Gingrich takes wide leads in NC, CO in PPP polls

posted at 11:30 am on December 7, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

The Newt Gingrich surge has broken out of the early primary states, according to Democratic pollster PPP.  The former Speaker now has a 37-point lead over Mitt Romney in North Carolina, a state that broke for Barack Obama in 2008, and now leads in Colorado after having only had 9% of the vote in the last survey in the series:

Newt Gingrich’s momentum in the Republican Presidential race is continuing to build: PPP finds him with large leads in both North Carolina and Colorado. It’s also looking more and more like the GOP contest is down to a two man race, as Gingrich and Mitt Romney are the only candidates in double digits in either of those states.

In North Carolina Gingrich is at 51% to 14% for Romney, 8% for Michele Bachmann, 7% for Ron Paul, 4% for Rick Perry, 3% for Rick Santorum, 1% for Jon Huntsman, and 0% for Gary Johnson.

In Colorado Gingrich is at 37% to 18% for Romney, 9% for Bachmann, 6% for Paul, 4% for Perry and Santorum, 3% for Huntsman, and 1% for Johnson.

5 weeks ago Gingrich was at 22% in North Carolina, so he’s gained 29 points since then. In August Gingrich was at 9% in Colorado, so he’s gained 28 points since our last poll there.

Not surprisingly, considering those numbers, Gingrich now leads in practically every demographic:

Gingrich’s wide leads are a reflection of the fact that he’s basically winning every group of Republican voters now.  For instance he’s very strong with the Tea Party, leading Romney 53-10 in NC (with Bachmann at 13%) and leading Romney 42-9 in CO (with Bachmann at 17%) with those voters.  But he’s winning over moderate voters within the party as well, leading Romney 38-21 with them in North Carolina and 26-22 with them in Colorado. Gingrich’s appeal right now is very broad within the Republican electorate.

These polls provide more evidence of a Romney fade.  He’s down 5 points from 19% a month ago in North Carolina and his net favorability has dropped from +23 (53/30) to +16 (50/34). It’s a similar story in Colorado. He’s down 4 points from his 22% standing when we last polled there in August, although there at least his favorability numbers have remained unchanged.

PPP sees a bit of a renaissance in Michele Bachmann’s Iowa numbers, not the first pollster to do so.  Gingrich’s rise may be fueled in large part by Tea Party dissatisfaction with Romney and the decline of Herman Cain, but Gingrich is not a checkbox conservative.  The race really only has two such candidates with whom the Tea Party activists and adherents can feel comfortable — Bachmann and Rick Santorum, with possibly Rick Perry as an option as well.  It’s very possible that Gingrich’s rise will leave a little room to the right for one of these candidates to grab back some of Gingrich’s surge, especially if Gingrich doesn’t raise enough money to organize effectively.

However, as PPP also points out, Gingrich’s support in these two states is remarkably soft, with just over a third firmly committed to him.  The second choice for these voters?  Romney, which underscores how closely they may end up aligning in the end with primary voters, and why there may still be room for another boomlet in this race.

The Gingrich surge has surprised a lot of people, and according to Politico, that includes the strategists in Team Obama:

President Obama’s advisers, long convinced that Romney would be their opponent, now think Obama has a realistic chance of facing Gingrich, and are frantically rewriting a playbook that has been three years in the making. The campaign hadn’t even put together a comprehensive opposition research folder on Gingrich, in part because they expected Romney as the nominee but also because of the assumption that his record was so well-known.

The advisers, especially David Axelrod — who has led the campaign’s frontal assault on Romney — are finally coming around to the possibility that Gingrich might actually be the GOP nominee.

A few weeks ago, this might have delighted Democratic strategists, but now that they see the phenomenon unfolding, they may not be as sanguine about running against Gingrich:

But there’s also a wary recognition that Gingrich may be catching a wave that is both powerful and unpredictable.

They worry that Gingrich would be an erratic opponent, and therefore harder to handle than the relatively predictable Romney. Running against him may prove more difficult than it looks at first blush.

“It would be a nastier, more intense campaign,” said the Democrat close to the White House. “Newt has a history of getting people to rise to his bait. The president would have to stay mellow, steady Eddie.”

Unfortunately, the White House has already jumped feet first into a class-warfare strategy intended to paint Romney as a rich fat cat, and have begun their own nasty campaign that presumed Romney to be the nominee.  The ‘steady Eddie’ strategy got tossed out in September in favor of the populist activist.  Walking that back would mean once again having to change their messaging, which would look clumsy indeed.  Perhaps they should have waited for the first votes to get cast before launching their campaign strategy — and maybe this President should have focused on his job rather than his next campaign as a re-election strategy anyway.

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That picture makes Newt look like Oliver Hardy, and I treat them with the same seriousness.

MadisonConservative on December 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

“It would be a nastier, more intense campaign,” said the Democrat close to the White House. “Newt has a history of getting people to rise to his bait. The president would have to stay mellow, steady Eddie.”

Riiiiight. Because this was gonna be such a sweet, heartwarming campaign if Mittens were to become the nominee.

Doughboy on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

So the Dems have picked our next candidate…. again. Thanks Beltway morons!

upinak on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

No more Teddy Roosevelts!!!!!

NO NEWT

NO NEWT

NO NEWT!!!

He’s a white haired Soft glove Progressive.

God help us!

PappyD61 on December 7, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Unfortunately, the White House has already jumped feet first into a class-warfare strategy intended to paint Romney as a rich fat cat, and have begun their own nasty campaign that presumed Romney to be the nominee.

I am lmao over this debacle. The entire #OWS Castro-turf was thrown together to try and damage Mitt and his Wall Street ties. Another metaphor for the One’s presidency: wasted time, money, and effort.

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Yeah Newt…!!!

Yeah Newt…!!!

Yeah Newt…!!!

Yeah Newt…!!!

Yeah Newt…!!!

Yeah Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2011 at 11:36 AM

Perhaps they should have waited for the first votes to get cast before launching their campaign strategy — and maybe this President should have focused on his job rather than his next campaign as a re-election strategy anyway.

No one else has waited, why should they?

cozmo on December 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Why would Team Obama be scrambling, I hear that they want to run against Newt?

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

I imagine Romney supporters are going to get loopier the closer we get to the primaries. Every night reading the book “The Gingrich who Stole Christmas”

Flapjackmaka on December 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Newt!

Punchenko on December 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

Tar heel love for newtie

cmsinaz on December 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

1.) North Carolina was never going to be a swing state in the general. I have no idea why anybody ever thought it would be — with the gigantic 2008 wave, Obama won that state by a whopping .3%. This time around, NC is gonna be all “Cool story, bro.”

2.) The places we have to compete in 2012 are Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania…how’s Newt doing there? That’s what I really want to know :P

stixXxnstones on December 7, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Hey Nancy. Go get your shine box.

Mord on December 7, 2011 at 11:38 AM

+1 Doughboy

cmsinaz on December 7, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Why would Team Obama be scrambling, I hear that they want to run against Newt?

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM

they do, and it’s the reason why Newt was picked. There are quite a few people who hate Newt…..

upinak on December 7, 2011 at 11:38 AM

maybe this President should have focused on his job

You keep using those words. I do not think Obama thinks they mean what you think they mean.

Physics Geek on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Perhaps they should have waited for the first votes to get cast before launching their campaign strategy — and maybe this President should have focused on his job rather than his next campaign as a re-election strategy anyway.

The Won has been campaigning since 1/22/2009, it’s all he knows how to do. Well, except screw up a perfectly good country.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Newt’s not perfect, but he’ll be fine. A credible candidate who cares about the issues, and much better than O in any event. Very unexcited with his support for ethanol, and his “right wing social engineering” remark, but it would be worth it to have him win the presidency just to watch all the heads exploding all over the MSM and liberal blogs.

Vladimir C on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

“…now think Obama has a realistic chance of facing Gingrich, and are frantically rewriting a playbook that has been three years in the making.”

In other words…

… Obowma is in the corner, sucking his thumb, and shi%ing his pants.

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Question to ponder: If Team Obama’s entire strategy over the last three years has been built around running against Mitt, why is the GOP establishment and Republican Beltway punditry so determined to grant his wish?

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Anybody who has observed Romney knows that he has a glass chin. Look at his physical response to Perry when he was challenged. His interview with Brett Baier has confirmed this problem. He is horrible in combat. You can see his fight or flight instinct kick in as soon as as he responds to something aggressive that he hasn’t planned out ahead of time.

The idea that the (R) party would offer Romney up to be slaughtered in 2012 should be anathema to any conservative.

Obama has been the campaigner in chief for 3 years. The idea that he will have to walk back his strategy and messaging is most entertaining.

PapaBear on December 7, 2011 at 11:40 AM

upinak on December 7, 2011 at 11:38 AM

Hate? That seems like a lot of trouble with few rewards. I think you will find that Romney is the pick by both sides of the aisle.

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I apologize for this comments irrelevance,but I can’t not think of Brain from Pinky & the Brain when ever I see Newt.

Also, interesting numbers for Bachmann. I think if she turns in a really strong debate performance on the 15th her chances in Iowa will look even better, at least better than they do now.

MNcommonsense on December 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Question to ponder: If Team Obama’s entire strategy over the last three years has been built around running against Mitt, why is the GOP establishment and Republican Beltway punditry so determined to grant his wish?

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Does the name John McCain help answer that question?

sandee on December 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Riiiiight. Because this was gonna be such a sweet, heartwarming campaign if Mittens were to become the nominee.

Doughboy on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

It would have been characterized as that way because Mittens doesn’t have a kill shot in his arsenal. Do remember the LeftStreamMedia characterizes the tone of a given campaign based solely on what the NotDemocrat candidate does.

Steve Eggleston on December 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I am by no means a member of the Newt bandwagon (yet), but I have to admit that it would be fun to watch him debate Obama. The President would be taken to the woodshed by Newt, and it would be a glorious sight to see. Obama cannot match Newt in a debate. No way, no how.

joejm65 on December 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM

Say NO to Newt.
Say NO to big gov’t progressive Newt Gingrich.
We don’t want another Obama-lite in the white house.

Say hello to a consistent proven constitutional conservative:
Rick Perry.

Rick Perry 2012

bzip on December 7, 2011 at 11:44 AM

True Newt exposed by his own words:

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/284472/newt-gingrich-said-iwhati

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 11:45 AM

Gingrich takes wide leads in NC, CO in PPP polls

Bah, humbug.

listens2glenn on December 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Does the name John McCain help answer that question?

sandee on December 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM

I guess. If your meaning is that they would rather lose an election than lose the illusion of control over the rubes in the base.

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Question to ponder: If Team Obama’s entire strategy over the last three years has been built around running against Mitt, why is the GOP establishment and Republican Beltway punditry so determined to grant his wish?
Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Because Newt is much easier to beat.

Go RBNY on December 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM

Question to ponder: If Team Obama’s entire strategy over the last three years has been built around running against Mitt, why is the GOP establishment and Republican Beltway punditry so determined to grant his wish?

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Because they’ve seen poll after poll showing Mittens beating Obama. Yet they’ve never once stopped to consider that’s because people don’t really know much about the guy. Early polls also showed Perry and even Cain beating Barry. Yet once those two opened their mouths and flubbed horribly to what should’ve been easy questions, their numbers plummeted. Why the GOP establishment believes this can’t and won’t happen to Mittens(particularly after that horrible Baier interview last week) is beyond me?

Oh, and just in case Romney doesn’t have any flubs on the campaign trail, rest assured the drive-bys will tear him apart once he’s the nominee. Hell, this entire thread by Ed pretty much spells out the Democrat/media complex strategery.

Doughboy on December 7, 2011 at 11:47 AM

joejm65:
“The President would be taken to the woodshed by”

Then support Rick Perry. Rick Perry can take Obama to the woodshed easily.

Watching Rick Perry campaigning in the video below, there should be no doubt that Rick Perry is the man to beat Obama in 2012

Sean Hannity Freedom Concert 03 (taken in August 2010)
http://youtu.be/aZCorLNHrwE

bzip on December 7, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Question to ponder: If Team Obama’s entire strategy over the last three years has been built around running against Mitt, why is the GOP establishment and Republican Beltway punditry so determined to grant his wish?

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM

Because the GOP establishment have invested heavily in both money and power in a Romney Presidency. In a way, they are “insider traders” in regards to Romney Incorporated Stock.

portlandon on December 7, 2011 at 11:47 AM

http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/11/newt-gingrichs-record-uncomfortable-but-true/

Gingrich will give the public whatever they want, and sound convincingly principled while doing it.

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 11:48 AM

What’s wrong with us? Haven’t we been listening to our betters at the “conservative” sites tell us that the guy from Mass is the only choice?

chinalake on December 7, 2011 at 11:49 AM

Because the GOP establishment have invested heavily in both money and power in a Romney Presidency. In a way, they are “insider traders” in regards to Romney Incorporated Stock.

portlandon on December 7, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Just like John McCain last time… It’s his “turn” don’t you know….

sandee on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

If Gingrich is the nominee, we are in serious trouble. I know Mitt is not perfect and Perry is tough in debates, but Newt Gingrich. This is a guy who resigned as the Speaker of the House in disgrace. The MSM and Democrats will kill him; he will be viewed as part of the right wing conspiracy that got Clinton impeached. And independants hate that Clinton was impeached.

If people don’t want Romney because he is not conservative enough, please don’t pick the Republicans’ version of Woodrow Wilson; Gingrich is a big government conservative.

And don’t forget that Gingrich has terrible organizational skills. He couldn’t run a McDoniels without an internal revolt. He will be a disaster as a candidate and, if he wins, he will not be a good President.

Anybody but Gingrich (or Trump): Paul, Romney, Santorum, Bachmann, or Perry.

RedSoxNation on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

With very soft support, it’s clear that Gingrich has taken on the mantel of the next “Not Romney” candidate. His goal will be to convince us that his despicable behavior over his 40 year career as a Washington insider wont matter and that he can beat Obama. He won’t be able to run as the “Not Romney” candidate in the general because the indies don’t care about that narrative.

Gingrich is doomed to lose to Obama if his history with Freddie, ethics violations, and general immorality becomes an issue. Can he guarantee us that they won’t be?

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

I am by no means a member of the Newt bandwagon (yet), but I have to admit that it would be fun to watch him debate Obama. The President would be taken to the woodshed by Newt, and it would be a glorious sight to see. Obama cannot match Newt in a debate. No way, no how.

joejm65 on December 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM

What makes you think Obama would agree to debate Newt?

If Newt gets the nomination, I say there is 25% chance that Obama finds some reason not to debate.

Why give Newt the chance to exploit his strongest feature.

It’s all Alinsky all the time my friend. Rules for Radicals!

WisRich on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Prediction: Obooba will refuse to debate Newt if he’s the nominee.

Akzed on December 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Because Newt is much easier to beat.

Go RBNY on December 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Mitt has about as much fight in him as a dying sea lion. The establishment is using the 2008 playbook again and hoping for a different result. What’s the definition of insanity again?

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Face it. In the end, none of this jockeying is going to matter.

Not until the Dems weigh in through the open primaries and pool their votes behind the most unelectable Republican, will we know who the Republican nominee is actually going to be.

How else do you think a has-been stiff like McCain won last time around?

I’m guessing that in two months we’ll be shocked and awed that Huntsman is our frontrunner. We’ll be wondering what hit us.

And, in the off chance he might end up posing an actual threat to Obama, big Dem money will be pouring in to fund Ron Paul’s third party campaign.

Did I hear someone accuse me of paranoia?

That may be true. But even if I am paranoid, it doesn’t mean things don’t happen when there’s no press to investigate electoral abuse.

bloggenfels on December 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM

That picture makes Newt look like Oliver Hardy, and I treat them with the same seriousness.

MadisonConservative on December 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Careful Stan.

gh on December 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM

That picture makes Newt look like Oliver Hardy, and I treat them with the same seriousness.

MadisonConservative on December 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

He kind of looks like Spanky from the Little Rascals.

portlandon on December 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM

That picture makes Newt look like Oliver Hardy

MadisonConservative on December 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

That’s it! I couldn’t put my finger on it until your post.

Thanks, Madison!

Common Sense Floridian on December 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM

That picture makes Newt look like Oliver Hardy, and I treat them with the same seriousness.

MadisonConservative on December 7, 2011 at 11:32 AM

Still smarting from having been run over by that Cain Train, huh?

Pain killers man, in large quantities … you’ll be back on your feet in no time.

HondaV65 on December 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM

I am by no means a member of the Newt bandwagon (yet), but I have to admit that it would be fun to watch him debate Obama. The President would be taken to the woodshed by Newt, and it would be a glorious sight to see. Obama cannot match Newt in a debate. No way, no how.
joejm65 on December 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM

He couldnt match McCain either. Obama got creamed in their first debate. But the MSM spin was completely opposite. Reality is nothing, narrative is everything. Same will happen this time no matter who Obama debates.

Go RBNY on December 7, 2011 at 11:53 AM

So the Dems have picked our next candidate…. again. Thanks Beltway morons!

upinak on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

Nope. Dems picked Romney and so far it’s not working.

gh on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

What makes you think Obama would agree to debate Newt?

If Newt gets the nomination, I say there is 25% chance that Obama finds some reason not to debate.

Why give Newt the chance to exploit his strongest feature.

It’s all Alinsky all the time my friend. Rules for Radicals!

WisRich on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Obama will almost certainly avoid the 7 Lincoln-Douglas debates Newt’s proposed. But there’s no way he’ll skip out on the 3 scheduled debates next fall. Sure, he’ll try to stack them with friendly drive-bys who’ll skew every question in his favor, but if he backs out of those debates, he’s effectively handing the election to Newt(or whomever the nominee is).

Doughboy on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Newt’s the best candidate to show over and over and over again that the emperor has no clothes.

Libs will scream race, class, and whatever else. But Newt will be demonstrate to independents that Obama’s worldview is the wrong direction. Romney simply is not up to that task.

BuckeyeSam on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

So all the White House has been doing for the last three years, is working on the plan for beating Romney?

What did they do for the other 1094 days, play checkers and drink lemonade?

NoDonkey on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Newt Gingrich will fundamentally [insert anything here]

MNcommonsense on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

I apologize for this comments irrelevance,but I can’t not think of Brain from Pinky & the Brain when ever I see Newt.

MNcommonsense on December 7, 2011 at 11:41 AM

Now that’s just crazy talk…

/

Seven Percent Solution on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

There is no doubt that Newt is a very smart man, but can that overcome all the negatives he carries with him?I just have this sinking feeling it will not.

sandee on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

The case for Michelle Bachmann

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43018

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

We don’t want another Obama-lite in the white house.

Who was the last Obama-lite?

Say hello to a consistent proven constitutional conservative: Rick Perry. Rick Perry 2012 bzip on December 7, 2011 at 11:44 AM

He has a Muslim problem. Newt’s imperfections are forgivable. Perry’s, not so much.

Open enrollment always wrecks HA for a month.

Akzed on December 7, 2011 at 11:56 AM

True, Newt would have benefited from going on a diet and looking to be in better physical shape. However, I still think he would be a stronger candidate than Romney. He’ll take the fight to Obama, I’m still waiting to see Romney do that (other than around the edges).

Linden on December 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Romney: “I’m not a rich fat cat with enormous connections. But ignore that I attended Cranbrook Academy.”

BuckeyeSam on December 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Newt’s imperfections are forgivable. Perry’s, not so much.

Open enrollment always wrecks HA for a month.

I’m not so sure about that.Of course that is my opinion and you have yours.As to your last statement about open enrollment wrecking HA, this poster is allowed his/her opinion also.

sandee on December 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM

I think what we are seeing with Newts inflation on poll numbers is this; people have surveyed the field and have seen a bunch of unknown quantities. When they look at Newt they see a known quantity. He is exactly what he makes himself out to be. That is a “Conservative” Technocrat. You can argue all you want wether having one in the presidency is a good thing or a bad thing; but his honesty at what he is, is refreshing.

As for Bachmanns numbers, I don’t think she will really take off again until she takes on Romney. I don’t know if she is trying to position herself as Romneys VP or if she is just trying to take down the other “not Romneys before she sets her sights on him. I think it is the first one. I think she is nothing but an establishment shill sent out to bring Tea Partyers back into the fold. But that is my 2cents

mscronin on December 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Rick Perry can take Obama to the woodshed easily.

bzip on December 7, 2011 at 11:47 AM

Just like he jumped all over Mitt. It was EPIC.

….no, wait, that didn’t happen. He stood there with his mouth gaping open for 30 seconds. Oops.

alwaysfiredup on December 7, 2011 at 12:01 PM

So you expect Newt will be so great at fighting Obama? Just another memory lapse:

Gingrich: ‘Strategic Blunder’ for Palin to Mock Obama as ‘Community Organizer’

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/06/23/gingrich-strategic-blunder-for

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM

Can we quit talking about who’s “electable” and “easy” or “hard” to beat, and start talking about principles, please? Who among the current crop of candidates can we actually trust to adhere to the constitution?

gryphon202 on December 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM

this poster is allowed his/her opinion also.
sandee on December 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Nuh uh.

Akzed on December 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM

Romney: “I’m not a rich fat cat with enormous connections. But ignore that I attended Cranbrook Academy.”

BuckeyeSam on December 7, 2011 at 11:58 AM

Tell the whole story…..

Romney made the most of his upbringing by making it on his own at Harvard, BYU, his mission, Bain Capital, Governor of MA, and the Olympics.

Romney doesn’t have connections. He is the connection. An honest one that plays by the rules and is successful.

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 12:04 PM

Romney has been running for political office for 20 years. He isn’t a career politician, he is a career candidate. Romney is a VP candidate, like Bush 41, that if everything is going well, can run after his President has fulfilled his two terms. Bush 41 and Romney are both decent men, still married, etc… However, both seem to not have core convictions that define them either.

usa.jingoist on December 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM

My opinion, Gingrich’s support will start flagging when all the old stuff is dredged up and gone through again. I think Gingrich versus Obama is truly another “lesser of two evils” choice that people are quite sick of now. It’s time for something new. Second look at Perry….versus Gingrich, Perry doesn’t look as bad as his debates made him look. If Perry does better and gets a little foot up from media types he’ll eclipse Gingrich.

In general this time around I think the campaign managers all “stink on ice” as GB puts it. (or used to, I haven’t listened to GB in a long while now)

Wolfmoon on December 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM

What did they do for the other 1094 days, play checkers and drink lemonade?

NoDonkey on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

Beer summits and golf.

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM

This was posted on FR – says what I feel:

Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:45:51 AM by xzins

General Ulysses S. Grant was denounced by rivals as a man who drank far too much. Many called him a drunk. They insinuated he really shouldn’t be in command.

In response to that, one source says:

With Halleck out of the way, Grant gained command of the Union Army in the West. Grant had valuable support from several members of Congress and, more importantly, from President Abraham Lincoln. When Lincoln was urged to fire US Grant due to charges of Grant’s drunkeness, careless and bold style or typically large casualty figures, Lincoln said of Grant, “I can’t spare this man. He fights.” Lincoln had had his taste of generals who had trouble fighting and winning. He’d endured the huge problem of General George McClellan who never had enough troops, never had the right edge, and, therefore, seldom found a good time to actually get to the fight.

Grant, on the other hand, would take the fight to the enemy. When finally given the leadership of the union army, Grant determined that Lee was the tipping point of the South. His plan was to hound Lee until Lee could fight no more. Grant’s plan succeeded, but only because Grant was a man, as President Lincoln said, who actually could and would fight.

Does Gingrich have weaknesses? Sure. Everyone acknowledges that. At the same time, they watched as candidate after candidate went down in flames because of their basic inability or unwillingness to defend themselves. The line of easy or self-inflicted casualties: Pawlenty, Perry, Bachmann, Cain, Paul and….Romney. (Does anyone really want quiet, don’t-rock-the-boat, metro-Romney, even if they could tolerate a liberal masquerading as a Republican? Wouldn’t that just be the “Second Coming of John McCain”?)

Conservatives aren’t saying these were bad people. They are saying they now realize these other candidates had too much Dole/McCain in them: when the fight came to them they proved they either couldn’t or wouldn’t fight.

So, why Gingrich despite his flaws?

Because he is a bulldog. Because “We can’t spare this man. He fights.”

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stenwin77 on December 7, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Wolfmoon on December 7, 2011 at 12:05 PM

How does he get through the general when he can’t debate without sounding like he’s on drugs? If conservatives reject him over it, the indies and disheartened moderate dems certainly will.

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Perry doesn’t look as bad as his debates made him look.

Matter of opinion. I think he appears pathetic and weak in the debates.

That’s not what I want showing up to debate Obama.

stenwin77 on December 7, 2011 at 12:08 PM

Esse quam videri…

equanimous on December 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Who among the current crop of candidates can we actually trust to adhere to the constitution?

gryphon202 on December 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM

None. Maybe Ron Paul, but he’s become a cranky old coot.

alwaysfiredup on December 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Obama will almost certainly avoid the 7 Lincoln-Douglas debates Newt’s proposed. But there’s no way he’ll skip out on the 3 scheduled debates next fall. Sure, he’ll try to stack them with friendly drive-bys who’ll skew every question in his favor, but if he backs out of those debates, he’s effectively handing the election to Newt(or whomever the nominee is).

Doughboy on December 7, 2011 at 11:55 AM

We’ll see. I sticking with my 25% probability.

You’re thinking linearly. Again, ruls for radicals.

Possible scenarios:

1. International crisis. Demands his attention

2. Financial crisis. Again, demands his attention.

3. In the months leading up to the debates, launches scathing attacks against Newt so vile it will make make you vomit, ending with a declaration that it is simply beneath American Tradition and himself to engage this man in a debate.

4. Make the conditions for the debate so absurd as to make it ludacris.

I’m sure there are others.

WisRich on December 7, 2011 at 12:10 PM

None. Maybe Ron Paul, but he’s become a cranky old coot.

alwaysfiredup on December 7, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Given some of the stuff of Ron Paul’s I’ve seen written for Lew Rockwell’s website, I have my doubts about him too. But anyhow, I agree. With this crop of candidates, we might as well just stick a fork in America; she’s done.

gryphon202 on December 7, 2011 at 12:12 PM

RedSoxNation on December 7, 2011 at 11:50 AM

Red Sox? Isn’t that Boston? Why don’t you just cheer for your guy instead of doing the process of elimination?

Cindy Munford on December 7, 2011 at 12:12 PM

Gingrich: ‘Strategic Blunder’ for Palin to Mock Obama as ‘Community Organizer’

http://spectator.org/blog/2011/06/23/gingrich-strategic-blunder-for

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM

That was a McCain campaign tactic, which is obvious insofar as Giuliani was doing it too. McCain made all kinds of strategic blunders. And if you actually read your own links, you would know that Gingrich advocated a more sober line of attack against Obama that carefully explained his connections to crazy people. He didn’t advocate treating him with kid gloves at all.

alwaysfiredup on December 7, 2011 at 12:12 PM

So, why Gingrich despite his flaws?

Because he is a bulldog. Because “We can’t spare this man. He fights.”

stenwin77 on December 7, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Yes. +100

Bat Chain Puller on December 7, 2011 at 12:14 PM

Steyn: Newt ‘like Teddy Roosevelt mixed someone sort of novelty-crazed futurologist’

http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/07/steyn-newt-like-teddy-roosevelt-mixed-someone-sort-of-novelty-crazed-futurologist-video/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 12:15 PM

So the Dems have picked our next candidate…. again. Thanks Beltway morons!

upinak on December 7, 2011 at 11:34 AM

The Dems have never picked our candidate; we have some that are as weak minded as Obamabots that allow the dems/msm choose for them. Unfortunately, there are more than I thought.

razorbackchick on December 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM

I’m concerned that Newt may have the popular support among conservatives but not the grassroots organization. Supposedly he has already missed filing deadlines. In comparison, Romney has been campaigning for years and has the organization.

I’m in the anybody but Romney camp as far as the GOP nominee is concerned but a charter member of the anybody but Obama club. Simply put, I will vote for whoever gets the GOP nod even if I do not like the candidate because the alternative of a lame duck like Obama able to run roughshod over the government with unfettered socialism is a far worse fate. Even Ron Paul would be a better choice.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM

I’d rather not have the country run by a small green lizard that a witch turns someone into.

That, and the fact that the guy is corrupt as hades, tells me he’s not getting my vote.

UODuckMan on December 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM

and maybe this President should have focused on his job rather than his next campaign as a re-election strategy anyway.

This president is lazy and fancies himself to be a god.

Heh, they destroyed Cain, with Cain’s help, and the consequences are not what they’d anticipated.

Meh, Obama is NOT a god and the reaction from the left to the right is delightful.

Schadenfreude on December 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Though I don’t care for the current field of candidates, I believe that Newt is the best option available. Here is my not so scientific reason, he has a very good grasp of history, so he knows that if he turns America away from the brink, and breathes new life in the economy, he will be remembered as one of the great presidents. Yeah, I’m counting on Newt’s large ego to do the right thing. Romney would just be a leaf blowing in the wind.

I would like to see Perry take some lessons on how to debate, but unfortunately I can’t hold my breath that long, so I’m not going to wait.

publius75 on December 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Even Ron Paul would be a better choice.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM

Paul would nominate constitutionalist justices to the court for sure.

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 12:19 PM

Don’t kid yourself, the Dems are scared sh!tless about Newt. If Bush, and that squish McCain led to the fool Obama, what makes Obama leading to Gingrich so impossible. The country is fed up. Out of work three years running, with the guy in charge seemingly indifferent. Desperate times, desperate measures, and all that. They thought Reagan was a clown too, remember?

teacherman on December 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Phyllis Schlafly Endorses Michele Bachmann

http://www.christianpost.com/news/phyllis-schlafly-endorses-michele-bachmann-64081/

Igor R. on December 7, 2011 at 12:23 PM

Just listened to Obamas speech in Kansas…..breathtaking lies!!!

The Roaring 20′s NEVER happened apparently.

Gid help us survive this evil Progressive Cancer on America.

PappyD61 on December 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM

Rick Perry is lining up to be Romney’s stalking horse in Iowa, S Carolina, and Florida. He just dumb enough to think he still has a chance to beat Obama so he’s going to go for the nomination. He’ll spend his $15 million taking votes splitting the vote with Gingrich and leave it wide open for Romney.

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 12:26 PM

God help us. :-)

And Gid too if he’s available.

PappyD61 on December 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM

So, why Gingrich despite his flaws?

Because he is a bulldog. Because “We can’t spare this man. He fights.”

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stenwin77 on December 7, 2011 at 12:06 PM

Yeah, Newt’s a fighter, all right, except when it comes to, you know, actual fighting. (See Gingrich, Newt: abject cowardice, unprincipled draft evasion, Vietnam War.)

troyriser_gopftw on December 7, 2011 at 12:29 PM

When Newt spoke at the Wake County (NC) GOP convention earlier this year, he said that he would have 100 Executive Orders ready to go on the first day of office. He said he wanted to present them to Obama first, to challenge him to do implement them.

My thought upon hearing this:
Does Newt think he’s going to be king?

LoganSix on December 7, 2011 at 12:30 PM

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Mitt has about as much fight in him as a dying sea lion. The establishment is using the 2008 playbook again and hoping for a different result. What’s the definition of insanity again?

Kataklysmic on December 7, 2011

I was there when Romney was running in Massachusetts for Governor. Believe me, he is no McCain. Romney can be very agreesive in an understated way. For instance, Romeny would have used the “Rev. Wright” situation much more agressively than McCain. And he would have painted Obama as a radical in ways that McCain refused to do. If you don’t believe me, go back and look at how Romney effectively used Chappiquidic to almost beat Kennedy, coming the closest person to beat Kennedy since his first time running. In short, Romney will will take the gloves off when he faces Obama; and he will be very effective. His reluctance in the primary has more to do with a strategy of being the front runner to avoid friendly fire. But that will change with Newt’s rise in the polls.

Moreover, Romney will compete very effectively in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Nevada; Ginrich will easily lose at least three of these four by a significant margin. Newt can’t beat Romney.

In the end, I want anyone but Ginrich. He will be a disaster. And he will lose to Obama by five points. Some of this will be the result of the MSM being unfair in painting Ginrich as a “radical right wing extremist”: but that is the reality with Ginrich. And remember, he was forced to resign in disgrace. It would be akin to nominating Tom Delay for President.

RedSoxNation on December 7, 2011 at 12:30 PM

Newt can’t beat Romney.

I meant to say, Newt can’t beat Obama…

RedSoxNation on December 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM

It looks like most of us ex Cainaanites were dropped of at Newt station.

esnap on December 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Even Ron Paul would be a better choice.

Happy Nomad on December 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM

That’s not a good thing! That’s a problem!

You might as well cheer, “Yay! Obama set the bar so low anyone can step over it!” Only not just anyone can step over it. Cain and Palin put that idea to bed. Somewhere, Alinsky is looking at us and laughing. “Rule four, b!tches!”

gryphon202 on December 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM

RedSoxNation on December 7, 2011 at 12:30 PM

And I want neither of them. Who is left? And don’t say Rick Perry. I don’t vote for Texans. Not after what LBJ did to the country.

UODuckMan on December 7, 2011 at 12:33 PM

It looks like most of us ex Cainaanites were dropped of at Newt station.

esnap on December 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM

Speak for yourself. Newt Gingrich isn’t getting my vote that easily. He’ll have to work for it just like any candidate would.

gryphon202 on December 7, 2011 at 12:34 PM

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