Quotes of the day

posted at 10:39 pm on December 1, 2011 by Allahpundit

“The Federal Reserve and other major central banks moved on Wednesday to help foreign banks more easily borrow and lend money, seeking to forestall a breakdown of global financial markets and giving Europe more time to wrestle with its debts. The latest round of interventions by central banks, including the expansion of an existing Fed program that lets foreign banks borrow dollars at a low interest rate, reflects growing concerns that Europe’s financial problems are hampering growth…

“But policy makers and analysts were quick to caution that the Fed’s action did not address the fundamental financial problems threatening the survival of the European currency union. At best, they said, efforts by central banks to ease financial conditions could allow the 17 European Union countries that use the euro sufficient time to agree on a plan for its preservation…

“European leaders, increasingly concerned by a deteriorating financial picture, said Wednesday they were forming a plan to convince markets that the debts of nations like Italy and Greece were not overwhelmingly large and to set new rules to constrain borrowing by euro zone members. They pointed to a scheduled meeting in Brussels on December 8-9 as a looming deadline for those efforts…

“The Fed will now offer money at lower cost to European banks than to American banks, which pay a rate of 0.75 percent at the Fed’s emergency lending discount window. The difference reflects the reality that European banks are in much more trouble.”

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“Mr. Rogoff said, ‘the Europeans can stretch it out a long time, they have the money.’ Nevertheless, he said, they ‘need to take a big step toward economic and political union, whoever wants to be a part of it.’ Germany ‘is right to hold out for systemic changes,’ he said. ‘The Europeans hoped to have 30 to 40 years to integrate more fully. Right now they don’t have 30 to 40 weeks.’…

“‘While treaty change can be a lengthy process, the hope is that the effort will create enough momentum for economic convergence and discipline that will provide the political cover for Germany’s leaders to allow the European Central Bank to step in much more forcibly to defend Italy and Spain and try to stabilize the market.

“But experts say it may already be too late for that plan to work.

“New rules for discipline may help prevent future maladies, but they are a distant cure for the current disease. New disciplinary rules do little to address the structural flaws in the euro zone, where countries of very different economic levels, models and export potentials share the same currency, creating persistent trade and credit imbalances. Structural reforms inside countries, no matter how valuable in the long run, take a long time to work. And austerity alone cannot produce economic growth, which is the main cure for too much debt.”

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“Mario Draghi, the ECB’s president, called on the 17 nations of the euro zone to embrace a new fiscal pact that could see countries effectively forfeit independence over their budgets, and potentially give their neighbors the right to veto national spending and slap penalties on big spenders. If such a pact were struck, he hinted, the bank would be ready to play a bigger role in helping stem the crisis – a move that economists and investors say is neccessary…

“Guntram Wolff, deputy director of the Brussels-based think tank Bruegel, said the many options included a surrendering of independence over national budgets. Such a move could allow for the issuing of regional ‘euro bonds’ — much like U.S. Treasurys — that would ensure ‘if Greece doesn’t pay its bills, then the German taxpayer will.’…

“‘Europe is not a choice; Europe is a necessity,’ [Sarkozy] said. ‘If Europe does not change fast enough, history will be made without Europe.’”

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“The ungenerous interpretation of the Fed’s action goes like this: Everybody knows the jig is up, but lo these many years after the 2008 crisis, trillions in bailouts later, the banks are still in weak shape, we haven’t really reformed our financial rules, there’s insufficient transparency to really know what kind of shape everybody is in, and the world’s biggest banks just got downgraded on Tuesday. We’re buying time and hoping for the best, and giving all our favorite bankers an extra little margin of error to get their acts together before the big kaboom gets heard ’round the world

“But here is what is beyond debate: Europe has not solved its fiscal problems. Europe shows no sign of being on the verge of solving its fiscal problems. Europe shows no sign that it wants to solve its fiscal problems. If Ben Bernanke is having ‘in for a penny, in for a pound’ thoughts, he needs to think again: We do not have the resources to bail out Europe, and nobody has the resources to bail out the United States.”

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“It is said in Europe that only one politician now stands between President Obama and reelection: Angela Merkel. This may overstate Obama’s electoral strength, but it appropriately recognizes the German chancellor’s current influence. The health of the world economy, including our own, increasingly depends on the vision and decisiveness of a cautious German leader…

“For the United States, these developments have the historical feel of the 1910s and the 1930s, transposed to the economic realm. U.S. interests, once again, depend on European events over which we have little control.

“The world economy is coming to grips with a fact it has long attempted to ignore. The European project, as currently constituted, is unstable. Europe will dramatically strengthen its fiscal and political union or it will break into pieces.”

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Via Reason.

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What could go wrong…?

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Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2011 at 10:43 PM

O/T a tad…..
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Live Video: Occupy San Francisco march on Market Street
18 Mins ago.
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http://www.breakingnews.com/
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canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 10:45 PM

The euro was a noble experiment that was doomed from the beginning.

(OT: Senate kills payroll tax cut extension)

John the Libertarian on December 1, 2011 at 10:47 PM

It looks like pre-War(1 and 2) run-up,for Europe!!

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 10:48 PM

Here’s the fundamental question:

What is the difference between what the Socialists of the Democratic National Committee doing are doing here versus what they did over in Europe?

Chip on December 1, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Please help me out here. Wasn’t it a few years ago someone (actor, musician) was bragging about being paid in euros instead of dollars. That they insisted in being paid with euros because they thought that was a better deal for them.

Mirimichi on December 1, 2011 at 10:49 PM

Such a move could allow for the issuing of regional ‘euro bonds’ — much like U.S. Treasurys — that would ensure ‘if Greece doesn’t pay its bills, then the German taxpayer will.’…

There is absolutely no chance the Germans will accept this.

sharrukin on December 1, 2011 at 10:49 PM

(OT: Senate kills payroll tax cut extension)

John the Libertarian on December 1, 2011 at 10:47 PM

John the Libertarian:Correct you are!:)
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Senate rejects extension of payroll tax cut – AP
15 Mins ago
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

If in doubt, double down. That always works, doesn’t it?

RBMN on December 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

What is the difference between what the Socialists of the Democratic National Committee doing are doing here versus what they did over in Europe?

That’s better.

Chip on December 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM

(Shhh… I cheated… I followed your link on SF and saw it there)

John the Libertarian on December 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM

but lo these many years after the 2008 crisis, trillions in bailouts later, the banks are still in weak shape, we haven’t really reformed our financial rules, there’s insufficient transparency to really know what kind of shape everybody is in

….but the same hustlers and thieves that created this mess are somehow still in charge and tasked with fixing it.

Nobody gets fired…nobody goes to jail…..
….just more of sticking it to the working tax payer to bail out this financial 3 card monty.

None of this is going to change until the Timothy Geitner’s and Barny Franks of the world suffer serious consequences for their massive corruption.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM

“We’re buying time and hoping for the best, and giving all our favorite bankers an extra little margin of error to get their acts together before the big kaboom gets heard ’round the world…”

I guess that admitting that the Marxist/Socialist ideology and Liberal Democrat Social Engineering policies don’t work is totally out of the question…

… Oh, well. At least we have enough paper to print another $7.7 Trillion out of thin air.

(This really is happening people, it’s not just a bad “B” movie…)

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Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2011 at 10:59 PM

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Excellent post..:)

PS..Good to see you friend..:)

Dire Straits on December 1, 2011 at 11:01 PM

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM
(Shhh… I cheated… I followed your link on SF and saw it there)

John the Libertarian on December 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM

John the Libertarian:Excellent,crack another window open,and
watch da news roll in…..:)

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 11:04 PM

None of this is going to change until the Timothy Geitner’s and Barny Franks of the world suffer serious consequences for their massive corruption.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 10:57 PM

Baxter Greene:It seems,when,Leftys are in charge,its a
State Of Perpetual Crisis!!:)

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 11:07 PM

PS..Good to see you friend..:)

Dire Straits on December 1, 2011 at 11:01 PM

Good to see you to…..

Hey…..got an extra ticket to the 7/10 show if you want to join us:
http://tour.rogerwaters.com/

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Baxter Greene:It seems,when,Leftys are in charge,its a
State Of Perpetual Crisis!!:)

canopfor on December 1, 2011 at 11:07 PM

So true….

They don’t care that their policies are wrought with failure as long as they can get the taxpayer to bail them out.

Now the free world is in over it’s head and we have leaders here bragging about how great the communist China system is.

At this rate…we’ll have Zimbabwe lecturing us on financial responsibility pretty soon.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 11:16 PM

the euro zone, where countries of very different economic levels, models and export potentials share the same currency

If the dollar is based on some delusional standard of “trust”, what is the euro based on? On what basis could there be any trust, even delusional trust, in such a currency?

Buddahpundit on December 1, 2011 at 11:17 PM

Like any of our current crop have the intestinal fotitude or the political acumin to push through the types of regulatory reforms or the immediate and drastic cuts needed to put this country back on sound financial footing.

AlexJ on December 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

But policy makers and analysts were quick to caution that the Fed’s action did not address the fundamental financial problems threatening the survival of the European currency union just put some more lipstick on the PIIGS and bought a ticket on the Titanic.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 1, 2011 at 11:18 PM

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 11:12 PM

Very tempting offer..Very tempting..:)

PS..I wish we could get the other two originals to do a tour with Waters ..:)

Dire Straits on December 1, 2011 at 11:24 PM

PS..I wish we could get the other two originals to do a tour with Waters ..:)

Dire Straits on December 1, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Yea…
……..seems ridiculous that Waters and Gilmour can’t come to terms after all this time.

They did get together briefly for one song:

http://www.huliq.com/10164/david-gilmour-roger-waters-together-again-wall-live-tour

After pledging his support to band-mate Roger Waters at a benefit concert in 2010, former Pink Floyd lead guitarist and singer-songwriter David Gilmour made good on his promise to perform with Waters, joining the vocalist onstage for a performance of “Comfortably Numb.”

…never know though…maybe Gilmour will get bored and jump on board.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 11:38 PM

“The Fed will now offer money at lower cost to European banks than to American banks, which pay a rate of 0.75 percent at the Fed’s emergency lending discount window. The difference reflects the reality that European banks are in much more trouble.”

So, if I go broke, the bank will give me a favorable interest rate on a gigantic loan…?

I didn’t think so.

trigon on December 1, 2011 at 11:55 PM

At this rate…we’ll have Zimbabwe lecturing us on financial responsibility pretty soon.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 11:16 PM

The entire western world will soon join Zimbabwe with inflation problems.

chemman on December 2, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Is Obama texting Markel at 5 in the morning?

Igor R. on December 2, 2011 at 12:03 AM

…never know though…maybe Gilmour will get bored and jump on board.

Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 11:38 PM

Now that would be cool..Great Bucket List wish..:)

Dire Straits on December 2, 2011 at 12:04 AM

Yeah, we want to be just. like. Europe.

I’m sure the progressive in chief hasn’t changed his mind one bit.

We and Europe are playing with fire and we all can easily be burned alive not long from now.

Speakup on December 2, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Why does HA continue to link to Cramer videos? The man is a hack. He can scream. But when it comes to investment advice, he’s a joke.

angryed on December 2, 2011 at 12:15 AM

Why should my money get inflated away to save Europe which mostly hates us?

AnotherOpinion on December 2, 2011 at 12:16 AM

(OT: Senate kills payroll tax cut extension)

John the Libertarian on December 1, 2011 at 10:47 PM

They’ll do it eventually.

angryed on December 2, 2011 at 12:19 AM

“Mario Draghi, the ECB’s president, called on the 17 nations of the euro zone to embrace a new fiscal pact that could see countries effectively forfeit independence over their budgets, and potentially give their neighbors the right to veto national spending and slap penalties on big spenders.

much like U.S. Treasurys — that would ensure ‘if Greece doesn’t pay its bills, then the German taxpayer will.’…

“It is said in Europe that only one politician now stands between President Obama and reelection: Angela Merkel. This may overstate Obama’s electoral strength, but it appropriately recognizes the German chancellor’s current influence.

Taking an historical view for a sec…

…wouldn’t a more integrated eurozone with eurobonds effectively amount to The Fourth Reich? Merkel succeeding where Bismarch/Wilhelm/Hitler all failed.

Robert_Paulson on December 2, 2011 at 12:23 AM

Why should my money get inflated away to save Europe which mostly hates us?

AnotherOpinion on December 2, 2011 at 12:16 AM

If Europe goes down so does the US banking system. They are vainly trying to prevent a flashback.

sharrukin on December 2, 2011 at 12:23 AM

Yeah, we want to be just. like. Europe.

Speakup on December 2, 2011 at 12:06 AM

No, that’s so last year. /rolls eyes

Now it’s China. The people who effed up our country, at least the D faction, want to be more like China it seems. If Boehner is any indication maybe it’s the R’s that want to be more like Europe.

FloatingRock on December 2, 2011 at 12:34 AM

O/T:Lynch carries Seahawks to 31-14 win over Eagles

………say goodbye to Andy Reid.

Baxter Greene on December 2, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Speakup on December 2, 2011 at 12:06 AM

Of course I’m just kidding about you being wrong.

FloatingRock on December 2, 2011 at 12:41 AM

Merkel succeeding where Bismarch/Wilhelm/Hitler all failed.

Robert_Paulson on December 2, 2011 at 12:23 AM

Also Napoleon, the Habsburgs, Moslems, Charlemagne, and Rome.

pedestrian on December 2, 2011 at 12:48 AM

Interesting..between 2000(October 13,2000) to 2008 (January 25,2000)theres was (28) US Bank Failures,under President Bush,

under Hopey/Changey,

from (Jan. 25 2008) to (Nov 18,2011),the Bank Failures,
are NightMarish!!
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Failed Bank List
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http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 12:49 AM

Eur-Over.

whatcat on December 2, 2011 at 1:03 AM

Intell Alert!
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Pakistan Army chief says his troops have ‘full liberty’ to strike back at NATO attacks – Hindustan Times
1 Hr.ago.
Hot
Update

http://www.breakingnews.com/
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Pak army has liberty to hit back at Nato attacks:
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Kayani Press Trust Of India
Islamabad , December 02, 2011
Last Updated: 09:46 IST(2/12/2011)
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Pakistan/Pak-army-has-liberty-to-hit-back-at-Nato-attacks-Kayani/Article1-776847.aspx

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 1:06 AM

Please help me out here. Wasn’t it a few years ago someone (actor, musician) was bragging about being paid in euros instead of dollars. That they insisted in being paid with euros because they thought that was a better deal for them.

Mirimichi on December 1, 2011 at 10:49 PM


Gisele Bundchen: Pay me in euros not dollars

Axe on December 2, 2011 at 1:12 AM

Why is the fed intervening in the euro? /scratching head

karenhasfreedom on December 2, 2011 at 3:05 AM

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Pakistan/Pak-army-has-liberty-to-hit-back-at-Nato-attacks-Kayani/Article1-776847.aspx

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 1:06 AM

I am beginning to think we would do the world a favor to turn their land into glass.

karenhasfreedom on December 2, 2011 at 3:05 AM

Greece to Germany: Work harder so we can take longer vacations and retire at 45.

France to Germany: Give some more DM to our friends in Greece — we like to vacation there.

US Fed to France: You want free credit? No problemo! We’ll just print some more greenbacks, inflate the hell out of our currency, and have our citizens’ great-great-grandchildren pay it back next century.

Woe is us.

fred5678 on December 2, 2011 at 3:11 AM

O/T,Intell Alert!
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US military spokesman:
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Camp Victory, former headquarters to US military, handed over to Iraq – AP
20 Min.ago
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 3:29 AM

O/T,..Oops,Hopey/Changey pulled a gaffe!!
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Obama Confuses England And Great Britain – Hawaii Is in Asia – Dumb *ss
Added: 13 hours ago Occurred On: Dec-1-2011
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a6b_1322769178

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 4:13 AM

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 1:06 AM
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I am beginning to think we would do the world a favor to turn their land into glass.

karenhasfreedom on December 2, 2011 at 3:05 AM

karenhasfreedom:I’m onboard,as long,as its followed up by a Massive
ICBM Second Strike,just to be extra sure!:)

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 4:16 AM

who put Corzine in charge of the FED?

rob verdi on December 2, 2011 at 5:54 AM

good morning and happy friday!

time to wrap packages and get to mr postman today
:)

cmsinaz on December 2, 2011 at 6:04 AM

canopfor on December 2, 2011 at 3:29 AM

I sure hope this goes well…

cmsinaz on December 2, 2011 at 6:04 AM

ot: morning joe claiming he’s more conservative than newtie…he’s just flabbergasted that folks like newt…

cmsinaz on December 2, 2011 at 6:07 AM

I can’t decide….help me out here.

Economic incompetence of historic nature the Fed and Congress and the Administration using policies that will collapse our dollar, our middle class, private property rights and liberty…….

…….or a deliberate looting of the wealth of America and its middle class to fill the pockets of the global Ruling class?

Mmmmmmm, please help me decide.

PappyD61 on December 2, 2011 at 7:23 AM

Umm, scary times..looking more and more like it can’t be fixed…

tinkerthinker on December 2, 2011 at 7:33 AM

ot: morning joe claiming he’s more conservative than newtie…he’s just flabbergasted that folks like newt…

cmsinaz on December 2, 2011 at 6:07 AM

It is more about not liking Mitt than liking Newt. Mitt is the worse nominee the gop could pick must be why the gop polictal machine likes him.

unseen on December 2, 2011 at 7:51 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/opinion/krugman-killing-the-euro.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Apparently the problem is that Europe isn’t spending enough.
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tomg51 on December 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM

Good point unseen we are tired of then picking our nominee

cmsinaz on December 2, 2011 at 8:03 AM

Force Europe into GREATER Brussels control……..BRILLIANT.

Hey small European countries sucking off the teat of the ECB sow in Brussels. Get ready to say goodbye to your sovereignty. If only Charlemagne had tried a FINANCIAL integration of Europe…..

The Euro Union is a FRENCH AND GERMAN dream come true.

FINALLY after centuries of trying they can finally be in charge of Europe.

PappyD61 on December 2, 2011 at 8:34 AM

First off, this move wasn’t a bailout or loan guarantee, just a little grease at the discount window to ward off panic in the Euro=peon banking sector. Costs us a quarter-point interest on money we never really issue anyway. It’s like giving your empty beer cans to the neighborhood kids so they can learn to pronounce the names of beverages properly – everybody wins!

Europe’s problem is the insane idea that you could have monetary union with nearly twenty different countries with different cultures and economies, yet maintain different sovereign political systems at the same time. Turns out those who said “You can’t do that!” were right.

But Germany and the Netherlands are about the only two on really solid ground on the Continent. France should worry because her banks are so heavily invested in bonds from the countries which are now in trouble.

The Euro is beyond saving as a universal currency for the continent. It may not even last at all. The EU is the dream of most Euro=peon politicians since WWII; it seemed the perfect solution to prevent another war. But now instead of rolling tanks, Germany rolls the banks. I don’t see how it lasts in anything like its present form, though. Belgium will be hardest hit, as Brussels has little else to offer as a reason for its existence.

Adjoran on December 2, 2011 at 11:41 PM