Former Obama donor declares regulations are killing jobs

posted at 11:00 am on December 8, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

As has been frequently noted, if you want to talk job creation you should probably talk to some people who have actually created jobs. And in at least one case, it seems that President Obama did precisely that. Unfortunately, he didn’t get the message.

Earlier this year, former Obama donor and CEO of Darden Restaurants, Clarence Otis Jr.met with the president to talk about putting Americans back to work. (It’s the parent company of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse, so they have created a job or two in their time.) One has to wonder how well he thought that meeting went, given the recent editorial he penned for CNN

“Businesses adding jobs” is a headline every elected official loves to read. Sadly, it’s one that’s getting harder and harder to find because of a policy and regulatory landscape that makes it increasingly difficult for businesses to see why and where creating new jobs makes sense.

That’s especially true for me and my colleagues in the restaurant industry, who find ourselves facing a plate piled high with more and more federal, state and local regulations.

Regulatory mandates flowing from federal health care reform may be the most visible, but the list also includes measures such as new mandatory paid leave provisions that require us to change the way we accommodate employees who need to take time off when they are ill and ever more unrealistic requirements regarding employee meal and rest breaks that, in California for example, force our employees to take breaks in the middle of serving lunch or dinner.

Otis’ entire essay is worth a read, if only for the real world experience he brings to the discussion. He’s not some wild eyed partisan pulling his hair out and screaming about Democrats, but an employer who has to deal with the real world issues facing companies who have to cope with a dizzying array of new rules, costs and litigation traps which spring from regulations frequently written by people who have never operated anything more complex than a lemonade stand. (If that much.)

He’s also not taking a “radical” position of saying there is no need for any regulation… just that regulations need to not only make sense, but be understandable to employers and allow them the confidence to hire more workers. And to do that, they need to know what their costs and exposures will be six months, a year or a decade down the line. It really doesn’t seem like that much to ask.

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Buyer’s remorse.

Ward Cleaver on December 8, 2011 at 11:06 AM

Report him to Ataaaaack Waaaatch. Don’t you know Oboobi is a genius and has the pedigree to prove it?

AH_C on December 8, 2011 at 11:07 AM

It really doesn’t seem like that much to ask.

Depends on who you ask.

The answer may surprise if you ask a dyed-in-the-wool Fabian socialist with A+ Alinskyite credentials, (who happens to be endowed with a significant malignant narcissist streak).

aquaviva on December 8, 2011 at 11:09 AM

they need to know what their costs and exposures will be six months, a year or a decade down the line

But, the CBO said there wouldn’t be any costs. He must be a raaaaacist then.

BacaDog on December 8, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Just proving that the Democrats can’t control themselves anymore. Socialism is their game and now it’s all out there where there is no doubt.

BetseyRoss on December 8, 2011 at 11:10 AM

When does Bamster EVER get the message? No matter what the facts or discussions are, he chugs full steam ahead with his fantasyland agenda.

tyketto on December 8, 2011 at 11:10 AM

*lightbulb*

cmsinaz on December 8, 2011 at 11:12 AM

CEO of Darden Restaurants, Clarence Otis Jr.

Contessa Brewer wants to know if Clarence has a degree in Business.

BacaDog on December 8, 2011 at 11:13 AM

We have become Greece, where I’ve read people spend all their time either cheating the government or avoiding the government.

PattyJ on December 8, 2011 at 11:14 AM

When does Bamster EVER get the message? No matter what the facts or discussions are, he chugs full steam ahead with his fantasyland agenda.

tyketto on December 8, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Hopefully November 2012.

VegasRick on December 8, 2011 at 11:15 AM

I would respectfully suggest to Obama-donor Mr. Otis, that you are getting EXACTLY what you paid for sir! Elections do have consequences.

realitycheck on December 8, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Many years ago, when I started my first business, I was a Democrat. Within 18 months I’d changed parties.

I don’t see how it’s possible to be a business owner or corporate executive and still be a Democrat. You’re voting against the interests of your company.

Rod on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

OMG. Go read some comments on that CNN editorial.

We are truly doomed.

The education system truly is a factory for the ignorant, lazy and socialist/anti-liberty.

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Someone left a gate open at the Dem plantation?

LoJack on December 8, 2011 at 11:18 AM

Odds are Mr. Otis will get a nice call from Obama’s people, invite to an Obama event and then Mr. Otis will give even more to Obama this time around…

albill on December 8, 2011 at 11:18 AM

How can I respect the guy when any one with a IQ over room temp knew this was going to happen?

Blake on December 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM

A few more $35,000 plate dinners might have gotten his business a few more regulatory waivers from the Czars. Oh well. Hurry and contribute for 2012 and you can bribe yourself a few extra energy ration cards.

Cloture on December 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM

Funny how these big, wealthy CEOs are just as gullible as some OWS campers or “independent moderates” out there.

cartooner on December 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM

Geez whiz. Complain complain complain. Obama’s the leader of the free world and the most brilliant politician of the last 300 years and NOW he has to help you figure out how to balance your staffing needs in light of these important and reasonable regulations?

PackerBronco on December 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM

I wonder what percentage of his employees are part time? The government is crazy.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM

How can I respect the guy when any one with a IQ over room temp knew this was going to happen?

Blake on December 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM

It’s a catch 22. If you knew this would happen, you’d be a partisan hack. The PC attitude is, “I will carefully weigh the candidates and decide who the best one is!”

cartooner on December 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM

He’s also not taking a “radical” position of saying there is no need for any regulation…

But you will note that whenever liberals bring up the topic, it’s ALWAYS that conservatives want NO REGULATIONS.

Ya can’t fix STUPID!

GarandFan on December 8, 2011 at 11:28 AM

would respectfully suggest to Obama-donor Mr. Otis, that you are getting EXACTLY what you paid for sir! Elections do have consequences.

realitycheck on December 8, 2011 at 11:15 AM

Otis knows that; he wrote that scathing editorial hoping that this time around, HE gets paid off by the Bamster.

PackerBronco on December 8, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Presenting a driver’s license keeps folks from voting. OF course you need it to get a library book.

But you have a minimum of at least sixty pages to master to run a business.

And try to get a lease and a small credit line.

Who breeds the judges that support this stuff?

IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Wow. This from the guy that runs the company that won’t allow American flags to be displayed in their restaurants. Not even when they provide a large chunk of space for prearranged banquet meetings of historical American community institutions like the Kiwanis Club.

The thrill really must be gone. Oh. Wait. Darden is only worried about their company(s) and how they are mandated to treat their employees. Employee work schedules are be hard, I guess. Afterall, every person they do employ do cut into an obscenely wealthy CEO‘s bottom-line somewhat.

SD Tom on December 8, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Clarence the restauranteur, I’d like you to meet Joe the plumber.

SPCOlympics on December 8, 2011 at 11:32 AM

OMG. Go read some comments on that CNN editorial.

We are truly doomed.

The education system truly is a factory for the ignorant, lazy and socialist/anti-liberty.

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

ARRGH! I lost a few IQ points just skimming the first page!

TampaIllini on December 8, 2011 at 11:35 AM

And if the guy is so smart at being a businessman why is it he couldn’t figure out Obama before he donated money?

albill on December 8, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Of course Obama is killing jobs. He wants every American dependent on government, and ultimately, HIMSELF. You will either work for the government (and be a member of a PEU) or you will get a government check.

Private business, private anything, in Barry’s worldview infringes on his power.

wildcat72 on December 8, 2011 at 11:36 AM

CEO of Darden Restaurants, Clarence Otis Jr.

Not Good Intentions Paving, Ltd.?

/

TenadorDelDiablo on December 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

really? You are knew and saying the same crap we all already know.

*sighs*

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

I could only get through the first 20 or so before my blood pressure went up. What a bunch of idiots.

Torch on December 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Send it back to the kitchen!

singlemalt 18 on December 8, 2011 at 11:38 AM

The government employees who wrote these regulations want to keep their jobs, so they will write more regulations next year, and the year after that. Each new regulation requires a few more government employees to enforce the regulations against those not favored by an Obama-administration waiver, as well as to keep track of the waivers and administer the cronyism regarding the waivers.
We all know that this is true and that it is killing our economy.
Who knows if we will do anything about it.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 8, 2011 at 11:40 AM

Private business, private anything, in Barry’s worldview infringes on his power.

wildcat72 on December 8, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Liberals are like Animal Hoarders. They want to own/have/coddle everything, yet have no clue how to take care of anything and eventually everything dies or is lame do to lack of care.

Make sense?

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I have been saying this for a while. Given how many defections are coming over from Team Obama, and the horrible poll numbers, why is this guy still smiling? Why is he seemingly unworried about winning another four years that he desperately wants, but is looking more and more unlikely every day?

I think he knows something that we don’t. There is something lurking out there that he knows is coming, and whatever it is, it’ll be a game-changer. I pray our country can survive this man puppet.

Hannibal_32 on December 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Not to worry, waivers on their way for Obama donors.

neuquenguy on December 8, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I pray our country can survive this man puppet.

Hannibal_32 on December 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM

WWIII, A super depression due to stupid men who think money grows on trees, becoming like the Soviet Union…

Oh I could go on.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Wow, I’m smarter than all of these CEOs. I saw this phony coming from a mile away. I guess these guys may know how to run a business but sorely lack common sense.

Sorry bigtime Dem donors, you don’t get a Mulligan. You own him and now he owns you.

fogw on December 8, 2011 at 11:43 AM

really? You are knew and saying the same crap we all already know.

*sighs*

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Be nice. Be patient.

The Alaskan sun will be back before you know it.

Rod on December 8, 2011 at 11:45 AM

The Alaskan sun will be back before you know it.

Rod on December 8, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Yeah.. 3 months and counting.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:46 AM

O

MG. Go read some comments on that CNN editorial.

We are truly doomed.

The education system truly is a factory for the ignorant, lazy and socialist/anti-liberty.

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

This is a direct result of the President pushing “rich vs. poor”. Its the most dangerous demagoguery Ive ever heard in the US. At least McCarthy was railing against (mostly) imaginary commies. POTUS is going after the job-creaters and risk-takers-and sending hoards of the frustrated and easily influenced after them. This rhetoric, and the ugly results of it on the fringes, is only going to get worse.

gglazner on December 8, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Obama has a deep, intrinsic contempt for business and capitalism in common with the countless, morally superior, hothouse academic Marxists I grew up around. It sets and moves the gyros of his being. It defines his existence and purpose and moral character. You will never change it. When Chris Christie and others appeal to Obama to “start leading”, etc. they are wasting their time and furthermore pointing out the equally dangerous conceits of the RINO class which has not only failed to fight the Progressive march through the culture that has given us someone as preposterous and destructive as Obama, but abetted it. Only a thorough and impersonal political dissection and beatdown of Obama and his philosophy by one our leading candidates will do.

rrpjr on December 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM

Who breeds the judges that support this stuff?

IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2011 at 11:29 AM

The “elite” law schools, which now emphasize “public service” and tout “public service” oriented curricula for fundraising. See, e.g., this quote from a recently received fundraiser brochure, which asked for money to support:
• Inspiring students to make a lifelong commitment
to public service.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 8, 2011 at 11:48 AM

At least McCarthy was railing against (mostly) imaginary commies.
gglazner on December 8, 2011 at 11:46 AM

actually, even though McCarthy was a drunk, he was usually spot on… even if the history prof’s don’t want to admit it.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:49 AM

OMG. Go read some comments on that CNN editorial.

We are truly doomed.

The education system truly is a factory for the ignorant, lazy and socialist/anti-liberty.

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

You aren’t kidding. It’s amazing how people who claim to have run small businesses have no clue about anything.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 11:50 AM

It’s amazing how people who claim to have run small businesses have no clue about anything.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 11:50 AM

You do realize that you do not have to have a degree to be a small business owner. But then again… I didn’t expect you to know that.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Darden Restaurants actually gives mostly to Republicans:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pac2pac.php?cycle=2010&cmte=C00108282

itsnotaboutme on December 8, 2011 at 11:55 AM

How do “Democrat” and “business owner” go together?
I think someone needs to explain this to me.

Aizen on December 8, 2011 at 11:57 AM

Suggestion to Ed, every time el presidente is pictures it should have a teleprompter in it also. Too funny.

MarkT on December 8, 2011 at 12:00 PM

How do “Democrat” and “business owner” go together?
I think someone needs to explain this to me.

Aizen on December 8, 2011 at 11:57 AM

they don’t see themselves as business owners. They see themselves as dictators of their own little worlds.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:02 PM

This can’t be so, both Barack Obama and David Brooks have poo-pooed this notion.

Or do they just both have poo-poo for brains?

NoDonkey on December 8, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Yeah.. 3 months and counting.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:46 AM

I spent two winters and one summer there – compliments of Uncle Sam – so I can easily empathize with you – at least a bit.

Warm, sunny thoughts your way.

BTW – I loved the picture of you with a full rack yesterday – except there was no rack.

Send it on anyway. Be sure to sign it “Your loving Albino Moose.”

Rod on December 8, 2011 at 12:02 PM

I don’t understand how people like Mr. Otis get to the positions of responsibility they are in completely lacking the ability to judge someones character. Seriously!! I dont have any sympathy for these rubes that had no idea what “reshaping the country” would entail. Well… “heres you sign”!!!!

tictoc02660 on December 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Send it on anyway. Be sure to sign it “Your loving Albino Moose.”

Rod on December 8, 2011 at 12:02 PM

I call it dinner.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:04 PM

You do realize that you do not have to have a degree to be a small business owner. But then again… I didn’t expect you to know that.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Oh, I know it, but the ignorance on display on that comment board (particularly by people claiming to run small businesses) is staggering.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Oh, I know it, but the ignorance on display on that comment board (particularly by people claiming to run small businesses) is staggering.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:12 PM

You can’t help stupid. Just be happy they have a small business (or pretend too) and employee people with a job.

oh and welcome!

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM

oh and welcome!

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:15 PM

Welcome? I’ve been here for a couple years.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Welcome? I’ve been here for a couple years.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:16 PM

damnity. You don’t comment much then. LOL, the newbs are going to be the death of me. *need more coffee*

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:18 PM

The comments under that article are mind numbing. Liberals are an absolute disgrace. I, as a Brit, feel more American than they obviously do. I truly wish we could ship these ignoramuses off to Venezula.

Sharke on December 8, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Lib headline: “CEO of Darden Restaurants, Clarence Otis Jr. is a RAAAAAAAAACIST.”

crazy_legs on December 8, 2011 at 12:20 PM

damnity. You don’t comment much then. LOL, the newbs are going to be the death of me. *need more coffee*

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:18 PM

Not a lot. You know, having a job gets in the way of that. But I’ve been around long enough to remember some of the fun old trolls like Grow Fins, Crr6 and the like.

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:20 PM

How can I respect the guy when any one with a IQ over room temp knew this was going to happen?

Blake on December 8, 2011 at 11:21 AM

This, this, a thousand times this. I’m not an economist, I’m just a humble high school science teacher, but I could see it coming.

Bob's Kid on December 8, 2011 at 12:22 PM

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Gotcha. I miss crr6. She was at least a polite troll.

upinak on December 8, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Not all us newbies are actually *new* to the site-just finally able to catch the open registration. Some of us feel like we’ve known you guys for years!

gglazner on December 8, 2011 at 12:24 PM

What we need is a regulatory agency to regulate the reach of the regulators. This could be a self-funded operation as the various regulatory agencies could fine each other in a circular fashion. A virtual perpetual regulation machine. That should divert there resources sufficiently to force them to LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE. (I know, I know, dream on.)

lonestarleeroy on December 8, 2011 at 12:25 PM

Presenting a driver’s license keeps folks from voting. OF course you need it to get a library book.

IlikedAUH2O on December 8, 2011 at 11:29 AM

Do you REALLY believe any of the ones carping about a voter ID have ever been inside a library?

Solaratov on December 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Clarence Otis Jr. Former Obama donor. New target for the left.

B-Ri on December 8, 2011 at 12:27 PM

I’m really shocked that attaching myself to a Marxist piece of garbage wouldn’t turn out so hot. I was also shocked to find out our customers don’t show the same disdain for the American flag that I do.

MNHawk on December 8, 2011 at 12:27 PM

It’s amazing how people who claim to have run small businesses have no clue about anything.
Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Most of them have never owned a business, I guarantee it. The most important thing to know about liberals when reading their Internet comments is that they will frequently lie about their real world circumstances in order to drum up credibility for opinions which are, in actual fact, a product of temper having no real world experience at all.

Sharke on December 8, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Temper = them, damn iPhone.

Sharke on December 8, 2011 at 12:29 PM

I don’t believe that we hear enough about the regulatory state from business owners, small or big. Articles by CEOs tend to get ravaged by press and bloggers as part of the 1% vs 99% meme which is an absolute shame and quite indicative of the other side of the aisle in their attempt to demonize profit. Whether it is Joe the Plumber or Mr. Otis, business has been and will continue to be what drives America. The Entitlement State has essentially left a good half of America unable to digest that business is good.

I look forward to the presidential debates, regardless of which GOP candidate, to see how the President will respond to something like this: “Mr. President, how much is enough for an individual, an S-corp, a corporation?” The fumbling answer, the search for some type of populist snark, will tell the electorate all they need to know about the current administration.

Bigfootlives2 on December 8, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Most of them have never owned a business, I guarantee it. The most important thing to know about liberals when reading their Internet comments is that they will frequently lie about their real world circumstances in order to drum up credibility for opinions which are, in actual fact, a product of temper having no real world experience at all.

Sharke on December 8, 2011 at 12:28 PM

Hence my use of the term “claim to” :)

Scrappy on December 8, 2011 at 12:35 PM

But, the CBO said there wouldn’t be any costs. He must be a raaaaacist then.

BacaDog on December 8, 2011 at 11:09 AM

Not very likely

Freelancer on December 8, 2011 at 12:36 PM

The education system truly is a factory for the ignorant, lazy and socialist/anti-liberty.

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 11:16 AM

Try living in Michigan where the Detroit Public School systems is the worst in the country. They have the lowest test scores in the nation and two years ago they had the lowest in the 40 years the test was administered. The teachers are paid more than any other teachers in the state and in the midwest, yet they keep demanding more money for their great teaching ability.

flytier on December 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM

I’d like to interview a statistically significant number of these wealthy, entrepreneurial business leaders to find out why, in spite of all the anti-business evidence, these people continue to support Democrats. What is it that draws men like this to the anti-business party? It’s maddening to be just a regular middle-class conservative and have to say “I told you so!” because we all clearly saw this coming.

prodigalson on December 8, 2011 at 12:56 PM

Mr. Otis complains about more regulations. That’s the mo of these socialists. Since they can not get legislation passed they do an end-around via regulations.

He got what he paid for in supporting Obama. No whining please.

And the commentors on the cnn article? The spread-the-wealth loons are eating their own.

TerryW on December 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM

why, in spite of all the anti-business evidence, these people continue to support Democrats. What is it that draws men like this to the anti-business party?

These “men” are only Dems In Name Only to keep their wives off their backs as these Ladies and their female friends still cling to the easily-debunked myth that the Repubs are “anti-women”.

lonestarleeroy on December 8, 2011 at 1:07 PM

While I applaud Mr. Otis’ letter he supported Obama unequivocally in 2008. How could a Chief Executive at this station in one’s business life miss the overt and obvious inexperience of Obama? These are the folks that don’t deserve what precious dollars my family has left which was made possible by way of these same folks like Mr. Otis here. Olive Garden has been a monthly extended family experience for some 8 years. We’ll be looking for a new restaurant and will be much more careful where we put our dining and entertainment dollars going forward.

Tangerinesong on December 8, 2011 at 1:08 PM

Cartoon bubble above Mr. Otis’ head:

Hmm. Big Government Progressive Democrats get power, job stifling taxes and regulations go up.

I wonder if there’s a connection?

Dexter_Alarius on December 8, 2011 at 1:09 PM

Why did the fool fall for and go along with Michelle’s “thou shall eat what we dictate” theme?

Boycott them.

Schadenfreude on December 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM

But will his newfound pique at Obama translate into the lack of support Obama deserves for 2012? Probably not. These people carp and carp yet ALWAYS donate to the far left anyway.

Warner Todd Huston on December 8, 2011 at 1:17 PM

People often get the same feeling when they buy a car based strictly on the color./racist comment of the week

RalphyBoy on December 8, 2011 at 1:19 PM

Of course people also get that WTF feeling when they buy a car base strictly on brand/disguised anti-party smirk
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RalphyBoy on December 8, 2011 at 1:23 PM

I’m not new. I’ve been posting here for at least 4 years, thought very sporadically.

Stupidity of that level will always shock me, since I’ve probably been to the right of Jesse Helms my whole life.

DavidM on December 8, 2011 at 1:24 PM

And this all proves that just cause someone has a great paying job, with a good title, and sweet office… it doesn’t mean they know jack about sh*t in general/implied his head fits well up his rear smack down

RalphyBoy on December 8, 2011 at 1:36 PM

But they will still bundle for him and vote for him!
Dumb as a “box of rocks!”

Bambi on December 8, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Who would have thought that a cabinet full of rigid ideologues would give any trouble to the workplace? Thanks Mr. Otis for not thinking this through a little earlier.

texanne on December 8, 2011 at 1:50 PM

“Former Obama donor” CEO Clarence Otis, in effect, paid to have Obama do this to his business. Someone that stupid deserves what he gets.

RJL on December 8, 2011 at 2:50 PM

I have been saying this for a while. Given how many defections are coming over from Team Obama, and the horrible poll numbers, why is this guy still smiling? Why is he seemingly unworried about winning another four years that he desperately wants, but is looking more and more unlikely every day?

Hannibal_32

He has seen our candidates.

xblade on December 8, 2011 at 2:52 PM

they need to know what their costs and exposures will be six months, a year or a decade down the line. It really doesn’t seem like that much to ask.

Asking for anything from this administration is asking for too much. There is an agenda. Period.

lynncgb on December 8, 2011 at 3:05 PM

I don’t know why those who took the Obama proposal deep into their throats are surprised when they gag on it.

vanderleun on December 10, 2011 at 1:45 AM