National poll: Gingrich 37, Romney 22; Iowa: Gingrich 31, Romney 17

posted at 7:40 pm on December 6, 2011 by Allahpundit

Here’s the national poll from Gallup confirming everything you thought you knew about the race. Most of Cain’s support did indeed go to Newt, and Newt continues to crush Romney among tea partiers and seniors. Intriguing data, but not nearly as important as state polls in Iowa and New Hampshire for the simple reason that national polls will move dramatically after those states vote.

So how’s Newt doing in Iowa? Newtastic:

Mr. Gingrich, who is scrambling to build a campaign structure that can capitalize on his surging popularity, holds considerable advantages over his rivals. The poll found that he is winning support from 31 percent of likely caucusgoers, who rate him as the most empathetic, the strongest commander in chief and best prepared for the job by a 2-to-1 margin. Mr. Romney had the support of 17 percent and Mr. Paul 16 percent.

The poll found that Mr. Gingrich is drawing more than twice as much support as Mr. Romney among men and those who identify themselves as either somewhat or very conservative. He receives three times more support than Mr. Romney from evangelicals. Mr. Romney receives more support from voters who call themselves moderate.

Yet only 38 percent of likely caucusgoers say that they had been contacted by the Gingrich campaign, raising questions about his ability to identify his supporters and lure them to more than 1,600 precinct caucus locations on a winter night. By comparison, 77 percent say that they have been contacted by the Paul campaign and 60 percent by the Romney campaign, underscoring a stealth operation that has been under way for months.

Newt’s favorables are 55/16 compared to just 43/33 for Romney, who was at 57/18 at the start of the month. I don’t know how to explain that dip except that undecideds are settling on Gingrich and then adjusting their opinions of Romney accordingly. Still, that boldfaced part is a major obstacle for Newt, I think, especially since so much of his cash is still tied up in campaign debt. Analysts, including the Times, keep pushing the point that something like 60 percent of primary voters say they could still change their minds, which is fair enough. But when is this mind-changing supposed to occur? We’re 28 days from the caucuses. A chunk of that time will be consumed by holiday distractions. If Newt’s going to implode before Iowa, realistically it’ll have to happen in the next two weeks or at the Trump debate a few days before the caucuses. Unless Romney’s got some killer oppo he’s ready to roll out at just the right moment, there’s no reason to think Gingrich will falter. There is reason, thanks to his skeletal organization, to think he might have trouble turning people out.

And if he does falter, we’re going to have a short primary season because Romney will be the only viable nominee left standing. The second-choice data:

If Perry had taken, say, 40 percent in that category then I’d think a resurgence was possible, but as it is, a Newt implosion seems likely to make Iowa a battle between Romney and Ron Paul. And if Ron Paul wins, that’s almost as good as a victory for Mitt: The GOP establishment will swing behind him to stop Paul and he’ll steamroll through the rest of the primaries. More bad news for Perry:

Take Newt out of the equation and it’s obvious who benefits. Especially since Iowa Republicans are becoming more willing to compromise on ideology in the name of electability as we get closer to the caucuses:

In fact, the most interesting data point from the Times’s crosstabs is where they asked respondents to say for each candidate whether they’d enthusiastically support them, support them with reservations, support them simply because they’re a Republican, or not support them at all. The numbers who say flatly that they wouldn’t support a particular candidate are remarkably consistent across the field, ranging from a low of 12 percent who say it of Gingrich to a high of 18 percent who say it of Bachmann and Huntsman. (A high of 36 percent said they’d support Huntsman simply because he’s a Republican.) Iowa Republicans really want to beat Obama and the vast majority are willing to support whoever emerges in the name of doing it, which suggests to me that if Newt’s blown his chance by the time caucus night arrives, undecideds are going to bite the bullet and back the next most-electable guy.

Exit question: This can’t be right, can it? Just 36 percent in socially conservative Iowa want to ban abortion outright?

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Let the Whaarrgaaarbble begin!!!

BigWyo on December 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Kind of reminds me of Perry’s 15 minutes of momentum.

hanzblinx on December 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Chasdal and Buy Danish hardest hit.

fossten on December 6, 2011 at 7:44 PM

The Gingrich stole Christmas

/Mitt Romney to his kids.

William Amos on December 6, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Newt may have numbers but he has no organization in Iowa. That is why tO4P and other allied groups are trying to pull off an upset victory for Palin in Iowa caucuses. We are also trying to organize a write in for her in NH. Iowa is doable, since she already has a well-oiled grassroots army there. Pull off a strong showing in Iowa and she will be drafted in like Eisenhower was.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Promachus, bless your heart.

andy85719 on December 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM

There is reason, thanks to his skeletal organization, to think he might have trouble turning people out.

He seems to be doing OK with that skeleton crew. Better than with that group of hookers professional campaign staff. who thought the grass wass greener in Texas. How’s that working out?

katy the mean old lady on December 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Here is another interesting question: what if Newt doesn’t implode but Paul somehow pulls out Iowa because of his organization and the passion of his supporters? As someone said the other day “If there is a snowstorm, Paul wins”. So what happens if Paul takes IA and both Newt and Mitt are still viable headed into NH and SC?

Kataklysmic on December 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Newtastic.

John the Libertarian on December 6, 2011 at 7:49 PM

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

But what if she doesn’t want to be drafted?

katy the mean old lady on December 6, 2011 at 7:49 PM

While I respect Newt’s grip on facts, figures and numbers, I just have a bad feeling about this. If he gets the nomination, will he be able to beat Obama? I’m not so sure he can.

MisterPundit on December 6, 2011 at 7:50 PM

Pull off a strong showing in Iowa and she will be drafted in like Eisenhower was.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

That’s absolutely ludicrous, she’s not a candidate and won’t be – all you’re doing is deflecting votes away from Conservative candidates and that only helps Mitt Romney (Palin’s nemesis).

Good God man.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2011 at 7:51 PM

Exit question: This can’t be right, can it? Just 36 percent in socially conservative Iowa want to ban abortion outright?

I can’t speak for anyone else but after all these years it would seem that an outright ban is not even a possibility. At this point it is better to change hearts and minds.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2011 at 7:51 PM

15 points over Mitt?

Excellent.

drballard/BuyDanish/Shery/Petunia/Meredith/csdeven begin eating gallons of ice cream, and crying.

portlandon on December 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM

While I respect Newt’s grip on facts, figures and numbers, I just have a bad feeling about this. If he gets the nomination, will he be able to beat Obama? I’m not so sure he can.

MisterPundit on December 6, 2011 at 7:50 PM

A wet paper bag can beat BHO.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

I am sure she will be very touched by your efforts.

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM

And if Ron Paul wins, that’s almost as good as a victory for Mitt: The GOP establishment will swing behind him to stop Paul and he’ll steamroll through the rest of the primaries.

The establishment will, under those conditions, swing behind Romney.

Then it will be the base’s turn. Let’s see if there is enough Maalox to allow them to coalesce behind romney.

I’m betting there isn’t.

JohnGalt23 on December 6, 2011 at 7:55 PM

. How’s that working out?

katy the mean old lady on December 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM

It’s working out TONS better than the Cain train! LOL

HondaV65 on December 6, 2011 at 7:55 PM

What is with this belief that “organization” is key in Iowa? That’s just something Terry Branstad says to try to get candidates to spend money in his state. Remember his “warnings” to GOP candidates that Iowans wouldn’t vote for anyone who didn’t put in time there? Well, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich haven’t spent all that much time there until this month and they are the frontrunners. Mitt Romney had the best organization money could buy in Iowa in 2008, and it amounted to nothing in the face of Huckabee’s momentum. Unless there is a blizzard, all that will matter in Iowa is who has momentum going into the caucuses.

Lawdawg86 on December 6, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Newt may have numbers but he has no organization in Iowa. That is why tO4P and other allied groups are trying to pull off an upset victory for Palin in Iowa caucuses. We are also trying to organize a write in for her in NH. Iowa is doable, since she already has a well-oiled grassroots army there. Pull off a strong showing in Iowa and she will be drafted in like Eisenhower was.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

If you’re going for the long shot, why not just get behind Ron Paul? At least, you know, he’s in the race.

MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2011 at 7:58 PM

The Dems are hitting the ol’ knees, praying to Gaia that Gingrich wins the nomination.

Splashman on December 6, 2011 at 7:59 PM

MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Excellent point..:)

Dire Straits on December 6, 2011 at 8:00 PM

A wet paper bag can beat BHO.

HondaV65 on December 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM

I love your optimism. I just wish I was as confident that Newt can pull it off.

Rod on December 6, 2011 at 8:01 PM

It’s working out TONS better than the Cain train! LOL

HondaV65 on December 6, 2011 at 7:55 PM

Disappearing slooowly off the radar screen is good? Boy, those guys ar geniuses!

katy the mean old lady on December 6, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Maybe if we start now on the time machine and then find someone who was leading the real tea party to have them run and then push them for the last two years so we will not be stuck with. Big government or smaller big government or huge massive big one world government.

tjexcite on December 6, 2011 at 8:02 PM

If you’re going for the long shot, why not just get behind Ron Paul? At least, you know, he’s in the race.

MeatHeadinCA on December 6, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Because I think he’s crazy.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Exit question: This can’t be right, can it? Just 36 percent in socially conservative Iowa want to ban abortion outright?

Social conservatives in Iowa are on the same mission as the rest of the country and that’s to make certain there’s one late-term abortion removed from the White House. This is one time I condone the procedure.

Rovin on December 6, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Cindy Munford on December 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM

A lot of people are organizing this. I am just a relay messenger. We are not going to give up easily.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 8:06 PM

Iowa Republicans really want to beat Obama and the vast majority are willing to support whoever emerges in the name of doing it, which suggests to me that if Newt’s blown his chance by the time caucus night arrives, undecideds are going to bite the bullet and back the next most-electable guy.

Then maybe Iowans should look to see who their neighbors are most likely to support against Barack Obama.

JohnGalt23 on December 6, 2011 at 8:07 PM

The thing that worries me most about Newt is that he needs someone to give his formidable mind some focus. I liked the Cain/Gingrich idea because I think Cain would have been a better executive, keeping a big picture focus, and leaving Newt to hammer out the political details.

Now, I wonder who can help Newt keep it simple. His VP pick needs to be a big-picture person, to help keep him in line. The only quasi-candidate I see who fills that bill is Palin, but I suppose her perceived negatives might hurt Gingrich.

Donald Trump, maybe?

Or who else? Who can keep Newt from sending his energy in too many directions?

Maybe he picks Cain, just to stick it in the media’s eye?

I still think Newt and Cain make a great team.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:07 PM

Newt vs Not-Newt… Not-Newt better get their game on and get it on fast or we will have Newt as our nominee… Holy h3ll what is going on?

gatorboy on December 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM

I still think Newt and Cain make a great team.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:07 PM

come on man…

equanimous on December 6, 2011 at 8:09 PM

the choice between Newt and Romney..is NO CHOICE AT ALL.

The Wall Street Big Gov lover with Progressive Blue blood running through his veins versus the thrice married big idea Frugal Socialist.

The Republic of America is suffering from political Alzheimers……..THE LONG GOODBYE.

It started decades ago and now minimum 45% of the voters in this country have no recollection of a time when the Fed Gov didn’t regulate our toilet flushes, our shower head pressure, our Air Conditioners, seat belt use, etc.

And now to accelerate the death of the patient that is this country we have Dr. Rosa DeLauro prescribing the government pay for diapers for parents. The NEA wants to provide dinner for kids, and NEWT wants to provide Federal subsidies to buy Health insurance.

It’s over, the patient is terminal. Gird your loins.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Because I think he’s crazy.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 8:05 PM

And I think your crazy. Easy.

bazil9 on December 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM

the choice between Newt and Romney..is NO CHOICE AT ALL.

It’s over, the patient is terminal. Gird your loins.

PappyD61 on December 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM

Not so fast. The BIG DOG is the answer.

Firefly_76 on December 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Yay! Go Newt!

terryannonline on December 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM

He seems to be doing OK with that skeleton crew. Better than with that group of hookers professional campaign staff. who thought the grass wass greener in Texas. How’s that working out?

katy the mean old lady on December 6, 2011 at 7:48 PM

LOL!

…huge massive big one world government.

tjexcite on December 6, 2011 at 8:02 PM

o.O NO PAUL!

Punchenko on December 6, 2011 at 8:26 PM

Can’t wait until Saturday’s debate.

:)

gophergirl on December 6, 2011 at 8:28 PM

Now, I wonder who can help Newt keep it simple. His VP pick needs to be a big-picture person, to help keep him in line. The only quasi-candidate I see who fills that bill is Palin, but I suppose her perceived negatives might hurt Gingrich.

Director of the Central Intelligence Agency David Petraeus would suit me just fine as Newt’s VP

Rovin on December 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Director of the Central Intelligence Agency David Petraeus would suit me just fine as Newt’s VP

Rovin on December 6, 2011 at 8:31 PM

So long as he wears his uniform. DP just doesn’t look right in a suit. :-(

Punchenko on December 6, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Not so fast. The BIG DOG is the answer.

Firefly_76 on December 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM

With all the explosions going on in the Ron Paul campaign video you linked, I’m surprised there aren’t a few mushroom clouds where the state of Israel used to be, just for the sake of Ron Paul wish-fulfillment. According to Ron Paul, geopolitical genius, it is, after all, our fault the Iranians are working so hard to develop nuclear capability. And the Jews–oh, wait, I’m sorry–the ‘Zionists’–do exercise entirely too much influence on American foreign policy.

Iranians get nukes, problem solved for all Ron Paul supporters everywhere.

The man is a disgrace–but hey, they love him on Stormfront.

troyriser_gopftw on December 6, 2011 at 8:33 PM

The thing I prefer about Gingrich, as opposed to Romney, is that, unlike McCain, Gingrich will fire the cannons. He’ll let it fly. There are a lot of things that need to be publicly said about the Democrats that have needed saying for a long time. Win or lose, you know that Newt is going to say things that have had a lot of Americans angry as hell for a long time. He very well could give voice to the white-hot anger of the silent majority, who have been watching the politically motivated Democrats in power send this country right down the toilet. The tinder is laid up against the kindling, and Newt very well could spark a raging fire in a large portion of the electorate that could become much larger than himself.

The thing that bothers me about Romney is that while he is a much better, competent candidate than McCain, and would likely make a competent president, I have a feeling that Romney would try to ruffle as few feathers as possible – and that plays right into the Dems’ hands. The Dems could nuance him, paint him as a rich, privileged Ken doll, and Romney would still follow his predilection to pull his punches…. McCain redux.

The time has come to fire all the ammo and let the American people decide. If they choose 0bama over Gingrich then the shame is upon the country at large, and then, if the country is to be saved at all, the political battle will have to shift to taking down the corrupt media establishment that elected 0bama.

I would feel better about losing with Gingrich than losing with Romney, precisely because I think that Gingrich will not hold back, and will give America a very clear choice.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:40 PM

The man is a disgrace–

troyriser_gopftw on December 6, 2011 at 8:33 PM

Despite your smears, apparently men and women in uniform disagree. They have given him more $$ than Obama or the other republican candidates combined, as reported as TRUE by Politifact.

Firefly_76 on December 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM

Ron Paul is not a disgrace. He just has totally unrealistic and dangerous foreign policy views – such that electing him would be as bad a mistake, in my opinion, as re-electing 0bama, for different reasons.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:48 PM

Not so fast. The BIG DOG is the answer.

Firefly_76 on December 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Ron Paul and Big Dog are two things that don’t go together :)

RonDelDon on December 6, 2011 at 8:55 PM

So what happens if it does come down to Ron Paul and Romney?

What a nightmare that would be.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM

So what happens if it does come down to Ron Paul and Romney?

What a nightmare that would be.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Easy for me. Romney. Not what would be tough for me is Paul vs Obama :)

RonDelDon on December 6, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Easy for me. Romney. Not what would be tough for me is Paul vs Obama :)

RonDelDon on December 6, 2011 at 9:02 PM

Paul vs Obama/Romney

I really don’t see much difference between Obama as he actually governs and Romney. Obama’s rhetoric is more socialist but they aren’t that different.

I think Ron Paul even though I think he’s a nut.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:06 PM

Video: Newt ‘Hits Homerun’ at Polk GOP Dinner

Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2011 at 9:11 PM

So what happens if it does come down to Ron Paul and Romney?

What a nightmare that would be.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:00 PM

Another nightmare would be Gingrich getting the nomination and then getting blown away in the general election. This is Gingrich, that could happen. I don’t think people are that much excited about Gingrich himself as they are just excited about the nearest available NotRomney. When there’s no Romney to combat anymore, and it’s Obama vs Gingrich under the national spotlight with the MSM arm of the DNC, what happens? I’m not feeling too good about this election.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM

portlandon on December 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM

That statement proves exactly how blindly obtuse you are.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:17 PM

Another nightmare would be Gingrich getting the nomination and then getting blown away in the general election.

I only give Newt a 30-40% chance as it stands. Romney between 5-10%.

When there’s no Romney to combat anymore, and it’s Obama vs Gingrich under the national spotlight with the MSM arm of the DNC, what happens? I’m not feeling too good about this election.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM

I am of the same mind. The good choices didn’t run this year.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I am of the same mind. The good choices didn’t run this year.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM

I agree, and not just Sarah Palin. Pence, Jindal, Rubio, or even Ryan although he’s a little charisma-challenged. Those that should’ve run didn’t, and we’re left with the sweepings.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM

^ Heck, even Mitch Daniels is looking better now.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM

I agree, and not just Sarah Palin. Pence, Jindal, Rubio, or even Ryan although he’s a little charisma-challenged. Those that should’ve run didn’t, and we’re left with the sweepings.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM

I would add DeMint and perhaps Rand Paul to that, but yeah.

Not Mitch Daniels or Pawlenty. Too weak.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Paul vs Obama/Romney

I really don’t see much difference between Obama as he actually governs and Romney. Obama’s rhetoric is more socialist but they aren’t that different.

I think Ron Paul even though I think he’s a nut.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:06 PM

There are big differences between Obama and Romney, that is the current Romney :) The thing about Paul that is so scary is his foreign policy. Blaming America for attacks, naive beliefs that if we just ignore every other nation all problems will go away. Paul’s foreign policy is so dangerous that I think it would end up causing more damage than Romney easily. Obama’s foreign policy is head and shoulders above Paul, which is scary.

RonDelDon on December 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM

The time has come to fire all the ammo and let the American people decide. If they choose 0bama over Gingrich then the shame is upon the country at large, and then, if the country is to be saved at all, the political battle will have to shift to taking down the corrupt media establishment that elected 0bama.

I would feel better about losing with Gingrich than losing with Romney, precisely because I think that Gingrich will not hold back, and will give America a very clear choice.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:40 PM

Nice post, all of it, not just what I quoted.

GaltBlvnAtty on December 6, 2011 at 9:31 PM

Newt…!!!

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2011 at 9:11 PM

What home run? All he did was recycle Reagan, Lincoln, and founding fathers quotes. Heck, Palin could do that (sort of).

Gingrich is a history teacher, not an executive. He can serve as Romney’s press secretary.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:32 PM

There are big differences between Obama and Romney, that is the current Romney :)

RonDelDon on December 6, 2011 at 9:30 PM

There lies the problem with Romney. Do we believe his current lies, or his liberal lies? Do we think he won’t link hands with the Democrats as he has said and done so often before?

Ron Paul is a nut, but he is at least a sincere nut.

sharrukin on December 6, 2011 at 9:35 PM

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:32 PM

Romney is losing in the polls. He can’t break out of the box and broaden his share of voters. :-(

UNELECTABLE. :-)

Punchenko on December 6, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Gingrich is a history teacher, not an executive. He can serve as Romney’s press secretary.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:32 PM

You’d better hope Gingrich implodes, and fast. I’ll bet Team Romney is thinking they would’ve been better off leaving those primary dates alone now, huh.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:41 PM

I would feel better about losing with Gingrich than losing with Romney, precisely because I think that Gingrich will not hold back, and will give America a very clear choice.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I wouldn’t, by the way. If Gingrich is nominated and loses, we’ll hear 4 years’ worth of disingenuous arguments about how conservatives just cannot win nationally.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM

I would feel better about losing with Gingrich than losing with Romney, precisely because I think that Gingrich will not hold back, and will give America a very clear choice.

cane_loader on December 6, 2011 at 8:40 PM

I wouldn’t, by the way. If Gingrich is nominated and loses, we’ll hear 4 years’ worth of disingenuous arguments about how conservatives just cannot win nationally.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:49 PM

I’ll expand on that a little. One reason that I’m disappointed that Palin didn’t run is because her candidacy would trigger a fight that the GOP is going to have to have sooner or later. That party is going to have to be transformed or else go the way of the Whigs. Any of the candidates out there right now would, win or lose, simply kick that necessary fight down the road.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:51 PM

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:41 PM

Actually, I am only interested in watching Gingrich get vetted like the rest of the candidates have. With Obama being scared to run against Romney and wanting to run against Gingrich, I figure there is so serious issues in his past that need to be exposed immediately. The last thing we need is Gingrich getting a pass just to have Obama drag out his dirty laundry in the general.

You should be hoping for the same thing.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Actually, I am only interested in watching Gingrich get vetted like the rest of the candidates have.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:54 PM

Gingrich has been vetted far more thoroughly than Romney has ever been. His dirty laundry’s been out there for a long time. You’re going to have to place your hopes somewhere else. What you should be hoping for in that case, just to be fair, is for Romney to get just a tiny bit of Palinization.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 9:58 PM

What home run? All he did was recycle Reagan, Lincoln, and founding fathers quotes. Heck, Palin could do that (sort of).

Gingrich is a history teacher, not an executive. He can serve as Romney’s press secretary.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 9:32 PM

You forgot the story about the Wright Brothers…

… next time at least listen.

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2011 at 9:59 PM

For all you Ron Paul supporters out there: the same platform and policies Paul is advocating now are the same platform and policies advocated by Ed Clarke, perennial Libertarian candidate for president, from 1976 onward.

Ron Paul is emphatically not a Republican, and neither is his son, Rand Paul. They are fringe Libertarians who adopted the Republican brand in order to give their oddball beliefs the veneer of mainstream respectability.

Paul’s claim that we are responsible for the Iranian efforts to acquire nukes is part of a piece, a foreign policy view grounded in the old, discredited America Firsters movement prior to WWII. This modern reboot even retains the rabid–but partly disguised–antisemitic bigotry of the old version. And now they’ve attached themselves to the GOP like some kind of malignant growth.

You love Ron Paul? Then form that third party so many of you claim to want. You won’t be missed–not by me, anyway. I consider myself a Party of Lincoln Republican, and I imagine Lincoln would despise Ron Paul and all he stands for.

troyriser_gopftw on December 6, 2011 at 10:12 PM

The frugal socialist needs to be exposed for what he is. If that’s what Republicans want, at least that should choose with their eyes open.

Igor R. on December 6, 2011 at 10:16 PM

Meanwhile Newt may not make the Ohio ballot

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/6/gingrich-struggles-on-state-deadlines-for-filing/?page=2

Igor R. on December 6, 2011 at 10:47 PM

That is why tO4P and other allied groups are trying to pull off an upset victory for Palin in Iowa caucuses. We are also trying to organize a write in for her in NH. Iowa is doable, since she already has a well-oiled grassroots army there. Pull off a strong showing in Iowa and she will be drafted in like Eisenhower was.

promachus

Why don’t you guys do something productive….like look for bigfoot or something?

xblade on December 6, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Ron Paul!

How could you so called Conservatives support these puppets????

JihadKiller1s1k on December 7, 2011 at 12:08 AM

Seven Percent Solution on December 6, 2011 at 9:59 PM

Yeah. Once I seen it was an older video and had already been shilled by the Gingrich supporters, I turned it off. It was the same old boiler plate stuff designed to raise money. It isn’t working.

csdeven on December 7, 2011 at 12:18 AM

Maybe it isnt working for you csdeven, since you are in the tank for your your Edsel. It was a very good speech. With attacks only on Obama. Good history lesson too. Robomney could’nt make this type of speech wihtout a teleprompter. But but Romney can fix our economy! Your days are numbered Romney folk.

Gedge on December 7, 2011 at 1:23 AM

Newt may have numbers but he has no organization in Iowa. That is why tO4P and other allied groups are trying to pull off an upset victory for Palin in Iowa caucuses. We are also trying to organize a write in for her in NH. Iowa is doable, since she already has a well-oiled grassroots army there. Pull off a strong showing in Iowa and she will be drafted in like Eisenhower was.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

A write-in???? Are you fricking kidding me? You are delusional if you think she will get enought to even matter, and I as a strong Palinista! What you WILL do is insure that Mittens wins in Iowa…gads, how dumb can one be and still cross the street alone…

lovingmyUSA on December 7, 2011 at 2:28 AM

Newt may have numbers but he has no organization in Iowa. That is why tO4P and other allied groups are trying to pull off an upset victory for Palin in Iowa caucuses. We are also trying to organize a write in for her in NH. Iowa is doable, since she already has a well-oiled grassroots army there. Pull off a strong showing in Iowa and she will be drafted in like Eisenhower was.

promachus on December 6, 2011 at 7:46 PM

This isn’t exactly 1952, and I don’t remember Sarah Palin (or any of the other candidates) having led a massive military invasion 8 years ago (which Eisenhower had). If you really liked Ike, why don’t you try to draft Petraeus?

Steve Z on December 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM

Yet only 38 percent of likely caucusgoers say that they had been contacted by the Gingrich campaign, raising questions about his ability to identify his supporters and lure them to more than 1,600 precinct caucus locations on a winter night. By comparison, 77 percent say that they have been contacted by the Paul campaign and 60 percent by the Romney campaign, underscoring a stealth operation that has been under way for months.

This is the whole problem with caucuses as opposed to primaries. Caucuses attract a relatively small number of diehard fans of each candidate willing to spend hours discussing politics, whereas primaries attract a much larger electorate willing to spend 15 minutes in line to cast a secret ballot, but not necessarily talk about it with the neighbors. But these are the people whose votes you need in the general election.

In 2008, Huckabee was the surprise winner in Iowa, but he ended up finishing third in the nomination battle behind McCain and Romney. McCain’s campaign was in shambles right before the Iowa caucuses, but his surprise win in NH started bringing in donations, and the Florida primary was decisive.

Gingrich has been running a “philosophical” campaign, rather than a glad-handing, baby-kissing “retail” campaign. He has been gaining support based on his ability to explain the issues, as other candidates (Bachmann, Perry, and Cain) have flamed out at debates, which have shown their shallowness on issues.

It remains to be seen whether Iowans will trek out in the snow to caucus for him. But organization isn’t everything, and Santorum says he will go to every one of Iowa’s 99 counties, and what support does he have?

Romney may well win the Iowa caucuses based on better organization, and New Hampshire based on his record as governor of Massachusetts. But Gingrich will probably win SC, and then Florida will be crucial. For Romney, it might be good to be first out of the blocks in IA and NH, but SC and FL have more delegates–then there’s a month break until Super Tuesday, where anything is possible.

Steve Z on December 7, 2011 at 10:29 AM

They forgot Holy Crap is at 55%

mtucker5695 on December 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM