New e-mails: ATF officials discussed using Fast & Furious to … push gun control

posted at 4:15 pm on December 7, 2011 by Allahpundit

The logical extension of Rahm’s famous remark about never letting a serious crisis go to waste. If a grave problem is an opportunity to push your agenda, imagine how much farther you can push it by making the problem graver.

Another F&F bombshell from CBS’s Sharyl Attkisson:

ATF officials didn’t intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called “Demand Letter 3″. That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or “long guns.” Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF’s Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

“Bill – can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks.”

On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as “(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue.” And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: “Bill–well done yesterday… (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case.”

Follow the link and read the e-mails from a participating gun dealer to the ATF asking for a letter affirming that he was only selling these weapons at the agency’s behest. He was worried that the sales were shady and wanted legal cover in case the bureau later turned around and decided that the dealers were “irresponsible” or whatever in making the sales — which was awfully prescient given the ATF’s subsequent political opportunism. But then, none of this is surprising: Congressional Democrats and even Eric Holder himself have already used F&F as a pretext to call for more gun control. I thought the sleaziest bit of White House scandal spin we’d see this year was the Energy Department asking Solyndra to hold off on layoffs until after election day in 2010. Nope: Per the new F&F e-mails, they’re actually using their own scandals now as a pretext for greater regulation. Says Dan McLaughlin, “Obama Administration once again lives down to every paranoid caricature of itself.”

Darrell Issa said today he’s going to press Holder at tomorrow’s hearing to “clean house” at the DOJ. Chuck Grassley, for one, knows just where to start.

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weren’t those of us saying this exact thing written off as kooks?

Funny that…

clement on December 7, 2011 at 6:17 PM

Wow. I guess it’s not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

WannabeAnglican on December 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM

Memo to the GOP presidential field: You want to fire up the base? Talk Fast & Furious in the next debate.

Lawdawg86 on December 7, 2011 at 6:31 PM

Treason from answers.com

Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
A betrayal of trust or confidence.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/treason#ixzz1ftXNKkD2

I believe this is a perfect fit.

Happy to be here with you all after 3 years of lurking. You all are some of the brightest commenters i have ever read.

FLconservative on December 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM

Obama and Holder are guilty of mass murder. Hundreds of Mexicans have been murdered just from the F&F guns recovered which is likely only a small fraction of the murders as most of the time the guns would not be recovered. The total number of Mexicans murdered by Obama and Holder could well exceed the number of people murdered on 9/11. Obama and Holder have committed an act of war on Mexico.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 7, 2011 at 6:39 PM

So, was the F&F project an effort to create a “mass casualty event” within the United States to generate an pretext to impact the second amendment?

With the Mexican drug cartels filling in for Marinus van der Lubbe while Holder dumps gasoline in the Reichstag.

MidniteRambler on December 7, 2011 at 6:40 PM

WOW! this is a big effing deal…..HUGE

ted c on December 7, 2011 at 6:41 PM

They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They broke it. They should be removed at once.

SDN on December 7, 2011 at 6:42 PM

They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They broke it. They should be removed at once.

SDN on December 7, 2011 at 6:42 PM

With the Republicans in office today. Obama could sacrifice our entire Pacific Fleet and not be held to account.

astonerii on December 7, 2011 at 6:43 PM

Ya know,for some inexplicable reason(s),this administration seems
to have a mission,where its either a fine line of stupidity,or,is
deliberate act of incompetency sobatagey!!!

canopfor on December 7, 2011 at 6:45 PM

I’m shocked! Shocked!!

Pray tell — what other logical explanation was there ever for what the Administration did here?

FiveG on December 7, 2011 at 6:47 PM

The phrase Reichstag Fire comes to mind.

pedestrian on December 7, 2011 at 6:54 PM

If the other shoe drops in the forest and the MSM doesn’t report it, does it make a sound?

ElectricPhase on December 7, 2011 at 7:04 PM

“Don’t waste a good crisis!”
Rahm Emanuel

In their case it should read:

“Don’t waste a good artificial crisis!”

listens2glenn on December 7, 2011 at 7:10 PM

I remember people saying that idea was crazy conspiracy talk. But even if it’s true, it’s still crazy. This should be another big story for the GOP nominee. Obama’s team is certainly willing to do amazingly underhanded things in order to get the outcomes they want.

Things like giving guns to criminals so they can get guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

hawksruleva on December 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

The scandals of this administration eclipse the pedantic nitpicking of most of Bush’s so-called scandals, like the whole Joe Wilson farce.

Yet, neither the media nor, astonishingly, the GOP candidates are raising any real awareness of the seriousness of the fraud, deception, incompetence and malfeasance of the clowns in charge now.

I mean, this F&F scandal has been obvious from the beginning, especially that political aspect of it where, at best, they were trying to capitalize on a tragic mistake and at worst they staged the whole thing for that very political purpose, only to have it go far worse than they ever, in their gross incompetence, imagined.

I don’t know why but the media thought Bush firing a few attorneys who serve at the pleasure of the President was a nearly impeachable imposition of politics at the DOJ, but lets most democrats claim selective amnesia that this scandal even happened, much less resulted in the deaths of innocent people.

bobcalco on December 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Things like giving guns to criminals so they can get guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

That is a great observation and a wonderful way to put this scandal in perspective!

bobcalco on December 7, 2011 at 7:20 PM

Gee, what a huge surprise to…absolutely nobody who was paying attention. From an inside baseball standpoint, i.e. ‘Why take this huge risk with F&F,’ it was obviously all just a pretext to push for more and bigger gun regulations.

But it’s awesome to have an actual smoking gun. The smartest, most transparent administration EVAH looks dumber and more opaque every day.

Good Solid B-Plus on December 7, 2011 at 7:23 PM

I was half expecting a Captain Louis Renault Award … but I guess that’s Ed’s thing.

SD Tom on December 7, 2011 at 7:37 PM

I don’t know why but the media thought Bush firing a few attorneys who serve at the pleasure of the President was a nearly impeachable imposition of politics at the DOJ, but lets most democrats claim selective amnesia that this scandal even happened, much less resulted in the deaths of innocent people.
bobcalco on December 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM

Well, we do know why. It’s because they are actively engaged in getting Democrats elected, so there is a conspiracy of silence.

Buy Danish on December 7, 2011 at 7:42 PM

Where’s the Mexican outrage? Just wait, it’s coming. Will Mexicans flee the Dem party in significant numbers in 012? Will they view fast and furious as a murderous conspiracy, as a program designed by the Obama administration to influence national gun control policy at the expense of ‘expendable’ Hispanics. Will they see it as a humiliation and as a window into the heart and motives of the American Democratic party. I hope so.. and I think so.

dakota on December 7, 2011 at 8:11 PM

When will our illustrious powers that be prosecute these corruptocrats,ooops sorry folks , dreams are free ?

Sandybourne on December 7, 2011 at 8:30 PM

How does DC stop from being overrun with people looking for a handout? It should look like Rio De Janeiro. How do they stop it from happening? DC is the problem. Of that, there can be NO DOUBT.

pc on December 7, 2011 at 9:24 PM

As a newb (but have been reading HA for years) and having no allegiance to any political party, I’ll diffidently ask,

Does it occur to anyone to widen the response beyond denouncing the Obama administration?

Or thought of adopting the techniques being used by the Obama administration?

I followed the last link in the article and was struck by the following:

“… a senior Judiciary committee Democrat, Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, who said it “only highlights the partisan nature of this inquiry.”

Why isn’t Sen. Chuck Schumer as much of a target as Holder for your anger? Why should he be given a free pass to characterize the investigation as being partisan in nature? The DOJ has admitted to “misleading Congress”. Does Senator Schumer view the acknowldged acts that led to the death of ICE Agent Terry as being something ONLY Republicans would deem as being worthy of investigation?

Pol

PolAgnostic on December 7, 2011 at 9:29 PM

No surprise here. First the came for the guns….

Frogdaddy on December 7, 2011 at 9:50 PM

Alcohol is legal, Tobacco is legal, Firearms are legal (and protected by the 2nd Amendment)… the AFT not so much. Time to end the ATF.

Dasher on December 7, 2011 at 10:13 PM

The most shocking thing about any of this is that the main story is actually being covered by CBS.

DaMav on December 7, 2011 at 11:19 PM

They ALL should be LOCKED UP, with BLAGO.

tx2654 on December 8, 2011 at 1:57 AM

I wonder how much push back from the lefties CBS, and the journalist in question is getting for doing this investigation.

scotash on December 8, 2011 at 3:47 AM

What we need is a big dose of Holder Control.

The man is a loose cannon.

Sherman1864 on December 8, 2011 at 10:07 AM

Now there is proof of the plan to erode our second amndment rights. Now does anyone think for an instant this plan originated with these emails?

No, it did not. These emails are an echo of what came down from Valerie Jarret, Mr. Zero and Holder.

I agree, they are guilty of treason and must be held accountable.

dogsoldier on December 8, 2011 at 10:24 AM

I wonder how much push back from the lefties CBS, and the journalist in question is getting for doing this investigation.

scotash on December 8, 2011 at 3:47 AM

I’m really surprised CBS is letting Sharyl Attkisson dig as deep as she is. Got to give credit where credit is due…This is what journalism is supposed to look like!

ManWithNoName on December 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM

Where’s the Mexican outrage? Just wait, it’s coming. Will Mexicans flee the Dem party in significant numbers in 012? Will they view fast and furious as a murderous conspiracy, as a program designed by the Obama administration to influence national gun control policy at the expense of ‘expendable’ Hispanics. Will they see it as a humiliation and as a window into the heart and motives of the American Democratic party. I hope so.. and I think so.

dakota on December 7, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Just a guess, but you would be wrong. Ok, so I was wrong about Blago not paying a price, but this time I again predict no one will ever suffer consequences related to this failure. No one. Ever. And that’s the biggest pity of them all.

runawayyyy on December 8, 2011 at 3:28 PM

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