Landslide: Islamists on track to dominate Egyptian parliament
posted at 4:47 pm on December 1, 2011 by Allahpundit
The Journal says the unofficial split is 50 percent for the Muslim Brotherhood and 15 percent for the even more radical Salafists. The Times says it’s more like 40 percent for the Brotherhood and 25 percent for the Salafists. How it breaks out matters a lot, but the official results have been delayed a day (possibly to be “tweaked”?) so we’ll have to wait to game that out. Remember, though, that this first round of voting is happening in the country’s more liberal areas; if the religious parties are doing this well now, wait until the ballot moves to the countryside. Bottom line: A supermajority, or something close to it, of the new Egyptian parliament will be Islamist. Wonderful.
Rod Dreher’s headline: “Attention, Copts: It’s time to pack.”
That victory came at the expense of the liberal parties and youth activists who set off the revolution, affirming their fears that they would be unable to compete with Islamists who emerged from the Mubarak years organized and with an established following. Poorly organized and internally divided, the liberal parties could not compete with Islamists disciplined by decades as the sole opposition to Mr. Mubarak. “We were washed out,” said Shady el-Ghazaly Harb, one of the most politically active of the group…
Egyptian election laws required the Salafi parties to put at least one woman on their electoral roster for each district, but they put the women last on their lists to ensure they would not be elected, and some appear with pictures of flowers in place of their faces on campaign posters.
Sheik Hazem Shouman, an important Salafi leader, recently rushed into a public concert on the campus of Mansoura University to try to persuade the crowd to turn away from the “sinful” performance and go home. He defended his actions on a television talk show, saying he had felt like a doctor making an emergency intervention to save a patient dying of cancer.
Did ideology win the day or was it the Brotherhood’s superior organization, replete with handing out leaflets and even free food to people waiting on line to vote, both in violation of Egyptian law? Organization surely did matter — I flagged it myself in yesterday’s post — but here’s an eye-opening detail from the Journal article linked above. Unlike the Brotherhood, the Salafist party is neither old nor well-organized — and it’s still cleaning up at the polls.
Hard-line Salafi candidates did well against the Brotherhood in conservative towns and cities in the verdant Nile Delta region north of Cairo. The Salafi Nour Party list was neck-and-neck with FJP candidates in the Mediterranean coastal city of Alexandria and the fishing hamlet of Kafr el-Sheikh—both bastions of Brotherhood support before the revolution.
The Salafis’ strong showing throughout the country and in historically Brotherhood-dominated areas is particularly troubling to liberals. Unlike the Muslim Brotherhood, Salafis stayed away from politics before the revolution.
Hard not to conclude from that that the Brotherhood would have had a clear majority if not for the Salafists being on the ballot. (As noted up top, they may end up with a majority anyway.) What sorts of consequences will flow from their surprisingly strong showing? Well, for starters, the fact that the Islamist parties have a heavy majority in parliament will probably make it harder for the Egyptian army to control the government. If the vote had split evenly among five or six different parties, the military could claim that Egypt still needs “supervision” while parliament sorts itself out. As it is, you’ve got a huge mandate for rule by the Koran-thumpers. I say “probably,” though, because now that the liberals and Copts are likely locked out of power, they might be more amenable to military rule than they were last week. That would make for a dangerous standoff — the majority against the army plus key minority factions — but maybe that’s where we’re headed.
Next, despite how well the Brotherhood did, they’re bound to feel pressure from the fact that an upstart party like the Salafists did much better than expected, including/especially in MB strongholds. If the Nour party is this strong now, how strong will they be in five years after they’ve improved their organization and have Saudi money rolling in? Meanwhile, the Brotherhood is apparently splintering between the old guard and the new; needless to say, they deeper that split, the more the Salafists will benefit. The obvious move is for the MB is to go even more full metal Islamist than they were planning to in order to win back some of those Salafist voters. What that means for the Camp David accords, especially if/when the Salafists start to demagogue the issue in earnest, no one knows. On the other hand, while the Salafists’ showing presents a problem for the MB domestically, it’s a huge opportunity for them internationally. Now they can sell themselves to the west as the “good Islamists,” the last democratic line of defense against the hardcore nutjobs who will set the region on fire if given the chance. In other words, they’ll be to the Salafists what Mubarak was to them — an awful option made palatable by the fact that its likeliest replacement is even worse. No doubt the “foreign aid,” i.e. billion-dollar bribes, will flow freely to keep them fat, rich, happy, and entrenched and the Salafists safely marginalized. Who knows? If the price is right, maybe they can even be swayed into forming a coalition with the liberal parties instead of the Salafists. Meet the new boss, etc.
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Its like the Russian Revolution Redux.
Lawdawg86 on December 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM
recipe for civil war
rob verdi on December 1, 2011 at 4:50 PM
I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!
Laura in Maryland on December 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Given the freedom to choose, muslems will always choose the slavery of islam.
Always.
Rebar on December 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM
But remember, people who didn’t want to remove Mubarak because the status quo was safer are just freedom-hating right wingers.
Good Solid B-Plus on December 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM
I gotta give Obama some credit for this.
forest on December 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM
Thank you President Obama
-crr6
This is Carter and the Iranian Revolution all over again. Obama has indeed made Carter look good.
jawkneemusic on December 1, 2011 at 4:52 PM
So, when do they get around to blowing up the Great Pyramids, a la the Bamiyan Buddhas?
Christien on December 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Claude Rains says Bonjour.
Del Dolemonte on December 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM
Yup.
rbj on December 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM
The Jihadis only have to hold on long enough to fully consolidate their power, including turning or getting rid of certain key military officers, and Egypt will be another Iran; a sad nation of sham elections where the mullahs magically get elected every time.
It’s time for the Copts to leave? Bah, it’s time for every democracy-supporting Egyptian to leave, taking every woman who doesn’t want to live as chattel along for the ride.
Bishop on December 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM
Oh I remember. There was quite an argument going on at HA when this all started. I don’t remember who said what, but it’s time for some people around here to admit they were wrong.
stefanite on December 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM
Curse of the Dummy gets ‘em every time.
Christien on December 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM
I suppose their first move will be to appoint a bunch of tsars. I hear it’s the latest thing in good governance.
a capella on December 1, 2011 at 5:00 PM
Joker: “Those…live rounds?”
Pyle: “Seven-six-two millimeters. Full…Metal…Islamist.”
Joker: “Yusuf…if al-Islam comes in here and catches us, we’ll both be in a world of ****.”
Pyle: “I AM…in a world…of ****!”
Good Solid B-Plus on December 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM
So the Muslim Brotherhood are the moderates in Egypt?
I guess they only want to publically whip unchaste women while the Salafi Nour folks want public executions?
I hear the heavy approaching footsteps of war in all his terrible splendor.
sharrukin on December 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Why it’s almost as if the Brotherhood took some lessons from the democrat party in the US. What are the chances of that?
Skandia Recluse on December 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Wonderful. An Islamist regime armed with American F-16′s and M-1 tanks.
Mark1971 on December 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM
And right on cue thousands of muslims attacked Coptic Christian communities today murdering the Copts and burning their buildings.
tommyboy on December 1, 2011 at 5:05 PM
Just as Barack wanted. Now, if they can control the Suez canal…
SouthernGent on December 1, 2011 at 5:16 PM
This is actually what obama had in mind. He has to be congratulated. The middle east will be a big cess pool.
Knew a wonderful coptic gentleman/couple, and he was born on the 4th of July. He is now gone, but I believe he still has a daughter and some grandchildren in the middle east. I hope they are safe and can get out of the country. Of curse knowing obama, he probably won’t let them in.
G-d bless!
Bambi on December 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM
of curse, whoops, of course. But on the other hand, maybe curse is the right word after all.
Bambi on December 1, 2011 at 5:20 PM
Conservative pundits who accurately predicted what’s happening now were called fascists, dictator supporters, etc.
Now mention Egypt to the average Leftist and here’s the response you will get: absolute silence.
This is why it’s hard to respect many Libs. They don’t really seem to care about real, flesh and blood human beings. They only care about patting themselves on the back and morally “one-uping” conservatives and non-Leftists. Hundreds of years of recent history are not relevant or to be considered in their quest for Social Justice. Poor and less fortunate get the shaft along the way, as usual.
visions on December 1, 2011 at 5:21 PM
Winter is coming.
John_Locke on December 1, 2011 at 5:22 PM
Not to pat myself on the back or anything, but I hate it when I’m right.
NotCoach on December 1, 2011 at 5:25 PM
Obama must be thrilled. Best Christmas he ever had to suffer through. Let the inquisition begin.
pat on December 1, 2011 at 5:26 PM
All because Barry gave that Cairo speech…
Christien on December 1, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Shares of companies that make black cloth are waaaaaaay up.
Ward Cleaver on December 1, 2011 at 5:42 PM
OK:
Raise your hand if this development is a surprise to you.
LegendHasIt on December 1, 2011 at 5:43 PM
At this point, I don’t care what the countries in the Middle
East are doing. If they don’t want democracy and vote extremists into office, then let them live with the consequences.
My grandmother had a saying: “Charity begins at home”. We need to quit giving them money; likewise quit sending our military over there to blow up the place then rebuild with our tax dollars. Its
time to spend OUR money on OUR country!
We need to spend money on the best military our money can buy; then bomb the crap out of them if they start trouble
with either us or our allies. If we have the best defense and
the willingness to use our offense, they will cower in a corner.
They can either play nice or be bombed out of existance. Their
choice.
Amjean on December 1, 2011 at 5:55 PM
Fifty percent of calories imported, three months of cash left…..political parties won’t matter all that much very shortly.
cthulhu on December 1, 2011 at 5:57 PM
What could go wrong…?
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Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2011 at 6:02 PM
I’ll admit I was more hopeful things would be different. But my bigger concern about continuing to prop up Mubarak was that he had no intention of ever truly cracking down on the Islamists – throughout his rule, his tactic was always to crush any democratic or secular opposition, all the while allowing the Islamists to grow stronger, deflecting all of their rage away from him and onto the west.
During the cold war, our hand was sort of forced in that if we didn’t back these regimes, the Soviets would. The moment the USSR collapsed, we should have pulled the plug on Mubarak.
Mubarak could not have lasted forever. The longer he stayed in power, the worse the inevitable Islamic takeover would be when he fell. Better to pull the plug on him now, rather than wait for him to collapse on his own ten years or so when the situation is even worse. And yes, as bad as it sounds, things can always get worse – general rule of life.
RINO in Name Only on December 1, 2011 at 6:09 PM
I realize some people were making that argument. I don’t believe (at least I hope not) that I was one of them. I do think that as a rule of thumb, it is better in the long run to support democratic movements even when the immediate result is dangerous. But it’s hardly an unreasonable thing to consider keeping the despot around to hold the crazies in line.
RINO in Name Only on December 1, 2011 at 6:14 PM
Jimmy Carter only created one nation full of nutbag religious zealots. Barack Obama is on track for two, and who knows… maybe they’ll have their whole caliphate before he’s done.
Murf76 on December 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM
Heh! Allah, you are such a political junkie. There is no right or left of center in evil. After this farce is complete, you will see no more elections in Egypt. Sweet sharia shall rule and there will be the peace of Islam for all.
BL@KBIRD on December 1, 2011 at 6:18 PM
I was in Egypt in January when the revolution began and have been back twice since. The people with whom I work are very pro western and scared to death that the Islamists will take over. Looks like their fears have come true. I am going back to Cairo on Dec 11, I’ll probably get a pretty good read on what’s going on. Most of the people I work with actually liked Mubarak believe it or not, but the part of Cairo to which I go benefited greatly from his largesse. I’ll try and keep in touch with what is going on and let you all know. I have a long term commitment there
hip shot on December 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM
This “Islamist” nonsense is getting beyond ridiculous. It is embarrassing. Break free from your PC chains. It is Islam and Muslims. You don’t get 65% for some fringe that has hijacked the religion of peace.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM
You may not know, but pretty much everyone else with open eyes does.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 1, 2011 at 7:29 PM
I saw John McCain’s and Marco Rubio’s hands go up.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 1, 2011 at 7:32 PM
They will get plenty of food. It will go on your grandkid’s credit card.
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM
And under our occupation of Iraq 2/3 of the Christians were ethnically cleansed by the Muslims we supported. American, which is supposedly a majority Christian nation, stands silent. How many so called Christian ministers have even raised the subject?
InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on December 1, 2011 at 7:38 PM
The Arab spring that may lead to a nuclear winter… Change!
BobScuba on December 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM
Barack Al-Gomer Pyle Hussein Obama is surprised… surprised… surprised!
profitsbeard on December 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM
“Islamist” refers to both violent Muslims, and the ones who want Islam to dominate politics. Why you would want to broaden the group of people we oppose to include the many other people who call themselves Muslims is beyond me. Is it just some kind of inherent dickishness?
RINO in Name Only on December 1, 2011 at 8:17 PM
Roughly 80-90% of Egyptians have been documented for decades as anti-Western fundamentalists. The CIA and State knew this going in.
elfman on December 1, 2011 at 8:23 PM
About the same majority of Southern Iraqi Shiites were Sadr supporters in 2004-2005. He and his Mahdi Army took control in the South and then had to govern. The economy and infrastructure collapsed, and his is support evaporated. I don’t know if conditions are similar in Egypt, but I suspect they are. I do know that Egypt’s GDP has taken a huge dump since the revolution and is being propped up by Saudi Arabia. They’re good for a few billion, but unlikely to fill Egypt’s financial gap indefinitely. This could still end well.
elfman on December 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM
About 90% of Egyptian Muslim females undergo genital mutilation, because of their culture. What did we expect to happen when these people were allowed to vote? I suppose that a sane person would expect that women would rise in revolt if given the vote.
SC.Charlie on December 1, 2011 at 8:46 PM
Like abused dogs, abused people usually pass it down to the next generation rather than revolt.
elfman on December 1, 2011 at 8:51 PM
If I were a Muslim woman yearning to be free it would seem to me that there are plenty of husbands available in China. I if China would be open to the idea since it would help solve one of their problems, too. Maybe if all the women actually up and left Islamic countries then perhaps the remaining men will either have to kill that bad guys and make their “civilization” more appealing to women.
FloatingRock on December 1, 2011 at 10:51 PM
ALLAHPUNDIT: “Meet the new boss, etc.”
What I want to hear is the part where we won’t get fooled again.
No amount of democracy and majority rule will turn populations like these into our friends. Not in their countries. Not in our countries.
We need an un-aggressive foreign policy, zero jizya “aid” to the Muslim world, zero Muslim immigration into Western countries, zero tolerance for sharia in our lands, and no more politically correct nonsense about the Religion of Peace.
Then, if they leave us alone, good, and if they don’t, more rubble, less trouble. No nation building.
David Blue on December 2, 2011 at 2:28 AM
Trust me, the real torture for Cassandra was when the people she’d tried to warn ran full tilt into the disaster.
I’ve been declaiming about this since a couple days after it appeared Mubarak was going down. I put two and two together. Demographically the biggest few Egyptian cities may be moderately open and slightly Muslim In Name Only. The countryside outnumbers the city dwellers and are VERY primitively devout Muslims circumcising their women and all that barbarism. The Islamists taking over was and is a foregone conclusion. Thank our POTUS for this. He was taught at such a tender age he cannot shake it that he MUST, as a non-Muslim, defer to Muslims at all costs. So he is.
{^_^}
herself on December 2, 2011 at 4:48 AM
Chalk another one up for Obama! Obama turned a blind eye to the uprisings in Iran, refusing to support their call for a regime change there, but he did not hesitate to throw Egypt’s Mubarak under the proverbial bus as quickly as he could. Once Mubarak was out, Obama went on to demand Egypt hold elections as quickly as possible and declared the Muslim Brotherhood should be part of Egypt’s future, giving credibility to the Islamic Terrorist-tied organization! By demanding elections hapen quickly, the Muslim Brotherhood held the edge because they had been and were already the best organized group in Egypt at the time. The quick election did not allow any others to adequately organize. In the vaccuum, of course, the Muslim Brotherhood has filled the void.
Obama already dragged the US into the middle of a Libyan civil war between Al ’9/11′ Qaeda and the dictator Qaddafi. In doing so, Obama ended up being guilty of violating the Constitution and the War Powers Act,and the result was Al Qaeda obtaining their own new country, under which they plan to rule under Sharia Law. And Libya’s arsenal of weapons are now in the hands of terrorists in Gaza and egypt, to include biological weapons! Woohoo…
So, Let’s Recap:
Iran: Islamic Extremist Nation – Obama: No Action
Egypt: Obama helps convert to Islamic Extremist Nation
Libya: Obama helps convert to Islamic Extremist Nation
Iraq: Biden is declaring (like the Libs have all along) now that Iraq is NOT an American victory, Obama ensures no deal is struck with Iraqi Leadership, and Obama orders total US abandonment to the Iranian Spec Ops we alreay know is working in Iraq and waiting for us to leave so they can fully go after them to make them a puppet state.
US: Obama has added over $4 Trillion in 3 years, collapsed the economy, bankrupted us, and is attempting to transition the US from freedom to socialism (redistribution of wealth, government mandated purchases/health care, etc…)
We are less safe now after 9/11, thanks to Obama than we were BEFORE 9/11!
easyt65 on December 2, 2011 at 8:41 AM