The case for Herman Cain staying in the race

posted at 1:25 pm on December 1, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

Ever since the last round of allegations against Herman Can from an alleged paramour, he’s experienced a dramatic drop in the polls and swirling rumors that he may be exiting the race. He’s now come out and said that, while he is considering that as an option, he’s waiting to discuss it with his family. But the sentiment that the sun has set on his unconventional campaign is not universal. Today we’ll share with you a sizable excerpt from one supporter who feels he should hang in there. The author is Chris Barron, one of the heads of GOproud, and he fleshes out his argument at length.

I have been on the Cain train since it was little more than an asterisk, and as a long time vocal supporter and donor, I for one hope Herman Cain does not drop out.

I love Herman Cain. I have spoken with him at length and I believe he is a good and decent person. I believe he is someone who speaks from the heart, someone who hasn’t been a product of our broken political system and someone who brings decades of real world business experience to this race. For me, however, this race has always been about the message and not just the messenger – and none of these allegations, true or false, about Cain’s personal life change the message one iota.

The message is simple: Washington is broken and it is the politicians – of all ideological and partisan stripes – that are responsible for it.

The Tea Party was a revolt against politics as usual. It was as much a revolt against the excesses of Republican politicians as it was a revolt against Democratic politicians. The Tea Party put Republican elected officials on notice that we – the base of the GOP – were not taking it anymore. Since the Tea Party led the GOP to historic wins in November of 2010, the Hill GOP – particularly House Republicans – have behaved in an uncharacteristic fashion. They have held the line on spending, refused to agree to raise taxes at all, and worked to reign in the size of government. These politicians didn’t suddenly get religion. They didn’t find political Jesus, they found fear – fear of the Tea Party. The only thing that stands between Republicans on the Hill going back to the bad old days of the Bush era GOP is the Tea Party.

Herman Cain’s campaign was and is the best opportunity for Tea Partiers to hold the politicians feet to the fire. The Cain campaign was and is the best way for the limited government base of the GOP to let the establishment know that we simply aren’t willing to accept big government Republicans any more than we are willing to accept big government Democrats.

There’s a fair bit more to read, but that should give you the flavor of it. (As a side programming note, we’ll be talking to Chris about this on The Not Ed Morrissey Show today in the second half of the show, which kicks off at 3:00 PM eastern.)

Questions of readiness, foreign policy experience and campaign organization aside, I accept that there are still more than a few reasons for Cain to remain in the race. His base of support is strong and his followers seem fairly fierce in their loyalty. (He hasn’t disappeared from the polling horizon entirely, though a lot of his support seems to have migrated to Newt.) Further, if Cain has amassed any campaign debt, he has even more incentive to remain. He should easily qualify for matching funds next month, and even if he doesn’t wind up winning the nomination, that would be a completely legal and legitimate way to retire that debt.

But probably the biggest reason is the people like Chris Barron. I really don’t see the kind of passion on display here among supporters for Romney or Newt. (Or Huntsman or even Perry these days, for that matter.) If Newt also stumbles – hardly an impossibility – maybe there is a second act in American politics. I’m sure T-Paw is still regretting dropping out so fast. And if he’s got enough cash on hand to keep up a bare minimum of appearances, what’s the point in quitting before the first vote is cast?

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Great line by Ann Coulter in her current column:

Most people say, “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” I say, “Where there’s smoke around a conservative, there are journalists furiously rubbing two sticks together.”

Tim_CA on December 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM

My wife sent Cain a note after this latest ‘bimbo eruption’ and asked him to stay in the race – for the simple reason that if he drops out the dnc/msm smear to destroy credible candidates will not only continue to be ‘politics as usual’ but only get worse until America has no choice and no chance a fair and open election.

jackal40 on December 1, 2011 at 1:34 PM

My wife sent Cain a note after this latest ‘bimbo eruption’ and asked him to stay in the race – for the simple reason that if he drops out the dnc/msm smear to destroy credible candidates will not only continue to be ‘politics as usual’ but only get worse until America has no choice and no chance a fair and open election.

jackal40 on December 1, 2011 at 1:34 PM

You don’t think we’re already at that point? We’re long-past the point of Dems buying elections with other people’s money.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 1:41 PM

Cain has a lot of “friends” that he was giving financial assistance that are trying to destroy him. Hmm, maybe they weren’t friends so much as whores?

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Herman Cain’s campaign was and is the best opportunity for Tea Partiers to hold the politicians feet to the fire.

That is a real stretch. Cain hasn’t become less popular merely because of some accusations from the past or infidelity. His policies don’t exist or are half baked at best. They guy is entertaining and affable but people can see for themselves that he is out of his depth and not fit for office. That is the message Cain has been busy telegraphing over the past month. Barron thinks that offering a nutty choice for President will advance the cause of fiscal prudence and he is wrong. The fact that Harry Reid is still in office is illustrative of how things are likely to turn out with a radical and clearly unfit candidate. He can still be a successful radio host and motivator.

lexhamfox on December 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM

The only reason for Cain to stay in the race is his opportunity to sell more books.

He’s a phony candidate, always was. It’s an embarrassment that a significant minority ever thought otherwise.

He should drop out- not so much due to the allegations, but the way he’s handled them and just about every other pointed question; i.e. badly.

Hollowpoint on December 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM

I have to agree. He should stay in. And he should replace his team.

Honestly, it wasn’t the attacks that turned conservatives off of him, it was his management team and their response to the attacks. I don’t think there’s any serious person out there who thinks that any of these women are credible. But Cain’s team handled it so poorly, visions of Palin and ’08 began to swim in our heads.

Replace your team, Cain. Stay in the race and push through this.

Book on December 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM

If Cain stays or goes, it seems that Mrs. Cain will have a huge in-put on the decision. I have and now have a problem with these twinkies coming out against Cain. I have given HIM the benefit of doubt, give proof of what is going on from these gals. If they are found to be true, well Cain has to decide what he wants to do and we voters will do so also on funding or voting for him.
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letget on December 1, 2011 at 1:46 PM

When he quits, it’ll be a signal to professional politicians that they can win by finding a few people to make scandalous allegations (true or untrue) against their opponents.

Of course, that’s something Obama has known for a long time.

hawksruleva on December 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Drop out.
Endorse Sarah and ask her to get in.
A vote for Cain is a vote for Sarah (in NH, SC. and FL)
Problem solved.

huckleberryfriend on December 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Cain has a lot of “friends” that he was giving financial assistance that are trying to destroy him. Hmm, maybe they weren’t friends so much as whores?

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Or maybe they were just greedy she-dogs, who have now found a new trough to feed at.

hawksruleva on December 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM

He’s been in this long…..
Oh hell, let him go to Iowa.
We’ll see what happens.
Even with all his problems he still polls in the top three.

NeoKong on December 1, 2011 at 1:54 PM

When he quits, it’ll be a signal to professional politicians that they can win by finding a few people to make scandalous allegations (true or untrue) against their opponents.

Of course, that’s something Obama has known for a long time.

hawksruleva on December 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM

No. When he quits, it’ll be a signal to future candidates to:

A. Address and tie down potential scandals beforehand.
B. Get a basic understanding of the issues before running so you don’t look like an idiot every time you speak.

Hollowpoint on December 1, 2011 at 1:58 PM

I have to agree. He should stay in. And he should replace his team.
Honestly, it wasn’t the attacks that turned conservatives off of him, it was his management team and their response to the attacks. I don’t think there’s any serious person out there who thinks that any of these women are credible. But Cain’s team handled it so poorly, visions of Palin and ’08 began to swim in our heads.
Replace your team, Cain. Stay in the race and push through this.

Book on December 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM

I think he should bow out, but otherwise agree with you. And that’s why I could never bring myself to jump on the Cain train. Aside from his foreign affairs ignorance, I look at his inept campaign staff and wonder what kind of Jerry Lewis-types he’ll surround himself with in the White House.

cartooner on December 1, 2011 at 1:59 PM

Herman Cain’s campaign was and is the best opportunity for Tea Partiers to hold the politicians feet to the fire.

BS. Herman Cain is not the Tea Party; we are. It’s our job to hold the politicians feet to the fire, and we’ve been doing it just fine with and without Herman Cain.

beatcanvas on December 1, 2011 at 2:01 PM

Drop out.
Endorse Sarah and ask her to get in.
A vote for Cain is a vote for Sarah (in NH, SC. and FL)
Problem solved.

huckleberryfriend on December 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM

This is sad.

Red Cloud on December 1, 2011 at 2:02 PM

I’m sure T-Paw is still regretting dropping out so fast.

Hubby said this just yesterday, though neither one of us are Pawlenty fans.

Fallon on December 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Stay in Herman…

“nil carborundum illegitimi”!

Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2011 at 2:09 PM

If nothing else, he should stay is the race to prove that the GOP Primary voters will not allow this kind of salacious, coordinated, purchased prevarication. will not be allowed to determine our selections. (Come on, folks: 3 women, ALL in long-standing financial straits, all his histories of dubious claims and suits? All coming out ‘independently’? If you think this is coincidental and spontaneous, I have a bridge to sell you.)

If I were Cain, I’d make sure the voice analysis of his latest accuser- and his denials- were done in the same manner as the first accuser (who has NEVER been before a microphone since; strange, isn’t it?) and publicized far and wide. They should show the same results of the first one (or he DOES have a reason to get out of the race.)

michaelo on December 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Further, if Cain has amassed any campaign debt, he has even more incentive to remain. He should easily qualify for matching funds next month, and even if he doesn’t wind up winning the nomination, that would be a completely legal and legitimate way to retire that debt.

At the end of September, there were about $675,000 in self-loans, and about $1,333,000 in cash on hand. Normally, that would suggest that he need not stay to get matching funds.

Then again, a familiar name is the campaign treasurer, andhe FEC has a request for additional information into said familiar name for, among other things, clarification on the source of the loans.

Steve Eggleston on December 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM

The message is simple: Washington is broken and it is the politicians – of all ideological and partisan stripes – that are responsible for it.

I keep hearing this repeated over and over and it drives me nuts. The system was meant to be adversarial. It is working as it was designed to. What’s ‘broken’ is that the government no longer operates within the confines of the Constitution. It wields tremendous power over every business, interest and private institution in the country. Washington has assumed power the constitution ceded to the states or the people and the only defense is to buy protection from lobbyists. If you have enough money you buy favors and screw your competitors. Trim Washington’s power back to constitutional bounds and return to equality under the law.

cartooner on December 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM

The only reason for Cain to stay in the race is his opportunity to sell more books.

Hollowpoint on December 1, 2011 at 1:43 PM

The same was said about Gingrich and his movie tour back in June.

Steve Eggleston on December 1, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Go Herman go! I want to see the pundits heads explode (in a non-violent way of course).

kringeesmom on December 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM

This is sad.

Red Cloud on December 1, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Palin needs to stay out. Cain needs to get out.

Cain’s incompetence is destroying Cain. Nothing else.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 1, 2011 at 2:27 PM

michaelo on December 1, 2011 at 2:10 PM

so that fact he is clueless on the issues is no problem, as long as the media attacks him you’ll support him? you think running a moron in the general will get us a win? have you seen his little foreign policy pdf? it looks like a middle school report, and not a good one.

no one cainiac will ever talk issues and his positions, its all about how he’s a poke in the eye to the establishment or the media. he’s a mistake and a huge one at that.

chasdal on December 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Then again, a familiar name is the campaign treasurer, andhe FEC has a request for additional information into said familiar name for, among other things, clarification on the source of the loans.

Steve Eggleston on December 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Which, again, calls Herman’s organizational skills into question. His campaign took a loan from Block’s PAC which was not allowed to spend money for political purposes? Geesh!

a capella on December 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM

no one cainiac will ever talk issues and his positions, its all about how he’s a poke in the eye to the establishment or the media. he’s a mistake and a huge one at that.

chasdal on December 1, 2011 at 2:28 PM

Until these accusations hit, all Cain’s detractors would talk about is what a big joke 9-9-9 supposedly was. I think his position on tax policy is perfectly clear, but no one’s talking about that any more because they’re too busy giving these gold-digging bimbos more credence than they deserve.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 2:39 PM

I’d like to see him stay in.

tinkerthinker on December 1, 2011 at 2:39 PM

Or maybe they were just greedy she-dogs, who have now found a new trough to feed at.

hawksruleva on December 1, 2011 at 1:51 PM

It isn’t credible that Cain would have all these troubled women he was giving long term financial help to out of the goodness of his heart who want to turn on him and falsely accuse him of things that will destroy him. It’s not something that occurs in the real world.

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 2:47 PM

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 2:39 PM

My issues with Cain ain’t the bimbos-it’s his need to be a perpetual victim and not take responsibility for his constant gaffes. It’s his refusal to fire Mark Block the serial liar. It’s his eagerness to cry racism when he’s attacked and to find racism where none exists.

He may be a nice guy-but he’s unfit to hold the highest office in the land.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM

Cain has a lot of “friends” that he was giving financial assistance that are trying to destroy him. Hmm, maybe they weren’t friends so much as whores?

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM

Gotta wonder…

How many male friends was he giving long-term financial assistance to…

JohnGalt23 on December 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

[s]He may be a nice guy [or gal]-but [s]he’s unfit to hold the highest office in the land.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 1, 2011 at 2:48 PM

You’ve said the same thing about other candidates before. And I’ve disagreed with you before. But regardless of your personal opinions towards Herman Cain, he was polling just fine until the bimbo eruptions hit. The numbers speak for themselves.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

It isn’t credible that Cain would have all these troubled women he was giving long term financial help to out of the goodness of his heart who want to turn on him and falsely accuse him of things that will destroy him. It’s not something that occurs in the real world.

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 2:47 PM

I wasn’t aware that politics had anything to do with “the real world,” champ. If it did, we wouldn’t be in danger of losing our unique American culture of freedom.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM

But regardless of your personal opinions towards Herman Cain, he was polling just fine until the bimbo eruptions hit. The numbers speak for themselves.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM

The worries about his basic competency were increasingly a concern, but he was seen as a nice guy and engaging. When the news of two $45,000 and $35,000 settlements came out that went directly to the perception of ‘niceness’. Without that personality trait there isn’t much left to Cain’s campaign appeal.

That is my opinion of what happened.

sharrukin on December 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM

I wasn’t aware that politics had anything to do with “the real world,” champ.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM

Don’t you think politics should have something to do with the real world? Your argument seems to be “sure, Cain’s story is unreal, but politics is unreal, so therefore it’s not a problem.”

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM

The worries about his basic competency were increasingly a concern, but he was seen as a nice guy and engaging. When the news of two $45,000 and $35,000 settlements came out that went directly to the perception of ‘niceness’. Without that personality trait there isn’t much left to Cain’s campaign appeal.

That is my opinion of what happened.

sharrukin on December 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM

Hell, I was concerned about his “basic competency” back in January when Cain announced! He wasn’t my first choice. Or my second. Or my third. But this is what happens when you work within a system purposely designed to push out decent conservative candidates.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM

Maybe Cain is innocent of every accusation. I simply don’t know.

What I would like to know is if Mrs. Cain knew that her husband was providing financial assistance to Ginger White? Whether the $$$ were a little bit or a lot, if Cain did so behind his wife’s back then I have to ask why.

GrannyDee on December 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM

If Cain drops out with is polls higher than Rick Santorum the country is truly lost. After the first 4 primaries and does not win or come anywhere near the top 4, Then it is time to drop and actively campaign for the winner. Not before the first vote or they would have won and the world is lost for a very long time.

tjexcite on December 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM

Gotta wonder…

How many male friends was he giving long-term financial assistance to…

JohnGalt23 on December 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Ouch!

a capella on December 1, 2011 at 3:28 PM

I am a Cain supporter who contributed but who is now on the fence.

My gut tells me that these allegations are not true. The truth always wins in the end. Whatever the truth is, I am praying that it comes out, once and for all so that I can either continue my support or move on.

In my heart of hearts, I believe that Herman Cain will be vindicated. His entire life, reputation and career are on the line. If he says the allegations are false, I trust that they are. If he is lying then shame on him, and me…

Until the truth prevails, I remain on the fence.

Key West Reader on December 1, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Gotta wonder…

How many male friends was he giving long-term financial assistance to…

JohnGalt23 on December 1, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Err, this thread is about Herman Cain. Not Barack Obama.

Key West Reader on December 1, 2011 at 3:35 PM

Good article. Their two largest issues in the coming years are getting out of our financial straits and the Middle East.

Cain has a good idea with 999 to tackle the revenue. As well as cutting the spending. Granted, he’s shaky on FP but the fact that he’s hostile to Islam both as a religion and political state and friendly to Israel is good enough in light of whatever advice he gets from his cabinet. At least he’ll put an end to NASA and the DOD outreach to coddle CAIR et al.

So stay in there, Herman.

AH_C on December 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM

Cain should stay in the fight.
We have been electing career politicians since IKE.
A lot of people here want to do that all over again with electing Romeny (ourbummer-white), Perry, Newt, Huntsman, Santorum (SP) or Paul. For those of you that claim that the office of president is not for on the job training just look at ourbummer. he is a career politician too. Remember ourbummer entered politics in 1996. That’s 15 years he has been in politics.
Is Cain Perfect no. if you want perfection just go back in history and see what happened to the ONLY perfect person there was.
The media and Washington both are against any outsider because it will call into question their position of power. If he runs and wins it will return power back to where it belongs WE THE PEOPLE and not the “ruling class”. Wake up people time to take power back.

ColdWarrior57 on December 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM

GOProud supporting Cain is the kiss of death for his campaign. The evangelicals do not make nice with the alternate lifestyle boyz.

Jazz, you should not have put this person prominently on hotair’s frontpage. It’s as bad as a bimbo eruption.

platypus on December 1, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Until the truth prevails, I remain on the fence.

Key West Reader on December 1, 2011 at 3:34 PM

Enjoy that fence pole up your ass, Key.

gryphon202 on December 1, 2011 at 4:30 PM

GOProud supporting Cain is the kiss of death for his campaign. The evangelicals do not make nice with the alternate lifestyle boyz.

Jazz, you should not have put this person prominently on hotair’s frontpage. It’s as bad as a bimbo eruption.

platypus on December 1, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Of course he gets a GOPRoud endorsement. A man defiantly screaming, I did not have sex with those women, while also living long range from his wife for years at a time…

astonerii on December 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I still support Cain so it’s nice to see an article like this http://mychal-massie.com/premium/ginger-white-another-loser-trying-to-cash-in/ that makes some sense.

bouceback

bounceback on December 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM

He admits that he’s had a 13 year relationship with her where he paid her bills and expenses and that his wife never knew about it. Whether it was physical or not, it was a violation of their marriage, he lied to his wife for 13 years. What would keep him from lying to the American public as POTUS? In fact, he’s already lied to supports when his story about the sexual harrassment allegations changed 5 times.

My husband and I know all of each other’s friends and co-workers, even if it’s just by name. We certainly know where our collective money is going. People with nothing to hide don’t keep a 13 year relationship secret.

Common Sense on December 1, 2011 at 6:42 PM

Ann Coulter seems to sticking up for him.

bounceback on December 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM

ColdWarrior57 on December 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM

I AM taking power back-by not voting for an incompetent ass like Herman Cain.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 1, 2011 at 7:21 PM

Funny, never saw this level of defense for Palin…

ChuckTX on December 1, 2011 at 7:46 PM