Most ridiculous headline of the day: “#OWS Are Just Sleeping in Tents; College Football Fans Are Rioting”

posted at 6:55 pm on December 5, 2011 by Tina Korbe

Ordinarily, I have little to no desire to pick apart another person’s blog post. I know how it goes; sometimes a post goes up in a hurry and the analysis it contains is a little less than complete — to be fleshed out further in follow-up post after follow-up post.

But I’m not sure John Amato of CrooksandLiars.com could come back with a follow-up piece that would convince me of the rightness of his reasoning in this little bit of commentary, provocatively headlined “#OWS Are Just Sleeping in Tents; College Football Fans Are Rioting.”

In it, just as the headline suggests, Amato argues that fans storming the field after a football game constitutes violent rioting.

Had he just stopped there, the piece would have been funny enough — but still somewhat defensible. He at least offers some evidence for his perspective: After the Oklahoma State University Cowboys subjugated the University of Oklahoma Sooners this weekend in the annual Oklahoma rivalry game aptly known as “Bedlam,” OSU fans were in such a hurry to dismantle the goalposts that they inadvertently injured at least 12 fellow fans, including one who had to be airlifted to the hospital.

Now, it just so happens that I was in Stillwater, Okla., for this game — and I’d characterize the atmosphere afterward as anything but violent. Jubilant, ecstatic, buoyant, sure. But violent? Not so much. Nevertheless, it’s incumbent upon me to say — and, honestly, I’m very happy to say it — that injuries caused by excessive celebration after a football game are unnecessary, inexcusable and regrettable. College football fans could stand to gain a little perspective about the relative importance of any given game. Not even a vital victory is an excuse to depart from decent comportment. And, as a collector of etiquette books, I’d have to say the rules of polite behavior do dictate that fans shouldn’t trample other people underfoot nor push them over an 8-foot wall.

But Amato doesn’t stop there. After castigating college football fans, Amato argues that the Occupy Wall Street protesters are their antithesis — that they are, in fact, peaceful protesters. Sheesh. Has Amato never seen the rap sheet? We’re up to nearly 400 incidents of violence, vandalism and outrageous behavior among the Occupiers. What is Amato’s definition of “peaceful”?

Because he believes OWS protesters are peaceful and college football fans violent, he’s properly appalled that police would turn to tasers, pepper spray and other tamers to subdue Occupy crowds, while stadium security officers allow college football fans all-but-free-reign over the field. He can come up with just one explanation: Police mistreat Occupiers because they “just aren’t profitable,” while college football fans supply a lot of cash to the schools they support.

Let’s say for just a moment that that is true. So? It is a strike against Occupiers that their Occupation costs taxpayers money and doesn’t positively contribute to the economy they decry as so unfair. And it is a point in favor of college football fans that their sports enthusiasm helps to create opportunities for student athletes.

(Whether college sports should be so integral to “the college experience” is debatable. I’m one who is inclined to think “college sports” should just be their own industry, while universities should become again what they once were — institutions of higher learning designed not for everyone and his kid brother, but just for the academically-minded. But that’s beyond the scope of this post.)

But the more likely explanation than Amato’s is that the police have turned to questionable tactics to evict OWS protesters because Occupiers have proved themselves to be, time and again, belligerent. Defying lawful orders to pack up and leave isn’t exactly the way to ensure you’re evicted peacefully.


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I wonder what the crime rate would be when you calculate it as a percentage of the OWS population???

turbeda on December 5, 2011 at 7:01 PM

If there are facts out there that you dislike, the solution is to bury them with stories you do like.

It doesn’t matter if people notice that the individual stories are irrational and false, eventually there will be such a glut of them that it can honestly be said that the majority of the information available supports your desired outcome.

CrazyGene on December 5, 2011 at 7:04 PM

Are we talking Football, or Futbol?

Kini on December 5, 2011 at 7:05 PM

Oh, it has to be more than 400 incidents of violence. I know that in a many cities this weekend the poopers tried to re-occupy so they could poop some more.

Blake on December 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM

Orwell would be proud.

Grunt on December 5, 2011 at 7:15 PM

From the aforementioned blog post on the report of undercover police infiltrating the Occto-Squatter camp:

The undercover work yielded information that some protesters were preparing bamboo spears and other potentially dangerous weapons in advance of an expected eviction,

Was it even reported that the football fans had anything close to that?

Chip on December 5, 2011 at 7:15 PM

I distinctly remember seeing an OSU caowboy sh!tting on a Sooner Schooner!

abobo on December 5, 2011 at 7:17 PM

I guess John is one of those DFH’s! LOL!

Kini on December 5, 2011 at 7:21 PM

I generally hate to go off-topic, but Chrissy Tinglepants and Debbie Shhhults-Wassername are spewing red meat at an alarming rate. It is not to be believed. MSNBC is better than the comedy channel thingy for belly laughing hilarity.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:23 PM

A journalist goes to sleep, wakes up in the middle of the night with an idea, jots it down…then writes about it.
Creating and forming some idiotic manifestation a CIRQUE DU SOLEIL of acrobatic arguments to support his dream vision.
That’s about all journalists do now…

right2bright on December 5, 2011 at 7:25 PM

I’m one who is inclined to think “college sports” should just be their own industry, while universities should become again what they once were — institutions of higher learning

I agree with you on this point. Very few college athletic programs are actually profitable (the last NCAA statistic I saw on this was less than 20 universities). No Atheletic Director or coach should make more than a full-time professor. When I was NCAA, I had to have the grades or I couldn’t compete-period. And that was a good thing. If the NFL wants to have a minor league system, do like baseball and stop using colleges and let them get back to academics.

DAT60A3 on December 5, 2011 at 7:32 PM

Little Debbie has a snack for you!!!! God help us all.”

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:32 PM

I don’t feel like I need to point this out Tina, but over 90% of your “Extensive Rap Sheet” against OWS protestors consists of non0violent offenders arrested because they wouldn’t disburse the protest when ordered to. Regardless of whether you believe in their cause or not to characterize that as “Rioting” is about as disingenuous as it gets. There’s been a few instances of violence on their part to be sure, but virtually all of the violence reported thus far has been from the law enforcement side, not the other way around. I wonder how many people here would side with the UC Davis police.

And of course Hotair posters whine whenever the media characterizes Tea Party people as racist/stupid in broad strokes…. whatever.

Typhonsentra on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

The out-of-control football fans didn’t disrupt the routine of the country’s buisness and economy.

OWS rap sheet
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/CW on December 5, 2011 at 7:11 PM

Great link. Thanks CW, and Andrew Breitbart.

listens2glenn on December 5, 2011 at 7:35 PM

I’m one who is inclined to think “college sports” should just be their own industry, while universities should become again what they once were — institutions of higher learning

I agree with you on this point. Very few college athletic programs are actually profitable (the last NCAA statistic I saw on this was less than 20 universities). No Atheletic Director or coach should make more than a full-time professor. When I was NCAA, I had to have the grades or I couldn’t compete-period. And that was a good thing. If the NFL wants to have a minor league system, do like baseball and stop using colleges and let them get back to academics.

DAT60A3 on December 5, 2011 at 7:32 PM

DAT, why shouldn’t Les Miles, Nick Saban, Mark Richt, and the other SEC football coaches make two or three million dollars a year if ESPN is paying the conference a BILLION dollars over 20 years to broadcast their games?

radjah shelduck on December 5, 2011 at 7:37 PM

Typhonsentra on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Whatever or whoever you are, you are not fooling many. Your mojo is lame, libtard.

Why should law enforcement people paid by the people do their job, pray tell?

I don’t expect a coherent answer, as your 7:33 post exemplifies incoherent uninformed brainwashed nonsense.

Good luck with that.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:39 PM

Was it even reported that the football fans had anything close to that?

Chip on December 5, 2011 at 7:15 PM

Hello. White picket fences with a D? Sharp pointy sticks! /

Frogmorton on December 5, 2011 at 7:42 PM

There’s been a few instances of violence on their part to be sure, but virtually all of the violence reported thus far has been from the law enforcement side

I see what you did there. Of course most of the reported violence has been on the LEO side. The media is another arm of the movement that spawned Occupy*.

Hannibal Smith on December 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM

There’s been a few instances of violence on their part to be sure, but virtually all of the violence reported thus far has been from the law enforcement side

Mmmkay. If you say so.

I wonder how many people here would side with the UC Davis police.

I would venture to guess just about everyone but the loudmouth blow-hards who can’t even manage to clean up after themselves.

Just like unsupervised children, come to think of it.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:44 PM

And of course Hotair posters whine whenever the media characterizes Tea Party people as racist/stupid in broad strokes…. whatever.

Typhonsentra on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Tea Partiers were treated like garbage, called everything BUT a child of God by the rabid MSM, the Congress of the USA and we were dismissed as knuckle dragging mouth breathers. We turned Congress on its head in 2010 and you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Your OWS movement has been praised by the Oministration’s Democractic “Leadership” as organic, peaceful, blah blah blah they are just wonderful. Even POTUS praised them. They are why he ran for office.

Typho, the Dems have “lost” their one and only opportunity to organize and form a single idea or thought that is productive in nature. The Dems have boxed themselves into a really embarrassing corner. If you don’t think ALL of America sees this then you are delusional.

If you unleash the Unions? Goodbye, Unions…. the taxpayers of this Country are fed up.

See you at the ballot box… maybe. I hope there will be one next year.

Key West Reader on December 5, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Most ridiculous headline of the day: “#OWS Are Just Sleeping in Tents; College Football Fans Are Rioting”

I guess I must have missed the article which reported that football fans were peeing in the aisles of the stadium and defecating in the seats…

…and also the article which reported that the football fans refused to go home after the game and expected the city to let them live in the stadium indefinitely…

/sarc>

…and seriously, leftist dolts: what OWS is doing in the tents is NOT “sleeping”.

landlines on December 5, 2011 at 7:47 PM

Crooksandliars.com

Heh. Pathetic site.

RedNewEnglander on December 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM

OCCUPY YOURSELF (with something useful).

Now, there’s an idea.

I’m sure it’s not a popular one amongst the “99%ers”.

Oh, and by the way — 99 percent my big ol’ hairy hillbilly ass.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:53 PM

Addendum: Math is hard.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM

What is Amato’s definition of “peaceful”?

Defecating on police cars?

WarEagle01 on December 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM

I don’t feel like I need to point this out Tina, but over 90% of your “Extensive Rap Sheet” against OWS protestors consists of non0violent offenders arrested because they wouldn’t disburse the protest when ordered to.

Typhonsentra on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

@Typhonsentra: If you’re going to lie about something, at least pick something which has not been linked to actual facts which prove that you are either too ignorant to actually read the facts or too impaired to understand them.

Your post does not even qualify for “dolt” here: we have standards.

landlines on December 5, 2011 at 7:57 PM

There’s been a few instances of violence on their part to be sure, but virtually all of the violence reported thus far has been from the law enforcement side, not the other way around. I wonder how many people here would side with the UC Davis police.

Typhonsentra on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Don’t forget the deaths, Typhoid. Don’t forget the number of dead comrades by drug overdoses and a couple of murders.

And, if you view the entire video of the incident, the IC Davis police explain to each protestor individually that if they don’t move they will be sprayed and they agree to it. Meh. They will right it on their resumes to get teaching jobs.

Fallon on December 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM

One of the violent offenses listed:

“Gay porn filmed at OWS protest”

oh, right. republicans. they think anything gay is evil.

triple on December 5, 2011 at 8:08 PM

I’d certainly cut Cowboy fans some slack. How often do they get an outcome that makes them want to rush the field, after all?

J.E. Dyer on December 5, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Sooners and Cowboys is a grudge match an uneven grudge match, the Sooner have won the majority. When the Cowboys win this is what happens mayhem. Last time it happened was about 10 years ago……..Comparing Sooner Football fans to OWS mob? OWS has it’s own football team now? What division do they play in?

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 8:42 PM

I’d certainly cut Cowboy fans some slack. How often do they get an outcome that makes them want to rush the field, after all?

J.E. Dyer on December 5, 2011 at 8:16 PM

I thought it was the Sooner fans who rushed the field. The Cowboy’s winning the grudge match is a rare event.

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 8:43 PM

John Amato was dishonest? That’s just nutty.

Jim Treacher on December 5, 2011 at 8:59 PM

Aw.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 9:13 PM

De-lice the freaks and then make them pay for the cost they forced upon their “host” cities and campuses.

Of course, “forced” is kinda silly, seein’ as how nobody held a gun to Bloombooger and the rest to make them put up with this “Gee, I wish I was a Sixties Flower Child” Syndrome.

Shame all around.

hillbillyjim on December 5, 2011 at 9:17 PM

As it rolled in……………………….

Intell Alert!
=============

Official: 13 injured, 2 critically, as fans storm field after Okla. State win over Oklahoma – AP
45 Minutes ago
===============

VIDEO: Fans storm field, tear down goal posts at Oklahoma State game where at least 13 injured – Youtube
10 Minutes ago.
Hot
====

http://www.breakingnews.com/
============================

2011 Big 12 Champions! Oklahoma State!!!!!
Uploaded on Dec. 3 2011
***********************
(Video-3:54 Min.length)

Tearing the goal post down!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npF6r_RT8nQ

canopfor on December 4, 2011 at 4:09 AM

canopfor on December 5, 2011 at 9:21 PM

Ordinarily, I have little to no desire to pick apart another person’s blog post. I know how it goes; sometimes a post goes up in a hurry and the analysis it contains is a little less than complete — to be fleshed out further in follow-up post after follow-up post.
==============

Tina,there is only a certain amount of time in da day,
and try’n to follow up,on updates,on any news story,is
time consuming as you well know!

Keep up the good work:)

canopfor on December 5, 2011 at 9:24 PM

I don’t feel like I need to point this out Tina, but over 90% of your “Extensive Rap Sheet” against OWS protestors consists of non0violent offenders arrested because they wouldn’t disburse the protest when ordered to. Regardless of whether you believe in their cause or not to characterize that as “Rioting” is about as disingenuous as it gets. There’s been a few instances of violence on their part to be sure, but virtually all of the violence reported thus far has been from the law enforcement side, not the other way around. I wonder how many people here would side with the UC Davis police.
And of course Hotair posters whine whenever the media characterizes Tea Party people as racist/stupid in broad strokes…. whatever.
Typhonsentra on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

You left out all the sexual assaults, regular assaults against civilians including the elderly and property destruction.

gwelf on December 5, 2011 at 10:03 PM

Beating Stoopsie and the Sooners? Awesome.

Ward Cleaver on December 5, 2011 at 11:23 PM

Tina, you’re an OSU grad, aren’t you? I work with a couple of folks who went to school in Stillwater, and spent plenty of time in Eskimo Joe’s.

Ward Cleaver on December 5, 2011 at 11:26 PM

Couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw the MSNBC newsperson on THE WEATHER CHANNEL (?) call the Cowboy fans “a mob.” Give me a break! There was no violent intent only jubilation. And who hasn’t seen jubilation and tearing down goalposts after a huge victory before?
BTW, I’m a Sooner fan, but hats off to the OSU Cowboys. They should be playing for the National Title. Have nothing but respect for Mike Gundy and crew!

Christian Conservative on December 6, 2011 at 12:21 AM

If you don’t count the rapes, stabbings, fights, brawls, thefts, robberies, vandalism, arson, killings, threats and assaults, OWS is a peaceful protest.

Dollayo on December 6, 2011 at 6:29 AM

And those goal posts went down for nothing, as we move into the biggest fustercluck of a post season in the history of college football.

MNHawk on December 6, 2011 at 7:04 AM

YOU’RE just bragging you were at the game, Tina, sneaky girl.

Don’t think we didn’t catch THAT little bit of elitism.

**sniff**

tree hugging sister on December 6, 2011 at 8:04 AM

I’ll be the first to agree with the OWS pissants:

There was definitely an ass-kicking in Stillwater.

:O)

OhEssYouCowboys on December 6, 2011 at 12:17 PM