Former SEIU president just gaga over China’s economic model
posted at 2:45 pm on December 1, 2011 by Jazz Shaw
This is one of those articles which I need to preface with a bit of clarification. You are about to read something involving an editorial written by former SEIU President Andy Stern. Now, I realize that a lot of my published material here runs to the snarky, sarcastic, parody style of writing. I frequently use absurd exaggerations of people’s positions and statements to drive home a point. This is not the case here. This is an actual article appearing in the Wall Street Journal, not edited in any way. (The snark will come later.)
Moving on. Andy Stern has a keen eye for success. And following a tried and true pattern, he likes to observe the world around him and see what useful lessons might be gleaned and applied to our benefit here at home. With that in mind, he notes that the economic model of China seems to be working out pretty well, and perhaps we mean old capitalists might learn a thing or two from the rising, global powerhouse.
As this was happening, I was part of a U.S.-China dialogue—a trip organized by the China-United States Exchange Foundation and the Center for American Progress—with high-ranking Chinese government officials, both past and present. For me, the tension resulting from the chorus of American criticism paled in significance compared to reading the emerging outline of China’s 12th five-year plan. The aims: a 7% annual economic growth rate; a $640 billion investment in renewable energy; construction of six million homes; and expanding next-generation IT, clean-energy vehicles, biotechnology, high-end manufacturing and environmental protection—all while promoting social equity and rural development…
As Andy Grove so presciently articulated in the July 1, 2010, issue of Businessweek, the economies of China, Singapore, Germany, Brazil and India have demonstrated “that a plan for job creation must be the number-one objective of state economic policy; and that the government must play a strategic role in setting the priorities and arraying the forces of organization necessary to achieve this goal.”
The conservative-preferred, free-market fundamentalist, shareholder-only model—so successful in the 20th century—is being thrown onto the trash heap of history in the 21st century. In an era when countries need to become economic teams, Team USA’s results—a jobless decade, 30 years of flat median wages, a trade deficit, a shrinking middle class and phenomenal gains in wealth but only for the top 1%—are pathetic.
This should motivate leaders to rethink, rather than double down on an empirically failing free-market extremism. As painful and humbling as it may be, America needs to do what a once-dominant business or sports team would do when the tide turns: study the ingredients of its competitors’ success.
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You know, Andy just may be on to something here. Our economy is a mess and China is clearly ascendent. We just might have something to learn from the Chinese model. For example, the hard working, productive middle to lower class is all you really need to keep the widget bins filled. You don’t actually need an upper class of wealthy individuals. They just tend to get all pushy and demanding of luxuries and such. So what if we – just for the sake of argument – seized all of their wealth, used that to pay down a portion of the debt, and sent them all on to more productive lives working in oil fields in the Gulf?
And now that I come to think of it, there’s a huge population of relatively non-producing folks hanging around. They are generally comprised of the elderly, the sick, and the very poor. They eat up a lot of resources, run up huge bills in entitlement programs and contribute almost nothing. So what if – again.. just for argument’s sake – we rounded them all up, put them to productive work building prisons, then locked them in those prisons, and held them until we found some ailing, rich Europeans in need of an organ transplant? Then we just begin checking for matching “donors” and charge premium fees for the parts. We could have this national debt problem licked in under a decade, I tell ya!
Implementation could be a problem, but given time, I’m sure Andy will come up with something that will work. It’s time to start the Draft Andy 2012 movement. Sign on now!









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Combined with the Cuban healthcare system there no telling what we can accomplish!!!!
tomg51 on December 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM
Blah blah blah National Communism is better than freedom.. blah blah
So what is he advocating exactly?
He doesn’t mention anything specific besides his admiration for a National model of Socialism, is that what he wants?
Chip on December 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM
To the surprise of…?
SuperCool on December 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Does china have union thugs? Or just thugs there!
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letget on December 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Does this dipshit realize that unions are banned in China?
haner on December 1, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Do Unions realize they are part of the problem?
Oil Can on December 1, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Oh those democrats and their slavery, it’s a long standing tradition you see.
abobo on December 1, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Enemy of the Republic.
CPT. Charles on December 1, 2011 at 2:53 PM
OT: Seattle bans “Buy American” ad for its buses
ConservativePartyNow on December 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Hey they’re also busy hiding nuclear weapons in tunnels:
I wonder why they’re doing that?
Chip on December 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Andy Stern: Slavery sure seems to get a lot of stuff done.
Meric1837 on December 1, 2011 at 2:55 PM
No problem…
… but, give the money back for the Government take over of the car companies first.
Seven Percent Solution on December 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM
When he unionizes the workers in Chinese prisons, then I’ll be impressed.
RBMN on December 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Can we consider this a terrorist action by Stern and detain him indefinitely?
Kini on December 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Obama agrees.
Fallon on December 1, 2011 at 3:00 PM
Anyone ever notice that Communist, Socialist and Progressive countries are consider by the Left to be Worker’s paradises until the truth of their being third-world cesspools can’t be hidden any longer?
Then the Left suddenly disavows said Nations as not being Socialist?
Chip on December 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM
In another time UNION officials actually supported worker rights in communist countries, now Union leaders want to be the Communist leaders.
rob verdi on December 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM
… and exactly how many unions (and union members) are there in China ?
J_Crater on December 1, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Andy Stern = Pure. Evil.
UltimateBob on December 1, 2011 at 3:02 PM
A modern day Walter Duranty, John Reed, and Lincoln Steffens, all rolled up into one nice modern day commie b*stard!
Gothguy on December 1, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Joe McCarthy was just a few years early. But, he was right.
BobMbx on December 1, 2011 at 3:06 PM
We haven’t had a true Free Market in this country for decades thanks to the kind of policies that Andy Stern likes.
ptcamn on December 1, 2011 at 3:07 PM
So when is Andy moving to China?
GarandFan on December 1, 2011 at 3:08 PM
Looks like somebody is not “sharing the wealth” in Union Boys Utopia.
….but hey…leave it to a democrat to praise oppressive regimes and brag about making about $200.00 a month as a great business model for the future.
But I guess you don’t need a lot of money when your communist government controls your life to the extent that they ration how many children you can have.
How Progressive!!!!
Baxter Greene on December 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM
Isn’t it curious that the Left keeps on trying stop people from talking about various forms of socialism?
Either by branding talk of Communism as McCarthyism or discussions about Socialism as violating Godwin’s rule…..
Chip on December 1, 2011 at 3:11 PM
You’re looking too closely.
If you step back, and look at the BIG PICTURE, you’ll see that everyone in China is a member of the same union.
The Chinese union leadership has achieved what every other union in the world wants….to get rid of management and run the place as they see fit. They establish the work rules, the pay scales, what products will be produced and how many per day, the price of goods or services, benefit plans, etc.
Collective Bargaining Agreements aren’t necessary. There’s no one to bargain with.
BobMbx on December 1, 2011 at 3:11 PM
To save typing, but still make sure I post to this thread…instant “mittplay”!
KMC1 on December 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM
Obama, The Democrats, Progressives
Speakup on December 1, 2011 at 3:13 PM
You longer have to scratch a union boss to find a commie
gwelf on December 1, 2011 at 3:15 PM
I will never fully understand people like Andy Stern any more fully than I will understand schizophrenics and/or your garden variety psychotics. It’s a disease, mutation, crossed wires, organic brain damage due to copious ingestion of chemicals since youth, congenital birth defect, or some other thing that I will never fully and completely comprehend. I just accept them as fellow human-beings along with accepting the fact that they have limited to no self control, limited to no ability to reason within reality (sans powerful mind altering corrective medications), and that they can sometimes be very dangerous to the general public at large when the voices in their heads tell them to do things, and they do them.
FlatFoot on December 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM
We all have the Chinese model … only we call it the US Postal Service.
kregg on December 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM
China started going gangbusters when Deng Xiaoping declared “to get rich is glorious” and lessened state controls. Same thing happened with India. And Singapore very much breaks down barriers to entrepreneurs.
rbj on December 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Andy is on to something here. Payroll is the biggest operating expense for a business. Reduce them by ninety percent and we’ll be getting to where Andy obviously wants to go.
a capella on December 1, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Meanwhile, El Presidente Downgrade wants to “Spread the Wealth around” and says that at some point “You’ve made enough money”.
Is there any question as to who is going in the wrong direction?
Chip on December 1, 2011 at 3:23 PM
I would be happy to buy him airfare, if he will agree to live there and not come back. Ever.
Workers there at the iPad factory were so happy stuck inside the building they began jumping off the roof to commit suicide. Then the factory owners built a fence on the roof. Now they cannot kill themselves to escape.
Yeah there’s a model for ya.
dogsoldier on December 1, 2011 at 3:25 PM
This clown would love to have the Cultural Revolution here in America. He probably day dreams about parading people around in dunce caps.
Hummer53 on December 1, 2011 at 3:29 PM
You know. If an Ivy League Poli Sci retard writes this down and calls it policy, it automatically happens.
Really!
MNHawk on December 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Haha, I guess it’s a problem with my perspective.
Everyone who isn’t a government official (they call them “public servants” there) or a crony capitalist gets the shaft in China.
Home prices in China have gone up 10% every month in the last couple of years, outpacing salary growth by about 10 times. If you’re a hard working person who gets a salary, you have no chance in China.
The government conficates farmers’ lands and compensates the farmers at the agricultural production value of their land (fraction of pennies on the dollar), and then sells it to the developers for the urban going rate (about as much as a major US city). The developers then pour some sub-par concrete and rebar to make massive concrete apartment blocks that would make the Soviets blush in its dystopia, and sell it to Chinese salarymen who are forced to buy a house that costs 30 times his salary. Why are the Chinese forced to buy it? Because school districts are tied to permanent residency, which is achieved through home purchases.
There is your Chinese economic miracle (and your Australian and Canadian boom due to raw resources export to China). What an Orwellian nightmare.
haner on December 1, 2011 at 3:34 PM
“Progress”- Always beware of any U.S.-based non-governmental organization with this word in its name. You can bet the ranch they don’t like free markets very much, and genuine (as opposed to “People’s”) democracy even less.
“12th five-year plan“- You may notice that the goals of every Five-Year Plan have something in common; whatever they are, the People’s Republic of China somehow never seems to achieve them. In fact, this set of goals was recycled from the last two Five-Year Plans, and they weren’t even new objectives then.
As for “promoting social equity and rural development”, they’ve been trying to do that since Mao seized power in 1948-49. Mostly at bayonet point. So far, it doesn’t seem to be working, except in the sense that “social equity” is when everyone other than the leadership is equally poor- and equally likely to end up dead if they dare to question their leaders’ “wisdom”.
I can see why Stern likes this idea. He gets to lord it over everyone else and feel good about himself in doing so- because it’s all about “social equity”.
Dilbert‘s creator, Scott Adams, was not quite correct in saying that “there is nothing more dangerous than a resourceful idiot”. That sort is in second place behind delusional people with political power. Andy Stern being a case in point.
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eon on December 1, 2011 at 3:36 PM
Commies stick together …
tarpon on December 1, 2011 at 3:37 PM
i bet, if the US government would get out of the way and allow for capitalism and free markets, the system would find a way out of the recession and we’d see a recovery. and success.
it may not be the perfect system, but it is the best one to date. over regulation, over manipulation, government hacks, and guys like Stern.. who, ironically enough, without the success of the system they hate so much wouldn’t be in the position they are. or be able to have the ideas they have.
rplath on December 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM
Good ol Andy Stern. He’s a Corzine fan too.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/treasury-secretary-jon-corzine
“After all, when was the last time that a potential nominee for the Treasury post was being talked up by the head of the Service Employees International Union. On Thursday, Andy Stern told reporters he thought the governor’s strong economic credentials and government experience make Corzine an appealing prospect. Stern’s right.”
DWB on December 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM
What’s the saying? You can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps? There’s no moral difference between a communist or a Nazi sympathizer. President Obama actually looks up to this creep.
RobertE on December 1, 2011 at 3:49 PM
The title says
. What Stern really likes is the Chinese political model. Just as in George Orwell’s book Animal Farm, where the leaders of the proletariat revolution (the pigs) get all the perks, the Chinese political leaders are now seeing their children (known as Princelings) become rich beyond all reason. Andy is a typical socialist/collectivist who will look forward to his family and friends becoming “more equal” than the common people. He’s no doubt realizing those kinds of perks with a life style supported on the backs of the common man laboring in the work-a-day jobs of groups affiliated with his union. The sad thing is that SEIU types believe the clap-trap he spews to their own disadvantage. Stern knows socialism doesn’t work but it will probably be good for his personal wealth and comfort.
His a WSJ article on the Chinese “Princelings”.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904491704576572552793150470.html?KEYWORDS=chinese+political+children
stefano1 on December 1, 2011 at 3:50 PM
Andy Stern would not have lasted through the “Cultural Revolution”
J_Crater on December 1, 2011 at 3:55 PM
I think the Wall Street Journal accepted this tripe for publication to show what an idiot Stern is.
Vince on December 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM
That’s the thing – there is no difference between a Socialist and a Communist.
Just ask one of our august denizens of the Left around here – they won’t be able to articulate any meaningful differences between the two.
Chip on December 1, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Just bringing this from the headlines story. Worth repeating.
either orr on December 1, 2011 at 4:08 PM
Given the demonstrated corruption and incompetence of our elite, clearly the first thing we must do before trying to follow the China model is liquidate them as a class. They must be driven from power and influence, and cast into the outer darkness. A solar farm in New Mexico, perhaps.
LarryD on December 1, 2011 at 4:20 PM
China has 271 Billionaires (counted in US Dollars).
China has more than a million millionaires (counted in US Dollars).
Has that 1% vs 99% thing working in China???
albill on December 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM
There aren’t any unions in China, are there?
Steven Den Beste on December 1, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Google “China’s environmental record” and see what you find.
Go to Beijing in the summer, you will not see the sun because of the smog.
There are entire rivers and huge estuaries in China that have been destroyed by industrial plants dumping chemicals and contaminated wastewater.
The only reason China is investing in alternative energy is because they can’t buy all of tht world’s coal and oil and they need power for their heavily polluting factories to run on.
rockmom on December 1, 2011 at 4:28 PM
Oh, and BTW Andy, ask anybody in the financial markets about that 7% growth plan for China. They will laugh long and hard. China is actually already in the second year of a housing bust and its economy is rapidly cooling off.
rockmom on December 1, 2011 at 4:31 PM
Hey Andy, just keep humpin’ that chicken. I work in an industry where less than 10 years ago just about everyone (except for me) moved their manufacturing to China. Well, they’ve had their fill and are moving on to other countries. Some of these companies are bringing back manufacturing to the states, but many are on to other countries like Brazil, Vietnam and Singapore.
Wages and property values in China have risen enough to make it less attractive to do business there. On top of that manufacturers have had quality issues. At one time that wasn’t a big deal. You’d order several cargo containers of a product and you’d throw 20% in the garbage. The cost savings were so good that even a large rate of defects was acceptable, but now you have to throw in high transportation charges due to increased fuel prices into the mix. Add to all these problems an overbearing government and local corruption (i.e. bribes for most government officials) and it’s increasingly not worth it.
Heck, even Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) has opened production facilities for iPhone and iPad in Brazil. They have not closed down mainland production, but they are investing in one million robots to replace assembly line workers.
ReaganWasRight on December 1, 2011 at 4:41 PM
“It would be so much easier to be the President of China.”
Mallard T. Drake on December 1, 2011 at 4:46 PM
Translation: Authoritarianism rules!
Hard Right on December 1, 2011 at 5:11 PM
More Proof that:
“Birds of a Feather Flock Together”
landlines on December 1, 2011 at 5:19 PM
He thinks that China is the “Ultimate Union“…complete with authoritarian rule and nuclear weapons!!!
landlines on December 1, 2011 at 5:21 PM
Query: Can a person believe in God and the Chinese Economic Model?
BigAlSouth on December 1, 2011 at 5:58 PM
I think you are being generous; I think they are possessed by evil.
And you are being wayyy too generous. People like this day dream about parading people around in blind folds to a wall for firing squads.
pannw on December 1, 2011 at 6:32 PM
It is my observation, based on direct experience, that if our progressive betters were to actually go to China and talk with the people the would be horrified.
If they were not shot first.
enginemike on December 1, 2011 at 6:43 PM
Which is worse (more dire) for the future of America?
people like Andy Stern being a regular at the White House?
the person in the Oval Office being a suited media savvy Marxist?
a Congressional “opposition” that is in bed with the same big government loving interests?
a Obama Mistress media printing stories that puff up Obama and work 25/7 at destroying any Conservative alternative?
or the Fed looting the American Middle class to save their rich banker friends and cohorts?
Nothing to see here America, no collapse of the dollar being engineered, no loss of Constitutional liberty and freedom, no loss of the value of your home, no slavery waiting for you to a new Global governance.
Go back to your soccer games and ballet practice. Yawwwwwwn.
PappyD61 on December 1, 2011 at 7:47 PM
In my estimation, Obama and his minions are reincarnated Nazis. I make a case for that in http://www.reincar-nation.com in the Obama Circle section. In fact, I think Stern is the reincarnation of Kurt
Deluege. If that’s true, consider how it would affect their value system now.
NNtrancer on December 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM
I’m bettin’ that Andy would rather China be here,than he be there.
soundingboard on December 2, 2011 at 2:16 AM
What makes you think China has no uber-rich capitalists of its own?
They just do what is natural when you have a lot of money and are not inclined to waste it on banks. They start up more businesses, not necessarily related to each other. You have a problem with a toy being developed at one of your companies and need some engineering talent involved? The owner simply sends you over to another of his companies with the talent. Nevertheless, the companies operate independently most of the time. China of the mid-2000s reminded my partner of the 50s in America from the look of things springing up all over the place. It had that anticipation and energy we all had in the 50s. (Yes, I am dating myself. But why stop working just because you got old enough to camp out on uncle Sam?) He had exactly the experience I mentioned earlier. The owner was by no means merely “middle class”. He was, however, involved.
{^_^}
herself on December 2, 2011 at 4:36 AM
FIFY!
dominigan on December 2, 2011 at 8:05 AM