Video from a Ron Paul supporter: Romney and Gingrich are “flip” and “flop”

posted at 1:45 pm on November 30, 2011 by Tina Korbe

It takes just one run-through to recognize that this video was not made by an official campaign — not because the production values are low (they’re really, really not), but because it’s somehow fun to watch. And it is that even though it points out inconsistencies in the two GOP frontrunners — inconsistencies I’d really rather not think about! The background music surely has a lot to do with the smile I wore as I viewed the video; it’s set to the Muppets’ “Mahna Mahnam” song. But I also love the colorful overlays, the consistent designs and the way it mostly makes use of primary sources — quotes that came directly from the candidates themselves.

Make no mistake: It’s an attack video that could just as easily have come from the Democratic National Committee as from a supporter of a GOP candidate. It’s not above cheap shots, either. It references Newt Gingrich’s affairs, for example — a relatively untouched subject this election cycle. (I predict, though, that it will become a more prominent topic of discussion as the Cain campaign struggles to overcome allegations of sexual harassment and adultery. Gingrich is no better, Cain supporters will say. Why is he at the top of the polls right now?)

With just one quote from Ron Paul — and a brief screen shot of “Ron Paul 2012″ at the end of the video — this piece somehow does exactly what it’s intended to do … reminds viewers that Paul, of all the GOP candidates, has arguably been the most consistent in his views. If only those views were consistently conservative!


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Romney and Gingrich are “flip” and “flop”

Love the headline, can’t wait to find out which is which.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:47 PM

Glenn Beck ripped Ron Paul today for his 400 million in pork barrel spending. Ron Just hides the pork in bills and then votes agains them when he’s sure they will pass so he can have it both ways.

Yes. I said GLENN BECK.

NickDeringer on November 30, 2011 at 1:49 PM

It references Newt Gingrich’s affairs

That’s not a cheap shot. The character of the man is one of the most important factors, IMO.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Paul with his 70ish lifetime ACU rating to Newts over 90 rating says it all.

Paul is a coward, thats about the only thing he’s consistent at. His idol, Murray Rothbard(Anarchist), was where the need for “Consistency” came from. Rothbard was so paranoid he did not vote for fear of Conscription.

They don’t beleive in Limited Government, to them thats not “consistent” philosophy.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

If only those views were consistently conservative!

Yeah, and not totally bats–t f–king loco. Sadly, they are.

apollyonbob on November 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

That’s not a cheap shot. The character of the man is one of the most important factors, IMO.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:50 PM

Yeah, and Ron Paul is by far the most dishonorable disgrace running.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Tina’s in the tank for RuPaul!!!1111!!!!

Tina, how does it feel to be an anti-Semite, anti-American pothead?

MeatHeadinCA on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

One flips, the other flops and both are supposedly leading the field. Go figure.

Fallon on November 30, 2011 at 1:21 PM

Oh sheesh. I guess it’s an obvious retort but for poster RedBeansAndRice, or something, I want to go on the record as NOT being in Paul’s camp.

Fallon on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Spathi is just getting the lotion on…

… he should be here in just a few minutes.

/

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

And Ron Paul is both bats**t and crazy.

Red Cloud on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Paul, of all the GOP candidates, has arguably been the most consistent in his views.

Consistently crazy. This guy lives to make the GOP look bad.

Scrappy on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Glenn Beck ripped Ron Paul today for his 400 million in pork barrel spending. Ron Just hides the pork in bills and then votes agains them when he’s sure they will pass so he can have it both ways.

Yes. I said GLENN BECK.

NickDeringer on November 30, 2011 at 1:49 PM

Ron Paul is consistent in his pork.

The last 2yrs the GOP has had a moritorium on Pork spending…Paul is one of only 4 GOP house members who defy that and continue to load up on pork.

Consistent.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Paul with his 70ish lifetime ACU rating to Newts over 90 rating says it all.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

Good, I’m not looking for another representative of the GOP establishment.

Great video, by the way.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:55 PM

On the subject of campaign video’s, here is a 5 minute one of a R running. It is really funny, well done, and great, IMO.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gop-senate-candidate-releases-spoof-ad-obama-was-separated-at-birth/
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letget on November 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

And Ron Paul is both bats**t and crazy.

Red Cloud on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

But is still better than Flip and Flop.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

We would all have to start learning Mandarin if Paul got the nomination.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

But is still better than Flip and Flop.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

You’d rather go with a candidate that won’t change his position on something even when he’s wrong? Good luck.

Red Cloud on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

I think that people who are so good at lying they actually have fake personalities that they use to gain power are “bats**t crazy”.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Somebody ought to do a video with bat guano and everybody’s “favorite” Libertari…er, “Republican”.

Steve Eggleston on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

You’d rather go with a candidate that won’t change his position on something even when he’s wrong? Good luck.

Red Cloud on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

No, I would rather vote for the candidate that will put a stop to the generational theft being perpetrated by both parties.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

predictable Tina now perusing supporter videos to support her meme. OMG, can this election get over with already so we can all remember who represents the real threat to this nation.

gatorboy on November 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

But is still better than Flip and Flop.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 1:56 PM

so….why would you want to seriously support a candidate that is 1) Not a Conservative or Classical Liberal, 2) would in a National campaign quickly and easily be labeled a Racist, Conspiratorial Nutcase with Zero record of accomplishments?

Do you desire to lose a 50 State Landslide to Obama and hand him a Political mandate for Socialism? That is all his candidacy represents.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

We would all have to start learning Mandarin if Paul got the nomination.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Only those of you on the Left Coast. The Southwest would need to learn Spanish, the East Coast Arabic (soon to be the official language of Europe) and Alaska Russian. </sarcasm?>

Steve Eggleston on November 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

This is the the opposite of the “shooting the messenger” phenomenon – when you shoot the guy because you don’t like the message. In the case of neocons and other social conservatives, they don’t like the guy, so they shoot the message. lol.

keep the change on November 30, 2011 at 2:00 PM

We would all have to start learning Mandarin if Paul got the nomination.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

after a week or so of Dem/MSM exposes on Paul and his history, most of us would be organizing a new political party.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:00 PM

While I don’t agree with Ron Paul on anything other than economics, he does have a point here. Whether you agree with Paul or not, he does have core principles which he sticks to 95% of the time (pork for his home district being the primary exception.

Mitt jumps all over the board and Newt is for sale to the highest bidder. Callista is no raving beauty, but she sure isn’t low maintenence.

bw222 on November 30, 2011 at 2:02 PM

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Why would I want to stop generational theft? Because they’re selling out my future. They’re selling the country I love down the river to buy votes. The votes they’re buying are from a voting block that is much bigger than mine, and they control the media and government already. Frankly I don’t have much hope left.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM

so….why would you want to seriously support a candidate that is 1) Not a Conservative or Classical Liberal, 2) would in a National campaign quickly and easily be labeled a Racist, Conspiratorial Nutcase with Zero record of accomplishments?

Do you desire to lose a 50 State Landslide to Obama and hand him a Political mandate for Socialism? That is all his candidacy represents.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM

Dude, you do realize that Mitt Romney was a member as an adult of a racist organization that did not allow blacks in their membership?

Right?

So, we’ll see how that goes in the general.

tetriskid on November 30, 2011 at 2:07 PM

That was a good ad and made its point well. Kind of depressing given the choices involved. Romney, Newt, or crazy uncle Paul.

sharrukin on November 30, 2011 at 2:07 PM

The only hope I have is to wake people up to what is going on and try to jump start them to get them off of the status quo, D or R.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:07 PM

bw222 on November 30, 2011 at 2:02 PM

Paul has never, ever Governed or lead anything. Anyone can be one of 535 and, with no responsibility or care for actually governing and working with opponents(over the old way of war).

Mitt Governed a Blue State
Newt Ran Congress while Clinton had Whitehouse and Dems congress(some).

Newt still is a More Consistent Conservative than Paul and Paul’s Leftist beliefs.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Newt still is a More Consistent Conservative than Paul and Paul’s Leftist beliefs.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM

I’m curious, how are you defining leftist?

Rangeley on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Ron Paul is a fiscal phony.

Hard Right on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Paul has never, ever Governed or lead anything.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM

And that’s why our country is so Effed up, the lunatics have been in charge of the asylum for so long.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Why would I want to stop generational theft? Because they’re selling out my future. They’re selling the country I love down the river to buy votes. The votes they’re buying are from a voting block that is much bigger than mine, and they control the media and government already. Frankly I don’t have much hope left.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:06 PM

You realize Paul’s $400 Million in Pork is doing exactly the above right?

the simple facts of our system of Government is you need today around 60 million or more Americans to vote for you to gain the Presidency. Then you still need the Senate and Congress and to extent the Media to sell your policies to correct anything.

So if you are truly concerned and ready to ditch the System the Founders created, not placing absolute power in any one person(Voters are essentialy the Kings)….you should be talking some sort of armed Rebellion and overthrow of the Government fully prepared to institute Martial Law and put down the uprisings in our inner cities and elsewhere.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

This is all we need to know, who is going to absolutely win…

Gingrich attracting 45% of the vote while President Obama earns support from 43%.

right2bright on November 30, 2011 at 2:13 PM

I’m curious, how are you defining leftist?

Rangeley on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Paul has a much more liberal voting record in Congress than Newt.

That said, Paul is an Anarcho-Capitalist….not a Conservative and not a Classical Liberal, in fact they reject Classical Liberalism outright. Read about his idol, Murray Rothbard which Goldwater, Buckley and company blackballed out of the Conservative movement.

His views on Social and Foreign Policy AND Macro-Economics are Utopian and were birthed out of the same movement as the Marxist. Two sides of the same Utopian coin, the big difference is they place raw individualism as god instead of governement, both are wrong, both Utopian.

Note how the Far-Left and the Anarcho-Capitalist have the exact same Foreign Policy beliefs.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:15 PM

And that’s why our country is so Effed up, the lunatics have been in charge of the asylum for so long.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

Obama never led anything either, so I guess that is why we were so effed up, but are in such great condition now.
The point being, if you are not a leader, than you are not presidential material, at least have that in your background.
If you were fighting a war, would you choose a Lt. who had never seen combat to lead the war?…yeah, you probably would.

right2bright on November 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM

You realize Paul’s $400 Million in Pork is doing exactly the above right?

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:12 PM

That’s trivial compared to the rest of the candidates many problems.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:18 PM

Anarcho-Capitalism is basically one giant Logical Fallacy and Category Error which refuses to ever admit being wrong and simply re-writes history and facts to meet its ideology.

they take what is mostly Classical Liberal view of Micro-Economic philosophy, and apply it across every single Category and area of Life.

Paul being the political face of this, qualifies it on the national stage in Federalism to try and not sound as extreme as his clique really is. He always argues against Government, because they believe Limited Government is limited Tyranny and ‘Inconsistent” in and of itself.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:19 PM

I would be more impressed if whomever made the video attacked Obowma…

… but apparently Ron Paul supporters just can’t grasp that concept.

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM

right2bright on November 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM

Bush ran a state and he effed up too.

The problem isn’t the level of experience, it’s the kind of experience, it’s the establishment experience. We need somebody like Ron Paul to help the American people change the establishment so that we can take our freedom and liberty back so that we can have prosperity again.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:10 PM

You also realize good old Herr Doktor has been part of that asylum for over two decades?

He’s just like the rest.

catmman on November 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Obama never led anything either, so I guess that is why we were so effed up, but are in such great condition now.

and Notice how now that Obama is Governing and facing Reality…he is not implementing the many Utopian leftist policies he previously had. Particularly where he and Paul agree so much: Foreign Policy and National Security. Obama is straight out of the ACLU Left Paul is allied with.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Paul has a much more liberal voting record in Congress than Newt.

Well this still isn’t defining “leftist” or “liberal.” What criteria did they use to make this assessment? Sometimes they base their assessment on how well you tow the party line – ie, if you vote against a Republican budget because there is too much spending in it, you are on record as voting against a Republican initiative and therefore sometimes considered more “liberal” by some.

Additionally, there are issues like gay marriage, for instance, where there might be federal legislation proposed to ban it. You might think this is cut and dry: a vote for makes you more conservative, a vote against makes you more liberal, but the reason he would vote against this (believing it is an issue for the states) is very different than the reason a democrat might (wanting federal legislation legalizing it).

Its not always cut and dry and I’m sure you know this, so how exactly are you defining “leftist?”

Rangeley on November 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

The title of the video is “Who can you trust?”

The answer isn’t Ron Paul.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 2:21 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM

Cuz Paul voters are, for the most part, Obama voters.

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Advocating against the establishment with an establishment guy, huh?

lol…

catmman on November 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

This is Rothbard explaining his rejection of Classical Liberalism for Anarchism. he was asked why the Social Contract was a rationale for Limited Government:

“why can’t society also agree to have a government build steel mills and have price controls and whatever? At that point I realized that the laissez-faire position is terribly inconsistent, and I either had to go on to anarchism or become a statist.”

- Murray Rothbard

Logical Fallacies abound.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM

We would all have to start learning Mandarin if Paul got the nomination.

Punchenko on November 30, 2011 at 1:57 PM

Actually, it’s just the opposite. Ron Paul is the only candidate with a plan to balance the budget – and he does it by year 3 of his administration. All the other candidates plan to allow the deficit to continue to explode, and so give China ever-greater power over us, as they hold our debt.

Under Pres. Gingrich or Romney, you’d do well to learn Mandarin, since China will be in a position to dictate policy to us. If we displease them, it will be within their power to destroy our currency.

Our debt is the number one threat to our national security, and Ron Paul is the only one with a plan to address that threat.

Inkblots on November 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM

Seven Percent Solution on November 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM

We need to attack ALL of the bad guys, irrespective of Party, since both parties are guilty of many of the same offenses.

FloatingRock on November 30, 2011 at 2:24 PM

What criteria did they use to make this assessment?

I went on to explain it what I mean. Anarcho-Capitalism is more Leftist than it is conservative, the overlap is on Micro-Economics only.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Tina, see what you’ve done? Your lovefest for RuPaul has brought jp out of the cave. I’m slipping due to the frothy saliva everywhere.

MeatHeadinCA on November 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM

lorien1973 on November 30, 2011 at 2:22 PM

Don’t be silly. Paul voters are, for the most part, believers in balanced budgets and Constitutionally limited government.

I still find it amazing that, in this moment of fiscal crisis, so many self-identified “conservatives” can support candidates with NO plan to balance the budget, when there’s a candidate with a specific plan to balance it before the end of his first term.

Inkblots on November 30, 2011 at 2:29 PM

I went on to explain it what I mean. Anarcho-Capitalism is more Leftist than it is conservative, the overlap is on Micro-Economics only.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Firstly, you didn’t explain how anarcho-capitalism would be considered leftist. Do you believe it entails a large government that regulates the economy, and this is why you call it leftist? Is it because its utopic – and you believe all utopic ideas are inherently leftist (and thus leftist = utopic?) I’m still curious about how you define “leftist,” you have used this label so it is important to know just how you are using it.

Secondly, Ron Paul is not an anarcho-capitalist, as any anarcho-capitalist could tell you. The overlap you talk about is telling: there is of course some overlap, as there probably is with you and most people (especially people who favor the free market!), but this overlap doesn’t make one an adherent to the whole system of beliefs they hold.

Rangeley on November 30, 2011 at 2:35 PM

Non-sequitur
Non-sequitur
Ad-hominem
Non-sequitur

…Therefore, (one last ad-hominem for good measure) Ron Paul is a bad cabdidate.

Am i doing this right?

ReformedAndDangerous on November 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM

My Paul supporting friends have been taking shots are the GOP front-runners all along, but recently have started to sing the praises of Huntsman in comparrison.

myrenovations on November 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM

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Mahna Mahna

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Spathi on November 30, 2011 at 2:55 PM

didnt this guy quit the republican party back when reagan was president cause he was unhappy w/ reagan? who’s the jackhat that let him back in?

chasdal on November 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Consistently crazy. This guy lives to make the GOP look bad.

Scrappy on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

Yeah, because GOP has been so good to this country. :/ And he makes the left look just as silly.

didnt this guy quit the republican party back when reagan was president cause he was unhappy w/ reagan? who’s the jackhat that let him back in?

chasdal on November 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Ron Paul was on the Reagan bandwagon in ’76 when it wasn’t cool to be a Reagan supporter. He then stated that he didn’t favor Reagan late in his Presidency because government spending was outrageously high under him. (which it was.)

Notorious GOP on November 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM

didnt this guy quit the republican party back when reagan was president cause he was unhappy w/ reagan? who’s the jackhat that let him back in?

chasdal on November 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Paul left the party in 1988 to run as an independent against GHW Bush, as he thought Bush was no conservative. As it turned out, he was correct (“no new taxes”, indeed).

Inkblots on November 30, 2011 at 3:01 PM

Consistently crazy. This guy lives to make the GOP look bad.

Scrappy on November 30, 2011 at 1:54 PM

No, the GOP did that all by itself by nominating McShame in 2008 and is about to do it again with Romney.

nazo311 on November 30, 2011 at 4:01 PM

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

I’d really like to be able to support RP. But he’s a certified loon.

Splashman on November 30, 2011 at 4:07 PM

Your lovefest for RuPaul has brought jp out of the cave. I’m slipping due to the frothy saliva everywhere.

MeatHeadinCA on November 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Well, it’s frothy… but it ain’t saliva!!

Google Santorum.

JohnGalt23 on November 30, 2011 at 4:10 PM

jp on November 30, 2011 at 2:15 PM

You realize in a true communist society there is no government, right? Just like in an ancap society, there’s no government. The huge difference between the two is that ancaps value individual sovereignty and the in the other, private property is superseded by cooperative ownership. Don’t talk about political philosophies unless you know what they stand for.

And on the subject of conservative vs. liberal, we have to realize that the definitions have been widely distorted by the media and the current 2 party system. It’s been pushed that Republican is conservative and Democrat is liberal, and that’s simply not true. For example, opposition to the War on Drugs would be a conservative view (small government, let the people decide for themselves) while support would be a liberal view. Yet, Republicans have largely been supporting the war on drugs while some Democrats have been opposing it. I could go on but, this has gotten long enough.

gyrmnix on November 30, 2011 at 4:24 PM

chasdal on November 30, 2011 at 2:56 PM

Ron Paul left the Republican party in ’84 due to Reagan’s increased spending. He ran for president in ’88 on the Libertarian ticket (with Andre Marrou).

Funny enough, when he ran for congress in ’96, it was Gingrich (et al.) supporting the Democrat (who just turned Republican) Laughlin. As you can see, Gingrich lost.

gyrmnix on November 30, 2011 at 4:36 PM

myrenovations on November 30, 2011 at 2:51 PM

Ya know-the only other candidate my husband’s Ronulan friend likes(notice-I didn’t say that the Ronulan was my friend)is Jerry Huntsman.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 30, 2011 at 4:59 PM

Spathi on November 30, 2011 at 2:55 PM

I’d vote for a Muppet.
My Cubbies will win the WS in 5 before I vote for Herr Paul.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM

We need Palin as the nominee

ChuckTX on November 30, 2011 at 6:10 PM

We need Palin as the nominee

ChuckTX on November 30, 2011 at 6:10 PM

Palin ain’t running-thankfully-move on already.

annoyinglittletwerp on November 30, 2011 at 6:18 PM

Yeah, and Ron Paul is by far the most dishonorable disgrace running.

jp on November 30, 2011 at 1:53 PM

WOW! I like all of the information you have to support that claim! What is dishonorable about Ron Paul? You, my friend, are an ignoramus.

RightXBrigade on November 30, 2011 at 8:15 PM

I. Am. Amazed.

There is so MUCH misinformation being spread here about Paul that I don’t even know where to start.

From the “pork” going to his district, all the way to the deep-seated racism in his heart!

I have read this site daily for nearly five years. Granted, I used to believe the same things that some of you knuckleheads do about having faith in the Republican Party, but HELL! Even I never sounded this asinine.

Good God!

(no offense, God.)

bmowell on December 1, 2011 at 2:33 AM

Pay attention to what Glenn Beck says. Don’t ever bother to go fully explore Paul’s actual reasons from his own mouth and writings.

Just let somebody else hand you your opinion.

It sure worked well for me during my establishment-loving days.

bmowell on December 1, 2011 at 2:37 AM