Gunwalker goes “legal” … again

posted at 7:45 pm on December 9, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Despite the frequent and vociferous denials from the Attorney General, it’s difficult to see how much further the Gunwalker saga goes before the dominoes begin to fall. Bob Owens continues his relentless investigative coverage of the story at PJ media this week with what – by now – probably won’t come as much of a surprise. Supposedly “legal” sales of weapons going into Mexico have skyrocketed in the last few years.

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News has posted a bombshell article detailing how the Obama administration has greatly increased gun sales to the Mexican military. But further investigation into Attkisson’s discovery points toward the padding of a gun-control statistic — one frequently mentioned by the Obama administration — as the motive behind the increased sales.

From Attkisson:

One weapon — an AR-15-type semi-automatic rifle — tells the story. In 2006, this same kind of rifle — tracked by serial number — is legally sold by a U.S. manufacturer to the Mexican military.

Three years later — it’s found in a criminal stash in a region wracked by Mexican drug cartel violence.

That prompted a “sensitive” cable, uncovered by WikiLeaks, dated June 4, 2009, in which the U.S. State Department asked Mexico “how the AR-15″ — meant only for the military or police — was “diverted” into criminal hands.

And, more importantly, where the other rifles from the same shipment went: “Please account for the current location of the 1,030 AR-15 type rifles,” reads the cable.

There’s no response in the record.

The problem of weapons legally sold to Mexico — then diverted to violent cartels — is becoming more urgent. That’s because the U.S. has quietly authorized a massive escalation in the number of guns sold to Mexico through “direct commercial sales.” It’s a way foreign countries can acquire firearms faster and with less disclosure than going through the Pentagon.

This actually puts the number of guns “walked” to shame, and it numbers in the thousands. And where they show up leads to a bloody trail unfit for media consumption, apparently. But still, Democrat defenders of Obama’s reelection hopes insist that there is some sort of partisan witch hunt going on to take down Holder. (Trust me… I deal with this on a daily basis on Twitter every time the subject of gunwalker comes up.)

This may be the biggest untold story of the Obama administration at this point. Sadly, like some of his predecessors, it may not show up in the history books in any detail until your grandchildren read about it.


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Congressman fron Texas wants to know what Dept. of Homeland Sec. Knows of F&F.

http://www.brenhambanner.com/articles/2011/12/09/news/news01.txt

William Amos on December 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Fast and Furious is so yesterday. Did you hear no one in Washington likes Newt?

dirtseller on December 9, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Last month [August] a U.N. committee met in New York and signed off on several provisions, including the creation of a new U.N. agency to regulate international weapon sales, and require countries that host firearms manufacturers to set up a compensation fund for victims of gun violence worldwide.

Skandia Recluse on December 9, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Boy, but the UN spends a lot of time crafting provisions to suck money from the US taxpayers. If they aren’t after our guns, they’re after our money.

sage0925 on December 9, 2011 at 8:01 PM

Still waiting for Sarah Brady to weigh now that it’s, on the radar.

roy_batty on December 9, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News has posted a bombshell article detailing how the Obama administration has greatly increased gun sales to the Mexican military. But further investigation into Attkisson’s discovery points toward the padding of a gun-control statistic — one frequently mentioned by the Obama administration — as the motive behind the increased sales.

Ohh we know the motive of the Obama Administration. LSM just doesn’t want to tell the truth how they (Obama Admin) wants to eliminate the 2nd Amendment by pointing to the “violence the guns cause”

I had to go talk to my guns just now to let them know If I let them walk that they will be responsible for the violence they cause.

Liberals kill me by their complete lack of logic and reasoning abilities. They are like children.

Hence my talking to guns like they were children.

Conservative4Ever on December 9, 2011 at 8:05 PM

The 1% and the 99% stuff has been in the news for some time now. The number that’s prominent in my mind is the 53% that voted to put this criminal regime in office.

predator on December 9, 2011 at 8:07 PM

I don’t really understand how this “partisan witch-hunt” argument is supposed to nullify the criticism a politician gets. What does it matter which party the accuser is from or what his motives are? If the accusations are factual and actionable they stands on their own merit. It’s why we have two major parties, each having a selfish as well as a civic motive to keep an eye on each other. It’s part of the system of checks and balances those old dead white guys left us.

And I don’t ever recall Republicans (outside the White House, at least) whining about a “partisan witch-hunt” during the Watergate hearings.

Socratease on December 9, 2011 at 8:10 PM

If they aren’t after our gunsmoney, they’re after our moneyguns and our money.

Fixed.

Socratease on December 9, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Start the impeachment hearings…

… NOW!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 9, 2011 at 8:20 PM

Start the impeachment hearings…

… NOW!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 9, 2011 at 8:20 PM

/agreed!

Conservative4Ever on December 9, 2011 at 8:21 PM

C-Span Video where that d-bag Holder had the nerve to ask Issa if, he had no shame. Click on Part 3 from the Video Playlist on the right. Fast forward the video to the 01:01:15 mark.

Flora Duh on December 9, 2011 at 8:21 PM

I admitt. I dont understand the uproar over this gun situation. All illegal guns began as legal guns right? I would expect thats the case in Mexico just like it is here in the U.S.

Politricks on December 9, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Fixed.

Socratease on December 9, 2011 at 8:13 PM

I bow to your superior wisdom.

sage0925 on December 9, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Why would commercially available semi-automatic rifles go for use against Mexican cartels, only to be diverted to cartels, other than to create a American’s are bitter clingers claim for the non existent cartel gun smuggling from this country.

Both the cartels and the government of Mexico have access to fully automatic military grade weapons why would Mexico acquire civilian rifles other than to collude with the gun grab happy crowd in this administration?

Speakup on December 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM

I admitt. I dont understand the uproar over this gun situation. All illegal guns began as legal guns right? I would expect thats the case in Mexico just like it is here in the U.S.

Politricks on December 9, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Yeah, but most of those illegal guns are not supplied by the US Dept of Justice and the BATFE.

JimK on December 9, 2011 at 8:32 PM

Holder is holding out…he and “The One” are the architects of this gun control ploy. Not one of his emails are in those provided to Issa’s committee…he won’t fire/name anyone as culprit under him because he knows if he does and lets them go they will sing like a bird. He’s in a catch 22. Its only a matter of time..he’s history but ‘The One” will only throw him under the bus when its politically beneficial to him…In the end Holder will fall on his sword with that same ‘deer in the headlights” look he expressed when he was asked if he had offered condolences to Brain Terry’s family.

LaRepublican on December 9, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Speakup on December 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM

You read my mind. If I were a powerful drug lord, I would want something way cooler (and FULL auto, duh) for my guys than an AR-15. As the HMFIC, I would carry a couple of gold-plated .45′s myself. Too cliche?

Hueydriver on December 9, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Find a way to completely seal the southern U.S. border – troops, moats full of alligators, whatever it takes.

Then arm the Mexicans to the teeth and supply plenty of ammo.

Sit back and watch. The drug cartel-illegal guns-illegal immigration problems will solve themselves over time.

Oh, and throw Holder under the jail.

Horace on December 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM

It’s amazing what the mainstream media is capable of when their only focus is finding the truth and watchdogging. Hat Tip Ms. Attkisson, you are a rarity on the Certified Barack Station.

hillsoftx on December 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM

I admitt. I dont understand the uproar over this gun situation. All illegal guns began as legal guns right? I would expect thats the case in Mexico just like it is here in the U.S.

Politricks on December 9, 2011 at 8:25 PM

They may start as legal guns, but when any individual or institution willingly seeks to allow the transport of such arms over international borders without going through proper IMEX control documentation, then they become involved in a crime. Without one cartridge being expended. We have treaties with Mexico on this sort of thing and when a person, organization or agency seeks to circumvent such control mechanisms they are in violation of our laws, the foreign nation’s laws and the treaty: they are acting in a way that corrodes the understanding that Nations make State-to-State laws that each government and all citizens are to abide by.

This is more than just a US beef against DoJ, DEA, State, DHS and the heads of these agencies… but it is a good place to start unless Mexico wants to start extraditing them…

ajacksonian on December 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Holder’s testimony: Deny, deny, deny, counter accuse, demand an apology. Oh, and the Tea Party is racist.

tkb1 on December 9, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Find a way to completely seal the southern U.S. border – troops, moats full of alligators, whatever it takes.

Then arm the Mexicans to the teeth and supply plenty of ammo.

Sit back and watch. The drug cartel-illegal guns-illegal immigration problems will solve themselves over time.

Oh, and throw Holder under the jail.

Horace on December 9, 2011 at 8:41 PM

^^^ This. And put gators in the Rio Grande too – seriously.

CorporatePiggy on December 9, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Holder and Corzine need to go to jail and if it can be proven Obama knew, he also. The rule of law must be upheld or anarchy and total collapse of the trust of the people will prevail.
Scotter Libby, Martha Stewart, and Wesley Snipes just to name a few went to jail for less than these.
If the Government can send private citizens to jail then the Governments agents must be held accountable also.

Repunks find your cajones and do your sworn duty!

Or be gone with you ALL!

ConcealedKerry on December 9, 2011 at 9:11 PM

This stat was already folded in with the earlier big lie about ’90% come from America’ – Colt M-16 military sales to the mexican army, where the guns are then stolen en masse.
The choreographed talk point pretends that the mass of the weapons come from LEGAL sales at FFLs in border states.
But instead it is illegale straw purchases ceded to gunrunners to transport south. And worse, we find the handful of stawmen / mules with prior records, legally blocked from purchasing, who were deliberately allowed to buy with ATF thru FBI jiggering the NICS system to go from red to green. Hundreds of weapons sales reported by FFLs as fishy our outright denied by NICS checks ultimately forced thru the system by teh crooked morons of the ATF, all to service this ick constitutional-right-negating agenda.

rayra on December 9, 2011 at 9:26 PM

One weapon — an AR-15-type semi-automatic rifle — tells the story. In 2006, this same kind of rifle — tracked by serial number — is legally sold by a U.S. manufacturer to the Mexican military.

So would this have been the other program from under Bush? So is this a common thing that occurs without the govt getting involved?

jeffn21 on December 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM

When is the president of Mexico going to come here and give us a stern talking to?

zap-johnson on December 9, 2011 at 9:38 PM

^^^ This. And put gators in the Rio Grande too – seriously.

CorporatePiggy on December 9, 2011 at 9:00 PM

In Australia, we’ve got plenty of fresh water crocs that would eat gators for breakfast. You’re welcome to come pick and pay – as many as you like. :)

OldEnglish on December 9, 2011 at 9:55 PM

I still feel like this will end up sinking Obama. It has this “drip-drip-drip” feel to the story, the buildup of dead people from these guns…there is only so long the LSM can ignore this.

Kakalak Pundit on December 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM

Of course it’s PARTISAN. The RACE CARD isn’t working. Gotta try something else.

GarandFan on December 9, 2011 at 10:25 PM

Speaking as somebody who grew up in Guatemala I always suspected the claim that most weapons in use in Mexico was questionable to say the least. I always had my suspicions that the main source of these weapons was coming from Central and South America.

The fact that weapons are leaking from Mexican and Central American military arsenals shouldn’t be a surprise anybody who can do some logical thinking. Does anybody even stop to consider the fact that for the most part soldiers in Latin America are poorly paid conscripts with ill paid officers in command. All which are factors that lend themselves to corruption. The fact is that drug gangs can easily find an officer or noncom that would be very willing to lose a some assault rifles in exchange for a nice little addition to his bank account.

Another factor to bear in mind is that despite the fact that Guatemala’s guerrilla movements signed peace accords and supposedly disarmed. I very much doubt that all the weapons the URNG possessed were turned in and destroyed. I suspect that some caches are still scattered across Guatemala and its possible that some of those in charge of the caches have been letting them leak out to gangs in exchange for cash.

A final point to consider is that many South American leftist guerrilla movements turned to the cultivation of Coca to get funds after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In fact many of these groups (FARC) that use the drug trade as a source of funds have probably been including a few guns in exchange for funds in with the drugs that are been smuggled north. Or it could be one of the South American drug gangs are throwing in a few guns into the loads being sent north.

werehawk on December 9, 2011 at 10:32 PM

Sharyl Attkisson of CBS News has posted a bombshell article detailing how the Obama administration has greatly increased gun sales to the Mexican military.

Not to mention how Mufti Obama (peace be upon him) has increased gun sales in the US. The range I frequent has a “Gun Salesman Of The Year” plaque with Barry’s picture .

MaxSplinters on December 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM

I have no idea, but I do know that you guys come up with really cool names for your fake scandals.

crr6 on July 10, 2011 at 1:24 PM

Del Dolemonte on December 9, 2011 at 11:16 PM

Saving Private Holder

Eric Holder could dispose of all this by saying: “Guns don’t kill people — people kill people.”

I wonder how the DEMS would take that.

And on the mismanagement and lying he could ask why Frank and Dodd got away with flooding the financial system with toxic paper and telling numerous versions of the truth while all he did was goof about some weapons handed to criminals and not want to remember it.

He could add that he didn’t even get a nice mortgage from any cartel.

IlikedAUH2O on December 9, 2011 at 11:48 PM

The fact that democrats and their allies in the media are trying to kill this story because they are more concerned with Obama’s poll numbers than they are about this administration being an accessory to killing hundreds of people, does not make this a “partisan witch hunt.”…..it just exposes how pathetically corrupt and how far democrats will go to protect their “own.”

A “witch hunt” is when bogus accusations are trumped up to go after someone.
Holder nor any other democrat has shown that any of the accusations made against them for this deadly,irresponsible program are fraudulent or trumped up.

Remember…these are the same people that wanted to bring down a President over Vanity Fair cover girl and super secret desk jockey Valarie Plame.

…democrats need to put up or shut up…..if Holder is so innocent…then quit obstructing the investigation by withholding important documents.

Baxter Greene on December 10, 2011 at 12:24 AM

The now sainted Gabby Gifford said “to bring to justice every person involved in this horrific crime” about all of this.

And any thinking person who has been paying attention, must know that the main culprits, those who ordered all this, are Barack Obama and Eric Holder. To believe otherwise, one might as well believe that Adolf Hitler and Adolf Eichmann knew nothing about what was going on in those camps. Both Barack Obama and Eric Holder are guilty of the mass murder of hundreds, if not thousands, of Mexicans. Premeditated murder or depraved indifference to human life is the only question and the answer is definitely the later and most likely also the former.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 10, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Perhaps if Republicans in the House had real guts they would start impeachment proceedings thereby forcing the media to cover this scandal.

elkchess on December 10, 2011 at 1:08 AM

Someone please remind me what Scooter Libby got busted for. What was his great crime again? I recall countless folks on the other side squealing like stuck pigs in anger over his unforgivable sin.

Plus, there is this ,

Boogeyman on December 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM

This may be the biggest untold story of the Obama administration at this point. Sadly, like some of his predecessors, it may not show up in the history books in any detail until your grandchildren read about it.
They won’t be teaching our grandchildren how to read in the future. If they need to know something the lsm will report on it and tell them what to think about it.

Kissmygrits on December 10, 2011 at 8:55 AM

As others have noted, this will not go down in history as one of the most corrupt government run operations, I mean not like “Tea Pot Dome”. (ahem) They do still learn them youngins these days ’bout that thar affair, eh? Now, how many people died as a result of Tea Pot? Or, continue to die of course, as in the gobsmacking stupidity and incompetence surrounding sales to a country that wants to bring all of their problems to our country?
Does anyone remember all that talk about “transparency”, “openness”, and the like? I hope the COUNTRY remembers next year.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on December 10, 2011 at 9:23 AM

Yeah, but most of those illegal guns are not supplied by the US Dept of Justice and the BATFE.

JimK on December 9, 2011 at 8:32 PM

What other weapons are being sold into Mexico? The AR-15 is just one of many options. Tip of iceberg!

Dasher on December 10, 2011 at 10:52 AM

This is just a huge clusterf*** and goes to show that even if by some insane chance F&F was INTENDED as some legitimate way to help support the Mexican Military in their very real war with the drug cartels, that the ineptitude, disorganization, and lack of systemic control exhibited by the Obama Administration is unacceptable and leads to misuse, abuse, and internal conflict. At Best!

At worse, this is an example of extremely gross(as in scale not attractiveness)corruption, manipulation, and dark motivation.

Truth is probably somewhere in between as always, which means, still in negative quality territory.

Boomer_Sooner on December 10, 2011 at 10:53 AM

Holder lied, people died.

Voyager on December 10, 2011 at 10:53 AM

One weapon — an AR-15-type semi-automatic rifle — tells the story. In 2006, this same kind of rifle — tracked by serial number — is legally sold by a U.S. manufacturer to the Mexican military.

So would this have been the other program from under Bush? So is this a common thing that occurs without the govt getting involved?

jeffn21 on December 9, 2011 at 9:36 PM

Direct commercial sales has been used for decades. The US State Department is involved in approving the sales – so this doesn’t occur “without the govt getting involved”.
In 2006 less than 3,000 guns were sold to Mexico thru direct commercial sales. The Obama administration allowed nearly 19,000 in 2009 – and won’t release the numbers for 2010 or 2011.
When it’s obvious that a vast number of these weapons are being “diverted” to the cartels – why on earth would the State Department approve increased sales to Mexico?
It’s unconscionable.

Hill60 on December 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I’m sure many leftists in this administration would view a Mexican revolution with a socialist leader as a good thing. So send in the guns and get it going before we get voted out!

PattyJ on December 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM

As I just found out on PJ media Eric “Lying is a State of Mind” Holder will be in Austin on Tuesday to explain to us bitter clingers why he won’t approve our voter ID laws. There is a rally being organized to give him a nice warm, er, welcome.

Come if you can. If you can’t, please harass every Texan you know and make them show up.

Ryt on December 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM

To me, this is he most telling from the Attkisson report:

Here’s how it works: A foreign government fills out an application to buy weapons from private gun manufacturers in the U.S. Then the State Department decides whether to approve.

And it did approve 2,476 guns to be sold to Mexico in 2006. In 2009, that number was up nearly 10 times, to 18,709. The State Department has since stopped disclosing numbers of guns it approves, and wouldn’t give CBS News figures for 2010 or 2011.

Now add into the marxist mixing bowl the reports that the DEA is laundering drug money for Mexican cartels.

Am I just a paranoid, biter clinger to conclude?:

BHO: “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve [key words there: We and we've] set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

scituate_tgr on December 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

scituate_tgr on December 10, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Na, no way, crazy talk.

scituate_tgr on December 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM

scituate_tgr on December 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Dunno: arm them, fund them, grant them amnesty…?

affenhauer on December 10, 2011 at 2:15 PM

The only reason now for this whole fiasco is to conduct an attack on the 2nd Amendment. The libs know that if the American people are armed, they won’t be able to get away with all they truly want to get away with. The only solution is to use the Fast and Furious crisis as a prelude to gun confiscation, then the total socializing of America.

Moshe Ben Avram on December 10, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Granted F&F is a major cover up but I doubt any big fish will be held accountable. Remember Obama’s San Diego buddy and the Inspector General who got fired for uncovering the truth? Now Border Patrol Agent investigation sealed. The real scandal that would take down the whole lot of these Chicago goons including The One is the Shore Bank dealings.

wtng2fish on December 10, 2011 at 3:59 PM

Congressman Issa Sir, “WE THE PEOPLE” demand to know when ERIC HOLDER is going to be ARRESTED and put on TRIAL for PERJURY and TREASON??

ARIZONAVETERAN on December 10, 2011 at 5:31 PM