Poll: Democrats drive increasing fear of big government

posted at 9:10 pm on December 12, 2011 by Tina Korbe

No matter how hard I try to be optimistic when I watch the GOP debates, I almost always come away feeling nervous about November 2012. But, then, I come across an encouraging indicator about the general direction in which public opinion has moved since 2008. Low Obama approval. High Obamacare disapproval. Increased numbers of independents, in general — drawn more from Democratic ranks than Republican. And I feel hopeful again.

Today, this Gallup poll served that hope-reviving purpose. As it turns out, whatever the Occupy Wall Street protests seem to signify, a majority of Americans fear big government more than they fear big business. Specifically, 64 percent of Americans say they think big government will be the biggest threat to the country in the future, while just 26 percent name big business as the biggest threat.

That’s not unprecedented or anything: Historically, Americans have always been more apt to be wary of government than business. In fact, in 1999 and 2000, an ever-so-slightly larger percentage of Americans — 65 compared with today’s 64 — said they see big government as a threat.

But what is notable about the recent rise in distrust of big government is that it has been driven by Democrats. Gallup reports:

Almost half of Democrats now say big government is the biggest threat to the nation, more than say so about big business, and far more than were concerned about big government in March 2009. The 32% of Democrats concerned about big government at that time — shortly after President Obama took office — was down significantly from a reading in 2006, when George W. Bush was president.

By contrast, 82% of Republicans and 64% of independents today view big government as the biggest threat, slightly higher percentages than Gallup found in 2009.

Lower percentages of Democrats, Republicans and independents are now concerned about big business than was the case in 2009.

If polls teach us anything, it’s that public opinion is perennially changing, but I still think this demonstrates in some small way the American people’s astute understanding — at a time of 8.6 percent unemployment — that jobs depend on expanding businesses, whereas increased government very often creates perverse incentives that undermine economic growth. And that should have electoral implications.


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Diane Sawyers alone makes them fear big Gov.

Electrongod on December 12, 2011 at 9:13 PM

The Nov 2010 election scorecard is my saving grace….followed by the question, “Have things improved since then?”…the death of Osama using Bush policies, what else? Employment? Foreign relations? Oil prices? Unity? Economic indicators? NADA…it will be a blood bath Tina…

hillsoftx on December 12, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Raaaacists.

Marxism is for dummies on December 12, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Almost half of Democrats now say big government is the biggest threat to the nation,

well that is interesting, especially since they are the morons who usually vote for the socialist agenda. WTF did they THINK was going to happen.. unicorns farts and rainbows??? Oh wait!

upinak on December 12, 2011 at 9:27 PM

it will be a blood bath Tina…

hillsoftx on December 12, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I wish I could be as confident as you. I don’t doubt the poll Tina linked to, but the number of dirty tricks, instances of intimidation, and voter fraud the Dems will use, will be unprecedented.

Flora Duh on December 12, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Small is beautiful, to coin a phrase, and with a few caveats added.

Drained Brain on December 12, 2011 at 9:32 PM

I can understand people that hate Big Business because they are ideologically opposed to free markets and profit but I can’t understand a fear of Big Business.

Unlike Big Government, Big Business can’t take from you, can’t regulate your life, nor mandate interactions with them.

I’d like a few follow up questions posed to those that claim to fear business.

prodigalson on December 12, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Almost half of Democrats now say big government is the biggest threat to the nation

Just the instinct of parasites not to kill their host. Without business, government cannot pick winners and losers, cannot loot the productive to give to their constituents.

Rebar on December 12, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Watch out! Remember, there is no creature on this Earth more vicious than a cornered rat. Or should I say Democ-rat?
Neither scruple nor hesitation nor even the smallest crumb of mercy, will slow them down or keep them from doing whatever they need to do, in order to stay in power.

Lew on December 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

What’s the worst thing Wal-Mart or Microsoft or Halliburton can do to you?

What’s the worst thing the federal government can do to you?

If you don’t fear government more than business then you’re not paying attention.

daveundis on December 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

I wish I could be as confident as you. I don’t doubt the poll Tina linked to, but the number of dirty tricks, instances of intimidation, and voter fraud the Dems will use, will be unprecedented.

Flora Duh on December 12, 2011 at 9:29 PM

yes, plus voter suppression of Rs because of demoralization, division and vicious attacks on the morals, character of the R candidate. Perhaps some sealed court records somewhere…or a friendly journo to fabricate an affair…with a minor…of the same sex. Whatever It Takes

r keller on December 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM

Bless this internet that allows us to get a list like this and quell our fears of ignorance.

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All-Agencies/index.shtml

All of these are stuffed with federal workers. The DOE this year had a budget of over 23 billion and we are still on foreign oil. The ED cost us 60 billion to tell the departments of education in the states what the states tell the departments of education to the cities and they in turn tell the departments of education in the school districts what’s what. How does this make any sense? Here in New York State it’s a regents state and the test for history in New york City is the same in Buffalo. It takes all these people to come up with this? The ED employes about five thousand. The DOE 16,000.

mixplix on December 12, 2011 at 9:44 PM

This is why what passes for “conventional wisdom” in Washington is wrong.

When people are secure, they care about minor issues.

When the ship is in a storm, they don’t care if the Captain has a drinking problem, if he’s been unfaithful to his wife, etc.

Especially if the alternative is a worthless incompetent.

That’s the situation we are in.

NoDonkey on December 12, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Specifically, 64 percent of Americans say they think big government will be the biggest threat to the country in the future, while just 26 percent name big business as the biggest threat.

Not many businesses can force you to buy one of their products or us their services (Controversial and Unconstitutional Obamacare not withstanding)

Can the same be said about the feral government?

Chip on December 12, 2011 at 9:46 PM

Almost half of Democrats now say big government is the biggest threat to the nation

Just the instinct of parasites not to kill their host. Without business, government cannot pick winners and losers, cannot loot the productive to give to their constituents.

Rebar on December 12, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Wait! Are you calling some people parasites!

(Playing the role of crr6 here..)

Chip with a prog in her throat on December 12, 2011 at 9:49 PM

November 6th..

Republican Yogi on December 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Its sad that we only have these guys running against 0bama. Then I realize I’d vote for a turnip before I’d ever vote for 0bama.

ManWithNoName on December 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM

This is why what passes for “conventional wisdom” in Washington is wrong.

When people are secure, they care about minor issues.

When the ship is in a storm, they don’t care if the Captain has a drinking problem, if he’s been unfaithful to his wife, etc.

Especially if the alternative is a worthless incompetent.

That’s the situation we are in.

NoDonkey on December 12, 2011 at 9:44 PM

Obama can’t be incompetent, just look at his college transcripts…..

Chip on December 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM

This.

The Nov 2010 election scorecard is my saving grace….followed by the question, “Have things improved since then?”…the death of Osama using Bush policies, what else? Employment? Foreign relations? Oil prices? Unity? Economic indicators? NADA…it will be a blood bath Tina…

hillsoftx on December 12, 2011 at 9:16 PM

Wolfen on December 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM

November 6th..

Republican Yogi on December 12, 2011 at 9:50 PM

The most watched day of the century.
Can’t wait.

Electrongod on December 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM

They only hate big government because it came to fast and they are not their side controlling it. If the progressives just slow down a little big then they can get their big government and no one will know how did that happen.

Gingrich said he did not want individual mandate in healthcare but now we have it for mandated and allocated carbon use, how did that happen he said he was small government in December even if he said the opposite in July.

tjexcite on December 12, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Paging Erneto. Paging Sesque. Paging the pedophile defending Pablo.

Anyone home?

Bueller?

angryed on December 12, 2011 at 9:55 PM

The problem isn’t just big government. The problem is BIG, DISTANT, OPAQUE and UNLIMITED government. And the real irony is that we’ve been down this road before. We’ve seen this movie and we know how it ends.
Sooner or later, the contest over control of unlimited power, becomes unlimited itself. When that happens, we won’t be counting ballots….We’ll be counting bodies!

Lew on December 12, 2011 at 9:58 PM

How can any rational human being fear business while embracing an unlimited govt?

angryed on December 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Keep in mind that it was the perfect storm for Obama to win in 2008. The economy had just nose-dived, nobody liked the Republicans, a huge get-out-the-vote drive among the youth, the first black president and the most vacuous appeals to emotion with Hope N Change.

Obama has none of these this time.

John the Libertarian on December 12, 2011 at 10:03 PM

and with a few caveats added.

Drained Brain on December 12, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Er, yes.

John the Libertarian on December 12, 2011 at 10:05 PM

28 Kislev 5772 – December 24 2011

flameofjudah on December 12, 2011 at 10:08 PM

All this is meaningless

flameofjudah on December 12, 2011 at 10:09 PM

And not the Reps?

AshleyTKing on December 12, 2011 at 10:11 PM

What’s the worst thing Wal-Mart or Microsoft or Halliburton can do to you?
What’s the worst thing the federal government can do to you?
If you don’t fear government more than business then you’re not paying attention.
daveundis on December 12, 2011 at 9:40 PM

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Green eyed Lady on December 12, 2011 at 10:22 PM

I can understand people that hate Big Business because they are ideologically opposed to free markets and profit but I can’t understand a fear of Big Business. Unlike Big Government, Big Business can’t take from you, can’t regulate your life, nor mandate interactions with them.

I’d like a few follow up questions posed to those that claim to fear business.

prodigalson on December 12, 2011 at 9:35 PM

About half of them (whether they realize it or not) are really afraid of government collusion with big business.

The other 13% are the hardcore radical leftists. And you already know everything there will ever be to know about them.

logis on December 12, 2011 at 10:25 PM

So many of you are too young to remember Carter, but none of you should forget the 2010 midterms.

Come on, people. Now is not the time to go wobbly.

fossten on December 12, 2011 at 10:40 PM

End of day, this is the socialist nightmare. It shows there are still more Americans that don’t want free sh!t than do! That they still treasure liberty over nanny state. The progressives will never understand it, they will just wonder why people are voting against their perceived best interests.

“How dis this happen, I do not know anyone who voted for him!” Newscaster about Reagan being elected

bluemarlin on December 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM

it will be a blood bath Tina…

hillsoftx on December 12, 2011 at 9:16 PM

I wish I could be as confident as you. I don’t doubt the poll Tina linked to, but the number of dirty tricks, instances of intimidation, and voter fraud the Dems will use, will be unprecedented.

Flora Duh on December 12, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Yeah, I’m with Flora. I don’t think this is going to be a slam dunk.

climbnjump on December 12, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Scarier still is when big gov. and big business join in a crony capitalist symbiosis known as fascism. Too bad the founding fathers didn’t enshrine a separation of gov. and business in the Constitution.

xstatic on December 12, 2011 at 11:22 PM

Remember the Soros-funded Secretary of State Project? What about ACORN? They are still government-funded, even if they have changed their monikers. Project Vote is alive and growing. The threat of massive voter fraud looms over the country from one end to the other. “And the dead shall rise” – and cast their votes for the Democrats. And don’t forget all the Disney characters in every state of the Union – Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Daisy Duck. Oh, and sports figures, too. Like the starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys. The system of actual, honest, one person-one vote doesn’t have a chance against this kind of massive fraud. I live in West Virginia, and I know whereof I speak. We have counties where the registered Democratic voters are 110% of the actual adult population. Why do you think the Democrats are so opposed to positively identifying voters at the polling places? Why do they hand deliver ballots to the prisons and are somehow unable to make sure all of our soldiers overseas make their votes be counted? This country is being subverted by the Democratic, Progressive apparatus more and more every year, every election. And the mainstream media are co-conspirators. Am I paranoid? Nah!

Elric on December 12, 2011 at 11:36 PM

“Historically, Americans have always been more apt to be wary of government than business.”

Yes. Which underscores what an anomaly 2008 was. Of course, it helped The One, rather enormously, that he had the MSM going after McCain like a famished black bear on a jar of Skippy. But Americans are smart, most of the time, and 2012 will reestablish that.

minnesoter on December 12, 2011 at 11:39 PM

It’s hard to be progressive when your house is upside down and payments are way past due. Reality strikes again.

BullShooterAsInElk on December 12, 2011 at 11:43 PM

Obama, biggest loser!

Schadenfreude on December 12, 2011 at 11:58 PM

The “64% fear Big Government” poll result is all fine and well, but add to that the relatively small number (8%) who fear Big Labor more than the other two options. Add those two proportions together and you get 72% who think that Big Government and/or Big Labor will be “the biggest threat to the country in the future”; nearly a 3:1 margin over the ones who fear Big Business.

It would’ve been interesting to see each question asked individually–each person polled asked three questions, formatted as “In your opinion, will big ________ be a threat to the country in the future?” I’d guess that many of those who listed Big Government as #1 would also be concerned, but to a somewhat lesser extent, about Big Labor.

Mr. Prodigy on December 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM

The 32% of Democrats concerned about big government at that time

The other 68% depend on the big nanny for their gubmint handouts.

tommy-t on December 13, 2011 at 12:00 AM

It is over for Bari and his gang of thieves! The ppl will turn out by the millions to push, the one, back to chicago! So many ppl will show, voter fraud will be impossible. Look for the first speaking engagement one year from now in Hawaii.

angrymike on December 13, 2011 at 12:04 AM

the most vacuous appeals to emotion with Hope N Change.

John the Libertarian on December 12, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Our once great country elected a man who pushed the phrase “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” What a low point.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 13, 2011 at 12:05 AM

This country is being subverted by the Democratic, Progressive apparatus more and more every year, every election. And the mainstream media are co-conspirators. Am I paranoid? Nah!

Elric on December 12, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Great bit, you nglected to include the GOProgressives though.

tommy-t on December 13, 2011 at 12:06 AM

DemoFASCISTS losing faith in HUGE government? WoW.

wildcat72 on December 13, 2011 at 12:27 AM

This is actually a worldwide trend. Governments are undermining liberties and preventing people from doing their utmost.

ojfltx on December 13, 2011 at 12:27 AM

There are no “Democrats” anymore…only “Leftists”.
My dad was a Democrat…Scoop Jackson was a Democrat…Sam Nunn was a Democrat. I repeat…. There are no Democrats!
Is McCain a Republican?
I wanna puke!

KOOLAID2 on December 13, 2011 at 12:30 AM

I’m yet to see a Big Business smash down my door and haul me off to prison for not wanting to deal with them.

Understanding that one little fact makes the motivation of the Tea Party far mor understnadable than the motivation of the OWS.

jaydee_007 on December 13, 2011 at 12:31 AM

Four more years of the current regime scares the hell out of me. How many more bureaucracies and Czars? Also the Newt “FDR was the greatest president of the 20th century” bandwagon isn’t very comforting either. Don’t get me wrong I’ll take Newt over the current occupant of the white house any day. But can we stop pretending that he is a conservative?

D-Bar on December 13, 2011 at 12:52 AM

Mom asked me today about Newt, and I told her about some of my reservations about him then added “The sole of Newt’s shoe would make a better President than what we have now”

Mini-14 on December 13, 2011 at 12:55 AM

I still think this demonstrates in some small way the American people’s astute understanding — at a time of 8.6 percent unemployment — that jobs depend on expanding businesses, whereas increased government very often creates perverse incentives that undermine economic growth. And that should have electoral implications.

This.

(and not “should”….”will”)

Tim_CA on December 13, 2011 at 1:07 AM

Realty check people: when Dems say they fear big government they mean “military industrial complex”, not Obama’s army off statist czars.

peski on December 13, 2011 at 2:19 AM

Maybe the dims became upset when they learned that they still have to pay their rent and buy gas even with president downgrade “occupying” the oval office…

hoff on December 13, 2011 at 4:25 AM

The problem with this poll is that it has 3 choices. Big Government, Big Business and Big Labor. But Big Government and Big Labor have morphed into one in the same. Union power has fallen sharply since the 70s. Competition from non-union companies in private industry has driven union shops to a 40 year low. Private unions now control a small fraction of industries. However, government unions have thrived during this same time. Big Labor really only includes government unions now because private unions can no longer be called “big”. Look at the chart, it is interesting that since Obozo’s election, Big Labor’s totals actually went down from 10% to 8% while at the same time Big Government rose from 55% to 64%. I don’t think many people even separate these 2 anymore. Big labor as should be removed from this poll.

Dollayo on December 13, 2011 at 5:54 AM

Flora Duh on December 12, 2011 at 9:29 PM

Dirty tricks and voter fraud, yes, but intimidation? Democrats are intimidated. Republicans check to see that their magazines are well-seated and their safeties are off.

Extrafishy on December 13, 2011 at 5:56 AM

The problem with polls like this is that people will always be opposed to “big government” in the abstract. When you get specific, though, few people want to do away with any of the things big government gives them. They want less government intrusion, but they still want all the freebies, and of course it doesn’t work that way.

Jeff A on December 13, 2011 at 6:57 AM

This should be no surprise since Democrats are feeling fear of BIG government as they, and the entire USA, are being impacted by Obamanomics.

AndAero on December 13, 2011 at 7:38 AM

I agree that voter fraud and intimidation will be more rampant next year than in years past. Now that Duh One is in trouble, the Democrats and all those left wing “community organizer” groups will be desperate.

I live in PA, which should go Republican in the Presidential race next year, but it will take a lot of turnout to overcome the massive voter fraud that will take place in cities like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

DRayRaven on December 13, 2011 at 7:45 AM

I’m sure Newt won’t mind pointing out in his most eloquent way, all of the things dear leader has done that increased unemployment, federal spending in green energy projects, intrusion by the govt into our daily lives(and now police using drones and cameras on every corner), creating a mess in foreign policy(with Hillary’s capable help), and allowing an AG and his dept to implement a plan that ended up killing a federal agent and foreign nationals all in the name of ending our constitutional rights in the 2nd amendment.

Kissmygrits on December 13, 2011 at 8:07 AM

Green eyed Lady on December 12, 2011 at 10:22 PM

Checkout the link the story from that site came originated from.
May or may not be true.
I hate to be paranoid, but I’m leaning toward the story being true & the person in question recanted bcs they had been threatenend by the govt.

Badger40 on December 13, 2011 at 8:09 AM

Liberals want sensible government. We don’t care whether its big or small. As long as it’s a government that works for the people.

Unfortunately the problem we have in this country is that our government be it small or big are all bought and paid for by crony capitalist.

Uppereastside on December 13, 2011 at 8:24 AM

Liberals want sensible government. We don’t care whether its big or small. As long as it’s a government that works for the people.

Unfortunately the problem we have in this country is that our government be it small or big are all bought and paid for by crony capitalist.

Uppereastside on December 13, 2011 at 8:24 AM

That is how things started.
The main drag of Liberalland does not seem to see things this way.
They want things like social justice & income equality.
The politicians have worked in creating the crony capitalist situation we now have today.
Capitalism is great. But that’s not what any of this stuff is.
It’s a tyranny based on those who pay to play.
The rest of us get dragged along & fleeced.
It is not enough to be a Democrat or a Republican.
You are either a person who supports the Consitution as it was written (not activist judge rulings) or you are for the downfall of this Republic.
Bcs that’s what all this kibbitzing has done over the years.
Contributed to America’s downfall.

Badger40 on December 13, 2011 at 8:54 AM

I fear Big Govt. and all the taxpayer funded pensions that are unsustainable. The Greek tragedy is just around the corner.

Our children are soooooo boned.

Robert Jensen on December 13, 2011 at 8:55 AM

And BTW uppereastside, you should care if it’s big.
A large entity has much more power than a smaller one.
The Fed needs to be kept as small as possible.
That means getting rid of all the alphabetical agencies & departments & let the states run themselves as the sovereign entities that they ARE.
FDR helped grow the Fed into the monster it is now.
In fact, he accelerated it a lot.
And then everyone started helping themselves willy nilly to taxpayer dollars, Democrats & Republicans alike.
Only with a small govt will you get the representation you deserve under this form of govt.
The govt is not here to fix your life for you as a citizen.
It’s only a framework.
The states are to do the rest.

Badger40 on December 13, 2011 at 8:59 AM

will it matter? count on 10% or more dead people, multiple voters, felons and illegals. even if every valid voter showed up in some of these distriricts it would still be a socialist victory in a lot of the “blue states and distiricts”.

this regime could have given the communists lessons on how to thrwo elections. kind of like the prodigal son that’s better than original teacher.

even the USSR took 30 years, a wretched economy and corrupt monarchy along with a world war to wrest total control of the country. this regime did it in 20 years starting with the strongest economy and military in the world. The lib doctrine is strong and effective. rot and decay from within works as well as killing millions of peasants and army personnell.

acyl72 on December 13, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Liberals want sensible government. We don’t care whether its big or small. As long as it’s a government that works for the people.

Unfortunately the problem we have in this country is that our government be it small or big are all bought and paid for by crony capitalist.

Uppereastside on December 13, 2011 at 8:24 AM

You forgot to mention liberals also want us all to “pay our fair share”. Ussually somewhere in the 75-80% range for those of us that don’t have offshore bank acounts, lifetime pensions and healthcare, and companies we work for that get bailouts or our competitors regulated out of business. However, we are allowed to have mortgages, college loan debt, high property taxes and the privelege of funding the highly enlightened that rule us.

acyl72 on December 13, 2011 at 9:15 AM

Those polls do sound hopeful. But some of those idiot Dems who fear big gov’t will still vote for Obama.

It’s like the OWS brats that hate the 1% but still support Obama who is the biggest corporate crony in Washington.
And then there’s the Republicans who say I’ll vote third party if Newt is nominated, or I’ll stay home if Romney is nominated.

Apparently they don’t see the evil man in the Oval Office that I see. To me it’s about saving our country from that destructive president. The choice is simple–anyone but Obama.

bailey24 on December 13, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Almost half of Democrats now say big government is the biggest threat to the nation…

A likely result of all those recent college graduates who claim they can’t find jobs and are being held accountable anyway for TO GOVERNMENT for their student loans AND are now having to face up to paying their own taxes.

Once you’re faced with the reality of differences between a paycheck and the tax bill, particularly, and a government who can and does swoop in and take what it wants from you from your own banking accounts and property, you start to depreciate “big government.”

And well you should. Because it was just those presumptions on individuals upon which our nation came to be in the first place, to get away from such, to detach from such. Yet here we are again.

Lourdes on December 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM

Democrats may say they “fear big government” yet they continue to support “big labor” as in, unions.

So those two views prove a huge disparity in sense as to these Democrats.

Lourdes on December 13, 2011 at 9:32 AM

Elric on December 12, 2011 at 11:36 PM

Yep. It’s coming. Voter fraud on an unimaginable scale. That’s what I fear.

totherightofthem on December 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM

Just remember on thing, 8.6 percent is just a number. Obama’s biggest problem is this reaction,”Gee, it looks like unemployment is decreasing but not in my community.” Reality will win everytime.

jjnco73 on December 13, 2011 at 10:03 AM

Its sad that we only have these guys running against 0bama. Then I realize I’d vote for a turnip before I’d ever vote for 0bama.

ManWithNoName on December 12, 2011 at 9:51 PM

We’ve got a turnip now. I say vote for a rutabaga next time which will surely be an improvement over the veg head sitting in the White House currently.

skeneogden on December 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM

82% of Republicans and 64% of independents today view big government as the biggest threat,

Here’s what to do with Republicans who are part of that shameful 18%: seek ‘em out; yank ‘em out of their rat holes; beat ‘em like rented mules in the next election. (My apology to rented mules, everywhere.)

TheClearRiver on December 13, 2011 at 10:52 AM

Testing.

BettyRuth on December 13, 2011 at 11:10 AM