Trump: I might call off the debate

posted at 11:50 am on December 9, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

If Michele Bachmann thought that The Donald would take her refusal to attend his Newmax debate on December 27th quietly, Trump made it clear this morning on Fox Business’s Don Imus show that he’s going to hold a grudge. In talking with Imus, Trump said that Bachmann discussed making him her VP pick if she won the nomination, and that he sees Bachmann’s snub as a sign of disloyalty:


Did Bachmann really discuss making Trump her running mate? I’d assume that any such discussions would have been purely speculative and non-committal, but even so, a Bachmann/Trump ticket would be a little mind-bending. Right now, Bachmann’s emphasizing her social conservative credentials in Iowa in an attempt to run to the right of both Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, and it’s a little difficult to see how that works into considering Trump as the running mate. (It’s even more difficult to see Trump actually taking a second-banana position and not embarrassing the ticket later on down the road, too, with his self-promoting antics.)

That would make another good reason for the other candidates to skip a Trump-moderated debate, but it’s now looking as though there won’t be one anyway. Even the two people left on the dais for this want Trump to repudiate his assertion that he might run as an independent in the general election, which Trump tells Imus he won’t do. That will probably mean that the two committed participants might find other things to do.

Trump marvels that the Republican candidates are somehow too chicken to debate him. The point isn’t “being afraid” to debate Trump — and why would a “moderator” debate the candidates anyway? Candidates are supposed to debate each other. It’s a question of giving him legitimacy for an entry later in the race against the GOP for no real return at all. At least the media networks deliver viewers and coverage, and the moderators aren’t going to jump into the race as their opponents. On top of that, Trump is still spouting off about birth certificates, an association that won’t do anything to convince independents in the general election that the Republican nominee is a serious candidate. Thankfully, this debacle looks like it will fall apart on its own shortly.

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Geez, like there isn’t other “debates” about to go on?

upinak on December 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Whew!

That was a close one

cmsinaz on December 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM

Donald?

Call off the debate. It was a cute idea, but these are serious times. Let ‘em all off the hook. Play a better part in parsing the candidates, but better yet? Use your resources to vett Obama.

Put your money where your mouth is, Donald. Vett Obama. You’ve to the resources AND the bull horn. Use them.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:53 AM

It doesn’t make any sense to go into a debate moderated by someone who may or may not get back into the race.

Ward Cleaver on December 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM

You’ve to the resources AND the bull horn. Use them.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Argh.. You’ve got the resources AND the bull horn. USE THEM. With vigor.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:53 AM

you forgot your sarc tag. //

upinak on December 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

OK so Trump’s debate is toast. You know who should really run the next GOP debate? Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

CorporatePiggy on December 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Bachmann discussed making him [Trump] her VP pick if she won the nomination

I thought Mitt was the one who would say anything to win!

/

shaloma on December 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM

Just as well it fizzles now. It would of been entertaining for the media class but it would of been painful to watch if you are a republican.

swamper on December 9, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Donald knows when to fold em.

jake-the-goose on December 9, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Good. Looks like this pathetic sideshow will go where it should have gone the instant they announced it.

To hell with Trump and anyone who gives him credibility.

KingGold on December 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM

you forgot your sarc tag. //

upinak on December 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Yeah, I caught that. Argh. Feeling like a Pirate today. Lost two of my three largest clients this month.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM

I hope ‘the donald’ does call the debate off. It probably wouldn’t have many viewers even if he did have it? BTW, ‘the donald’ is no way a conservative, IMO!
L

letget on December 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Why we give Trump credibility is beyond me. yes, he is a great self-promoter. yes, he took money and real estate development know how from his family and made it into more money. But he has never demonstrated that he understands economics (aside from just normal business understanding of it – and even there, most of hims business ventures have gone bankrupt at one time or another), he has never demonstrated any deep philosophical thinking, or deep political thought.

it’s sad that he is given credibility by GOP candidates. I understand that he has a lot of followers due to The Apprentice, but really? If you are vying to be president, shouldn’t you associate with more serious, credible people?

Monkeytoe on December 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM

So much for the 1st amendment.

Kissmygrits on December 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Might as well. It probably would have been better. I guess we have to let the Blitzers and Gwen Ifills moderate our debates.

Flapjackmaka on December 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I never understood why he candidates didn’t belittle the debate by using Eason Jordan as the fodder; he would seem the better target -politically- than Trump. Much easier to save face that way.

BKeyser on December 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM

OK so Trump’s debate is toast. You know who should really run the next GOP debate? Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

CorporatePiggy on December 9, 2011 at 11:56 AM

No.

Reince prebus, or whatever his name is, needs to broadcast this person’s speeches from all fronts. But, he won’t.

Because that would be racist. You know. Um hmm.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Good Lord, like we NEED yet another debate. I might be in the minority here, but I think the GOP candidates should be a lot more choosy about how many debates they agree to and especially ones sponsored and moderated by rabid liberals.

plumorchard on December 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Lost two of my three largest clients this month.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:58 AM

The Obama Effect. That is what you should call it.

upinak on December 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Another Trump related clusterfark.

TXUS on December 9, 2011 at 12:02 PM

It wasn’t going to be just Trump. He was going to have an expert panel ask questions: Jeffrey Ross, Jim Norton, and Lisa Lampanelli, plus Seth Macfarlane doing the introductions.

MechanicalBill on December 9, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Great point BK!

cmsinaz on December 9, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Yeah, perhaps Trump should cancel the debate. No worries, there’s always a MSNBC host or two who would LOVE to moderate a GOP debate. That’ll make everyone happy again…

joejm65 on December 9, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Thought bubble.

Donald did it to call out the chickens.

Chicken list:

Romney
Paul
Bachmann

/As much as I hate his hair? I love his strategy.

Newt’s not a chicken.
Neither is Santorum.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 12:03 PM

but…Buddy Roemer just asked to join!

MNcommonsense on December 9, 2011 at 12:03 PM

But at least Gingrich will still be there to debate Trump. Because he’s the smart one in the room. //

fed-nad on December 9, 2011 at 12:04 PM

The high number of debates have been a good deal for everyone involved. Lots of free press and a good exchange of ideas. But the Trump debate would of turned into a circus.

swamper on December 9, 2011 at 12:04 PM

The point isn’t “being afraid” to debate Trump — and why would a “moderator” debate the candidates anyway? Candidates are supposed to debate each other. It’s a question of giving him legitimacy for an entry later in the race against the GOP

No, it is exactly the point.

But this is a good example of why the GOP is, to quote Michael Walsh today in National Review, “too dumb to live.” This debate, any debate, is simply another opportunity to reach more and different people with your message. A Newsmax debate with Trump as moderator would certainly make this possible. And you have as much opportunity to take legitimacy away as give it to him; who’s to say one cannot challenge what Trump says and defeat him on grounds which more permanently degrade any future claims to legitimacy? If your goal is negate Trump, do you accomplish this by ignoring him or engaging him? Does one really think Trump will “go away” if no one shows up at the debate?

Fools and weaklings.

rrpjr on December 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Call off the debate. It was a cute idea, but these are serious times.
Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Candidates should have better things to do than play “Apprenctice” with a TV celebrity anyway.

whatcat on December 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM

It doesn’t make any sense to go into a debate moderated by someone who may or may not get back into the race.

It also doesn’t make any sense to participate in a debate moderated by a clown.

Eichendorff on December 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM

I am confused by those who give Trump credibility. He is by no means a “true” conservative and the man only cares about himself. I can’t even watch his show because he LOVES himself. I say Lincoln-Douglas debate with Newt and Trump, battle of the egos.

MNcommonsense on December 9, 2011 at 12:07 PM

I think we need more celebrity craziness in our politics.

Akzed on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Since Trump’s a clown, I suggest Bachmann and every other candidate go on Jimmy Fallon.

Flapjackmaka on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

You know Donald is getting all kinds of crap right now from the Pundit crowd but……

…..I like him. He comes across as a straight shooter. And….And…..HE IS WILLING TO TAKE ON OBAMA.

Something that 99% of the Republicans are NOT willing to do.

The self-castrated Bush era GOP is a kinder-gentler piece of ____________. They aren’t worth a bucket of Possum drool. The only thing that McCain can seemed to get pissed about is the TEA PARTY HOBBITS. Really Fighter John? Really?

If there was ANY CHANCE for a THIRD PARTY to beat the Dems I would be on it in a heartbeat.

I’ve been a broken record of late but there are only two Fearless, Consistent Conservatives in the race that come across as willing to take on Obama. Crazy Eyes Bachmann and St. Rick of Santorum.

They are both:
STRONG Fiscal Conservatives
they have records to prove it (though they aren’t perfect)
STRONG on Social issues that Conservatives care about
and they are BOTH willing to do what is necessary to END OBAMACARE and gut it and start all over.

What other choices do we have at this point?
Newt, Mitt strong Progressive politicians with a BIG GOVERNMENT track record of “solutions”?

Rick Perry the Open Borders bumbler from Austin?

None of these guys are perfect but…….who is the most CONSERVATIVE and who will gut Obamacare and appoint CONSERVATIVES like Scalia and Roberts to the SCOTUS?

PRINCIPLES FIRST…..
Bachmann or Santorum 2012.

PappyD61 on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

The Obama Effect. That is what you should call it.

upinak on December 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

You know, in 2008 when I lost a good paying job I was optimistic. This is America.. just hang out your shingle and get business. And it worked; I have always hoped to be re-hired as a Director, but it didn’t happen. So, I figured, OK, I’ll just keep on moving.

The problem is, Obama’s administration is decimating my clients. Now there are no clients left.

I am convinced that Obama’s agenda is to decimate and perhaps destroy the middle class. Cloward Piven. I’m no Glenn Beck fan, but he’s right.

I don’t want sympathy; I want to sound the bells. This sh**t is real. They are succeeding. No matter what, I’ll find a way, but someone needs to sound the alarm… the Cloward Piven strategy is here.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Wait! Where are you going? I was going to make espresso…

Kraken on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Donald Trump for VP?

So we’d trade one clown who can’t keep his foot out of his mouth, for another one who can’t keep his mouth shut.

*sigh*

Flora Duh on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Since Trump’s a clown, I suggest Bachmann and every other candidate go on Jimmy Fallon.

Flapjackmaka on December 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Heh

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Does anyone have a list of the rest of the debates and the primary calendar?

Iowa, NH, SC, etc.?

PappyD61 on December 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Our long national nightmare is almost over. Trump is about to be fired.

simkeith on December 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Why does Trump even matter?

Why is he news worthy?

For that matter why does a conspiracy rag like Newsmax matter?

Seriously don’t both Trump and Newsmax just cause an auto-eyeroll and an auto-tuneout?

Trump is the worst of bottom feeders. His narcissism may even exceed bHO’s.

Why does anyone feed his ego to think he is relevant or a “king maker”?

/bangs head on keyboard
/facepalm
/shakes head

Cadian on December 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Fools and weaklings.

rrpjr on December 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM

Really? Would you be saying this if lets say Bill Ayers wanted to moderate a debate? What about George Soros? It does the GOP no service to entertain this clown. The media already latches onto false narratives from the debates (crowd boos gay soldier, crowd cheers death penalty) the last thing the GOP needs is a birther question.

MNcommonsense on December 9, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Call off the debate. It was a cute idea, but these are serious times.
Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 11:53 AM

Candidates should have better things to do than play “Apprenctice” with a TV celebrity anyway.

whatcat on December 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Better things to do? Like what? Like participate in debates moderated by liberals who try to make the candidates look bad? The GOP candidates have already whored themselves out to the lowest levels of the MSM, but spending an hour or so with Trump would be…what? A career killer? This is why the GOP is f*cked. What a bunch of gutless p*ssies….

joejm65 on December 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Andrew Breitbart: Why Would GOP Candidates Go On MSNBC, But Turn Down Trump?

idesign on December 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Trump shoulda/coulda scheduled his debate for Saturday night..
and do it live…..in New York……just say’n…It couldaben fun.

Skandia Recluse on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

The debacle that wasn’t was bound to fall apart at some point, whether before, during or after the proposed debate.

Thankfully, it’s now a dud beforehand.

I like Mr. Trump in some aspects, but he has his place, and clearly he’s overreaching.

Time to go back to your vanity mirror Mr. Trump.

Logus on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 12:03 PM

its not chicken to avoid a situation where the obvious goal is to embarrass and hurt campaigns. the donald is not interested in helping voters learn about the candidate’s views. he wants to draw blood and self-promote. newt and santorum were fools for agreeing to this kinda of parody.

chasdal on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Bachmann won’t attend a Debate hosted by Donald Trump, but she thinks his brand is strong enough to put him on her ticket hmmmm…The Donald has to know that Bachmann is trying to pimp him. Hey Donald, check with Chelsea Clinton, she’ll explain how it works GRIN.

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Why have a prima donna moderator at all? Just go moderatorless. This group of civil-minded leaders ought to be able to show us all how it’s done. No nanny timekeeper. Individual responsibility and respect for fellow debater’s time.

lacerta on December 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Does anyone have a list of the rest of the debates and the primary calendar?

Iowa, NH, SC, etc.?

PappyD61 on December 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Try this link.

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:17 PM

I enjoy the title of his book in the screencap juxtaposed with the title of this thread.

anuts on December 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM

This was a ridiculous charade from the outset.

Serious debates may only be conducted by serious journalists, eg. Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer and Scott Pelley, on serious networks. It’s the only way to appeal to delicate, precious moderates!

mudskipper on December 9, 2011 at 12:20 PM

lacerta on December 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM

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Moderator-less?
So what you are proposing is they go commando? “out in the open” – “ready for action”. ???

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:21 PM

That would make another good reason for the other candidates to skip a Trump-moderated debate, but it’s now looking as though there won’t be one anyway. Even the two people left on the dais for this want Trump to repudiate his assertion that he might run as an independent in the general election, which Trump tells Imus he won’t do. That will probably mean that the two committed participants might find other things to do.

Phew. That was way too close for comfort. Maybe all the other candidates should make it official and let Ashton Kutcher host the Dec. 27 debate, cause Donald Trump just got Punk’d.

Lawdawg86 on December 9, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Bachmann/Trump ticket would be a little mind-bending

Gee Oh Loopy ticket.

lexhamfox on December 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

the donald may be lying. i trust him less than i trust any politician.

chasdal on December 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

its not chicken to avoid a situation where the obvious goal is to embarrass and hurt campaigns. the donald is not interested in helping voters learn about the candidate’s views. he wants to draw blood and self-promote. newt and santorum were fools for agreeing to this kinda of parody.

chasdal on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Exactly, look at Trumps response on every candidate that refused to go to the debate, he basically shames them in public, for nothing but refusing to attend his greatest debate ever,

I know a lot of people think they know Trump, but they don’t, he is one of the biggest attention seekers on the planet alive today, and his ego is bigger then Rush & Newt’s combined,

OrthodoxJew on December 9, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Good Lord, like we NEED yet another debate. I might be in the minority here, but I think the GOP candidates should be a lot more choosy about how many debates they agree to and especially ones sponsored and moderated by rabid liberals.

plumorchard on December 9, 2011 at 12:01 PM

I don’t think you are in the minority. There are too many debates scheduled in this nomination process. Here is the ‘official’ schedule: http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/

PatrickHenry599 on December 9, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Trump is the worst of bottom feeders. His narcissism may even exceed bHO’s.

Why does anyone feed his ego to think he is relevant or a “king maker”?

/bangs head on keyboard
/facepalm
/shakes head

Cadian on December 9, 2011 at 12:10 PM

Go back and re-read your entry.

Trump is a respected American. He doesn’t want America to be Socialist and neither do I. Obama will go down in defeat, in flames; a self imploding/exploding pile of feces.

His voters have abandoned him. His message is muddled. His persona is laughable; a nothing candidate, filled with nothing, motivated by nothing other than himself. That’s why his daughters always look so depressed. No respect. Just shame.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 12:25 PM

I’m completely baffled as to how anyone could actually like that pompous gasbag with the woodchuck on his head. He’s a sick joke, and a Democrat. Thank God this ugly mess of a “debate” is going away.

juliesa on December 9, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Even the ego maniac Trump knows his brand limit.

National politics, after walking away – are not his strong point; as witnessed by most candidates taking a pass.

Remember, this is the guy who sells $1,000 sheets with a Trump label on it, while selling $10 Dominos pizza…

Odie1941 on December 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Moderator-less?
So what you are proposing is they go commando? “out in the open” – “ready for action”. ???

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Togas would be optional

/

lacerta on December 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM

The Donald.

He’ll save face. And call the non-participants wusses. The two who agreed to participate will be hailed as “fighters”. The Trump Debate is cancelled.

/That’ll be the spin. And a good spin, IMHO.

Key West Reader on December 9, 2011 at 12:29 PM

So what am I supposed to watch that night, then?

TexasDan on December 9, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I wish they’d let Huckabee keep doing the debates as his was the only debate where the voters won.

DeniseVB on December 9, 2011 at 12:29 PM

Really? Would you be saying this if lets say Bill Ayers wanted to moderate a debate? What about George Soros? It does the GOP no service to entertain this clown. The media already latches onto false narratives from the debates (crowd boos gay soldier, crowd cheers death penalty) the last thing the GOP needs is a birther question.

MNcommonsense on December 9, 2011 at 12:11 PM

It’s both an immaterial and good question.

Trump is not Bill Ayres or George Soros and the analogy is not valid or realistic. Newsmax, a substantial conservative enterprise, is co-sponsoring the debate. Whatever else Trump is in terms of his personal eccentricities, he is a successful capitalist whose politics are generally in keeping with the republican-conservative base and not remotely like either of those two characters.

But under certain circumstances I would be delighted see a candidate engage Bill Ayres or George Soros. I think such an encounter would be exhilarating, revealing and educating. Ayres or Soros would never have anything to do with such a debate.

Let’s ask a simple practical question. If your goal is to be rid of or reduce the influence of the egocentric “clown” Trump, how do you best achieve this goal: by marginalizing him through the process of engagement and debate, or by ignoring him? Is it really your belief that Trump will go away if the GOP establishment attempts to starve him of legitimacy — that he has no means with which to cause greater problems?

I would think that any candidate armed with a good argument and the truth would have an excellent opportunity either to win over Trump’s supporters at such an event, or finish Trump off as a going concern in 2012.

rrpjr on December 9, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I am convinced that Obama’s agenda is to decimate and perhaps destroy the middle class. Cloward Piven. I’m no Glenn Beck fan, but he’s right.

The goal of leftists is to destroy the middle class. Look at Europe if you don’t believe it. It’s not difficult.

They pretend to care about it; but everything they do whittles away at it.

The middle class are not predictable voters; therefore they are a problem to be dealt with.

lorien1973 on December 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

GOP is missing a golden opportunity here.

There should be a “Trump” Debate, though it should include other Business leaders in various industries that get together with Trump and ask the GOP candidates what they would do on Economy and to help them create Jobs.

It would be an excellent contrast to Obama and the Dems anti-Business policies.

jp on December 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

never demonstrated that he understands economics (aside from just normal business understanding of it – and even there, most of hims business ventures have gone bankrupt at one time or another), he has never demonstrated any deep philosophical thinking, or deep political thought.

Monkeytoe on December 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Pal, you are so naive it’s embarassing, the guy is a graduate of
Wharton, that alone puts him among the economic elite, and add to that his many, many businesses…of course some went under, that’s business and risk taking…the only way you don’t make a mistake, it’s by not doing anything.
Every successful business man has lost money at some time…look at Mitt, you think every business venture he got involved with succeeded?
It astounds me how naive people are, how they thing that being a billionaire is not something exceptional…these are brilliant people, both in economics, business, and leading.
What he brings to the table, that no other moderator does, is the economic sense, and that is what they are afraid of…being asked tough economic questions.
I would rather have Neil Cavuto, but they would never accept that either.
We need a debate centered around economics, but the candidates, or most of them apparently are afraid of that.

right2bright on December 9, 2011 at 12:32 PM

It would be an excellent contrast to Obama and the Dems anti-Business policies.

jp on December 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Pretty tough when MItt thinks that the European crisis is hypothetical…

right2bright on December 9, 2011 at 12:33 PM

I really don’t see Trump’s debate format any different than the Alphabet news channels debates. You have a live audience wooting and gotcha questions with 60 second answer sound bytes.

I’ll take Huckabee’s format any day.

Kini on December 9, 2011 at 12:34 PM

Trump, as project leader, can’t even organize a simple debate. Per his own rules, he needs to fire himself. His selfish, pissy reaction merely reaffirms the fact that he is not fit to lead this country.

What do you expect from a guy who built a golf course in the Portugese Bend slide area of L.A.?

Christien on December 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I’m completely baffled as to how anyone could actually like that pompous gasbag with the woodchuck on his head.

juliesa on December 9, 2011 at 12:25 PM

So when that old man in the Geico commericals yelled, “Hey you woodchucks, get away from my wood!”, he was actually referring to The Donald’s head?

Makes sense.

Flora Duh on December 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM

I personally think the debates have been disastrous.There have been too many of them. Every time they have one the media finds a new Republican to smear with gotchas.Bad idea to have so many.

sandee on December 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Andrew Breitbart: Why Would GOP Candidates Go On MSNBC, But Turn Down Trump?
idesign on December 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Exactly.

GOP is missing a golden opportunity here.
jp on December 9, 2011 at 12:31 PM

Yes they are.

rrpjr on December 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM

Trump: “Hmmm, candidates are pulling out, how can I still salvage at least one good press cycle out of this debacle…oh yeah, did I mention how I was going to be VP once?”

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM

It would be nice if the candidates showed this kind of common sense with the liberal CBS and MSDNC debates and skipped those as well. Say what you will about Trump, he frankly couldn’t have been any less of a joke than Bartilomo or Scott Pelley.

smiley on December 9, 2011 at 12:37 PM

This debate, any debate, is simply another opportunity to reach more and different people with your message. A Newsmax debate with Trump as moderator would certainly make this possible. And you have as much opportunity to take legitimacy away as give it to him; who’s to say one cannot challenge what Trump says and defeat him on grounds which more permanently degrade any future claims to legitimacy? If your goal is negate Trump, do you accomplish this by ignoring him or engaging him? Does one really think Trump will “go away” if no one shows up at the debate?

Fools and weaklings.

rrpjr on December 9, 2011 at 12:05 PM

You have a good point that the GOP needs to be exposed to new audiences. But he had (or has?) his own ambitions to become executive in chief, which brings me to mistrust how he will moderate. Is he hoping for a VP slot? If so, would he be a bit more fair or lenient toward his favored candidate?

guera on December 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

If you are vying to be president, shouldn’t you associate with more serious, credible people?

Monkeytoe on December 9, 2011 at 11:59 AM

I’m not deciding until I see who gets Snooki’s endorsement.

BacaDog on December 9, 2011 at 12:40 PM

Did Bachmann really discuss making Trump her running mate? I’d assume that any such discussions would have been purely speculative and non-committal, but even so, a Bachmann/Trump ticket would be a little mind-bending.

Heh. The Donald is playing hardball. Now, Bachmann has to spend time explaining why she did or that she didn’t, make the offer. He neatly backfooted her for her disloyalty.

a capella on December 9, 2011 at 12:42 PM

“What’s so frustrating is the people who are saying no to Donald Trump are the people who say (yes) every single week to the MSNBCs of the world and are willing to sit there as Chris Matthews berates them, sets them up, and now they can’t stand Donald Trump when he is probably one of the only successful capitalists out there hailng the economy which is a capitalist economy. These people are taking the wrong stand at the wrong time. If these guys have any integrity they say no to MSNBC — but they go after the only capitalist out there.”

Breitbart

Axe on December 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM

The fact that this “debate” forum was even contemplated in the first place shows what a farce this whole process has become.

Don’t get me wrong; I am most definitely not saying that the other “moderators” were anything like acceptable. In all the previous debates, it was pretty obvious the candidates were really arguing with their Inquisitors more than with each other. But all the other celebrity attention whores with political axes to grind at least PRETENDED at times that they weren’t injecting themselves into the process. With Trump, you remove that incredibly tiny fig leaf from the act. When the JournOlists got called on their duplicity, they backed down; Trump won’t ever do that; he’ll jump in with both feet, stage an infantile argument, and then blame the candidates for not following his directions. And he may even be planning on using this as a springboard for his own strawman campaign: “Look, I just wasn’t satisfied with the performance of any of those jerks!”

What you need is somebody like Brian Lamb. Sure he himself is boring – intentionally so – but that puts the spotlight on the debaters, where it needs to be.

logis on December 9, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Andrew Breitbart: Why Would GOP Candidates Go On MSNBC, But Turn Down Trump?

idesign on December 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

Re-baited your hook. :) We were just arguing that yesterday.

Axe on December 9, 2011 at 12:51 PM

OT: Some airhead named Peggy Noonan might have said something about worries that Newt might be baying at the moon next fall. At least that is what the newsreaders on Fox News said today.

Did Peggy get voted off a reality TV show or something? She seems rather b!#chy for this season of peace on earth.

WhatNot on December 9, 2011 at 12:53 PM

I think the trump debate would be great and anyone that would avoid it would be seen as elitist, I think. Like mentioned above, why would anyone allow themselves to be interviewed the media wing of the obama campaign (MSNBC), but yet refuse a debate by Trump?

ConservativePartyNow on December 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM

I’m not someone that believes the presidency is sacred in any way. The person in the role has to earn my respect. The office itself is not sufficient in itself to earn my respect. That said, I don’t want to see the presidency or elections become a reality show circus.

So, leave Trump to his TV show and get on with it candidates.

atlashrugg on December 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM

actually like a trump moderated debate. love new ideas! what do you guys think?

gemini on December 9, 2011 at 12:57 PM

I would love to see polar opposite style debates during the presidential race.One debate with the moderators being Sharpton, Ed Schumck and Rachael Maddow. The other debate being moderated by Limbaugh, Beck and Levin. Let the good times roll!

RonnyTucker on December 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM

What if the Donald called a debate and nobody came? Would he debate himself on TV for an hour? Tree falling in forest…

Trump’s Debate: (H/T Neil Diamond) “I am, I said. To no one there. And no one heard at all, not even the chair.”

Steve Z on December 9, 2011 at 1:14 PM

I still dont understand why the GOPers will let “Lefty Von Lefterson” moderate their debate which was sponsored by MSNBC but Trump having a debate is somehow outlandish.

All this is doing is pushing Trump to run as an Independent. Now that he has been shunned by the candidates he has a big helping of grudge sitting on his shoulder. That is all he needs to get into the race just to play spoiler. Way to go GOP, another situation handled like idiots.

If we lose to Obama next year, the Republican Party is done as we know it.

alecj on December 9, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Moderator-less?
So what you are proposing is they go commando? “out in the open” – “ready for action”. ???

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:21 PM

Togas would be optional

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lacerta on December 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM

That would be much watch tee vee :)

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM

must watch tee vee….

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 1:20 PM

It’s a question of giving him legitimacy for an entry later in the race

this is absurd. Debates have not given any other moderator this season legitimacy to jump in the race. And nearly every other debate has made the candidates look foolish. “Boxers or briefs”? “hand-tossed or deep-dish”? Come on. This is just a bunch of taking heads trying to preserve “their” turf.

alwaysfiredup on December 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM

Despite Trump’s best efforts, the GOP debate circuit managed to avoid jumping the shark.

NapaConservative on December 9, 2011 at 1:22 PM

Andrew Breitbart: Why Would GOP Candidates Go On MSNBC, But Turn Down Trump?

idesign on December 9, 2011 at 12:13 PM

It’s quite simple really. Even though I can buy Reince Priebus’ tack about Trump still contemplating an Indie run and the conflict of interest it might pose, I suspect the underlying reason is that the knee-clanging skirts on our side consider the outspoken billionaire toxic re the whole Obama birth certificate controversy.

Or even more simply put, they’re all scared sh*tless of the Liberal MSM’s spiked cudgel. They’re cowards kowtowing to the establishment.

RepubChica on December 9, 2011 at 1:23 PM

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 12:14 PM

the donald may be lying. i trust him less than i trust any politician.

chasdal on December 9, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Let’s see if she responds, to Donald Trump’s claim. My bet is she doesn’t reply to his claim. It would turn into, he said, she said, and that’s not going to help her.

Dr Evil on December 9, 2011 at 1:23 PM

It dosen’t make any sense to go into a debate moderated by someone who may or may not get back into the race.
Ward Cleaver on December 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM

Also if Donald plan to endorse someone. I think he would be a better vetter and consultant. I like the Donald. Is a smart man.

LaurRose on December 9, 2011 at 1:24 PM

That said, I don’t want to see the presidency or elections become a reality show circus.

atlashrugg on December 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM

Absolutely too late.

alwaysfiredup on December 9, 2011 at 1:25 PM

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