for LightSquared, their new strategy to get FCC approval for their commercial rollout has emerged — in St. Paul, Minnesota, of all places.  Last week, lobbyists started a full-court press on state legislators in an effort to pressure US Senators Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken into pushing for the FCC approval that the 75% failure rate in NTIA testing should disqualify.  While the lobbying efforts of the Lehman Group are not new — Minnesota State News announced their efforts back in September — the lobbying has taken a more urgent tone of late.

The e-mail, as MnSN wrote back in September, leans heavily on LightSquared as a popular project among rural voters, as well as a long list of current supporters.  However, it makes a few curious claims as well in light of more recent developments, and it’s worth highlighting a couple of them.  (The complete e-mail is at the end of the post.)

LightSquared has a contract with Best Buy, which plans to roll out a national branded Best Buy cell phone product using LightSquared’s network.  This is an exciting new business opportunity for this important Minnesota Company.

An important note for consumers is that the very low wholesale rates that LightSquared will be charging its retail partners means retail cell phone rates for LightSquared’s partners are expected to drop by 33-50%!  That is very good news at a time when business and household budgets are stretched.

Best Buy is indeed a big Minnesota-based company, and a LightSquared deal makes sense — especially if those claims on retail cell phone rates are true.  They almost certainly are — thanks to the waiver LightSquared got from the FCC to proceed with its plans, based on using a part of the spectrum it already owns and which is most emphatically not authorized for cell phone service.  Other cell phone companies had to buy cell-phone service spectrum at auction from the FCC and paid billions of dollars to do so.  If the FCC makes the waiver permanent, LightSquared can undercut prices on existing cell-phone providers — which is what LightSquared and its parent Harbinger intended all along.  It’s also why Sen. Charles Grassley and others are looking at the political connections between Harbinger and the Obama administration and the curious actions of the FCC to keep this project on course for a rollout.

The lobbyist letter mentions the issues of LightSquared’s interference with GPS devices — by blaming the long-existing GPS equipment:

The GPS industry has raised concerns about LightSquared’s signals causing interference for GPS devices. The inteference is caused because GPS devices have been mismanufacturerd to receive signals outside their FCC-authorized spectrum.  This means that when LightSquared broadcasts signals within its FCC-authorized spectrum, GPS devices “squatting” in the LightSquared spectrum pick up LightSquared’s signals.

First, this is absurd.  GPS devices are receivers, not transmitters, and receivers do not “squat” on spectrum.  They are built to receive very weak signals from satellites in space, which means they have to have a great deal of sensitivity.  This is the very reason why LightSquared’s spectrum was not authorized for cell phone service in the first place.  Second, the GPS industry has sold millions of these receivers for more years than LightSquared has attempted to get itself cell-phone spectrum on the cheap from a politically-allied administration.  They are not “mismanufactured” just because LightSquared now wants to establish terrestrial networks that will swamp out the satellite signals these devices need to receive in order to operate.

The letter continues:

Despite the fact that the GPS community has done nothing to mitigate a problem that is caused by its devices operating in LightSquared’s spectrum, the good news is that a fix is coming thanks to a significant financial investment by LightSquared.  In addition, several GPS manufacturers have come forward and are working with LightSquared on a fix that will restrict GPS devices to receiving signals only within their FCC-authorized spectrum.

Once again, the FCC authorizes spectrum to broadcasters, not receivers, but even so, this claim of a “fix” prompts another question.  Who has to pay for the “fix,” and will it work with all existing GPS devices already in the field?  Minnesota legislators who ask this question are told that the “fix” costs only 50 cents a unit, and that it will only take a “minor programming tweak.”  According to my source on Capitol Hill, that’s not so; it will take the addition of an antenna and other modifications to the unit to successfully pinpoint terrestrial location with a less-sensitive receiver.

On the question of who pays for fixing all of the existing GPS units, which would apparently entail sticking an antenna on millions of the newer-generation smartphones that provide GPS tracking, the lobbyist response is that because the devices are “mismanufactured,” their makers should issue recalls and retrofit at their expense.  They claim that the government would make Detroit automakers whose gas tanks explode in collisions fix the problem themselves.  Of course, these GPS devices are not exploding, and they operate perfectly well under the spectrum assignments the FCC has had in place for all the years before LightSquared wanted a waiver for the use of its satellite-communication frequencies, so it’s unlikely that the NTSB or Consumer Product Safety Commission will order a recall.

What does that mean?  It means that an FCC approval of LightSquared will force millions of people to abandon their current devices and buy the less-reliable and less-convenient devices that would have to take their place.  Harbinger won’t be paying for those retrofits, and neither will GPS manufacturers who would stand to make more money by forcing people to change out the devices at their own expense.  And even if the devices are retrofitted, how convenient would a smartphone with a big antenna be?

But what about the massive NTIA testing failure?  They have an explanation for that too — that the NTIA tested their system at much higher power levels than what will take place in the rollout of the LightSquared service.  Anticipating this argument, the satellite-communications industry blog TMF Associates explains the NTIA’s approach on power:

As I mentioned on Friday, the test results from the draft NTIA report indicated that 75% of cellular and general navigation devices suffer from harmful interference. These are the 400 million “cell phones and auto systems” whichLightSquared claimed were “already compatible” with its network, based on the “new plan, which was announced in June”. Now LightSquared claims that the tests did not take into account “a critical element in LightSquared’s mitigation proposal to manage the power from its network that GPS devices will be able to receive”. However, this “power on the ground” proposal was first set out in a presentation to the FCC in early September, and was never part of LightSquared’s June proposal. That was only a day or two before the NTIA mandated this further round of tests, so it is hardly surprising that it was not considered as part of the recent testing.

It is important to note that this phase of testing related to operation solely in the lower 10MHz block of L-band spectrum at LightSquared’s revised operational power limit of 32dBW (exactly as proposed by LightSquared in June). I understand that the test criteria was a limit of 1dB increase in the signal to noise ratio (rather than the 6dB that LightSquared originally proposed but the NTIA refused to accept), with line of sight to the tower. LightSquared’s newer “power on the ground” limits proposed in September do reduce the output power below 32dBW (to as little as 21dBW, i.e. ~15 times less) on the shortest towers (because these will produce the highest interference level close to the tower). However, LightSquared also proposes to increase these power levels by 3dB (i.e. double) in Jan 2015 and another 3dB (double again) in Jan 2017, so that far more towers will be operating at the 32dBW output level tested by the NTIA. Even a tall tower operating at the full power level could have a vehicle passing nearby in line of sight to the main beam, e.g. if the tower is next to an elevated roadway.

All in all, it is certainly true to say that the government conclusions are based on conservative assessments of interference (modest impact on devices in line of sight to a tower operating at the maximum power level). However, this is understandable when general navigation devices are relied on for vehicle safety, including in light aircraft.

Don’t forget that the FCC required LightSquared to pass this NTIA test as a condition of commercial rollout.  The NTIA concluded that “No additional testing is required to confirm harmful interference exists,” which means the FCC has to withdraw the waiver. Hence, we now see LightSquared’s lobbyists scrambling here in Minnesota to generate the kind of political pressure that could convince the FCC to change its mind, and if that’s happening in Minnesota, I’m willing to bet it’s happening in other states as well.

Here’s the e-mail that state legislators are receiving:

I’m writing to give you an update on a technology issue and to ask for your help.

I’m working on a rural technology issue that promises to provide universal 4G wireless broadband Internet and cell coverage to all rural residents by using a satellite instead of cell towers to transmit signals.   LightSquared is a private company seeking approval from the FCC to turn on its nationwide cell phone and wireless broadband Internet system that is based upon a patented satellite technology.*This technology will allow 4G signals anywhere in the U.S., even in areas without cell phone towers.  This promises tremendous new economic development opportunities for rural communities as well as assist First Responders and law enforcement personnel.

LightSquared has contracts with about 20 national and regional cell carriers so far, including Sprint and other carriers that serve Minnesota.

LightSquared has a contract with Best Buy, which plans to roll out a national branded Best Buy cell phone product using LightSquared’s network.  This is an exciting new business opportunity for this important Minnesota Company.

An important note for consumers is that the very low wholesale rates that LightSquared will be charging its retail partners means retail cell phone rates for LightSquared’s partners are expected to drop by 33-50%!  That is very good news at a time when business and household budgets are stretched.

The FCC concluded its public comment period on LightSquared’s application in August and is now reviewing that proposal.  It is expected that a decision will be issued later this Fall.

Support for Expanded Wireless Broadband Internet and Cell Coverage Grows

There is continuing and growing support for providing reliable wireless broadband and cell coverage to rural Minnesota and lower cell rates to urban residents.  This support is bipartisan and reflects leaders from rural, suburban and urban Minnesota communities.  Individual leaders and organizations from across Minnesota voicing their support by sending letters to the FCC and leaders in Minnesota’s congressional delegation include:

State Legislators:

*Senator Doug Magnus, Chair, Senate Agriculture and Rural Economies Committee;

*Senator Julie Rosen, Chair, Senate Energy, Utilities and Telecommunications Committee;

*Senator Geoff Michel, Chair, Senate Jobs and Economic Growth Committee;

*Senator Mike Parry, Chair, Senate State Government Innovation and Veterans Committee;

*Representative Rod Hamilton, Chair, House Agriculture and Rural Development Policy and Finance Committee;

*Representative Torrey Westrom, Chair, House Civil Law Committee;

*Representative Jim Abeler, Chair, House Health and Human Services Finance Committee;

*Representative Bob Gunther, Chair, House Jobs and Economic Development Finance Committee;

*Representative Dean Urdahl, Chair, House Legacy Funding Division;

*Senator Jeremy Miller;

*Senator David Brown;

*Senator Bill Ingebrigtsen;

*Senator Paul Gazelka;

*Representative Mary Franson;

*Representative Mike LeMieur;

*Represesentative Duane Quam; and

*Representative Joe Schomacker..

But this is not a partisan issue or a rural/metro issue.  DFL legislators also support expanded telecommunciations services in rural Minnesota and more affordable cell coverage in the Metro.  DFL legilsators contacting Washington on this issue include:

*Minority Leader Senator Tom Bakk;

*Assitant Minority Leader Senator Terri Bonoff;

*Senator LeRoy Stumpf;

*Senator Rod Skoe;

*Senator David Tomassoni;

*Senator Keith Langseth;

*Senator Tony Lourey;

*Senator Gary Kubly;

*Senator Dan Sparks;

*Senator Kathy Sheran;

*Senator Ron Latz;

*Senator Mary Jo McGuire;

*Senator Linda Higgins; and

*Senator Larry Pogemiller.

DFL State Representatives contacting Washington on this issue include:

*Minority Leader Representative Paul Thissen;

*Assistant Minority Leader Debra Hilstrom;

*Represenative Kent Eken;

*Representative Paul Marquart;

*Representative Tom Anzelc;

*Representative Tom Rukavina;

*Representative Carly Melin;

*Representative David Dill;

*Representative Tom Huntley;

*Representative John Ward;

*Representative Larry Hosch;

*Representative Andrew Falk;

*Representative Lyle Koenen;

*Representative Terry Morrow;

*Representative Patti Fritz;

*Representative Jeanne Poppe;

*Representative Steve Simon;

*Representative Sandra Peterson;

*Representative Jim Davnie;

*Representative Bobby Joe Champion;

*Representative Jeff Hayden;

*Representative Erin Murphy;

*Representative Rena Moran; and

*Representative Tim Mahoney.

County Commissioners and County Boards from Counties including:

·* Dodge;

·* Douglas;

·* Hennepin;

·* Grant;

·* Kanabec;

·* Koochiching;

·* McLeod;

·* Pope;

·* Renville; and.

·* Swift.

Organizations:

·* Economic Development Association of Minnesota;

·* Minnesota Association of Townships;

·* Minnesota Ambulance Association;

·* Minnesota Farmers Union;

·* Minnesota High Tech Association;

·* Minnesota Work Force Council Association; and

·* North Memorial Health Care (one of only three Level 1 Trauma centers in Minnesota)

GPS Interference Issue Being Resolved

The GPS industry has raised concerns about LightSquared’s signals causing interference for GPS devices. The inteference is caused because GPS devices have been mismanufacturerd to receive signals outside their FCC-authorized spectrum.  This means that when LightSquared broadcasts signals within its FCC-authorized spectrum, GPS devices “squatting” in the LightSquared spectrum pick up LightSquared’s signals.

Despite the fact that the GPS community has done nothing to mitigate a problem that is caused by its devices operating in LightSquared’s spectrum, the good news is that a fix is coming thanks to a significant financial investment by LightSquared.  In addition, several GPS manufacturers have come forward and are working with LightSquared on a fix that will restrict GPS devices to receiving signals only within their FCC-authorized spectrum.  Initial tests by three different companies have been positive and a conclusive solution is expected later this Fall.  One GPS manufacturer, JAVAD (http://www.amerisurv.com/content/view/9228/), is already marketing a LightSquared-compatible device.

Ag Groups Reverse Opposition to LightSquared

The response to this imminent GPS fix has been positive. A number of leading national ag groups, including the Farm Bureau, the Farmer’s Union, the Wheat Growers, the Sugar Alliance and the Potato Growers, have reversed their earlier opposition to LightSquared and are asking the Congress to push the FCC to move forward with a solution to this problem that protects GPS AND allows LightSquared to proceed.  A copy of their letter is attached.

How You Can Help

If you believe that rural Minnesota needs more tech jobs and consumers throughout Minnesota should have expanded cell phone and wireless broadband Internet options at lower prices, it would be helpful if you let Congressman Cravaack and Senators Klobuchar and Franken know and you urge them to contact the FCC.  A sample letter for your consideration is attached.

Please note that the “ask” in the letter is very simple and is based upon the postiion taken by the Farm Bureau, Farmers Union, Wheat Growers, Sugar Alliance and others – ask the FCC to reach a settlement that allows rural residents to enjoy the benefits of BOTH vital GPS services as well as expanded broadband wireless Internet and expanded call coverage.

This letter positions you in a “win-win” position:

·*You support farmers and the agricultural industry by making it clear that you oppose a solution that results in disruption to GPS signals vital to farmers.

·*At the same time, you are also an advocate for rural economic development and job creation.  You support the local Chambers of Commerce, economic development directors, county commissioners and others who seek enhanced opportunities for technology jobs in rural communities.  You recognize the technology deficits rural Minnesota faces in seeking to attract economic development.  You also support the First Responders and law enforcement personnel who need reliable and consistent cell phone coverage to communicate with hospitals, families, law enforcement personnel and others in times of crisis.

This “win-win” position is what former Senator Norm Coleman called for in an op-ed published this week in ROLL CALL, a Capitol Hill publication.  A copy of this piece is attached, fyi.

Thank you for your help on this.  Please let me know if you have any questions.  Also, can you please send me a copy of the final letters you send?


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He looks promising.

Trust me if the Democrats get their way on the 2 billion in tax hikes they want to push through – there are going to be some ticked off Minnesotans at the polls in 2014.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 7:05 PM

I wish him luck. There’d nothing I’d like better than see Franken be a one term Senator.

CoffeeLover on May 4, 2013 at 7:05 PM

I don’t have much faith in a populace that elected Franken to begin with..

melle1228 on May 4, 2013 at 7:06 PM

As the head of a financial services firm — Lazard Middle Market is a division of the international firm Lazard — McFadden may be able to kick-start a campaign with personal funds.

Franken won by outright fraud and the help of the lizard people. Now we have this dude from Lazard poising to challenge his absurd presence on Capital Hill.

Dissention in the ranks?

Happy Nomad on May 4, 2013 at 7:09 PM

The exit question has to be… is he good enough? Is he smart enough? Will they really, really like him?

That’s easy enough to answer. What are his positions on the issues? Is he a man of good character?

Stoic Patriot on May 4, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Man, I have a hard time apprehending that MN is a purple state, but I welcome local reports to prove me wrong. :)

22044 on May 4, 2013 at 7:15 PM

The challenger just has to find more missing ballots in his own trunk than Al Franken can find in his.

The Rogue Tomato on May 4, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Franken: Gosh darn it, people like me

No, they don’t. They really don’t.

trigon on May 4, 2013 at 7:19 PM

He will have the Lazard People vote.

I think Franken got all those last time around.

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Franken has done a wonderful job of quietly sitting in the corner and voting the way Ozero and Scum Ball Harry tell him to.

Never hear about the sorry SOB in these parts that often.

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 7:23 PM

You say Lizard, I say Lazard.

trigon on May 4, 2013 at 7:24 PM

A challenge to Al Franken?

Reality?

thatsafactjack on May 4, 2013 at 7:26 PM

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Since they got scammed by the Electronic Pull Tabs hoax, they gotta pay for that goddamn stadium some how or another.

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 7:27 PM

That state may elect clowns on a regular basis.. but they reject them too.. Remember a certain boa wearing former Governor who lied about being a SEAL?

UDT may be hardcore, but SEAL’s they weren’t.

I was an Air Force SP, Security ground combat specialist.. what they now call Security Forces.. I was trained as were my brethren by US Army Ranger qualified Airmen.. similar light infantry training, but I was not by any definition, a Ranger.. Though we were granted the privilege of a beret. War gamed with the 101st and 82nd in the late 70′s.. But the Rangers are our Gogfather, so to speak.. but we didn’t earn the Ranger patch.

That was the claim he maid on his service, and now he does a conspiracy theory nutjob show on cable.. if it’s even still on.

Franken, is just a nutjob..

a vote stealing, voting fraud using nutjob.. selected, not elected.. butt still an empty suit with rage issues nutjob, who attacks people physically on occasion..

mark81150 on May 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Not only was Franken’s “victory” disputed through several sketchy recount procedures, but it came in a three-way race.

His main rationale for reelection is that he has kept a relatively low profile and has been less of an embarrassment to the state than, say, Jesse Ventura.

Adjoran on May 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

This is a lazy article, Jazz. Isn’t your job to find out something about Mike McFadden, rather than just saying “Here’s this challenger….and I guess I don’t know anything about him, by golly.”

rbk2000 on May 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

That was the claim he maid on his service

sigh.. sometimes spellcheck doesn’t help when you’re typing fast.

mark81150 on May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM

rbk2000 on May 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

kinda harsh isn’t it?

Does anyone know much about him or this race yet? I like any post were we can beat up on that idiot Franken.. relives some stress.

mark81150 on May 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM

A wealthy Minneapolis finance executive appears poised to enter the race against first-term Democratic Sen. Al Franken.

So he makes more than $250,000 a year? #mediadoublestandard

HitNRun on May 4, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Gogfather

ok.. I’ll stop typing for a while.. I really need new glasses..

mark81150 on May 4, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Is the discount comedian already worried some Liberal judge won’t be able to let him steal enough votes?

viking01 on May 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM

No, The exit question has to be………just how many car trunks has Franken already filled with pre-marked ballots.

GarandFan on May 4, 2013 at 7:43 PM

A challenge to Al Franken?

You mean a legitimate election with no “surprise” ballots or prison inmates voting, right?

Glenn Jericho on May 4, 2013 at 7:43 PM

What has this Idiot done since he’s been in office? I don’t remember reading about one bill which he has written or co-sponsored with other Dem Idiots! All he does is vote for any bill submitted by the libtards! I think I just answered my own question! I guess that’s all they require their puppets to do and as a good follower, he does it! He is as good a Senator as he was a comedian! NOT! He sucks!!!

Jersey Dan on May 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Man, I have a hard time apprehending that MN is a purple state, but I welcome local reports to prove me wrong. :)

22044 on May 4, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Actually area wise there is more red than blue when you look at a map. Unfortunately the blue spots are the big urban centers and then you throw in a little voter fraud and well there you go.

The democrats are really over reaching with taxes and spending – plus they are giving themselves a 35% pay increase. In reading the online comments to news articles – most people claiming to be democrats are saying they won’t vote at all in the next election. That’s as good as vote for our side.

Unfortunately the state GOP here is pretty dumb. The previous chair and the current chair I think get it so hopefully they will be able to turn this back around.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Not only was Franken’s “victory” disputed through several sketchy recount procedures, but it came in a three-way race.

His main rationale for reelection is that he has kept a relatively low profile and has been less of an embarrassment to the state than, say, Jesse Ventura.

Adjoran on May 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Yep – Dean Barkley is pretty much responsible for ObamaCare. No Dean Barkley – no Al Franken – GOP is able to filibuster the bill.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 7:47 PM

A challenge to Al Franken?

…Mickey Mouse?

KOOLAID2 on May 4, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Gogfather
ok.. I’ll stop typing for a while.. I really need new glasses..

mark81150 on May 4, 2013 at 7:34 PM

That maid me laugh……

VegasRick on May 4, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Franken has done a wonderful job of quietly sitting in the corner and voting the way Ozero and Scum Ball Harry tell him to.

Never hear about the sorry SOB in these parts that often.

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 7:23 PM

Children and first term Senators are to be seen but not heard. Why the hell do you think the status quo goes crazy when Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, or Ted Cruz says stuff?

Happy Nomad on May 4, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I don’t have much faith in a populace that elected Franken to begin with..

melle1228 on May 4, 2013 at 7:06 PM

Except they didn’t elect him. Well, maybe the felons elected him. Franken got in through blatant, well documented election fraud.

WannabeAnglican on May 4, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I don’t have much faith in a populace that elected Franken to begin with..

melle1228 on May 4, 2013 at 7:06 PM

To be fair to the state’s voters, he stole the election, but we’re not supposed to mention that are we ??

cableguy615 on May 4, 2013 at 8:08 PM

melle1228 on May 4, 2013 at 7:06 PM

WannabeAnglican on May 4, 2013 at 8:07 PM

I don’t have much faith in a populace that gave him 49+% of the vote, so I guess I agree with both of you.

HitNRun on May 4, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Does anyone know much about him or this race yet? I like any post were we can beat up on that idiot Franken.. relives some stress.

mark81150 on May 4, 2013 at 7:33 PM

That is the first key question. If McFadden is a Chris Christie Republican who will vote for anything Obama wants and praises him while undercutting Conservatives; why should we care? In the absence of indications otherwise, today we have start with the assumption that he is a typical Institutional Republican.

That is first.

Second, Minnesota is now, like it or not, a state where Democrat fraud at whatever level necessary to win is now the norm. And accepted by both parties. The legitimacy of any election in a state like that is automatically not only suspect, but can be assumed to be stolen by the Left. How do they intend to fight the fraud that will make up a significant portion of the vote total, or do they just intend to assume that the Democrats will be good this time?

Subotai Bahadur on May 4, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Trust me if the Democrats get their way on the 2 billion in tax hikes they want to push through – there are going to be some ticked off Minnesotans at the polls in 2014.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 7:05 PM

You have to remember, he was elected by low-information voters. They will never know about the tax hikes or be told it only applies to billionaires.

Alabama Infidel on May 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM

He’s exactly the type of republican who won’t win, ie rich. Honestly, the only person who could maybe beat Franken is Jim Ramstad. There should be more talk of him running.

IR-MN on May 4, 2013 at 8:17 PM

You have to remember, he was elected by low-information voters. They will never know about the tax hikes or be told it only applies to billionaires.

Alabama Infidel on May 4, 2013 at 8:14 PM

One of the tax increases being proposed is a tax on clothes. Everybody will feel that.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 8:17 PM

He’s exactly the type of republican who won’t win, ie rich. Honestly, the only person who could maybe beat Franken is Jim Ramstad. There should be more talk of him running.

IR-MN on May 4, 2013 at 8:17 PM

I think Pawlenty would win if he ran.

Have you seen this guy – Scott Honour who is running for Governor? I liked him on Facebook and so far I like what he has to say.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 8:19 PM

How in the world did Al Franken get elected to the US Senate?

I know MN is a liberal state, but Al Franken?

Al Franken, US Senator from Minnesota.

ColtsFan on May 4, 2013 at 8:22 PM

I am totally confident that Al Franken will cheat his way back to DC.

Again.

Moesart on May 4, 2013 at 8:25 PM

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Honour looks like a classy guy, but this state elects literally the dregs of society. No hope. Pawlenty would lose; he’s as popular as Coleman. Right now, we’re looking at Dayton and Franklen reelected. This isn’t the 2002-2004 MN that looked more competitive.

IR-MN on May 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM

frankenstein got elected because a third party candidate siphoned enough votes from Coleman which got the race close enough that the soros funded secretary of state (ritchey) could find a way for franken to some how just get enough votes to win. Coleman was no prize and may of been squishy but he was a lot better than the jackwad franken. If he is running against franken and is not a liberal democrat I already like him. There was talk that Jason Davis, a radio talk show celeb might jump in. We need to clean up the place but our governor and the dem legislature that the stoopids in Minnesota voted for are living up to their party symbol……bunch of tax happy jackasses…. folks if you think you got no representation…try this line up…keith the muslim ellison, amy the don’t do anything klobuchar and al the jerk franken…then mark dayton and my two legislators list so far to the left, are supposed to represent me and my family….ya sure you betcha…..

crosshugger on May 4, 2013 at 8:33 PM

A challenge to Al Franken?

…Mickey Mouse?

KOOLAID2 on May 4, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Doubt it, Mickey will be voting for him!

cableguy615 on May 4, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Isn’t Ramstad a bit squishy?

crosshugger on May 4, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Honour looks like a classy guy, but this state elects literally the dregs of society. No hope. Pawlenty would lose; he’s as popular as Coleman. Right now, we’re looking at Dayton and Franklen reelected. This isn’t the 2002-2004 MN that looked more competitive.

IR-MN on May 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Is Minnesota famous for the wooded outdoors, hunting, 10,000 lakes, nature, wildlife, etc…etc?

I just figured MN would have a higher-than average group of 2nd amendment voters?

ColtsFan on May 4, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Al Franken, US Senator from Minnesota.

ColtsFan on May 4, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Kinda has a nice ring to it….

Kinda like Barrack Obama, President of the United States.

*gag*

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Except they didn’t elect him. Well, maybe the felons elected him. Franken got in through blatant, well documented election fraud.

WannabeAnglican on May 4, 2013 at 8:07 PM

…and don’t think they are not even more inspired witnessing how easy it was to defraud an elecion at the federal level.

Stuart Smalldick knows he has nothing to fear.

cableguy615 on May 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I just figured MN would have a higher-than average group of 2nd amendment voters?

ColtsFan on May 4, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Well, you have to consider the Twin Cities…they have a serious case of Left Coast Envy to go along with a serious population advantage.

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Is Minnesota famous for the wooded outdoors, hunting, 10,000 lakes, nature, wildlife, etc…etc?

I just figured MN would have a higher-than average group of 2nd amendment voters?

ColtsFan on May 4, 2013 at 8:34 PM

We did manage to push off the gun grab this year. HUGE accomplishment.

Best grass roots campaign for the good guys I’ve seen in awhile around here.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Well, you have to consider the Twin Cities…they have a serious case of Left Coast Envy to go along with a serious population advantage.

BigWyo on May 4, 2013 at 8:39 PM

You pegged that right.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 8:44 PM

As a Minnesotan PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get Franken out!

TheOarsman on May 4, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The democratics can steal elections in Minnesota. Unless election laws there are cleaned up they will continue to steal them.

This is one of the reasons the Republicans were able to hold the House. It’s much more difficult to steal House seats because the big vote theft operations are in the democratic inner cities. They can steal the Senate and the Presidency, but not the House.

slickwillie2001 on May 4, 2013 at 9:20 PM

To be fair to the state’s voters, he stole the election, but we’re not supposed to mention that are we ??

cableguy615 on May 4, 2013 at 8:08 PM

…and that’s why they will continue to get away with it.

slickwillie2001 on May 4, 2013 at 9:23 PM

The Minnesota GOP is in shambles.

When they won the State legislature in 2010 they insisted on governing like the minority, so they were booted back to that comfortable status last year.

The only hope against Franken is a long-shot Jason Lewis run.

Dayton has the job as long as he wants it.

Bruno Strozek on May 4, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Apparently Minnesotans act funny think funny and talk funny.

They used to make fun of the guy from Minnesota on my crew and now I know why.

Sherman1864 on May 4, 2013 at 10:09 PM

Please, get him out!

MT on May 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Minnesota has a history of electing some strange politicians at times, no matter which party you’re from. But few of their notably quirky elections could match the time they sent Al Franken to the Senate.

Actually the Democrat Activist Judges did that.

Del Dolemonte on May 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM

For a richly detailed look at how the Democrats Stole that Senate Seat, go to the Power Line Blog archives.

Del Dolemonte on May 4, 2013 at 10:14 PM

the state should be crawling with lawyers

and the person who should be under the microscope, given a rigid colonoscopy is Mark Ritchie, who helped engineer the fraudulent outcome of Franken’s election.

the honest voters of Minnesota were disenfranchised, denied their civil rights by having the election stolen.

where’s the media scrutiny.

with all the snow in Minnesota, the state deserves some sunshine on the shady practices of the democrats

wholefoodsrepublican on May 4, 2013 at 11:00 PM

A challenge to Al Franken

I’ll take that for $400 Alex. What is a jigsaw puzzle marked 2-4 years?

The Rogue Tomato on May 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

A challenge to Al Franken?

Being funny.
Tying his own shoelaces.
Getting elected without blatant election fraud.

S. D. on May 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM

being a midwestern born boy who appreciated scandinavian and german work ethic I almost worship Minneapolis. After working for an Edina company and visiting the Minne Aplle quite a bit as an adult, I have experienced the crap roads, the excessive welfare benfits the rampant alcohol and drug use.

The increased crime and murder and gands in the minney apple were astoundind, downtown is a boring cesspool.

I no longer want to emulate or even visit there.

Shame.

But I guess thats what the want there, I hope they enjoy their cesspool.

losarkos on May 4, 2013 at 11:33 PM

If election fraud is so blatant as it is in Minnesota, then why can’t something be done about it? Why does it continue? Are people that stupid and weak?

HiJack on May 4, 2013 at 11:42 PM

The Minnesota GOP is in shambles.

When they won the State legislature in 2010 they insisted on governing like the minority, so they were booted back to that comfortable status last year.

The only hope against Franken is a long-shot Jason Lewis run.

Dayton has the job as long as he wants it.

Bruno Strozek on May 4, 2013 at 9:26 PM

Yeah, they really screwed us voters over big time. The Amy Koch scandal didn’t help matters either. I’ve lost most hope for regaining either the house or the senate anytime soon with the party in shambles. If we can at least win back the governorship in 2014 it could do some good. I wouldn’t mind seeing Emmer try again. Maybe he’ll learn to sling the crap right back at Dayton this time. He would have and would still make a great governor.

I see the senate race as winnable, but we need someone who understands the economy and someone who has name recognition. My pick is Jason Lewis, who has a radio program at 5PM (central) on KTLK. He’s super smart, and while we leans a bit more libertarian than I am, I could easily vote for him. Heck, I’d love to work for his campaign if he announces. I have no idea who this McFadden guy is.

Othniel on May 4, 2013 at 11:48 PM

What has this Idiot done since he’s been in office?

Jersey Dan on May 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM

He helped ram Obamacare down our throats.

And if we’re really arrived at the point where obviously-deranged, thoroughly unlikeable clowns like Franken are viewed as nigh-unbeatable, then it’s frakking OVER.

Cylor on May 5, 2013 at 12:01 AM

If election fraud is so blatant as it is in Minnesota, then why can’t something be done about it? Why does it continue? Are people that stupid and weak?

HiJack on May 4, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Democratics put victory before the rule of law and the Constitution. It’s almost a platform of their party, quite the opposite of what Republicans believe.

The international socialists put it most succinctly when they say “there is no truth but that which serves The Cause.”

slickwillie2001 on May 5, 2013 at 12:10 AM

MN is home to many Scandinavians which equals socialist. The populace has not only gotten Franken into office via fraud and third party candidate Dean Barkley, but they have also voted in the most God awful constitutional amendments in recent years. Those things cements the case for the voting public in MN being either totally stupid or gullible or both.

Dasher on May 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM

I see the senate race as winnable, but we need someone who understands the economy and someone who has name recognition. My pick is Jason Lewis, who has a radio program at 5PM (central) on KTLK. He’s super smart, and while we leans a bit more libertarian than I am, I could easily vote for him. Heck, I’d love to work for his campaign if he announces. I have no idea who this McFadden guy is.

Othniel on May 4, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I live in MN too and also have never heard of this McFadden guy. Jason Lewis has my vote.

Dasher on May 5, 2013 at 12:54 AM

I don’t have much faith in a populace that gave him 49+% of the vote, so I guess I agree with both of you.

HitNRun on May 4, 2013 at 8:09 PM

He got about 44% of the vote. As did Coleman. The rest went to the third party candidate. There are a lot of even reliably red states where the Democrat candidate, regardless of his/her ineptitude or incompetence, can expect to pull 44% of the vote.

I expect he’ll pull a lot higher in ’14, because he’s basically done and said pretty much nothing, and just quietly rubber-stamped every Harry Reid proposal. The only bills he’s co-sponsored have to do with improving Veterans’ benefits, which makes him seem rational and moderate. So, he’ll pull his old 44%, plus a good chunk of people who voted third party last time, leery of what a Franken in the Senate might do to embarrass Minnesota, which he has been smart enough not to do.

He won’t exactly cruise to victory, but it won’t be all that close of a race.

Sadly.

notropis on May 5, 2013 at 1:14 AM

If Al can get voted out and Mark Begich too, I will be happy.

tbear44 on May 5, 2013 at 3:59 AM

MN is home to many Scandinavians which equals socialist. The populace has not only gotten Franken into office via fraud and third party candidate Dean Barkley, but they have also voted in the most God awful constitutional amendments in recent years. Those things cements the case for the voting public in MN being either totally stupid or gullible or both.

This state is extremely politically correct because of its heritage. Very concerned about appearing “nice” and “caring” and “open-minded” (whatever those words mean). All has to do with being popular and loved and accepted; very important in a socialist — not independent — society. Appearances, not substance. It makes for a great tragic comedy.

RobertMN on May 5, 2013 at 8:09 AM

I still can’t get over the fact that a SNL cast member with little to NO political experience got elected to anything political in the first place, much less to the Senate.

He failed at his next “profession” after SNL…… (radio)which had terrible ratings….so then, he ran for the Senate. Honestly, why would any sane person have voted for a guy that couldn’t even take care of his own finances ($79,000 in back taxes owed at the time of the election)?

I realize that election fraud helped push him over with a smattering of “found” votes in a car trunk, but why in hades was this race even this close?

avagreen on May 5, 2013 at 8:34 AM

This is a lazy article, Jazz. Isn’t your job to find out something about Mike McFadden, rather than just saying “Here’s this challenger….and I guess I don’t know anything about him, by golly.”

rbk2000 on May 4, 2013 at 7:29 PM

I thought Ed had a monopoly on Minnesota articles.

Since this is not a presidential election year race, I think a good GOP candidate would have a chance. The NRA voters will be out and Obama’s approval is sliding down and the job market and economy are stagnant which is not good for the incumbent party. Obamacare looks like it is going to be a bust too. If the GOP can’t win in that environment when would it.?

KW64 on May 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Othniel and Dasher, what part of Minnieso-tuh did yous guys (youses) live in? :)

I lived for a small amount of time in both Virginia and in Eveleth, Minnieso-tuh as a child. Beautiful place. It was in Spring & Summer while my dad worked on the Mountain Iron Mine……huge pit in the ground…..I heard the words, Mesabi Range, a lot.

From looking at the pic here, it seems now to be filled with…..water?

avagreen on May 5, 2013 at 8:50 AM

The exit question has to be… is he good enough? Is he smart enough? Will they really, really like him?

no the question was is and always will be what type of character does he have, what are his policies and positions on the issues and will he stick to those campaign promises once elected.

unseen on May 5, 2013 at 9:40 AM

If the GOP can’t win in that environment when would it.?

KW64 on May 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM

once they get rid of Rove and the other establishment “consultants” and return to Reaganism the GOP will be able to win in any environment.

unseen on May 5, 2013 at 9:42 AM

He helped ram Obamacare down our throats.

And if we’re really arrived at the point where obviously-deranged, thoroughly unlikeable clowns like Franken are viewed as nigh-unbeatable, then it’s frakking OVER.

Cylor on May 5, 2013 at 12:01 AM

the obamacare vote will only matter if the GOP challenger decides to use that vote against him. If Mitt would have used Obamacare as a wedge issue and run on repeal he would have won.

I totally agree with your last point. Our “elected” leaders are all jokes and clowns. In that regard AL fits right in.

unseen on May 5, 2013 at 9:46 AM

If election fraud is so blatant as it is in Minnesota, then why can’t something be done about it? Why does it continue? Are people that stupid and weak?

HiJack on May 4, 2013 at 11:42 PM

the victors of said election fraud will not give up their edge easily and since they control the enforcement it will take an outside group like the FBI to fix the issue. The next GOP POTUS whoever it maybe really needs to crack down on fraud and restore confidence in our voting process.

unseen on May 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

The next GOP POTUS whoever it maybe really needs to crack down on fraud and restore confidence in our voting process.

unseen on May 5, 2013 at 9:49 AM

Agreed; but we have a chicken and egg problem there. Until you win the Presidential election you cannot reform the fraud that keeps you from winning elections. Bush tried to push Federal Prosecuters to take on the fraud in various states but if he replaced them for refusing to act he got hammered for making the Justice Dept. partisan. Now when Obama has made it completely a tool for the DNC and his own administration the same media that howled against Bush sits silent.

The GOP has to win and has to ignore the entrenched left that defends the fraud it is rooting out. To defer to the state government that was elected by fraud to root out the fraud is a complete cop-out.

KW64 on May 5, 2013 at 10:02 AM

but they have also voted in the most God awful constitutional amendments in recent years. Those things cements the case for the voting public in MN being either totally stupid or gullible or both.

Dasher on May 5, 2013 at 12:51 AM

We’ve gone from a purple state back to basically blue. I don’t see much hope for the future until there’s some sort of national realignment.

IR-MN on May 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM

I still can’t get over the fact that a SNL cast member with little to NO political experience got elected to anything political in the first place, much less to the Senate.

What amazes me is that the guy moved away from MN as soon as he could(age 17/18) and only moved back 40 years later so he could run for senate.(Which of course since he won he basically had to move to DC. If he lost, well ok he would have moved away to either NY or LA.) I mean if that doesn’t scream that he hates his constituency I don’t what would.

Anyway I’m of the opinion the best way to beat Franken is to basically goad him until he loses his temper, preferably at a debate.(Even better if he loses it so badly he actually starts assaulting people again. That would cause him to lose.)

Dave_d on May 5, 2013 at 11:09 AM

If Al can get voted out and Mark Begich too, I will be happy.

tbear44 on May 5, 2013 at 3:59 AM

Begich has Minny roots up in Ev-let. (Eveleth)

BTW, Wasilla, Alaska has a lot of Iron Range ties.

That’s why Sarah Palin seems to talk “funny” to the un-educated ear.

avagreen on May 5, 2013 at 8:50 AM

Blue Devil and Golden Bear? Yipes.

How’d ya work that out?

Bruno Strozek on May 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

The dead voting early and often could keep Franken alive.

TimBuk3 on May 5, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Ahh, yes. Minnesota. Home to a hostile Muslim congressman, and a washed-up has-been comedian senator.

friendlygrizzly on May 5, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Franken frauded his way into the Senate and Republicans did little about it. Since then he has done nothing of note, as his real voters may have noticed by now. The challenger must win by at least 5% and must have a strategy for dealing with voter fraud the minute it becomes known (preferably before election day).

virgo on May 5, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Yep – Dean Barkley is pretty much responsible for ObamaCare. No Dean Barkley – no Al Franken – GOP is able to filibuster the bill.

gophergirl on May 4, 2013 at 7:47 PM

It’s actually worse than that.

Thousands of votes went to Libertarian and Constitution party candidates. If those morons would have just “stayed home” and voted for the evil Republican, we may not have had Obamacare.

But they voted for their principles, and look where that got us.

strictnein on May 5, 2013 at 4:53 PM