Rove: Why would any GOP candidate give Trump a platform?

posted at 1:30 pm on December 6, 2011 by Ed Morrissey

Both Andy McCarthy and Matt Lewis shrug off concerns that Donald Trump’s sudden insistence on injecting himself directly into the campaign, suggesting that the debate series themselves have been bad enough that Trump’s participation is a lesser concern.  Karl Rove, however, wonders how any Republican candidate would want to give oxygen to someone who (a) promises to provide an endorsement in the primary and/or (b) threatens to run against a Republican nominee he doesn’t like, let alone give him a platform to attack said candidates if he so chooses.  Rove urges Reince Preibus to call an end to the circus forthwith:

Later with Greta van Susteren, both recalled the outrage that erupted when Gwen Ifill moderated a debate in 2008 after having written a book about Barack Obama:

Rove didn’t hide his feelings about the debate from the beginning of the segment, explaining that in Trump, “We’ve got a guy who is not only saying ‘I’m going to make a decision on who I’m going to endorse shortly after this debate and I’m already leaning someway, and I may run myself’ and we expect him to be the impartial moderator? Could you imagine what would happen if MSNBC hosted a debate and the moderator said ‘I’m going to endorse…’ Nobody would show up!”

Van Susteren argued that a similar situation arose when PBS’s Gwen Ifill moderated a general election debate in 2008 despite having written a book on then-Senator Barack Obama, a situation in which, Rove countered, “all heck broke loose.” There was also the matter that Trump had controversial positions and didn’t have any experience in journalism. “Is Mr. Trump going to ask the candidate whether they agree with him that Barack Obama was not born in the United States… that George W. Bush is ‘evil’?”

Rove went on to argue that Trump was “not a newsman” and that “he could do a lot of damage to somebody.” “I think it’s just odd,” he continued, then suggesting that “everybody’s going to bust up their holidays” to go to the debate and it would still have “the smallest viewership of any one of the debates this year.”

In my column for The Week, I point out that the Trump debate actually makes the complaints about the debate process worse rather than improve the situation:

Equally mystifying, at least two Republican candidates have agreed to participate in this debate. Rick Santorum can’t afford to miss an opportunity, but what is Newt Gingrich thinking? The new GOP frontrunner doesn’t need the exposure at this point. Moreover, Gingrich has spent the last few months ripping conventional debates’ formats. He offered an alternative last month with Herman Cain on entitlement reform, and will meet Jon Huntsman next Monday for another “Lincoln-Douglas”-style debate on foreign policy in New Hampshire. Now, in the name of being “open to new ways of doing things,” Gingrich will end up granting respectability to a forum hosted by a self-promoter who might just end up being one of his opponents in November 2012. It’s not likely that the cheesy game-show vibe of the current media debate format will be greatly improved by an actual game-show host.

Not every Republican candidate will play along with the farce. Jon Huntsman told Fox News’ Martha McCallum that he was “not going to kiss his (Trump’s) ring, and I’m not going to kiss any other part of his anatomy.” Ron Paul openly scoffed at Trump’s involvement, and the efforts by other Republicans to curry his favor, calling Trump’s forum “beneath the office of the presidency.” As if to prove that point, Trump responded by calling Paul and Huntsman “joke candidates,” which hardly becomes a moderator of a debate. Imagine the Republican outrage had Wolf Blitzer said something similar before a CNN debate, or anyone from MSNBC. Republican voters would have demanded their removal from any further debates — and rightly so.

In my post yesterday, some commenters argued that Trump would provide a breath of fresh air after the mainstream media moderators which have dominated the debates in this and every other cycle.  Perhaps, but it also means that the Republicans who join him on stage implicitly endorse Trump as a legitimate political force, despite his demonstrated lack of depth and experience in the field and his meltdown last May.  Given that Trump has threatened to run as an independent as late as yesterday, why would any Republican want to give Trump that kind of respectability?  Would the candidates have allowed Mike Huckabee to moderate a debate in May when the former governor and now talk-show host still considered jumping into the race?  Of course not, and they would have been correct to refuse.

Even apart from that, once the cameras start rolling, there is no control over what Trump might do or say.  He has no problem attacking Republican candidates in the field who won’t participate in this forum; what happens when Trump starts attacking them on stage?  What if Trump announces an independent run at the end of the debate, having declared himself dissatisfied with the responses he gets in the debate?  Those participants will be left looking impotent and will have contributed to their own disaster.  And far from breaking the grip of the MSM on the trajectory of the race, they will have fed into an event that the media would absolutely love.

In April and May, we had time for this kind of nonsense.  We have four weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses, and it’s time to get serious — and that means gently telling Trump to get lost.

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Establishment: Gooooooood.

Goin’ all mavericky: Baaaaaaaad.

Akzed on December 6, 2011 at 1:34 PM

Rove: Look at me! Look at me!

Boy, what a difference 3 years make.

Oil Can on December 6, 2011 at 1:34 PM

some commenters argued that Trump would provide a breath of fresh air

Which is funny since I always think of Trump as being stuck in the late 80s/early 90s.

Abby Adams on December 6, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Rove is no conservative. That Hannity calls him the architect is insipid. Levin asked him about that the other day and ribbed Hannity about it.

beatcanvas on December 6, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Repugnicans dumb enough to participate in this nonsense deserve whatever they get.

borntoraisehogs on December 6, 2011 at 1:37 PM

I agree w/ Rove(and Ron Paul -Gawd help me) on this.
Trump is in everything for Trump.
There no reason any GOP candidate should be kissing the Donald’s ring. His ‘debate’ is going to be a joke and the GOP’ers should be avoiding it like the plague.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 6, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Why would any GOP candidate give Trump a platform?

So says the architect of “When they call you stupid Bush, don’t respond. When they say you lied and people died, don’t respond.”

This guy is an idiot.

dirtseller on December 6, 2011 at 1:38 PM

what is Newt Gingrich thinking?

Not the last time we’re going to hear this question.

Chuckles3 on December 6, 2011 at 1:39 PM

ROVE is a TEDDY Roosevelt/George Bush/Rockefeller/McCain Republican.

NOT a Conservative.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2011 at 1:39 PM

add an update Ed…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2011 at 1:40 PM

“Rove went on to argue that Trump was “not a newsman”…”

Sold me, thanks Rove…

… What time is the debate?

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2011 at 1:41 PM

It will be on the ION Network. I need to check for Sunspots that day, if there are any disruptions we probably won’t get the debate. Until 5 minutes ago, I thought it was antenna TV type channel.

Oil Can on December 6, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Perhaps, but it also means that the Republicans who join him on stage implicitly endorse Trump as a legitimate political force, despite his demonstrated lack of depth and experience in the field and his meltdown last May.

He is a political force and they have already demonstrated that by their visits to Trump.

Given that Trump has threatened to run as an independent as late as yesterday, why would any Republican want to give Trump that kind of respectability?

Why are we giving the media that kind of respectability? Trump at least is seen publically as a political guy. They keep hand the debates to a media who are Democratic hacks, who are allowed a pretense of impartiality.

Even apart from that, once the cameras start rolling, there is no control over what Trump might do or say. He has no problem attacking Republican candidates in the field who won’t participate in this forum; what happens when Trump starts attacking them on stage?

They will get some spur of the moment training in how to deal with the leftist media. The next year will throw worse than anything Trump will say at them and it would be useful to know if they can deal with it.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Trump is a bully,

Let him be a questioner, not the moderator.

huckleberryfriend on December 6, 2011 at 1:43 PM

Jon Huntsman told Fox News’ Martha McCallum that he was “not going to kiss his (Trump’s) ring, and I’m not going to kiss any other part of his anatomy.”

Second look at Huntsman!

a capella on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Wolf Blitzer respectable? Any of the “stellar” stable of newsmen and -women at NPR “respectable?!” I dunno WTF Rove is thinking, but he doesn’t seem to have his head on straight in any event.

gryphon202 on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Right. I so much prefer the MSM ‘gotcha’ format of debate. More please. /sarc

What if they turn the event into a real exchange of ideas? At this point I’m open to anything that breaks the monopoly of the current ruling class and the MSM.

bloviator on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

In April and May, we had time for this kind of nonsense. We have four weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses, and it’s time to get serious — and that means gently telling Trump to get lost.

Ed, why didn’t you make these arguments about any of the media, who all want Obama to get elected and see their own star rise?

beatcanvas on December 6, 2011 at 1:46 PM

Newt is going because he’s as much of an attention whore as Trump. Anybody who thinks this debate is a good idea or that Trump should be taken seriously shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.

clearbluesky on December 6, 2011 at 1:47 PM

a capella on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Huntsman/Lawn Gnome 2012!

Abby Adams on December 6, 2011 at 1:48 PM

It would be dumb to attend this debate and those who do attend will deserve the criticism they will be on the receiving end of. Allowing the guy who embodies the image of Wall Street to manipulate you like a puppet is beyond silly.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 1:50 PM

yeah Karl, we’re being so well served by CNN, MSNBC, FOX and the rest why let a hack like Trump make the candidates look bad.

Remember Chris Wallace: Are you a serious candidate?

Skelly scolding Newt on our obligation to international law?

Wolfie hyperventalating over time with Santorum and letting Paul and Phil Huntsman run on endlessly?

Wouldn’t want Trump to mess that up would we? We have serious vetting to do and all that.

DanMan on December 6, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Does anyone know if Mitt Romney has signed on to do this debate, or if he has made any kind of statement regarding it?

Abby Adams on December 6, 2011 at 1:50 PM

(a) promises to provide an endorsement in the primary

Like most newspapers do?

Would it be absurd for the NYTs to hold a Democratic debate?

MayBee on December 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Next thing you know Jesse Ventura will be hosting a debate with Dan Rather.

FloatingRock on December 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM

Remember when the Chicken Soup for the Soul guy held a big, televised symposium? Was participating in that un-presidential?

MayBee on December 6, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Ed, I think the Trump debate is a terrible idea as well specifically because Trump might end the debate with “You all suck. You’re fired. Trump 2012!” But you are not helping the someone-stop-this-disaster cause by making Rove the spokesman.

Lawdawg86 on December 6, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Why would anyone who cost the republicans the control of the senate matter. Rove is full of himself. The Question should be who is paying Rove now.

Christine O’Donnel could have won. if it was not for Rove’s 40 minute rant that became the Demoncrats talking points. in the general election. Rove was being paid by the other republican candidate.

He also made statements on the Nevada race that aided and abetted Reid.

Trumph is not part of the Lamestream Media. Carl Rove is a contributing member and participant in the Lamestream Media, Who also makes a living being paid to pontificate on what he thinks should happen. We need to inform Rove that he does not matter, and should take a long hike off a short pier.

kraftykeltic on December 6, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Donald Trump is like the women who have accused Herman Cain–he covets the limelight and he’s filed for bankruptcy.

radjah shelduck on December 6, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Why would any serious conservative support a party that has as its platform Karl Rove and the anti-conservative firing squad known as the GOP beltway punditry whose entire goal is to destroy any candidate but Oromney?

Obama has done conservativism a giant favor -he has shown us the duplicity of our Party -almost to a person. We need term limits on these folks, a dollar to them is a clone of a dollar to Obama and the Godless left.

Where is Reagan’s 11th commandment for these preachy folks?

Where is the scolding to put aside the moral issues for this election, as they in planned unison use moral issue to attack the man they fear now – not Obama, but Newt?

Where is the hated politics of persoanal destruction that they always tell us are only on the left?

I loathe these people for their hypocricy.

Don L on December 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM

PappyD61: Truest Conserative™

thebrokenrattle on December 6, 2011 at 2:03 PM

add an update Ed…

cmsinaz on December 6, 2011 at 1:40 PM

Dittos that! The only debate that was of any substance was….
Huckabees debate on Fox. The other debates were variations on X-Factor and American Idol. Worthless!

Kini on December 6, 2011 at 2:04 PM

As the principal architect of Bush’s domestic spending spree, Rove was never a conservative and warrants as much attention as the rantings of Katrina vanden Heuvel.

Valiant on December 6, 2011 at 2:05 PM

The only reason they go to Trump & put up with his nonsense is that Donald has money, and I bet he can “influence” other big money types. Any nominee is going to need those big bucks.

rbj on December 6, 2011 at 2:06 PM

Second look at Huntsman!

a capella on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Consider that Huntsman made that remark after requesting an audience with Trump and was denied… Don’t waste your time.

WhoU4 on December 6, 2011 at 2:07 PM

I can see it now.

Who ever participates will be treated just like the contestants on Trump’s reality show. Only this will be 1 1/2 hours long.

And at the end, Trump will say to who ever he wants as a President, inclusing himself, “You’re Hired!”.

And all other forums, primaries and campaigns will be rendered impotent.

gonnjos on December 6, 2011 at 2:08 PM

ROVE is a TEDDY Roosevelt/George Bush/Rockefeller/McCain Republican.

NOT a Conservative.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2011 at 1:39 PM

You dignify the man by insinuating that he has principles. He’s is nothing but a paid political hack who will do whatever he’s hired to do. In this case, it’s the establsihment RINO party that sent him out to do their dirty work, like Obama sends out his union goons. He and his GOP bosses see conservatives as the enemy.

Don L on December 6, 2011 at 2:09 PM

upcoming Open Registration Day!

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 2:12 PM

If Trump was a conservative, you might be able to make a case for this, but I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s greasy blowhard who wants attention. Maybe his conversion is sincere (but I doubt it) but his praise of candidate Obama, despite the lack of accomplishment, indicates that Donajussi only concerned with positioning himself with the team that’s winning. The MSM debate moderators are jokes but lowering the standard even more doesn’t make a lick of sense.

landshark on December 6, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I’m looking forward to Trump’s debate. Add screaming man to this:

yeah Karl, we’re being so well served by CNN, MSNBC, FOX and the rest why let a hack like Trump make the candidates look bad.

Remember Chris Wallace: Are you a serious candidate?

Skelly scolding Newt on our obligation to international law?

Wolfie hyperventalating over time with Santorum and letting Paul and Phil Huntsman run on endlessly?

Wouldn’t want Trump to mess that up would we? We have serious vetting to do and all that.

DanMan on December 6, 2011 at 1:50 PM

tinkerthinker on December 6, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Gingrich disses Tea Party as “Militant Wing of the GOP”,

Spathi on December 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM

This one seemed really odd, so I followed the link. The headline is only somewhat related to what Newt really said, which was, if quoted correctly, that he “expected the Tea Party to evolve into” a militant wing. That is a much different statement.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 6, 2011 at 2:14 PM

trump will provide no breath of fresh air and anyone that thinks so is a an idiotic fool. this is about the donald, nothing else. he will try to trap and trick candidates and make them look stupid. let the liberals engage in these kinda parlor tricks. GOP candidates refuse to indulge this moron.

chasdal on December 6, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Rove is no conservative. That Hannity calls him the architect is insipid. Levin asked him about that the other day and ribbed Hannity about it.

beatcanvas on December 6, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Actually, Rove is the architect of the Trojan Horse Elephant of the GOP, filled with Establishment RINOs all masquerading as Conservatives.

portlandon on December 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM

Whether you like Rove or not has nothing to do with the issue at hand:

Trump is a blow-hard opportunist, almost a clown-like figure. The fact that he’s a real estate mogul (classic leverage based shuckster) only makes him less credible. The more any candidate is associated with Trump and his games, the less presidential they’ll appear.

peski on December 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM

I’m looking forward to Trump’s debate. Add screaming man to this:

yeah Karl, we’re being so well served by CNN, MSNBC, FOX and the rest why let a hack like Trump make the candidates look bad.

Remember Chris Wallace: Are you a serious candidate?

Skelly scolding Newt on our obligation to international law?

Wolfie hyperventalating over time with Santorum and letting Paul and Phil Huntsman run on endlessly?

Wouldn’t want Trump to mess that up would we? We have serious vetting to do and all that.

DanMan on December 6, 2011 at 1:50 PM
tinkerthinker on December 6, 2011 at 2:13 PM

Don’t forget Williams asking Perry how he can sleep at night knowing that Texas has the death penalty.

WisRich on December 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM

Why would any GOP candidate give the liberal media or the republican establishment a platform? Trump is a citizen. What makes him any less qualified to moderate a debate than Anderson Cooper or Andrea Miitchell?

paulsur on December 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM

There is also the fact that Trump released a book titled “Time to Get Tough” this week. It sure sounds like a Trump campaign manifesto. When Trump “fires” all of our candidates at the end of the debate after a sudden realization that they are not tough enough to take on China or seize Iraqi oil fields, and he announces that he may just be compelled to run for President after all, I don’t want to see anyone saying “Why didn’t we see this coming?”

Lawdawg86 on December 6, 2011 at 2:27 PM

Whether you like Rove or not has nothing to do with the issue at hand:

Trump is a blow-hard opportunist, almost a clown-like figure. The fact that he’s a real estate mogul (classic leverage based shuckster) only makes him less credible. The more any candidate is associated with Trump and his games, the less presidential they’ll appear.

peski on December 6, 2011 at 2:24 PM

He is also a citizen that has raised legitmate points. Why do we go to war for other nations and we pay all the cost including blod and treasure? Why dont we make them pay for their freedom?
I want to see him ask this to Mitt Romney.
Why do we borrow billions from China and give it to corporatioons that spend it foolishly? I want to see him ask it.
Whats the problem with this?

paulsur on December 6, 2011 at 2:28 PM

upcoming Open Registration Day!

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 2:12 PM

Wait, what? When?

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM

upcoming Open Registration Day!

Wait, what? When?

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM

Ed Morrissey Show thread.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 2:33 PM

upcoming Open Registration Day!

Brace yourselves!

We need a better quality of troll here, anyway.

portlandon on December 6, 2011 at 2:37 PM

Here’s another update for ya:

Trump was on Fox N Friends this morning, called Rove a “hack”, spat all over him, blamed him for Bush, the worst president ever, and so forth. Really, really nasty stuff versus Rove’s very reasonable concerns about Trump.

Buy Danish on December 6, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Why would any GOP candidate give the liberal media or the republican establishment a platform? Trump is a citizen. What makes him any less qualified to moderate a debate than Anderson Cooper or Andrea Miitchell?

paulsur on December 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Did Trump go to Columbia? Hahvahd? Yale? Princeton? Cornell?

SouthernGent on December 6, 2011 at 2:40 PM

And another update: Trump’s advisor still soliciting funds for a third party run?
https://twitter.com/#!/KatrinaTrinko/statuses/144076249143320577

a capella on December 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM

He is also a citizen that has raised legitmate points. Why do we go to war for other nations and we pay all the cost including blod and treasure? Why dont we make them pay for their freedom?
I want to see him ask this to Mitt Romney.
Why do we borrow billions from China and give it to corporatioons that spend it foolishly? I want to see him ask it.
Whats the problem with this?

paulsur on December 6, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Those are all good questions I’d like to see asked and answered. Trump won’t do it, and if he does it will be in a manner that just puffs him up in some way.

I too really like the Huckabee format, even thought I’ve never been a fan of the man. The candidates should push for more events along those lines, and skip the Donald.

peski on December 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Rove: Why would any GOP candidate give Trump a platform?

Would any of them give you a platform?

Speaking of which, why has the GOP decided today not to speak ill of Oboobi. Does that mean no more calling him by his full name? It’s OK for the establishment to trash talk GOP candidates, but Oboobi must not be disparaged?

BTW, seeing how Schmuckabee actually pulled off a really good ‘debate’ using 3 State AGs as a constitutional panel, Trump would be wise to emulate the format and call in Steve Wynn, Steve Forbes & Charles Peyton to be on his panel and have a pro-business/economy-centric debate.

AH_C on December 6, 2011 at 2:46 PM

Most of the so-called moderators in all of the debates have been in large part about themselves, which is the way people are.
We don’t need to be protected from Trump. We don’t give him credence by watching, anymore than we gave credence to any of the other moderators we watched. We can consider the source of the questions ourselves and we can see how the candidates respond to the particular moderator. I don’t see the supposed issue here.
Do we want candidates who are reluctant to meet with Putin because he is a self-serving bad guy out to do us harm? Or should we our media not report on our president meeting with Putin because Putin is a bad guy?
I look forward to seeing the candidates in as many different circumstances as possible, and I am negatively influenced by those candidates who appear to be very interested in controlling the environment in which they are asked questions.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 6, 2011 at 2:47 PM

Trump is on the right track. Attack the idiot obama from all angles. Have a little fire in the belly when fighting for America. After all the Ifils,Brokaws,Williams and the rest of the leftist stooges at least Trump is on the “right” side at this time. This can’t be any worse than the lsm.

tim c on December 6, 2011 at 2:50 PM

In April and May, we had time for this kind of nonsense. We have four weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses, and it’s time to get serious — and that means gently telling Trump to get lost.

Sorry, Ed, I have to disagree with you on this.

The entire 3-minute soundbites gotcha GOP debates have been a farce. One more farce wouldn’t hurt.

I guess Rove et al. were okay with the format and whoever was moderating when Perry was still finding his feet and was the butt of jokes.

They elevated debates to an unprecedented level knowing very well it would be Perry’s weakness while Romney had been trained like a robot for that type of format. Now that Gingrich has surpassed Romney in the debate formats, they want to put an end to it?

No siree, let the games continue…

TheRightMan on December 6, 2011 at 2:51 PM

I couldn’t care less about Trump moderating a GOP debate. He won’t be any worse than Scott Pelley or Brian Williams or any of the other idiots that have hosted these things so far. No, this debate needs to be boycotted because of the presence of Eason Jordan, period. Bringing this traitor on board smears anyone who takes part in it.

holygoat on December 6, 2011 at 2:53 PM

Rove is too smart for his own good. He is blind to new things that are not like it was done in the 1990s.

And Newt likes Trump’s style too. The two of them are the two guys who take risks with high rewards. But they each have 30+ years of experience to plan their moves with.

Rove wants everybody to play by the last decade’s rules in this year’s elections.

What were the offices that Rove ran for???

How well did the GOP do in 2006 and 2008 thanks to The Architect’s advice???

jimw on December 6, 2011 at 2:58 PM

Interesting question Karl. Now let’s turn it on you. Why should Fox or anybody else for that matter, give you a platform after the way you loused things up for eight years?

Mr. Grump on December 6, 2011 at 3:00 PM

a capella on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

a capella on December 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM

Huntsman/Lawn Gnome 2012!

Abby Adams on December 6, 2011 at 1:48 PM

I haven’t shut the door on Huntsman, but he’s running out of road he needs to give people a reason not to dismiss him one reason I still take him serious? His choice in running mate Huntsman/Lawn Gnome 2012! I just hope the “Gnomes” are not stamped made in China on the bottom :)

Dr Evil on December 6, 2011 at 3:01 PM

I couldn’t care less about Trump moderating a GOP debate. He won’t be any worse than Scott Pelley or Brian Williams or any of the other idiots that have hosted these things so far. No, this debate needs to be boycotted because of the presence of Eason Jordan, period. Bringing this traitor on board smears anyone who takes part in it.

holygoat on December 6, 2011 at 2:53 PM

It’s not about the debate. Karl Rove wants Romney to be the nominee, he doesn’t want Trump messing with his formula for a Romney accession. What if people – voters, watch the Trump debate and someone catches fire? It’s a wild card. Karl Rove doesn’t like wild cards. The RNC and corporate media want to pick the republican nominee and next President. There are many good reasons why Paul and Huntsman should attend – media exposure before the caucus starts on January 3rd in Iowa for one.

Dr Evil on December 6, 2011 at 3:07 PM

Well helllll, if Rove is agin’ it, I’m fer it. What time does the debate start and what channel is it on?

44Magnum on December 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM

I dont know. Why does anyone give RINO Rove a platform?

Go away Karl. You and your strategies have gotten into this mess. Just go away.

Sporty1946 on December 6, 2011 at 3:26 PM

I have no respect for Rove and his opinions. As far as the debate, the ones we’ve had that were sponsered by “journalists” were a disaster. Huckabee and the Lincoln/Douglas ones were good. This one may end up being well done as well. We’ll see, but I don’t see why everyone is so upset about it.

Rose on December 6, 2011 at 3:27 PM

As the above comments suggest, there finally may be a consensus on Hot Air: We don’t care what Rove says.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 6, 2011 at 3:41 PM

Rove: Why would any GOP candidate give Trump a platform?

People do stupid things. Why would Bush43 & Rove demand amnesty for 20 million new Democrat voters?

RJL on December 6, 2011 at 3:51 PM

Rove: Why would any GOP candidate give Trump a platform?

Because he stands up against Obama like you won’t? Because he shows fight like few RINOS will?

I’m not crazy about Trump, but I can see what is in front of my face. The Republicans you champion are a bunch of wussies in general.

Documentation? How about the latest insanity by the RNC, who are so intent upon showing everybody what pussycats they are that they are unwilling to attack Obama.

Heaven preserve me from inside-the-Beltway Republicans. They would sell our entire heritage for a bit of pottage.

hachiban on December 6, 2011 at 4:02 PM

Rove’s brilliance gave us Obummer! Who cares what he says!!

tomshup on December 6, 2011 at 4:04 PM

It’s not about the debate. Karl Rove wants Romney to be the nominee, he doesn’t want Trump messing with his formula for a Romney accession. What if people – voters, watch the Trump debate and someone catches fire? It’s a wild card. Karl Rove doesn’t like wild cards. The RNC and corporate media want to pick the republican nominee and next President. There are many good reasons why Paul and Huntsman should attend – media exposure before the caucus starts on January 3rd in Iowa for one.

Dr Evil on December 6, 2011 at 3:07 PM

I get what your saying, and I agree with all of it, except for the part about candidates attending it. I’d like to see these guys make a principled stand against any network who employs someone like Eason Jordan. That’s the reason to boycott this debate, not Trump. if Jordan were not involved, I would watch it. But he is, so I won’t, and I will forever hold those candidates who attend in lower regard than I would had they not attended.

holygoat on December 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM

Romney is dutifully obeying Rove’s edict and is not going to appear in the Trump debate.

Coward.

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I get what your saying, and I agree with all of it, except for the part about candidates attending it. I’d like to see these guys make a principled stand against any network who employs someone like Eason Jordan. That’s the reason to boycott this debate, not Trump. if Jordan were not involved, I would watch it. But he is, so I won’t, and I will forever hold those candidates who attend in lower regard than I would had they not attended.

holygoat on December 6, 2011 at 4:23 PM

The general public has no idea who this dude is. Also, most of us can not find ION on our channel lineup.

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:02 PM

If candidates can do YouTube and Twitter debates, they can do a Trump debate. The point is opening up the process to other avenues and audiences. There is nothing sacred about CNN. Candidates do not “kiss Brian Williams’ ring” by attending an NBC-sponsored debate. Brian Williams and Wolf Blitzer are schmucks. If Trump wants to join the schmuck brigade, so be it.

Heck, the candidates all went on Huckabee last week. If Huck has more credibility than Trump I’m not seeing it.

alwaysfiredup on December 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:02 PM

Actually ION is channel 16 on my cable lineup and I watch it every night from about 10pm CST on. It shows the best reruns at that hour. :)

alwaysfiredup on December 6, 2011 at 5:09 PM

Romney is dutifully obeying Rove’s edict and is not going to appear in the Trump debate.

Coward.

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:01 PM

I agree with your conclusion and characterization.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 6, 2011 at 5:21 PM

And right on cue, Romney declines to participate in Trump-moderated debate.

See? And Perry is supposed to be the one afraid of debates?

Can someone explain to me why Romney is even polling above 2% in the GOP primary? He should have been relegated to 1% in all the states save New Hampshire and a few liberal bastions.

TheRightMan on December 6, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Phew, I’m so glad Romney isn’t going to enter this circus and he declined in typical gracious Romney manner by calling Trump instead of insulting him like Ron Paul and John Huntsman.

Trump isn’t serious but there is no need to belittle the guy, let the pundits do it.

I love that Romney is staying serious and above the fray in this Trump/Newt Huntsman/Paul media circus war of words smallness.

sheryl on December 6, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Sheryl, serious is not going to win the election.

Scrappy, in your face fighting is what is needed to take down Obama and the main stream press. Romney doesn’t have the nads to do it.

Actually ION is channel 16 on my cable lineup and I watch it every night from about 10pm CST on. It shows the best reruns at that hour. :)

alwaysfiredup on December 6, 2011 at 5:09 PM

I was being cheeky. I actually had to scroll my channel line up several times to find it.

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:45 PM

Rove is no conservative. That Hannity calls him the architect is insipid. Levin asked him about that the other day and ribbed Hannity about it.

beatcanvas on December 6, 2011 at 1:36 PM

Heh!

For some reason, elections won by 50.1% made Rove. I’m just curious, where did our boy genius put his chips in 1975 and 1979? For some strange reason, I have a hunch it was on Ford and Bush, and not on Ronald “The Landslide Machine” Reagan.

That said, I’d rather Rove and Trump go flip off somewhere while us conservatives get to the serious work of defeating the Marxist scourge with whatever leadership we manage to carve out of the primaries. If, and when, we win the general, the fight to resurrect first principles as the bedrock of our nation will have just begun.

Saltysam on December 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM

By the way, Rush had a lot to say about why Obama wants to run against Romney today on his show. He pointed out that the OWS was a setup to begin to demonize wall street and anyone associated with it. Rush cites an article where an off the record strategist for the Dems admits that they don’t want Newt because he doesn’t “carry the wall street baggage”.

I seriously believe that being a past philandering womanizer 15 years ago is not even in the same ball park as that bain capital photo of Romney with his peers stuffing money all over their suits and orifaces. Google Bain capital photo and Romney to see what I mean. That photo will cost Romney at least half of the so called “moderates”, the dummies who believe everything that comes across their tv set.

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:49 PM

…He pointed out that the OWS was a setup…

…strategist for the Dems admits that they don’t want Newt because he doesn’t “carry the wall street baggage”.

karenhasfreedom on December 6, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Interesting to note that the intensity, in protesting as well as reporting OWS, has shifted as the unpredicted shift in momentum for Newt.

Nothing surprises me anymore. The propaganda and its apparatus is thicker than a London fog.

Saltysam on December 6, 2011 at 5:58 PM

has shifted as the unpredicted shift in momentum for Newt.

with

(apologies)

Saltysam on December 6, 2011 at 5:59 PM

And right on cue, Romney declines to participate in Trump-moderated debate.

Which was the right decision, for a change. Good for Mitt.

See? And Perry is supposed to be the one afraid of debates?

TheRightMan

Yes, clearly this proves once and for all that Mitt(Paul and Hunstman too) is afraid of debates, lol.

Sheesh, you make many hard core Palinistas appear almost sane.

xblade on December 6, 2011 at 7:57 PM

Karl Rove has it exactly right.

Those people who believe that Donald Trump — having personally tried and miserably failed to gain traction as a serious candidate earlier in the year — should somehow now be allowed to grab the position of final arbiter of Republican Presidential politics, presumably as some sort of self-awarded consolation prize, should have their heads examined.

Trump is a bad joke.

Trochilus on December 6, 2011 at 11:08 PM

Why does anyone even talk to Rove anymore? yeah, he was the ‘mastermind’ behind the Bush elections, but the only thing he has done and continues to do today is attack and bad-mouth the current GOP candidates. Whenever I see him on TV about to speak, I just turn the channel. I could care less what he says, the same with any other over-opinionated talking head or celebrity on TV.

easyt65 on December 7, 2011 at 8:28 AM

. . . Whenever I see him on TV about to speak, I just turn the channel. I could care less what he says . . .

easyt65 on December 7, 2011 at 8:28 AM

So . . . how do you come to any reasonable conclusion about what he says?

Osmosis?

Trochilus on December 7, 2011 at 1:42 PM