Breaking: Police officer shot on Virginia Tech campus

posted at 1:20 pm on December 8, 2011 by Tina Korbe

One second, my Twitter feed was filled with quotes from Eric Holder at the Fast and Furious hearing. The next second, it was filled with prayers for #vatech.

According to breaking news reports, a police officer has been shot on the Virginia Tech campus.

The suspect has been described as a white male in gray sweat pants, a gray hat with neon green brim, maroon hoodie and backpack, and he is supposedly still moving about the campus. The school has suspended transit services and has warned anyone on campus to seek shelter.

As Michelle Malkin tweeted, this underscores why VT students have pushed — to no avail — for concealed carry on campus.

Update I: The parking lot in which the shooting occurred — the Coliseum Parking Lot — has been roped off and the police officer has died. His body has been covered.

Update II: A second victim was shot and killed, as well. This is truly heartbreaking. My prayers are definitely with the victims, their families and the entire VT community!


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except it was an open-carry cop who was shot.

fail.

sesquipedalian on December 8, 2011 at 2:49 PM

One case doesn’t disprove all the other ones. And this guy in particular didn’t go straight to a police station to finish his rampage and instead went to a college where no one can carry a weapon. Even he seems to prefer to take on the unarmed, similar to what Bill has described.

Esthier on December 8, 2011 at 2:53 PM

except it was an open-carry cop who was shot.

fail.

sesquipedalian on December 8, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Squires Student Center is cleared. The earlier reports of multiple shots fired were incorrect.

At this time 2 dead.

1 Blacksburg PD Officer-KIA after routine traffic stop

1 other person (possibly a student) dead.

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 2:38 PM

Flora Duh on December 8, 2011 at 2:56 PM

For some reason, gunman seem to avoid areas where they think guns might be pointed back at them.

MechanicalBill on December 8, 2011 at 2:42 PM

except it was an open-carry cop who was shot.

fail.

sesquipedalian on December 8, 2011 at 2:49 PM

except you’re confused that he was advocating open carry

fail.

Which would a madman prefer, a place where some may be armed or a place where they CANNOT be armed?

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 2:57 PM

All exams canned for tomorrow.

One case doesn’t disprove all the other ones. And this guy in particular didn’t go straight to a police station to finish his rampage and instead went to a college where no one can carry a weapon. Even he seems to prefer to take on the unarmed, similar to what Bill has described.

Esthier on December 8, 2011 at 2:53 PM

The traffic stop was ON CAMPUS. Am emailing a map to Tina now.

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Local college paper twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/CollegiateTimes

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM

You people are really insane. Yeah we should let everybody on campus carry a gun. And when one crazed gunman starts shooting dozens of other people can then pull out their guns to shoot him. Bullets flying everywhere. Yeah that would make campuses so much safer. Oh yeah, and this is all obama’s fault.

Mr. Neaux Nonsense on December 8, 2011 at 2:15 PM

You really need to read up on concealed carry incidents. It usually involves two people, the original shooter and the intended victim. Hate to burst your bubble, but nowhere in the US has there ever been a case of a free fire zone that involved multiple CCP holders. Nice nanny state try though…

serenity on December 8, 2011 at 3:05 PM

You people are really insane. Yeah we should let everybody on campus carry a gun. And when one crazed gunman starts shooting dozens of other people can then pull out their guns to shoot him. Bullets flying everywhere. Yeah that would make campuses so much safer. Oh yeah, and this is all obama’s fault.

Mr. Neaux Nonsense on December 8, 2011 at 2:15 PM

Yes that does sound like a gun-safety nut nightmare. But it is only a dream for those loons. Nothing like that has ever happened. People who have carry permits know how to keep bullets from “flying everywhere”.

Lily on December 8, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Carrying tazers, mace, and any other kind of non lethal but potent projectile is an option. Probably just have to hide it if they ban those too. Yeah I know, not as effective… but better than nothing.

scotash on December 8, 2011 at 3:15 PM

I do find it ironic that it is acceptable to politicize tragedies when it serves a right wing interest, i.e. concealed carry laws, but wrong to politicize a tragedy by connecting the Gifford shooting with violent anti-government rhetoric and organizations. Isn’t it pretty popular for conservatives to rag on those in the Obama Administration who claimed it was good to “take advantage of a crisis” or something long those lines?

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

The traffic stop was ON CAMPUS. Am emailing a map to Tina now.

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:01 PM

So even that person was unarmed? This is horrible. Sorry you’re having to go through this again.

Esthier on December 8, 2011 at 3:19 PM

To have this happen at any university is a tragedy. To have it happen at VT, again, is heartbreaking.

Let the grief process run it’s course, say your prayers for the victims and their friends and family, pray for justice and accountability.

We can beat each other the head with pro and anti gun talk later.

WhaleBellied on December 8, 2011 at 3:23 PM

except it was an open-carry cop who was shot.

fail.

sesquipedalian on December 8, 2011 at 2:49 PM

Another leftist who can’t do the math.

Conceal limits the number of dead. Unless the conceal license comes with omniscience, it is not going to alert you to danger… however, the 10 other people carrying can stop the perp.

And perhaps he didn’t have to die if the perp knew that there were others who might be carrying around. This is the omniscience the left has granted criminals, if they don’t have a uniform, they are no hindrance to you… go ahead and fire away… we’ve disarmed the witnesses.

Thanks leftists.

mankai on December 8, 2011 at 3:26 PM

Don’t they have those signs which say no guns allowed? How can this guy have a gun, killing people if those signs are in place? I’m shocked.

Seriously though, I’m sure this guy will be a libertarian off his rocker. I’m close to being off my rocker.

fatlibertarianinokc on December 8, 2011 at 3:26 PM

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Yes, yes it’s a regular bash the Left Wingfest going on here. Exaggerate much?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM

except it was an open-carry cop who was shot.

fail.

Gunmen know cops carry. And they also tend to wear easily identifiable uniforms. A gunman can expect a fight with them. But with concealed carry holders in the population, the gunman can’t tell who will shoot at him or expect any notice or effort to try to take him alive. That provides a lot of dis-insensitive to go nuts in that particular area.
You are putting a lot of effort into not understanding this.

MechanicalBill on December 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM

So even that person was unarmed? This is horrible. Sorry you’re having to go through this again.

Esthier on December 8, 2011 at 3:19 PM

An officer pulled over a person for a “routine traffic stop” in front of Cassell Collesium in it’s parking lot.

I myself have been pulled over there before as a delivery driver. Cassell was also the site of the convocation and video referenced by myself and Michelle Malkin in this post.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/13/video-flashback-yes-some-college-students-do-know-how-to-act-at-a-massacre-memorial/

The officer (as ALL police are) had a service weapon.

The shooter shot the officer at point blank range according to multiple witnesses resulting in instant death. He then fled on foot down Washington Street to the Cage (the only real large student parking lot for students with Residential parking passes).

Another body was found there.

Map of Campus:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52657874/campus-map-highres.pdf

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Whatever your idiotic argument is against concealed carry… I can guarantee one thing, right at this moment there are a lot of VT students who wish they were carrying right at this second.

redhead on December 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM

I do find it ironic that it is acceptable to politicize tragedies when it serves a right wing interest, i.e. concealed carry laws, but wrong to politicize a tragedy by connecting the Gifford shooting with violent anti-government rhetoric and organizations. Isn’t it pretty popular for conservatives to rag on those in the Obama Administration who claimed it was good to “take advantage of a crisis” or something long those lines?

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

Since when is the Tea Party a violent anti-government organization? And what violent anti-government rhetoric?

I’d agree that it’s wrong to make this about concealed carry, but if you’ve ever paid attention to these tragedies except as a tool to hammer conservatives with, you’d realize they always go in the opposite direction, a pitch for tighter gun regulations. So please spare us your hypocrisy.

Esthier on December 8, 2011 at 3:32 PM

The other thing about concealed carry on campuses is that it still doesn’t allow the vast majority of students to carry a gun. The students still have to be 21 or older, so it would only allow graduate students, some juniors/seniors, faculty and staff to carry weapons. You’re not going to see some crazy 18 year old getting a gun legally because of concealed carry on campuses.

vegconservative on December 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:30 PM

Thanks. It seems like it’s been a long time now, do they just suspect that he’s hiding?

Esthier on December 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Using the map link for co-ord’s to the locations I have referenced.

Initial shooting took place in front of building 187 Sector L-8, M-8

Second body found at the Cage (a student parking lot) sector I-7 thru I-10 off of Duck Pond Drive.

It is RUMORED that this shooter committed an armed robbery in Radford yesterday or earlier today

Google maps version for those who don’t want an accurate map:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=211901534883102015905.0004b39a6c99a85f3ab8b&msa=0&ll=37.222384,-80.425394&spn=0.005263,0.010879

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:36 PM

Blogs and twitter feeds are two of the worst places to find accurate details of breaking news like this. There will be plenty of time to hash out “what could have been done in this specific instance” when we know all the facts.

We can only speak in generalities at this point, and generally speaking, allowing citizens to carry guns in an area reduces the probability of a massacre occurring to just about zero.

adamcr on December 8, 2011 at 3:37 PM

If the shooter killed a police officer in the course of a routine traffic stop, is there any thought as to why the second person was shot? Did he carjack someone and has now left the area?

Lily on December 8, 2011 at 3:39 PM

I do find it ironic that it is acceptable to politicize tragedies when it serves a right wing interest, i.e. concealed carry laws, but wrong to politicize a tragedy by connecting the Gifford shooting with violent anti-government rhetoric and organizations.

Whoa, the pubs never tried to expliot a murder attempt of a politician by blaming it on someone who used surveyor’s symbols on a map thus creating an atmosphere of hate and violence. You guys set the bar with the Giffords thing and you had to figure there might be some payback when the ball was in the other court. Whining that the other side is now using the same tactics you do is pretty weak.

tommyboy on December 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM

I do find it ironic that it is acceptable to politicize tragedies when it serves a right wing interest, i.e. concealed carry laws, but wrong to politicize a tragedy by connecting the Gifford shooting with violent anti-government rhetoric and organizations. Isn’t it pretty popular for conservatives to rag on those in the Obama Administration who claimed it was good to “take advantage of a crisis” or something long those lines?

I don’t think most of the media had any problem connecting the Gifford’s shooting to political rhetoric. They did so with little or no evidence. They did so after finding out the guy was just a nut who felt Gifford didn’t take his rambling seriously. They seemed to forget any such language in DNC campaigns but they had no trouble going after Palin or the RNC. And other than being a “victim” is seen as a status symbol for modern “liberals”, why is the ability to defend yourself such a partisan issue? It’s in the constitution. At some point it stops becoming “right-wing interest” and becomes common sense. When will that be? Will the next round of campus shootings do it for you?

MechanicalBill on December 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Yes, yes it’s a regular bash the Left Wingfest going on here. Exaggerate much?

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM

What do you think – he/she will be the first new poster to get banned?

Us “old timers” should start a pool LOL!

gophergirl on December 8, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Link to Radford robbery news report.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/302065

Here is my BEST GUESS of what transpired today so far.

KEEP IN MIND ONLY A GUESS as someone who has worked as a Peace (Security) Officer in DC in the past:

Assailant commits robbery at Radford real estate office 1100-1200 EST today and steals a car (link above). Radford is approximately 15-30 minutes South of us down U.S. 460 West (the main highway around here) depending on traffic

Description of car goes out to all local LEOs and a BOLO (Be On LookOut) is issued.

On Virginia Tech Campus- Reading Day (the day before end of semester exams start) is in progress. There are no classes. Campus is quiet and generally shut down due to frantic exam cramming as well as the horrid snow/ice/freezing rain combo we got yesterday, last night and this morning.

People are meeting with study groups, friends, and Professors for study sessions and exam cramming.

At about 1230-1240 EST Blacksburg police officer sees this car that either was breaking the posted limit (15-25 on campus), matched the BOLO, or just simply looks suspicious so he lights up the car and pulls the vehicle over into the parking lot adjacent to Cassell and the Basketball practice facility.

The officer either approaches the vehicle’s window and is met with gunfire OR is shot as he & the shooter exit their vehicles simultaneously.

Multiple witnesses see this happen in front of their very eyes and police are alerted within seconds either by 911 calls or a radio call by someone on scene.

Since the shooter has now killed an officer he knows the police will have a description of his vehicle and flees on foot to the large student parking lot down the street. He then kills another person most probably as he was attempting to steal a parked vehicle or car-jack a running one.

Police respond to witness reports and find the second body (probably a student)

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:57 PM

Bullets flying everywhere.
Mr. Neaux Nonsense on December 8, 2011 at 2:15 PM

This was the refrain we heard when states started passing concealed carry laws. That and “the streets will be running with blood.” Now 40 states have such laws. No rivers of blood yet. But liberals can always hope!

rrpjr on December 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM

gophergirl on December 8, 2011 at 3:52 PM

I can’t even keep any of them straight yet so I’ll have to wait for the pool. This one will last a while if whining is his/her only vice.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

And other than being a “victim” is seen as a status symbol for modern “liberals”, why is the ability to defend yourself such a partisan issue? It’s in the constitution. At some point it stops becoming “right-wing interest” and becomes common sense. When will that be? Will the next round of campus shootings do it for you?

MechanicalBill on December 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM

When you grow up in a big city “guns” are linked with “death” far too many times for “guns” to be connected with “safety.” A certain segment of the population will never be able to see the issue as one of self defense, hence partisan divide. We’re a big, super diverse country and not everyone has the same experiences with firearms in their formative years. This does not mean they are constitution hating nuts.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:57 PM

I was really hoping second body was the gunman who killed himself after realizing he was in a no win situation.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:07 PM

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

There is seldom any media coverage of crimes halted or perps removed by law abiding citizens who carry, so people are not to be entirely blamed for their misconceptions.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM

I do find it ironic that it is acceptable to politicize tragedies when it serves a right wing interest, i.e. concealed carry laws, but wrong to politicize a tragedy by connecting the Gifford shooting with violent anti-government rhetoric and organizations. libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

I am willing to stand corrected on this if I’m wrong, BUT . . . wasn’t the Giffords shooter documented to have been a major Liberal/Socialist/Commie, who was upset at Sen Giffords over not being liberal enough?

listens2glenn on December 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM

What do you think – he/she will be the first new poster to get banned?

Us “old timers” should start a pool LOL!

gophergirl on December 8, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Doesn’t take them long once they are through the door, does it. A gun issue thread will do it every time.

I wonder which leftist blog(s) sent out the notice it was open registration here yesterday?

Yoop on December 8, 2011 at 4:17 PM

WSLS is live on the scene.A news conference is scheduled for 4:30. Soory no link,I have a new computer at work and not all the programs are in place yet.

Turfking on December 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM

A certain segment of the population will never be able to see the issue as one of self defense, hence partisan divide.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Imagine this situation: You’re alone somewhere and someone is approaching, wanting to do you harm, you have mere seconds to react – would you prefer to be armed or would prefer to wait for the police to show up for what could very well be your lifetime?

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM

We’re a big, super diverse country and not everyone has the same experiences with firearms in their formative years. This does not mean they are constitution hating nuts.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Their lack of experience and understanding in no way gives them ANY right to try and limit my rights. I stay out of their cities, they can stay out of my pasture.

Yoop on December 8, 2011 at 4:22 PM

. . . . . . except it was an open-carry cop who was shot.

fail.

sesquipedalian on December 8, 2011 at 2:49 PM

This is the correct ‘word picture’ that should have been painted concerning this.

. . . . . . except it was an open-carry cop who was shot ambushed.

It’s unfortunately all to easy to ambush a lone Officer making a traffic stop.

listens2glenn on December 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM

listens2glenn on December 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM

No, he just turned out to be a poor young man in the early onset of paranoid schizophrenia. His previous interaction with her in a public meeting for some reason caused him to obsess about her. No rhyme or reason but certainly a tragedy for all involved.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM

I am willing to stand corrected on this if I’m wrong, BUT . . . wasn’t the Giffords shooter documented to have been a major Liberal/Socialist/Commie, who was upset at Sen Giffords over not being liberal enough?

listens2glenn on December 8, 2011 at 4:15 PM

Nope he was a paranoid schizophrenic who wanted his representatives (Giffords wasn’t the only one he contacted) to address the problem of the government using grammar to control the citizens, among other things.

Lily on December 8, 2011 at 4:29 PM

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 3:57 PM

That’s kind of what I was thinking happened too. From my desk many hundreds of miles away.

I am sorry you are so close. It must be awful. Especially the not knowing if he is still out there.

Lily on December 8, 2011 at 4:33 PM

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:27 PM

Lily on December 8, 2011 at 4:29 PM

Thanks, I stand corrected.

listens2glenn on December 8, 2011 at 4:34 PM

We’re a big, super diverse country and not everyone has the same experiences with firearms in their formative years. This does not mean they are constitution hating nuts.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

No, they are Liberty Hating nuts.

What gives you the right to limit someone else’s freedom to defend themselves?

Right out of the box you’re betraying you own username – or should we interpret that as meaning your advocate things being “Liberty Free” – in other words without liberty or freedom?

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Slightly more information at this hour:

The police officer was in his vehicle after pulling over the suspect. The suspect exited his vehicle and approached the driver’s side door pulled his weapon and quite literally blew the officer’s head off.

This was witnessed in full detail by a student who happened to be walking nearby.

The campus lockdown has been lifted at this hour, and police are still combing the town. But they now believe the 2nd body to be that of the gunman. We are still waiting on official confirmation.

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Doesn’t take them long once they are through the door, does it. A gun issue thread will do it every time.

I wonder which leftist blog(s) sent out the notice it was open registration here yesterday?

Yoop on December 8, 2011 at 4:17 PM

I’m glad they’re here. We finally have expert commenters who will be able to explain Holder’s strange reluctance to participate in investigating the Fast and Furious debacle. I’ve been waiting a long time for a lefty gun controller to explain that whole thing to us, now that the donks are clamoring for more regulation regarding purchase requirements, as a lesson learned from it.
Don’t be shy, folks. Speak up.

a capella on December 8, 2011 at 4:46 PM

The October 16, 1991 mass killing at Luby’s in Kileen, Tx sparked the passing of our Concealed Carry Law. Students on college campuses who pass the stiff hurdles of getting a license will not be spraying bullets in all directions as someone has suggested. Trained, mature license holders can go a long way toward ending these terrible events. I carry everytime I leave the house. I stay alert and feel much safer than before. College students could do the same if given the opportunity.

PatrickHenry599 on December 8, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Their lack of experience and understanding in no way gives them ANY right to try and limit my rights. I stay out of their cities, they can stay out of my pasture.

Yoop on December 8, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Hasn’t the NRA targeted gun bans in D.C., Chicago and other large cities? From what I understand, us urban dwellers are at the mercy of the gun sentiment of the pasture much more than vice versa. What was the last major gun control law that passed the federal government, been a few decades hasn’t it?

Right out of the box you’re betraying you own username – or should we interpret that as meaning your advocate things being “Liberty Free” – in other words without liberty or freedom?

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 4:36 PM

I’m a victim of my own dyslexia, the plan was for the name to be freelibOrdie, but in the excitement of open registration I have this one. Though apparently you can change your nickname.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM

I’m glad they’re here. We finally have expert commenters who will be able to explain Holder’s strange reluctance to participate in investigating the Fast and Furious debacle

I’m afraid I can’t help you there. Fast and Furious is a legit scandal that should be national news. Though for my money it is an example of how insane our government has become in trying to prosecute the failed War on Drugs a boondoggely quagmire if there ever was one. Conservatives and liberals should unite on this issue to call for an end to the failed drug war.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:53 PM

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 4:41 PM

The poor officer never had a chance? I had hoped earlier in the threat that the second person was the shooter.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:53 PM

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM

What did you think of the scenario I postulated earlier – You’re alone somewhere and someone is approaching, wanting to do you harm…

….You have mere seconds to react…

Would you prefer to be armed or would you prefer to wait for the police to show up for what could very well be your lifetime?

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 4:57 PM

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM

I believe that although SCOTUS has told both Chicago and D.C. to allow their citizens their Second Amendment rights, both cities are playing games to keep that from happening. The result is that only the lawless have guns and they don’t care about breaking the entire gammit of laws including taking your life and property.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:57 PM

Darn, gammit should be gamit.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Thank you your reporting.

Prayers up for the Officer.

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 4:41 PM

Thank you for your reporting.

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 5:09 PM

This should be my final report before I head to a shower and a much needed The Feast of the Immaculate Conception Mass followed by a night out with some friends to wash away the 4+ year old pain that this brought up.

The officer was a 4 year veteran of the Virginia Tech Police Department (VTPD) not Blacksburg Police (BPD)

The officer was NOT shot by the person he pulled over. He pulled over someone and a THIRD PARTY walked over his vehicle and executed him.

That person then fled to The Cage (parking lot I referenced earlier) and was apparently confronted by a police officer. The officer turned away for a moment for some reason and the person was dead. A weapon was recovered from the second scene and the police refuse to confirm that the 2nd crime scene is that of the shooter from earlier.

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 5:12 PM

The police did NOT shoot the person at the 2nd crime scene.

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 5:13 PM

Darn, gammit should be gamit.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM

Gamut. ;)

I just bought my first handgun last week. I’m preparing for the concealed carry application process now.

Quantus on December 8, 2011 at 5:16 PM

When you grow up in a big city “guns” are linked with “death” far too many times for “guns” to be connected with “safety.”

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

Fairly often, “guns” and “death” in big cities are gang related (those of us who live in big cities are well aware of this) but your average law abiding citizen with a concealed carry permit/gun are not involved (at least in my experience) in those situations/news stories. Their motivation is safety and protection which I would think tend to promote rational thoughtful responses when that protection was needed. The people I know that carry behave in such a manner. They aren’t just shooting guns off for the heck of it.

LazyHips on December 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Quantus on December 8, 2011 at 5:16 PM

You are exactly right, I even looked it up and got it wrong. My proofreading is legendary. Congratulations on the gun, may you never have to use it for anything but recreational target practice.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 5:30 PM

LazyHips on December 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM

Exactly

PatrickHenry599 on December 8, 2011 at 5:32 PM

crr6 is back. Or is it getalife?

Anyhow, my understanding is that the shooter is most likely the 2nd casualty — apparently a suicide. Too bad he didn’t just jump off of the ROTC tower and leave everyone else alone.

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2011 at 5:41 PM

MechanicalBill on December 8, 2011 at 3:51 PM

thank you ….. got there b4 i did …

conservative tarheel on December 8, 2011 at 5:46 PM

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2011 at 5:41 PM

Guess what, someone new registered as crrr6 and I think the original is still around but just hasn’t been commenting.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Guess what, someone new registered as crrr6

Good. I hope it’s someone who will haunt her mercilessly.

and I think the original is still around but just hasn’t been commenting.

Cindy Munford on December 8, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Please; it’s almost supper-time.

hillbillyjim on December 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM

What did you think of the scenario I postulated earlier – You’re alone somewhere and someone is approaching, wanting to do you harm…

….You have mere seconds to react…

Would you prefer to be armed or would you prefer to wait for the police to show up for what could very well be your lifetime?

Chip on December 8, 2011 at 4:57 PM

That is such an unrealistic scenario in my world, it almost sounds like a movie script. I accept that muggings occur, my father was even mugged once, was shot and survived. And the man has never purchased a gun. I do my best not to be in situations where that can happen I suppose.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM

That is such an unrealistic scenario in my world, it almost sounds like a movie script.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM

What, are you already behind bars?

Armed citizens defend themselves, their property, and their families every single day in America. The anti-human progressives that compose the media refuse to report or highlight these stories. It just doesn’t fit their utopian progressive agenda. Two of my staunchest liberal friends have purchased not one, but a few firearms this past year. Both actively campaigned for Hillary, and then for Obama.

It’s a constitutional right. The issue was settled September 17, 1787.

tom daschle concerned on December 8, 2011 at 6:20 PM

When you grow up in a big city “guns” are linked with “death” far too many times for “guns” to be connected with “safety.”

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:04 PM

How many law abiding ‘big city dwellers’ even attempt to use firearms for their own personal safety?

listens2glenn on December 8, 2011 at 6:57 PM

i feel i must apologize here…. on behalf of all of us who prayed for registration to open up .. i apologize. it seems in answering us and allowing us to register we opened the flood gates for trolls….. i see several new names in the comments above which have already landed on my list along with crr6 and a few others. unfortunately it does no good to talk to trolls. they dont listen because they dont want to know the truth. they are inherantly cowards at heart. they choose to believe what they know to be untruths because to admit the truth would require them to actually DO SOMETHING about it . this way they can sit back and whine about life and never have to make a choice.

katee bayer on December 8, 2011 at 9:14 PM

When you grow up in a big city “guns” are linked with “death” far too many times for “guns” to be connected with “safety.” A certain segment of the population will never be able to see the issue as one of self defense, hence partisan divide. We’re a big, super diverse country and not everyone has the same experiences with firearms in their formative years. This does not mean they are constitution hating nuts.

Actually, allowing government to take your constitutional rights away does make you a constitution hating nut. Or at least over idealistic about what nanny government can do for you in exchange of your rights. I’m sorry living in the “big city” as kept you so sheltered. Looking at the problems in Chicago and other large cities, it’s not the “sentiment of the pasture”. It’s the people in the city who are not as sheltered as you and want the ability to protect themselves. The number of homicides in Chicago have soared since the 1982 gun ban. It’s been a complete failure. I haven’t needed to use my gun in self-defense but I don’t try to pretend that others live in “my world” and then advocate what rights they should have. But a good reason I haven’t needed to use my gun in self-defense is that a criminal doesn’t know if I have one or not. So there are people who feel safe in the neighborhood and could never imagine a need for people to own guns. Yet they get to feel that way in large part because a potential criminal can’t tell them from the rest of us who are armed.

MechanicalBill on December 8, 2011 at 9:26 PM

A page to coordinate donations for the slain officer has already arisen.

Please lend some time or effort to this project if at all possible so that his children and step-children have something approaching a decent Christmas this year besides simply a funeral and the exorbitant expense that comes with it.

https://www.facebook.com/events/317632654923222/

SgtSVJones on December 8, 2011 at 11:20 PM

When you grow up in a big city “guns” are linked with “death” far too many times for “guns” to be connected with “safety.” A certain segment of the population will never be able to see the issue as one of self defense, hence partisan divide. We’re a big, super diverse country and not everyone has the same experiences with firearms in their formative years. This does not mean they are constitution hating nuts.

That is a cultural divide, not partisan. Democrats do not only reside in urban areas, and republicans have been known to stray from rural areas….

Just because no one ever took the time to teach you the proper way to handle a gun, and you are so close-minded as an adult that you do not care to put at ease childhood fears.

What segment of the population are you talking about? Self defense is an issue that is nationwide, not localized to densely populated areas.

I did not exactly grow up in a firearm friendly household, but I was able to overcome those “formative years of development” and enjoy guns, for pleasure and self defense. I take gun safety very seriously, and the way you believe is highly detrimental to public gun safety education.

BeLinda on December 8, 2011 at 11:24 PM

You people are really insane. Yeah we should let everybody on campus carry a gun.

Mr. Neaux Nonsense on December 8, 2011 at 2:15 PM

So would the sane position be: only let the bad guys on campus carry guns.

???

I do find it ironic that it is acceptable to politicize tragedies when it serves a right wing interest, i.e. concealed carry laws, but wrong to politicize a tragedy by connecting the Gifford shooting with violent anti-government rhetoric and organizations. Isn’t it pretty popular for conservatives to rag on those in the Obama Administration who claimed it was good to “take advantage of a crisis” or something long those lines?

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

The idea is to deal with the merit of the argument. Irony doesn’t cover that.

anuts on December 8, 2011 at 11:33 PM

When you grow up in a big city “guns” are linked with “death” far too many times for “guns” to be connected with “safety.” A certain segment of the population will never be able to see the issue as one of self defense, hence partisan divide. We’re a big, super diverse country and not everyone has the same experiences with firearms in their formative years. This does not mean they are constitution hating nuts.

That is a cultural divide, not partisan. Democrats do not only reside in urban areas, and republicans have been known to stray from rural areas….

Just because no one ever took the time to teach you the proper way to handle a gun, and you are so close-minded as an adult that you do not care to put at ease childhood fears.

What segment of the population are you talking about? Self defense is an issue that is nationwide, not localized to densely populated areas.

I did not exactly grow up in a firearm friendly household, but I was able to overcome those “formative years of development” and enjoy guns, for pleasure and self defense. I take gun safety very seriously, and the way you believe is highly detrimental to public gun safety education.

BeLinda on December 8, 2011 at 11:42 PM

The Breaking News,as it rolled in!!!
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Virginia Tech police shooting
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/virginia-tech-police-shooting?q=virginia-tech-police-shooting

canopfor on December 9, 2011 at 1:53 AM

@EricCantor

Our hearts and prayers go out to the Virginia Tech community, to the victims and the first responders who are responding to keep people safe
12 Hrs.ago
Update
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on December 9, 2011 at 2:30 AM

As of right now, (6:22 AM, 12/09/2011 Eastern) I can’t seem to find any identifying information on the VA Tech shooter. No name, no age, nothing.

Why?

Is he a member of one of the protected parties? Gay? Islamic? Illegal alien? Democrat? Occupy Wall Streeter?

Don’t we have the right to know?

patch on December 9, 2011 at 6:23 AM

You people are really insane. Yeah we should let everybody on campus carry a gun.

Mr. Neaux Nonsense on December 8, 2011 at 2:15 PM

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone espouse that idea. Anywhere. Ever.
This All or Nothing World you live in, where is it?

FineasFinn on December 9, 2011 at 10:20 AM

As of right now, (6:22 AM, 12/09/2011 Eastern) I can’t seem to find any identifying information on the VA Tech shooter. No name, no age, nothing.

Why?

Is he a member of one of the protected parties? Gay? Islamic? Illegal alien? Democrat? Occupy Wall Streeter?

Don’t we have the right to know?

patch on December 9, 2011 at 6:23 AM

The police have yet to release his identity because the investigation is still ongoing. The ONLY reason that Sung Hui Cho was identified so early 4 years ago was because he WANTED the publicity and made certain to get it by mailing things to the media.

I live here. Give our police time to do their jobs. See ALL my updates from yesterday for more info.

SgtSVJones on December 9, 2011 at 10:45 AM

OK, we’ll see how it palys out.

patch on December 9, 2011 at 12:18 PM

plays not palys

patch on December 9, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Hasn’t the NRA targeted gun bans in D.C., Chicago and other large cities? From what I understand, us urban dwellers are at the mercy of the gun sentiment of the pasture much more than vice versa. What was the last major gun control law that passed the federal government, been a few decades hasn’t it?

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM

Those bans have been found unconstitutional. You’re at the mercy of the Republic’s Constitution, not those of us in the “pasture” – whatever that’s supposed to mean.

That is such an unrealistic scenario in my world, it almost sounds like a movie script. I accept that muggings occur, my father was even mugged once, was shot and survived. And the man has never purchased a gun. I do my best not to be in situations where that can happen I suppose.

libfreeordie on December 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM

The last year I was in college there was a serial rapist specifically targeting women in their on campus apartments. This is and was a relatively safe area to live in. That man was an exception, but it’s far from a movie script.

Guns are the only equalizers we have these days, and there’s something wrong with our system when it’s easier for a criminal to obtain one than a law abiding citizen.

Esthier on December 9, 2011 at 12:38 PM

If anyone wants to help the fallen officer’s wife and 6 children students and alumni (including myself) set up a website in conjunction with a memorial fund established locally by the police department.

In less than 24 hours we have raised $22,000 for his family to cover final expenses, bills for the holiday season, and some Christmas gifts.

By statute all children of fallen officers in the Commonwealth have a full two year ride to any Community or Junior College in the Commonwealth or the first 2 years of a 4 year degree tuition free. The fund will help all of his children years down the road and help his family with immediate costs in the present.

https://sites.google.com/site/hokiesforcrouse/home
https://www.facebook.com/events/317632654923222/

SgtSVJones on December 9, 2011 at 6:07 PM

>> Is he a member of one of the protected parties? Gay? Islamic? Illegal alien? Democrat? Occupy Wall Streeter?

this thread sure took a tank since the kid is white as snow. Nobody wants to pile on on the suburban white kid?

Oh, and this,

>> If anyone wants to help the fallen officer’s wife and 6 children students and alumni (including myself)

Really, you felt the need to point out that this effort includes you? Do we care? More proof of the general underlying psychological issues cops have.

Not that I dont like cops. I love cops.

your_worst_enemy on December 10, 2011 at 3:41 AM

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