New Perry ad: I’ll end Obama’s “war on religion”

posted at 3:40 pm on December 7, 2011 by Allahpundit

Alternate headline: “Perry now basically running Huckabee’s 2007 campaign.” Makes me depressed that a guy who had Texas’s shiny jobs record to run on is now desperate enough to start making empty promises about re-banning gays from the military, but you can’t go wrong in Iowa by playing to social conservatives in the home stretch. (Right, Mitt?) Or … can you? Three more data points from yesterday’s NYT poll:

There’s some potential for Perry among the 38 percent in that last question, but honestly — if gay marriage or DADT is so important to you that your vote might turn on it, you’re going to back Santorum or Bachmann. (Bachmann leads the field with 19 percent, in fact, on the question of which candidate most represents the values you try to live by, and yet she’s still just fifth overall.) Perry’s trying to thread the needle here, I guess, by positioning himself as the most socially conservative candidate who’s electable, but how electable is he right now? He’s just two points ahead of Bachmann in this survey and is tied with her in RCP’s poll average. According to PPP, his favorable rating in the swing state of Colorado is now 16/69, a few points worse than Herman Cain’s. If you’re an Iowan trying to decide between him and Bachmann, why prioritize his alleged electability over her Iowa roots?

Exit quotation from the Log Cabin Republicans: “[It's] wrong for Governor Perry to assume being a person of faith does not afford one to support equality.”

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astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM

Tell that freshman, astonerii.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

You also note that the nation is decaying and rotting.

I note no such thing. I see a nation in a state of change.

At some point it will either collapse, or be retaken by people like me.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 5:47 PM

Or it will neither collapse nor be “retaken” by people like you.

Your turn…

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 5:54 PM

I note no such thing. I see a nation in a state of change.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 5:54 PM

Then you really are a chump … or just plain stupid.

darwin on December 7, 2011 at 5:57 PM

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Firm and fair I say.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM

I note no such thing. I see a nation in a state of change.

Yeah, the same way France changed in the 1790s.

tommyboy on December 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM

You know what, if Perry can come out and say he will reinstate do not ask do not tell, and can hold that position until election day, I just might vote for him.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Perry is a man of faith – a devout Christian – and most conservatives know it apart from you, it seems.

If you can’t be bothered to research his records and want him to come out and pander to you by promising to repeal DADT, then you are denser than I ever thought you were.

You know why?

Because you obviously prefer the serial adulterer, Gingrich, to Perry and I don’t recall him pandering to you to earn that preference.

Go see a shrink or retire to your prayer room to deal with your innate hatred and bitterness against Gov. Perry.

TheRightMan on December 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Freedom of religion means you are free to exercise your religion and should not be attacked or suffer prejudice for it.

Islam agrees.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Tell that freshman, astonerii.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 5:53 PM

Ah! The cheerleading squad has arrived!

Firm and fair I say.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Firm and fruity for me.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Sorry my post @ 6:01 pm should read:

If you can’t be bothered to research his records and want him to come out and pander to you by promising to repeal re-instate DADT…

TheRightMan on December 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Perry’s ad is a bold stand against the war on Christianity that has been transpiring for a number of years in this nation. School districts have been banning Christmas carols, nativity scenes, courts have been ordering the removal of the 10 Commandments from public buildings, crosses to honor fallen police officers are being banned from public property, Christmas trees are being renamed holiday trees, and prayers have been banned from stadiums, among plenty of other attacks on Christianity.

Perry is politically adept in releasing this ad during the Christmas season in Iowa, where 40% of Iowa caucus voters are Christians. He will earn respect for standing up for Jesus Christ when few high profile political figures are willing to do so.

My suspicion is this ad will get the attention of many Iowa conservative voters. If Perry follows this up with strong debate performances, like he did in the Huckabee forum this past weekend, he may see his poll numbers increasing and become competitive again.

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Wow, you mean you libs are going to gives us a whole 2 hours a week. How “tolerant” of you.

It is your choice if you only go to church 2 hours a week.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

School districts have been banning Christmas carols, nativity scenes, courts have been ordering the removal of the 10 Commandments from public buildings, crosses to honor fallen police officers are being banned from public property, Christmas trees are being renamed holiday trees, and prayers have been banned from stadiums, among plenty of other attacks on Christianity.

/golf clap

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 6:04 PM

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 5:58 PM

Oh, I agree. You gotta smack em down early, or they’ll just keep taking it further. I’m agnostic and find “Xian” intentionally offensive and unnecessarily hostile to religious conservatives. You want tolerance, chumpThreads? Show some yourself.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 6:07 PM

/golf clap

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 6:04 PM

You’ll look good in a burqa …

darwin on December 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM

TheRightMan on December 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Perry does not, DOES NOT stand up and fight for CONSERVATIVE POLICIES.

Remember his position on Social Security as he became a nominee? How long did that last? Uh huh, 2 days. Then he started sliding towards the progressive stance on the program

Who said anything about pandering? I want the weasel stand up and be counted on doing conservative things. Particularly the hard ones. If he does not want to earn my backing, he will not.

Newt on the Other hand balanced the budget and got massive welfare reform enacted against an unfriendly president. When Newt comes out with a plan that conservatives do not like, he moves towards the conservatives.

What has Perry done while in power? Enacted an EO against a friendly citizenry and legislature (got repudiated for that). Championed the Texas Dream act (Texans seem to like it) and called conservatives heartless (which he later rescinded, because it was costing him massive amounts of support and donors). Other than that, the only other thing I heard he has accomplished was the Medical Malpractice Tort Reform, which gives him kudos, but not my vote.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Freedom of religion means you are free to exercise your religion and should not be attacked or suffer prejudice for it.

Islam agrees.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

Is that right? Guess all those stories we constantly hear of Christians being jailed or executed in islamic countries are all bogus then, good to know.

clearbluesky on December 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Islam agrees.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 6:01 PM

You’re quite a liar. Don’t you have a moral compass to guide you?

darwin on December 7, 2011 at 6:13 PM

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Outside of Paul, can you name one presidential candidate that does not hold the same view? It is not bold. Its a given position as far as I know. I certainly do not think that Bachmann would need to remind people of her Christianity and support of it. If anyone should be using their religion to bolster themselves, it would be Newt who has the most to gain from it, showing how it made him a changed man, and I have yet to see him tout it. He may have, just have not seen it, if so, please linky.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Oh, I agree. You gotta smack em down early, or they’ll just keep taking it further. I’m agnostic and find “Xian” intentionally offensive and unnecessarily hostile to religious conservatives. You want tolerance, chumpThreads? Show some yourself.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 6:07 PM

“X” being the Greek letter “chi” was used by the early Christians as an abbreviation for “Christ”. Thus “Xmas”.

Apology accepted.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM

“X” being the Greek letter “chi” was used by the early Christians as an abbreviation for “Christ”. Thus “Xmas”.

Apology accepted.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Not accepted. You know it is used in a derogatory manner. I could care less what you want to use as your reasoning.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

I like this ad. Good message and nice seeing him out of a suit.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on December 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Perry 2012
bzip on December 7, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Hi, bzip! I don’t post at Red State, but I always enjoying reading your posts over there!

Aslans Girl on December 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM

I just looked at the ad on YouTube. Thumbs up/down is 550 to 20,313. (It was 20,312 but I added one.)

Tzetzes on December 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM

Perry likes this site a lot, apparently he thinks its called “Hot Gas”, lol!

http://www.mediaite.com/online/know-your-friends-rick-perry-calls-influential-conservative-hot-air-blog-hot-gas-on-cnn/

Linden on December 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Not accepted. You know it is used in a derogatory manner. I could care less what you want to use as your reasoning.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Oh dear…another mind reader.

Obviously you’re not going to let the facts stand in the way of your psychic prowess.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Nice Ad from Team Perry..:)

Dire Straits on December 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM

“X” being the Greek letter “chi” was used by the early Christians as an abbreviation for “Christ”. Thus “Xmas”.

Apology accepted.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM

Not accepted. You know it is used in a derogatory manner. I could care less what you want to use as your reasoning.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Yeah, exactly.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM

Oh dear…another mind reader.

Obviously you’re not going to let the facts stand in the way of your psychic prowess.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM

It is called wisdom, not psychic abilities. But of course, people like you enjoy going for the hatred attacks, it is part and parcel of your lack of a certain attribute that helps people be good human beings as opposed to filthy animals. But since your mind has a specific need, you got out and try and fill that void with all manner of things, and become ever more desperate to have that gnawing feeling satiated that can never be.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:29 PM

Yeah, exactly.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 6:24 PM

And I’ll bet neither of you even bothered to click on the link.
Facts are irrelevant when you can create offense out of thin air, right?

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:30 PM

There’s some potential for Perry among the 38 percent in that last question, but honestly — if gay marriage or DADT is so important to you that your vote might turn on it, you’re going to back Santorum or Bachmann.

Perry is more electable and better suited for the general election. I’d like to see Perry make a comeback. Of course Obama is anti-Christian. He’s a Liberal.

Perry could have added something about infanticide as well since it also exposes another front in Obama’s war against Christianity. Liberalism is incompatible with Christianity and Obama’s push to implement a Liberal social agenda puts him in direct conflict with Christianity.

Blue Collar Todd on December 7, 2011 at 6:35 PM

It is called wisdom

Self recommendation is no recommendation.

not psychic abilities. But of course, people like you enjoy going for the hatred attacks, it is part and parcel of your lack of a certain attribute that helps people be good human beings as opposed to filthy animals. But since your mind has a specific need, you got out and try and fill that void with all manner of things, and become ever more desperate to have that gnawing feeling satiated that can never be.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:29 PM

However, I can safely say you are a dreary and tiresome, arm-chair psychologist.
Sorry, best I can do.

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM

And I’ll bet neither of you even bothered to click on the link.
Facts are irrelevant when you can create offense out of thin air, right?

chumpThreads on December 7, 2011 at 6:30 PM

Taking the Christ out of Christmas and changing it to Xmas is the work of the atheists. Now, how many people in the world today know what the X stands for? Is there a reason for changing it? Of course, so that it can be turned into an even less religious holiday. Using some old esoteric language argument does you no good. We know the reason, we understand the result, and we are not going to be willing partners in your attack.
the name is Christmas, we live in modern America. The name is Christian, we know who Christ is, X is a letter.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:40 PM

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM

The issue is the ad, and its potential impact, not who is professing faith in Jesus Christ. It is a bold ad in the sense that it directly raises and addresses the “war” on Christianity which is quite obvious, as the secular forces, have been aggressively attempting to remove Christianity from the institutions of society, and the culture; and replace it with secular humanism. I am not aware of any other candidate who has cited this “war” in their campaign, in this manner. It should be noted that Ron Paul did profess faith in Jesus Christ in the Iowa debate that was moderated by Frank Luntz a few weeks ago.

It is interesting as the nation moves steadily away from its moral moorings, rooted in Christian doctrine, the worse the nation has faired. We see failure practically everywhere in this nation, whether in government, education, the economy, breakdown of the family unit, and the decline of the culture. The one institution where we do not see failure, is the military; and sadly and dangerously, the moral fabric of the military is also being undermined, in the effort to transform this nation into a secular society.

We have moved far away from the convictions of the framers. Evidence of their convictions is well-documented. For example,

John Adams:

“The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.1

The Holy Ghost carries on the whole Christian system in this earth. Not a baptism, not a marriage, not a sacrament can be administered but by the Holy Ghost. . . . There is no authority, civil or religious – there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation.2

Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company: I mean hell.3

The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.4

Suppose a nation in some distant region should take the Bible for their only law book and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopia – what a Paradise would this region be!5

I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.6 ”

There are countless other declarations from the Founders which can be viewed here, with the original sourced documents cited.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755

This nation has no religious test to serve in any public office. Notwitstanding, even the Founders whose convictions about the deity of Christ are historically uncertain, recognized the veracity of Christianity.

Benjamin Franklin:

“As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30″

“I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.”

The principle question seems to be what kind of nation America will be; will it rid itself of its moral foundation based upon Christianity; or will it become a secular nation?

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 6:46 PM

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 6:46 PM

I agree with you on everything. That is a very impressive write up.

But I do not support Perry. I do not trust him to fight back and work to win when we try to move this nations laws to be more in line with the Constitution as it was written and Amended. I have not seen the man fight for conservative values. So far I have seen him back track as soon as he has gotten liberal pressure on his positions. I just do not see that being the leader we need at the helm.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Taking the Christ out of Christmas and changing it to Xmas is the work of the atheists.

I wish we could take credit for that… regrettably the abbreviation goes back 1000 years.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM

I wish we could take credit for that… regrettably the abbreviation goes back 1000 years.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 7:03 PM

Actually 1900 years, but who is counting. But you took the quote out of context.

Context is, who today knows what X means? It is a letter, plain and simple to almost all people alive today. Thus, trying to argue that using Xmas is the same as Christmas because people back 1900 years to 450 years ago knew what the X was for is just a straw man argument. What the real purpose is, is to get people to use the X frequently, until they can just drop the whole Christ part of it sometime in the future.

It is cute how you use history to try and pull a fast one, but no dice.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Benjamin Franklin:

“As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.30″

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 6:46 PM

You left out the rest of the quote…let me help you.

but I apprehend it has received various corrupting
Changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity.”

Here are some more by Ben.

“The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”

“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.”

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 7:09 PM

Context is, who today knows what X means? It is a letter, plain and simple to almost all people alive today. Thus, trying to argue that using Xmas is the same as Christmas because people back 1900 years to 450 years ago knew what the X was for is just a straw man argument. What the real purpose is, is to get people to use the X frequently, until they can just drop the whole Christ part of it sometime in the future.

I heard a rumor that Christopher Hitchens was legally changing his name to Xopher Hitchens.

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 7:12 PM

Pablo Honey on December 7, 2011 at 7:09 PM

No, I did not leave anything out. I observed in my post that Franklin was one of the Founders whose position on the deity of Christ was uncertain based upon historical records. In effect, I did not say that Frankin was a Christian, or that He believed that Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, but only that he recognized the God of the Bible, whose word he quoted in his speech at the Constitutional convention. In any event, the fact that there are quotations from anyone including Franklin which represent uncertainty or doubt, or even disavowal of Christianity, is certainly not to be considered uncommon by anyone prior to being saved, which occurs by placing their trust in Jesus Christ as having atoned for their personal sins, as a substitutionary sacrifice, and thereby being justified, that is, declared not guilty, but righteous, by God, and granted the promise of eternal life in His Kingdom of Heaven.

Linked below is the full text of Franklin’s speech at the Convention.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/benfranklin.htm

Linked below is a full account of the events surrounding his speech at the convention.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=98

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 7:44 PM

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 7:00 PM

I understand your point about Perry. I have not been a supporter of Perry for the reasons you cite among others, but was only assessing his standing and prospects in the race, in consideration of this new ad. Thank you for the kind remarks about the posting.

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Go away, Perry.

You’re embarrassing yourself. The fact that you’re still in the race should not be taken as a compliment. It’s merely a sad commentary on the rest of the field.

Splashman on December 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

This quotation from Franklin provokes particularly interesting thought about his convictions:

“The body of Benjamin Franklin, printer, like the cover of an old book, its contents torn out and stripped of its lettering and guilding, lies here, food for worms. Yet the work itself shall not be lost; for it will, as he believed, appear once more in a new and more beatiful edition, corrected and amended by the Author.31 (FRANKLIN’S EULOGY THAT HE WROTE FOR HIMSELF)”

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755#R31

SheetAnchor on December 7, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Ok, Rick Perry lost me a while ago but I’m seriously puzzled about the response from the left to this. Supposedly, Perry is now gay-bashing, wants to stop gays from serving in the military, and is a giant bigot.

Did I miss something or did he only say the word ‘gay’ once and it was more or less to say, “Hey, if we’re tolerant enough to allow this over here (gays in the military) why won’t we allow this other thing over here (students to freely pray in school)?”

Queasy on December 7, 2011 at 8:12 PM

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM

Perry never changed on Social Security, he still considers it a Ponzi Scheme and should not be a Federal pension plan. Gingrich just does a better job articulating potential solutions, as Cain did before him.

Daemonocracy on December 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

On the one hand, I do agree that there are some situations in which Christians/Christianity are treated unfairly. Not too long ago I think there was a story about a family being fined by the government for holding bible studies in their house. That sort of stuff is completely uncalled for. Everyone in the U.S. has the right to freedom of religion-to follow whichever religion that they wish without fear of being harmed by the government for doing so.

But, on the other hand, I do not believe that religious scripture should be a determining factor when creating/altering legislation that will affect the entire country. Obviously I speak for nobody but myself, and I am probably in the minority, but I believe that repealing DADT was the right thing to do. I also believe that DOMA is unconstitutional due to Section 1 of the 14th amendment. But, as I said, this is only my opinion, and I’m sure that many others will disagree with me.

theoddmanout on December 7, 2011 at 8:51 PM

Perry never changed on Social Security, he still considers it a Ponzi Scheme and should not be a Federal pension plan. Gingrich just does a better job articulating potential solutions, as Cain did before him.

Daemonocracy on December 7, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Perry, a top-tier Republican presidential candidate, said that current recipients shouldn’t worry about his reform plans. “If you’re on it or approaching it,” Perry said, your Social Security benefits wouldn’t change. But for others, he said, “give them a private account or whatever it is.”

So, the people who created and kept the ponzi scheme get to keep their unearned benefits and the younger people get to keep paying for them and then get the pleasure of paying even more for their own private accounts, by force of law.

Social Security spends more than it takes in every year with the tax rate at the current 12.4%. That 12.4.% will have to be increased at some point, the government will have to find more people outside the government willing to buy the trust funds IOUs, adding to our real debt, it could simply print the money and make everyones dollars worth less or it could do a combination of two or all three of these to pay out those who are close to retiring. You know, every single last one of the baby boomer generation.

So, how exactly does a younger person actually get a personal savings account? The only way that can happen is if the government takes more money from them, forcing them to put that money into a “safe” investment, you know, like buying IOU’s from the baby boomers trust fund with their effectively doubled SS taxes.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 9:05 PM

I guess

“f all of you gays and non-Christians”

didn’t fill up the whole 30 seconds so they had to add some other words.

Dave Rywall on December 7, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Dave Rywall on December 7, 2011 at 11:17 PM

I missed those words.

I guess small minds fill themselves up with the darnedest things.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 11:24 PM

I missed those words.

I guess small minds fill themselves up with the darnedest things.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 11:24 PM
——

Does fighting the mosque near Ground Zero count in the War on Religion©®™?

Or does Perry simply lack the balls to say what he really means?

Dave Rywall on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Is gay bashing the way to the presidency? All Perry is doing is giving credence to those who characterize Republicans as promoting a Christian theocracy. Either we’re all American citizens with equal rights, or the Constitution means nothing.

NNtrancer on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 PM

Does fighting the mosque near Ground Zero count in the War on Religion©®™?

Or does Perry simply lack the balls to say what he really means?

Dave Rywall on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 PM

I would say fighting that is fighting the war on ideas. Are we a nation that allows those who attack us to build monuments essentially right on top of the ground where they attacked us?

As for Perry, I am not his supporter. He has much work to convince me to back him. he makes some good arguments, and never has the spine to stick em out to fruition.

As for gays. Openly gay in the military is on the other side of the river of a destination I do not want this nation to go.

Be nice to see the day your name no longer shows up here. But until that day, consider me to be less than friendly towards your ideals about both of your issues.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 11:44 PM

I would say fighting that is fighting the war on ideas. Are we a nation that allows those who attack us to build monuments essentially right on top of the ground where they attacked us?

As for Perry, I am not his supporter. He has much work to convince me to back him. he makes some good arguments, and never has the spine to stick em out to fruition.

As for gays. Openly gay in the military is on the other side of the river of a destination I do not want this nation to go.

Be nice to see the day your name no longer shows up here. But until that day, consider me to be less than friendly towards your ideals about both of your issues.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 11:44 PM
——-

He said war on religion. He feels religion is being persecuted somehow. Islam is a religion. It was being crapped upon in New York. So is the Ground Zero mosque, or any of the many, many mosques across the country whose construction was opposed part of the War on Religion or not?

If not, then why did Perry say War on Religion when he only meant certain religions?

And why did he not have the balls to say War on Christianity since that’s probably what he meant?

Dave Rywall on December 7, 2011 at 11:57 PM

Re-post from previous headlines link.

Worst, most offensive ad so far this year. You seriously think independents are going to vote for this guy? He is not going to win any swing state. He is not going to win anything. If anything, this is just material for late night comedy shows.

DanStark on December 8, 2011 at 1:51 AM

I never report my charitable contributions on any tax form. Defeats the purpose of it being charity if people know about it and if I get a tax break in return.

Nethicus on December 7, 2011 at 3:49 PM

THIS.

As for the DADT, it was rammed thru w/o regard to consequences. Furthermore, while porn mags have come off the shelves in the PX long ago, the LGBT community gets a pass and now there a new ‘porn’ mag aimed at gay soldiers. So where’s the equality for straight soldiers? Or better yet, why the exception? Any of these mags could be found locally and off base, so why endorse gay porn when we don’t endorse other forms of porn?

AH_C on December 8, 2011 at 10:23 AM

Obvious pandering to the Christian vote is obvious.

Grindstone on December 8, 2011 at 10:50 AM

Obvious pandering to the Christian vote is obvious.

Grindstone on December 8, 2011 at 10:50 AM
——
Hold on now – who knows who Perry’s pandering to?

He’s wearing Heath Ledger’s jacket from Brokeback Mountain.

Sneaky Perry. Verrrrry sneaky!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51019368@N04/6477484921/

Dave Rywall on December 8, 2011 at 1:01 PM

In any event, the fact that there are quotations from anyone including Franklin which represent uncertainty or doubt, or even disavowal of Christianity, is certainly not to be considered uncommon by anyone prior to being saved, which occurs by placing their trust in Jesus Christ as having atoned for their personal sins, as a substitutionary sacrifice, and thereby being justified, that is, declared not guilty, but righteous, by God, and granted the promise of eternal life in His Kingdom of Heaven.

in short: it’s not unusual for someone who doesn’t believe in god to not believe in god – very helpful

WestOfAshland on December 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM

He said war on religion. He feels religion is being persecuted somehow. Islam is a religion. It was being crapped upon in New York. So is the Ground Zero mosque, or any of the many, many mosques across the country whose construction was opposed part of the War on Religion or not?

If not, then why did Perry say War on Religion when he only meant certain religions?

And why did he not have the balls to say War on Christianity since that’s probably what he meant?

Dave Rywall on December 7, 2011 at 11:57 PM

You misunderstand islam. It isn’t a religion, it’s a political ideology. It’s adherents want you dead. Period. Any exceptions you can find to the preceding statement will rarely say it aloud, and then only in safe countries where they won’t be immediately killed for their choice to allow others to live without islam.

But of course you know all this as well as I do. You use religion to destroy others. You use it to gain political advantage. You use it to get and keep power for your fellow travelers. In other words, you use it the same way islamists use it. It’s just a question of tactics. Yours aren’t quite as violent (yet).

runawayyyy on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

You misunderstand islam. It isn’t a religion, it’s a political ideology. It’s adherents want you dead. Period. Any exceptions you can find to the preceding statement will rarely say it aloud, and then only in safe countries where they won’t be immediately killed for their choice to allow others to live without islam.

But of course you know all this as well as I do. You use religion to destroy others. You use it to gain political advantage. You use it to get and keep power for your fellow travelers. In other words, you use it the same way islamists use it. It’s just a question of tactics. Yours aren’t quite as violent (yet).

runawayyyy on December 8, 2011 at 3:18 PM

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You don’t seem to know what a religion is. That’s okay.

Dave Rywall on December 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM

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