Gallup: Gingrich, Romney the only candidates seen by Republicans as “acceptable” nominees

posted at 6:15 pm on December 5, 2011 by Allahpundit

The split for Newt is 62/34, the split for Mitt 54/41. Next best is Perry at … 41/52. As usual, though, the tea-party numbers are the most interesting part:

Romney’s the only candidate above 50 percent with both ideological wings of the party, but Gingrich is right on the brink — and his advantage among conservatives and especially tea partiers is huge. (It’s no outlier, I think: PPP reports today that Gingrich leads Romney among Iowa tea partiers 35/4(!).) Among those same tea partiers Perry is all the way back at fifth place in acceptability, behind Cain. And Ron Paul, who’s always been treated by the media as a godfather of the tea-party movement, is buried at 27 percent, 12 points worse than he does with non-tea-partiers. Thus does a horrible possibility begin to dawn on the press: Could the most radically extreme extremist wingnuts of all actually be pretty darned pragmatic in choosing their nominee? Politico wonders:

“I’m a tea party person and I know the two tea party people are probably Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum,” said Kathy Behlert, after a Gingrich event in Greenville on Wednesday. “I want to see Newt Gingrich up against Obama because I think with his background and his experience being the speaker he knows an awful lot about what’s going on in this country.”

In Iowa, Jim Carley, an Altoona tea party leader and state legislative candidate, doesn’t see Gingrich as the type of insider who causes problems. He’s still weighing his options, but has narrowed his choices down to Gingrich and Santorum.

“He’s been a Washington man and he knows where the bodies are. He knows how to get through the minefield,” Carley said. “Basically, he is an outsider. His inside-ness was years ago.”…

Republican revulsion toward Obama, whom conservatives view as a naive greenhorn whose lack of experience is reflected in his performance, is bolstering Gingrich’s case: Voters say they are looking for someone who already knows their way around Washington.

“Unfortunately, a lot of the fresh blood that we see is what got us in trouble with Obama,” said Joe Mullins, of Greenville, minutes after picking up his Gingrich yard sign outside a town hall meeting. “Pretty faces sometimes are just pretty faces and they don’t have a message behind the face, behind the image.”

If Newt wins on the strength of TP turnout, it’ll be one of Obama’s most impressive legacies. He’ll have achieved something no establishment Republican has been able to accomplish: By showing them just how badly a novice can govern, he’ll have taught grassroots conservatives how to appreciate Beltway insiders. Kudos, champ.

I searched Gallup’s archive to see if they’ve done any other “acceptability” polls and the only hit I got was this one from 2006, reporting that four out of 10 Republicans found, er, John McCain “unacceptable” as a potential nominee. Which is to say, don’t read too much into these numbers: Not only do they likely reflect whoever’s hot in the polls at the moment (Perry and Cain’s acceptability splits were doubtless much better two months ago), but partisans have a funny way of convincing themselves that a candidate is acceptable once he starts to look inevitable. If you are going to read into them, though, don’t forget to note this data set:

This is at least the third poll to show Gingrich doing impressively well with seniors, which always leaves me conflicted about him becoming the nominee. On the one hand, it’d be sweet to have a guy at the top of the ticket capable of dominating a high-turnout demographic. On the other hand, the more Gingrich and the GOP owe their victories to seniors, the more difficult entitlement reform would seem to become. How aggressive will President Newt be, really, in overhauling Medicare if his reelection depends heavily on its beneficiaries? Or does the fact that he’ll have a cushion among seniors mean he can actually be more aggressive on entitlement reform, since he can afford to lose a few more of their votes than the average candidate could?

While you mull that, here’s some flashback video from 2007 via Andrew Kaczynski of the tea party’s new champion.

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Newt is no different in many respects than Mitt

Except Mitt is about as exciting as wet mud.

andy85719 on December 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM

Wait until the second after if he gets nominated……then you’ll start to hear nothing but Newt’s past.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 7:40 PM

sheryl, would you like to go on the record with now with your prediction that the MSM is holding nothing back on Mitt for the general?

Kataklysmic on December 5, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Kataklysmic on December 5, 2011 at 7:44 PM

oops. Should be *right now

Kataklysmic on December 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Wait until the second after if he gets nominated……then you’ll start to hear nothing but Newt’s Mitt’s past.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 7:40 PM

This is true of any candidate. Your boyfriend will not be spared.

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Gallup: Gingrich, Romney the only candidates seen by Republicans as “acceptable” nominees

I don’t trust polls! This looks like the typical media headline to make voters believe that there are only two candidates that they have to choose from. That’s what it looks like. I say Americans do have choice and they should not be forced into accepting the media’s candidate. Thanks.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 7:46 PM

Who knows? If your fellow Palinistas, currently backing Gingrich out of spite to Perry, would see reason the way it appears you have – his support could collapse quickly enough.

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 7:08 PM

Flies, honey, vinegar, etc. Perryites have been nothing but nasty to Palinistas. Why on earth should we back your guy instead of Newt, who has been relatively gracious to her/us?

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM

I don’t think newt can win against barry….sorry. Axelrod (aka the Hatchet Man) will take him apart. And Barry will say that Newt will shut down the government every time his face is on tv.

sex and shutting down the government…right wing cranks that time passed by 100 years ago

r keller on December 5, 2011 at 7:54 PM

This is true of any candidate. Your boyfriend will not be spared.

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:45 PM

Maybe but what they have on Mitt is weak, boring stuff.

Newt’s will be filled with blow jobs stories in driveways when the kids are near.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM

What does America have now as a standard? Whatever the poll say is the standard for choosing right from wrong. The standard now is majority opinion? Who cares what the poll says! What does God say! That’s what’s important. If you do not like the Republican establishment candidate, the left wing establishment candidate, then write someone else’s name in when you go vote. You do NOT have to vote for the establishments candidate, OK. What are you cattle or something. You do NOT have to choose between two RINO’s like Newt Gingrich and Willard Romney. Write in another candidates name. Thanks.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Yes but you must admit that Nicolae Carpathia Huntsman has a boyish if not devilishly handsome grin!

RedLizard64 on December 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM

Palin wasn’t given a chance by the Tea Party? R.U. Kidding me? She chose not to run. Time to stop playing the blame game…

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Of course, she chose not to run. I was not talking about Palin there but tea party’s reaction to Palin. Apparently, they never rallied behind Palin like they are doing for Newt. They never said, enter the race and if you badly perform we won’t support you, they were quite adamant about her not entering the race. Palin had the least negative from a conservative’s point of view. All of her so called negatives also apply to Newt. But the tea party waved off those objections when it comes to Newt but kept making them insurmountable in case of Palin.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Newt, Mitt or Barack.

Great.

I’m starting to hope the damn Mayan’s are right.

Bruno Strozek on December 5, 2011 at 6:21 PM

The Mayans only predicted catastrophe in 2012 only if Obama was elected.

The world would be ok with Newt and better with Romney.

Conservative Samizdat on December 5, 2011 at 8:04 PM

Michele Bachmann > Establishment Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Willard Mitt Romney.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:04 PM

I don’t recall the “Tea Party” urging Sarah not to run. The GOP? Yes. Not that it’s easy to document since it’s an amorphous entity, but to the extent that this blog is representative of the Tea Party, as I recall Hot Airians overwhelmingly supported Palin and wanted her to run.

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 8:08 PM

Michele Bachmann > Establishment Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Willard Mitt Romney.
apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 8:05 PM

Michel Bachmann< either of them when it comes to experience, background, accomplishments. Her resume' is rather short and as such she should be running for the Senate or other seats before attempting the White House. Way premature on her part…

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM

sheryl, would you like to go on the record with now with your prediction that the MSM is holding nothing back on Mitt for the general?

Kataklysmic on December 5, 2011 at 7:44 PM

Yes I will.

Obama and the DNC have nothing except that Mitt’s a rich and who tried a health insurance plan for the uninsured that was within the legal confines of the 10th amendment of the US Constitution and the MA Constitution.

With Newt, the material they have on him will write it self, heck they probably won’t have to spend 1/2 billion on Newt.

Newt was one of the most toxic politicians around back in the day, it will take very little to bring him back up to speed with the American people.

Espeically when all the salicious stories get played over and over…..Newt’s self-professed dislike of women will drive a lot of the first wave of negatives, then his disgraced speakership, then the dirty book deals, then his cronyism as a Washington insider, then his huge paycheck for the disasterous Fannie and Freddie, then the mutiny of his campaign staff, his debt, his weird wife.

Newt is a sure loser for the GOP in 2012.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 8:08 PM

There was a widely cited poll about how 80% of tea party, not GOP, did not want her to run.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Are these the stories we want popping up?

Mitt Romney spends $100,000 destroying/hiding records as governor.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/06/us-usa-campaign-romney-computers-idUSTRE7B500X20111206?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

andy85719 on December 5, 2011 at 8:21 PM

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Hotair was a Tea Party blog long before there was ever a Tea Party. And we have always adored Governor Sarah Palin.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 8:34 PM

Flies, honey, vinegar, etc. Perryites have been nothing but nasty to Palinistas. Why on earth should we back your guy instead of Newt, who has been relatively gracious to her/us?

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM

LOL…

Is your beef with Perry or is it with his supporters? Newt has been more gracious to Palin than Perry?

You guys/gals will surely rue the day when you allowed an establishment plant to infiltrate Conservatives4Palin – making you believe that Perry was Palin’s worst enemy when in reality you can’t tell a mite difference between their policies and visions.

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM

There was a widely cited poll about how 80% of tea party, not GOP, did not want her to run.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

And you believed it?

If she had gotten in, I have no doubt it would be Palin as the non-Romney at the top of the polls.

John the Libertarian on December 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM

Flies, honey, vinegar, etc. Perryites have been nothing but nasty to Palinistas. Why on earth should we back your guy instead of Newt, who has been relatively gracious to her/us?

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Truth.

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Newt is a sure loser for the GOP in 2012.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 8:13 PM

Honestly. How are you ever going to back away from that? If Newt gets the nomination, you will have to support Obama to save face. Lest you be wrong for once in your life.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 8:43 PM

andy85719 on December 5, 2011 at 8:21 PM

What Mitt & his staff did was legal. People can go thru the 600 to 700 boxes and troll thru the paper copies to find dirt if they want to.

People did the last time around and found very little that was controversial.

But maybe Mitt will have that Sarah moment when Obama’s billion dollars pays someone to wheel all the boxes to a location and have people go thru them.

Whatever, let em. Mitt is a moral, decent man and would not do anything unethical.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 8:45 PM

Michel Bachmann < either of them when it comes to experience, background, accomplishments.

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM

What a silly argument. Politicians are generally immoral people to begin with and the fact that you’re defending two of the worst liars in American politics today says a lot about your judgment. I would choose a decent, honest, candidate like Congresswoman Michele Bachmann who may have a little less experience over two opportunistic, dishonest, RINO’s like Romney and Gingrich any day. Thanks.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Those are my picks.

Governor Perry, Governor Romney, and Speaker Gingrich, the dark horse.

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM

John the Libertarian on December 5, 2011 at 8:37 PM

At that time, no. But now I think that poll might have overstated it but it caught something true. I don’t believe the tea party one bit.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Honestly. How are you ever going to back away from that? If Newt gets the nomination, you will have to support Obama to save face. Lest you be wrong for once in your life.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 8:43 PM

I’m not. On another post I have declared the revelation of Newt profiting from Fannie and Freddie during the time that that organization was going to bring this country to financial collapse is where I draw the line.

Newt, like Barney Frank, propping up that institution is the major fundamental (Newt’s favorite word) reasons Washington is so dysfunctional and corrupt.

Our party will have reached a level of hypocrisy that I can’t defend. If Newt is the nominee I’ll skip voting for POTUS.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Perryites have been nothing but nasty to Palinistas. Why on earth should we back your guy instead of Newt, who has been relatively gracious to her/us?

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM

That is just nonsense. Most of the Perry people have been Palin supporters, and were grateful for her support in the TX primary last year, as he campaigned for her in 2008.

Do not tar everyone with such a broad brush. Also, as someone who’s stuck up for Palin for years on lefty and MSM sites, I think Newt is the anti-thesis of everything Palin stands for.

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 8:52 PM

Flies, honey, vinegar, etc. Perryites have been nothing but nasty to Palinistas. Why on earth should we back your guy instead of Newt, who has been relatively gracious to her/us?

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Truth.

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Except I was supporting and defending Sarah Palin, here on Hot Air, until she dropped out so that’s not true.

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 8:54 PM

Truth.

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM

Not true and a grace insult to those of us who’ve cheered her on over the years, given to SarahPAC, etc.

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM

grave insult

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM

How were respondents screened besides party affiliation.

i.e., are they registered voters or are they likely voters.

Inquiring minds want to know…

redneck hippie on December 5, 2011 at 8:58 PM

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 8:54 PM

But you know the Perry posters here who trashed Palin relentlessly..

We can name names….

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Yet another gun owners organization to oppose Gingrich

“But the biggest knife that Newt plunged into the back of all Americans and gun owners who wish to defend themselves and their families, was his coming out in support of a national thumbprint database for gun owners,” said [D.R. Leonard, Political Director of Georgia Gun Owners].

Spathi on December 5, 2011 at 9:05 PM

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM

Who? Don’t include the rest of us in that group.

in the meanwhile if you like and can stand 20 min of very poor, watch these you tubes I made of a fundraiser the day after the 2008 VP debate. The voice you hear laughing and cheering for Perry and Palin is me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdmLoydI9hY&list=FLqWLR5r02a2twsOGgdxO1bQ&index=2&feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW0D4SXcagI&list=FLqWLR5r02a2twsOGgdxO1bQ&index=1&feature=plpp_video

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:09 PM

If ur a dude and you are attracted to Mitt Romney, don’t ever message me…

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM

very poor *video*

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:10 PM

Gallup: Gingrich, Romney the only candidates seen by Republicans as “acceptable” nominees

I will never accept what is spoon fed to me by anyone from RINO Republicans to Karl Rove to the left-wing media… I am an independent thinker.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 9:13 PM

There was a widely cited poll about how 80% of tea party, not GOP, did not want her to run.
promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:15 PM

Okay, fine. It’s all water under the bridge, and this thread is about Newt and Romney not Palin. Time to move on!

What a silly argument. Politicians are generally immoral people to begin with and the fact that you’re defending two of the worst liars in American politics today says a lot about your judgment. I would choose a decent, honest, candidate like Congresswoman Michele Bachmann who may have a little less experience over two opportunistic, dishonest, RINO’s like Romney and Gingrich any day. Thanks.
apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM

Lack of experience is a “silly argument”? Look how well that has worked out for the country with you know who in the W.H.

You can choose whomever you wish to vote for. She doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell in getting the nomination, and would be soundly defeated by O should she manage the miraculous, but you go girl. Did I mention how much she damaged us during the debt ceiling debate with her extreme positions?

My “judgment” tells me that it’s down to Mitt and Newt. Gallup seems to have come to the same conclusion. As for Romney (and Newt for that matter) being “one of the worst liars in American history”, hyperbole much?

Goodnight.

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 9:14 PM

You know, after all the money I’ve spent for Palin, it’s very insulting to be accused of trashing her.

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:19 PM

You know, after all the money I’ve spent for Palin, it’s very insulting to be accused of trashing her.

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:19 PM

Do you now see why my labelling of a certain subset of Palin supporters as “bitter Palinistas” was spot on.

Just look at idesign and alwaysfiredup comments.

I was one of the most vociferous supporters of Palin on this site and she remained my number 1 until I saw early enough that she was not running. Most of us knew that Perry announcing a run meant Palin had probably communicated to him that she was not running.

Unfortunately, some chaps at Conservatives4Palin started spreading the lie that Perry had always been envious of Palin and wanted to upstage her – leading to quite a significant number banding against him even before his first debate.

This explains why some are ready to forgive any present or past wrongdoing by Cain or Gingrich but continue to hold things like Perry’s “have no heart” comment against him – despite his apology.

They are bitter and prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face.

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Sorry you feel that way Sheryl. I look back on my vote for Ronald Reagan in 1984 as one of the highlights of my voting experience. Newt was an insider once, and I believe that will help him root out corruption in Washington. I really can’t see any of the other candidates getting it done on day one.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 9:34 PM

You know, after all the money I’ve spent for Palin, it’s very insulting to be accused of trashing her.

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:19 PM

No one is accusing you of trashing Palin…

And thank you for being a supporter of hers, and I can understand you going with Perry.

But that doesn’t negate the fact that a lot of Perry supporters here, did.

Just saying…

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 9:35 PM

Flies, honey, vinegar, etc. Perryites have been nothing but nasty to Palinistas. Why on earth should we back your guy instead of Newt, who has been relatively gracious to her/us?

alwaysfiredup on December 5, 2011 at 7:48 PM

Seriously? That’s how you decide who you’re going to support? Not only is that childish and self-defeating but I bet you are only referring to a handful of people. I am a Perry supporter who would have happily backed Sarah, if she had run. Their positions are so much alike it’s a no-brainer- the two of them have supported each other as governors for quite some time. Amazing.

kg598301 on December 5, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Thanks, idesign

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:38 PM

They are bitter and prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face.

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Apparently so. Geez.

kg598301 on December 5, 2011 at 9:40 PM

Newt was an insider once, and I believe that will help him root out corruption in Washington. I really can’t see any of the other candidates getting it done on day one.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 9:34 PM

Wow! I am in the wrong profession. I should have been a salesman – selling bridges and snake oil.

You beleve Newt will root out corruption in Washington?

ROFLMAO….

And Perry is supposed to be the dumb one?

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 9:41 PM

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canopfor on December 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM

Thanks, idesign

juliesa on December 5, 2011 at 9:38 PM

Peace..:)

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 9:47 PM

They are both horrible…and therefore ideal Republican candidates.
The sooner the GOP goes toes up, the better.

james23 on December 5, 2011 at 9:50 PM

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 9:41 PM

It’s going to take the people to do it man. Not just Newt. But Newt will use his knowledge of what’s wrong in all 3 branches to help us fix them.

I never said Rick Perry or anybody else was stupid.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 9:53 PM

Right man, how much is your snake oil? Mine’s running a quart low.

mike_NC9 on December 5, 2011 at 9:58 PM

I can’t digest the rank hypocrisy of the GOP or the tea party people. Apparently, Newt is acceptable even though he quit his speakership. But Palin was not because she resigned from the governorship. He was fined and had to admit to be culpable in his ethic complaints. She was cleared from hers. He flipflops from position to position while she’s consistent on every issue. But it’s the electability issue that show this hypocrisy the most. Newt was languishing with lower favoribility numbers than hers till not long ago. But he’s all acceptable to them even though he’s poison to independents. But she’s not. He’s electable but she was not. Okay.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 7:00 PM

yup

greeneyedconservative on December 5, 2011 at 10:07 PM

I can’t digest the rank hypocrisy of the GOP or the tea party people. Apparently, Newt is acceptable even though he quit his speakership. But Palin was not because she resigned from the governorship. He was fined and had to admit to be culpable in his ethic complaints. She was cleared from hers. He flipflops from position to position while she’s consistent on every issue. But it’s the electability issue that show this hypocrisy the most. Newt was languishing with lower favoribility numbers than hers till not long ago. But he’s all acceptable to them even though he’s poison to independents. But she’s not. He’s electable but she was not. Okay.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 7:00 PM

+1,000

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 10:24 PM

I can’t digest the rank hypocrisy of the GOP or the tea party people. Apparently, Newt is acceptable even though he quit his speakership. But Palin was not because she resigned from the governorship. He was fined and had to admit to be culpable in his ethic complaints. She was cleared from hers. He flipflops from position to position while she’s consistent on every issue. But it’s the electability issue that show this hypocrisy the most. Newt was languishing with lower favoribility numbers than hers till not long ago. But he’s all acceptable to them even though he’s poison to independents. But she’s not. He’s electable but she was not. Okay.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Newt was found to be not guilty by the IRS in 1999, and Sarah has indeed flip flopped on several issues. Other than that I can see your point and agree with you.

Damn shame that Sarah REFUSED to run. IMHO, she would top the polls today. ;o)

DannoJyd on December 5, 2011 at 10:50 PM

I can’t digest the rank hypocrisy of the GOP or the tea party people. Apparently, Newt is acceptable even though he quit his speakership. But Palin was not because she resigned from the governorship. He was fined and had to admit to be culpable in his ethic complaints. She was cleared from hers. He flipflops from position to position while she’s consistent on every issue. But it’s the electability issue that show this hypocrisy the most. Newt was languishing with lower favoribility numbers than hers till not long ago. But he’s all acceptable to them even though he’s poison to independents. But she’s not. He’s electable but she was not. Okay.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 7:00 PM

I support both. If Palin were to enter, she is my first pick. Since she is not in, Bachmann is my pick. If Bachmann does not recover, then Newt or Santorum are my only two candidates I am willing to vote for. Perry has a slim chance to turn things around and earn my vote. My vote is not given freely, it has to be earned by assuring me that you will represent me well enough that I willingly give you the power over me that the President has.

astonerii on December 5, 2011 at 10:50 PM

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 8:54 PM

But you know the Perry posters here who trashed Palin relentlessly..

We can name names….

idesign on December 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM

To tell the truth Sarah Palin draws fire from all directions. I always “Felt” it was Romney supporters who misrepresented Palin’s positives, and hyped a lot of media babble in the news cycle about Palin.

Sarah Palin could have run if she wanted to. If there was room for Thaddeus McCotter, and Tim Pawlenty there was plenty of room for Sarah Palin. I don’t begrudge her not running. I do think the next Republican President should consider her for their cabinet.
I appreciate Rick Perry entering the fray, the Perrys knew what they were in for, and he had just got over back surgery. They had to raise money fast because he got in late. I am not surprised that it’s Perry, Romney and Gingrich in the order they came in above. It makes sense, but it’s not sensational, the media needs sensational for ratings. I like that Perry, Gingrich, and Cain all showed they had a sense of humor. Whether the media liked it or not, they weren’t going to dance to the media’s preformatted stale tune. Romney’s scared to death to go off script, and it shows.

Dr Evil on December 5, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Lack of experience is a “silly argument”?

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Your understanding is darkened. You’re actually arguing that a very flawed, weak, candidate like Romney and RomneyCare and politically correct establishment Newt Gingrich are better choices as President over Congresswoman Michele Bachmann because of their experience. Huh? That is so stupid and it’s not just stupid, it’s evil. They’re part of the political establishment, the politically correct establishment that was directly responsible for the creation of the Tea Party. They’re all part of the Washington establishment that’s destroying the country and you’re defending them because of their “experience” over an honest sincere person like Michele Bachmann who’s positions whether we’re speaking about her position on American issues or whether we’re speaking about her commitment to Israel as a Bible-believing Christian are much better than those other candidates. In many ways, the Tea Party is the opposition to pseudo-conservatives like Romney and Gingrich even more so than to Democrats. Have you forgotten? Hmm, I guess nothing is so admirable in politics as a short memory.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 11:07 PM

I can’t digest the rank hypocrisy of the GOP or the tea party people. Apparently, Newt is acceptable even though he quit his speakership. But Palin was not because she resigned from the governorship. He was fined and had to admit to be culpable in his ethic complaints. She was cleared from hers. He flipflops from position to position while she’s consistent on every issue. But it’s the electability issue that show this hypocrisy the most. Newt was languishing with lower favoribility numbers than hers till not long ago. But he’s all acceptable to them even though he’s poison to independents. But she’s not. He’s electable but she was not. Okay.

Don’t try to digest it. Figure it out.

I can’t get past the sense of entitlement that so many of my fellow travelers on the right seem to have. Somehow we’re “owed” a Jesus-loving, hard-right-on-every-issue, candidate that is also palatable to a cross-section of all America in the general election. A “new” Reagan, you see. I’d love it if only that were so and realistic right now. If we don’t have a Reagan, we can’t vote for one. It’s as simple as that.

No media conspiracies. No rigging of primaries. Most more often than not the “ideal” candidate does not present themselves. It’s more a rather rare thing.

Newt? He may be riding a crest right now and I do not dislike him at all. But, there’s no question he has far more points of derision than does Mitt. Mitt has RomneyCare and waffling on semi-auto gun laws. Okay. Newt has Nancy on his couch, some very unsavory personal marital issues, and waffling on the Global Warming issue, and the 7 digit charge account at Tiffany’s for his latest wife. Does anyone else remember his criticism, and resulting skewering of the Ryan’s budget plan? He was completely and entirely out to lunch on that, had his arse handed to him, and then he relented.

He is a fine speaker and could no doubt cheat Obama out of his strap in a debate. But does he have the senses, the organization, the self control to run a campaign against him and win? I don’t really think so.

So, both of our front-runners are less than perfect figures with political histories to defend. Neither are neo-Reagans. One is a Mormon (pseudo-Christian) who has displayed extreme Christian principles in his personal life and with his family. The other is a Catholic (super-Jesus Christian) who has displayed something far less in his personal dealings. Newt is closer to being an inside Washington, career politician than is Romney who was a Governor and businessman. Romney has never resigned from anything due to personal or managerial lack of confidence. Newt has.

Newt, like Cain, has been playing around with his Presidential run. Romney has been serious and dedicated to it for many years now. Who is actually displaying the real seriousness and duty to task in this respect? Can you say that Newt is more serious and organized in this run?

I am a seriously conservative voter and person, but, Romney is proving to me the be not only the most viable but also the serious and controlled alternative to Obama we have.

I want Obama out and the person who stands the best chances of doing that gets my nod. Simple as that…

JoeinTX on December 5, 2011 at 11:23 PM

As for Romney (and Newt for that matter) being “one of the worst liars in American history”, hyperbole much?

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 9:14 PM

Please quote me right. I didn’t say that Romney and Gingrich were “one of the worst liars in American history”, I said:

Politicians are generally immoral people to begin with and the fact that you’re defending two of the worst liars in American politics today says a lot about your judgment.

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 8:50 PM

And, btw, if you think it’s an extravagant exaggeration to say that Newt Gingrich and Willard “Mitt” Romney, who’s a complete flip flopping phony on every issue. Complete flip flopping phony. If you think it’s an exaggeration to say they have a problem telling the truth, then you are puppet under heavy, heavy, mind control of Karl Rove and Ann Coulter. Seriously, what’s the matter with you man. Have you any decency?

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 11:33 PM

Lack of experience is a “silly argument”? Look how well that has worked out for the country with you know who in the W.H.

You-know-who’s lack of experience has nothing to do with the state of the country. His big government, liberal policies wouldn’t be successful if only he had more experience.

Did I mention how much she damaged us during the debt ceiling debate with her extreme positions?

Buy Danish

Do you believe in bigfoot too, or any other imaginary creatures/events?

xblade on December 5, 2011 at 11:33 PM

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apacalyps on December 6, 2011 at 12:12 AM

Whatever, let em. Mitt is a moral, decent man and would not do anything unethical.

sheryl on December 5, 2011 at 8:45 PM

LOL

Romneycare.

Immoral, indecent, and unethical.

Game Set Match.

If you want to go into Private business ethics and how its a good thing to ship American jobs overseas, then I’ll oblige you there as well.

MadDogF on December 6, 2011 at 12:25 AM

yet “conservatives” ignore Newt’s past but obsess on Mitt’s.

Buy Danish on December 5, 2011 at 7:40 PM

You got that right. What they really are is bitter former worshipers of failed candidates. It is understandable that they will blame the front runner Romney for their weak inadequate candidates. So, Gingrich has the lead for now. Until his history of corruption, immorality, liberalism, and shady Fannie/Freddie deals become the issue. Hopefully that happens during the remaining debates. If not, Obama will use them to get his second term if Gingrich is the GOP nominee.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Romneycare.

Immoral, indecent, and unethical.

MadDogF on December 6, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Explain why.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Still arguments for Romeny? Hah Romneycare alone gives him no chance. You can spin all you want. But but he flipped 4 companies for profit! In other words. He made (his) economey better by having people lose jobs at his whim. Those companys that were left in his dust so he could make money, had employees who had to find a new job.

As for the Winter Olympics thats always pushed. Sure alot were hired. they had jobs. for 4 months. Where were they hired after? So I’m sure he took great credit on those jobs made. Are they still employed? Half of those employed were circus vargas carnies.

Mitt just isnt likeable thats gonna be the deciding factor. When you see his handlers jump in peoples faces. Its a turn off. Hes not a people person. Well unless your from New hampshire.

Gedge on December 6, 2011 at 4:05 AM

ColdWarrior57 on December 5, 2011 at 7:03 PM

+1

cmsinaz on December 6, 2011 at 6:28 AM

apacalyps on December 5, 2011 at 11:07 PM

I’m “evil”? You’re “nuts”.

Buy Danish on December 6, 2011 at 7:16 AM

But but he flipped 4 companies for profit! In other words. He made (his) economey better by having people lose jobs at his whim. Those companys that were left in his dust so he could make money, had employees who had to find a new job.

Gedge on December 6, 2011 at 4:05 AM

If you think capitalism is evil, you’re watching the wrong primary.

Ronnie on December 6, 2011 at 7:50 AM

Do you now see why my labelling of a certain subset of Palin supporters as “bitter Palinistas” was spot on.

Why would the be bitter about “Palin is unelectable…negatives too high…too polarizing…we need PERRY!!!!” comments from PerryKrishnas? Now that Perry’s flopped, the PerryKrishnas are discombobulated.

They are bitter and prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face.

TheRightMan on December 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM

Backing Perry at this point might also be cutting your nose off. Or beating a dead horse.

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 8:02 AM

You got that right. What they really are is bitter former worshipers of failed candidates.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Like Romney? There’s a failed candidate for you. How many times now?

ddrintn on December 6, 2011 at 8:04 AM

Newt is becoming innoculated against criticism in a number of ways:

1. He has and is admitting past mistakes, and is trying to attone for them.

2. He is standing up to and in most cases repudiating the liberal smears.

3. He has outlined in great detail (over the past 30 years or so) his plan for the country and its future.

When the tsunami hits in Nov 2012, he will bring along with him a Congress not seen since the 80s. It may not be a veto-proof Senate, but it will be a most comfortable majority of conservative Republicans and moderate Dems along with greater numbers in the House. The Congress will hold Mr. Gingrich to his promises and will prevent him from the blunders he has committed in the past.

Mr. Grump on December 6, 2011 at 8:52 AM

Of course, she chose not to run. I was not talking about Palin there but tea party’s reaction to Palin. Apparently, they never rallied behind Palin like they are doing for Newt. They never said, enter the race and if you badly perform we won’t support you, they were quite adamant about her not entering the race. Palin had the least negative from a conservative’s point of view. All of her so called negatives also apply to Newt. But the tea party waved off those objections when it comes to Newt but kept making them insurmountable in case of Palin.

promachus on December 5, 2011 at 8:04 PM

I don’t know what planet you’re from, but at the TEA Party rallies I went to it was Palin who was cheered, not anyone even remotely considered “inside-beltway”.

dominigan on December 6, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Romneycare.

Immoral, indecent, and unethical.

MadDogF on December 6, 2011 at 12:25 AM

Explain why.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 1:26 AM

Beyond bankrupting the state and reducing the quality of care?

dominigan on December 6, 2011 at 8:55 AM

I’m “evil”? You’re “nuts”.

Buy Danish on December 6, 2011 at 7:16 AM

Buy Danish is an example of everything that’s wrong in American politics today. She voted for Romney and RomneyCare in 2008 and she said she would for him again in a heartbeat. She constantly argues against Tea Party candidates like Mike Huckabee (who put together the wonderful Huckabee Presidential Forum over the weekend) Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in favor of the establishment in this country. You know, she pretty much just co-signs whatever Karl Rove tells her. Buy Danish is one of the worst. I mean, just a.. such a typical example of the evil, left-wing, RINO Republican in politics today.

apacalyps on December 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM

“This is at least the third poll to show Gingrich doing impressively well with seniors, which always leaves me conflicted about him becoming the nominee. On the one hand, it’d be sweet to have a guy at the top of the ticket capable of dominating a high-turnout demographic. On the other hand, the more Gingrich and the GOP owe their victories to seniors, the more difficult entitlement reform would seem to become. How aggressive will President Newt be, really, in overhauling Medicare if his reelection depends heavily on its beneficiaries? Or does the fact that he’ll have a cushion among seniors mean he can actually be more aggressive on entitlement reform, since he can afford to lose a few more of their votes than the average candidate could?”

-The current roster of seniors over 65 have a lot more life
experience and expertise in the work force than those under 40.
They actually remember Jimmy Carter, they remember the good things
Newt accomplished while Clinton was president, they remember the
“good ole days” until the young ones came in and screwed everything up.

I suggest you worry less about the seniors and more about the
socialist agenda that has infiltrated this country.

Amjean on December 6, 2011 at 9:18 AM

Salute to all the TRUE Michelle Bachmann supporters who haven’t given up on our candidate… In the words of Sister Sledge… “WE ARE FAMILY”

apacalyps on December 6, 2011 at 9:30 AM

allahpundit and “only” 8 = 2

the only candidates

maverick muse on December 6, 2011 at 9:40 AM

Gallup: Gingrich, Romney the only candidates seen by Republicans as “acceptable” nominees

Seems these Republicans enjoy the flip-flop as much as these unacceptable candidates.

rukiddingme on December 6, 2011 at 9:55 AM

I guess I’m no longer a tea partier then. It’s over.

juliesa on December 6, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Beyond bankrupting the state and reducing the quality of care?

dominigan on December 6, 2011 at 8:55 AM

You are either a lying sack of $hit or you are an ignorant misguided lemming. Costs are in line with the projections when the law was passed. Doctors say the wait time has not been affected. The care is better in many instances. The citizens of MA love Masscare.

So yeah, how about some facts to support your claim.

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 10:40 AM

Buy Danish is an example of everything that’s wrong in American politics today. She voted for Romney and RomneyCare in 2008 and she said she would for him again in a heartbeat. She constantly argues against Tea Party candidates like Mike Huckabee (who put together the wonderful Huckabee Presidential Forum over the weekend) Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in favor of the establishment in this country. You know, she pretty much just co-signs whatever Karl Rove tells her. Buy Danish is one of the worst. I mean, just a.. such a typical example of the evil, left-wing, RINO Republican in politics today.
apacalyps on December 6, 2011 at 9:07 AM

Ha! You represent everything which is wrong with the loony wing of the social con movement. The fact is, you are wrong on so many counts it’s almost unfair of me to respond as it will demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt what an ignorant fool you are, and it could make me appear unkind:

I voted for Romney (sue me!) as the far better choice over Johnny Mac which demonstrates that I am more, not less, conservative. I did not “vote for RomneyCare” as I do not live in Massachusetts so I had zero influence over that legislation. Nor do I get marching orders from Karl Rove, or anyone else.

I have my issues with Huckabee, mostly because of his pathetic class warfare/class envy routine (which I wrote about here). But I have also defended him against unfair charges that he let a murderer run free as Arkansas Guv, I have said that I think Huck should be Mitt’s veep, that he is a gifted speaker, that his show attracts a wide range of viewers (the proverbial “big tent”). Just yesterday I named him in Patrick’s poll as the write-in for veep choice.

Furthermore, I defended Michelle Bachmann from left wing assaults. She is a fine member of the House of Representatives. She is not White House material.

To put me in the category of a “left wing” is a joke. The fact is, I diligently pointed out Obama’s Marxist ties, with post after post provided during the 2008 election cycle. I was the first person here to direct H.A. readers to Trevor Loudon/New Zeal, and have have provided info to him (well before Glenn Beck began to use his information). I am a staunch anti-Communist, anti-Leftist, count David Horowitz as a hero, am fiercely patriotic believer in American Exceptionalism.

On a personal level, I have been “defriended” by so many left-leaning friends of mine, I’ve lost count. At the same time, I picked up conservative friends of theirs who “friended” me because they loved how I took them on.

Have a nice day.

Buy Danish on December 6, 2011 at 10:45 AM

O/T….I hope we are going to get a thread about Obama channeling Teddy Roosevelt. My goodness, the guy can’t be himself so he tries to be everyone else. Didn’t he compare himself to FDR and Reagan?

csdeven on December 6, 2011 at 10:54 AM

Just heard Newt on Beck radio……

He’s a freaking Progressive Big NUDGE THE PEOPLE Republican!!!!!

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

NO NEWT!!!!!

PappyD61 on December 6, 2011 at 10:58 AM

2012 is going to be a rough year … this makes the Goldwater “Daisy” ad look tame.

J_Crater on December 6, 2011 at 11:32 AM

“I’m a tea party person and I know the two tea party people are probably Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum,” said Kathy Behlert, after a Gingrich event in Greenville on Wednesday.

HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!! Wow! Really? Bachmann voted for the Patriot Act and Santorum would never leave your bedroom! How’s that for limited government? The Tea Party has been taken over by the Republican Party. It is no longer grass roots. I’ve been a supporter of the tea party since 2007 when Ron Paul held one. I no longer see it being true to its limited government mantra. Very sad… A lot of these new tea partiers need to turn in their Gadsden flags. They don’t even know what it means…..

RightXBrigade on December 6, 2011 at 11:36 AM

I would hate to be considered acceptable. That’s kind of like if you want to date someone and they turn you down so you settle on their ugly older sibling

ConservativePartyNow on December 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I would hate to be considered acceptable. That’s kind of like if you want to date someone and they turn you down so you settle on their ugly older sibling

ConservativePartyNow on December 6, 2011 at 11:51 AM

I know. It is like you go to get a job, and they want to hire the 6 million dollar man, but he is not available and they pick you instead! I know there is no way you would ever in a million years accept that job knowing they only found you acceptable.

astonerii on December 6, 2011 at 4:22 PM

Have a nice day.

Buy Danish on December 6, 2011 at 10:45 AM

So, when I say I will not vote for your preferred candidate because I do not want him as president, I really do not want to hear any crap from you. Your not willing to vote Bachmann, I am not willing to vote Paul, Romney or Huntsman.
Have a pleasant and enjoyable week.

astonerii on December 6, 2011 at 4:25 PM

I voted for Romney (sue me!)

Buy Danish on December 6, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Vote for whoever you want, but I should end our conversation now. You believe Romney, so that says it all about your judgment.

I did not “vote for RomneyCare” as I do not live in Massachusetts so I had zero influence over that legislation.

You cannot deny complicity anymore. You supported Romney in 2008 and you are supporting him again in 2012 knowing that in many ways RomneyCare is the state version of ObamaCare. You cast your vote for a man who provided the model for Obamacare. He *IS* a disasterous candidate for that reason alone! How can Romney go around denouncing a government take over and Federal encroachment into people’s lives when Obama’s health care plan is modeled after his own! Get outta here with that garbage! What’s the matter with you people man! Seriously, you stupid people have any decency? Have any respect for yourselves!

Nor do I get marching orders from Karl Rove, or anyone else.

You are a puppet under heavy heavy mind control of your RINO Master, Karl Rove.

I have my issues with Huckabee, mostly because of his pathetic class warfare/class envy routine (which I wrote about here).

You can’t criticize anyone with fame or money or you are labeled “pathetic ” or “envious of them”… You false idol worshippers make me sick.

But I have also defended him against unfair charges that he let a murderer run free as Arkansas Guv,

Real talk. You did that which was right. Good for you.

I have said that I think Huck should be Mitt’s veep, that he is a gifted speaker, that his show attracts a wide range of viewers (the proverbial “big tent”). Just yesterday I named him in Patrick’s poll as the write-in for veep choice.

How nice. Huck can be Mitt’s VP. Thanks. *rolls eyes*

Furthermore, I defended Michelle Bachmann from left wing assaults. She is a fine member of the House of Representatives. She is not White House material.

As they say, with defenders like you, who needs enemies.

To put me in the category of a “left wing” is a joke.

On one side, we have the elites like Mitt Romney, Karl Rove and Buy Danish, and the other side, we have the regular people like Michele Bachmann, Mike Huckabee, and Apacalyps. Nuff said.

On a personal level, I have been “defriended” by so many left-leaning friends of mine, I’ve lost count. At the same time, I picked up conservative friends of theirs who “friended” me because they loved how I took them on.

I think you’ve convinced yourself that you are a real conservative, but the fact is, you are supporting the Washington establishment that’s destroying the country.

Have a nice day.

R.I.P. Republican Party

apacalyps on December 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM

Liking the “Believe in America” Romney brings ..nothing but a puppet carrying out the agenda for the evil ruling class lurking in the shadows.

apacalyps on December 7, 2011 at 12:49 AM

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